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Taka - 29 Jun 2009 15:53 GMT
http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/
Ron Peterson - 29 Jun 2009 22:03 GMT
> http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/

When Ray Peat says:
"It has been over ten years since I wrote about "AIDS" (e.g.,
"Repairing the Immune System," in Cofactors in AIDS and HIV infection,
edited by R.R. Watson, l989) and the official doctrine that it is
caused by the "HIV" virus still hasn't been supported by anything that
resembles real science."

we can see that his ideas are in opposition to the medical
establishment.

--
  Ron
montygraham - 29 Jun 2009 23:51 GMT
Yes, Ron, if you want to be anointed, "Master of the Obvious," you
have my vote.  Cancer was supposed to be cured by 1980 and a vaccine
for "HIV" was supposed to be available by the mid to late 1980s.  And
on, and on.  If that is what your notion of "science" leads to, you
can keep it.  Just note that nobody that I know (including Peat) is
suggesting that the evidence is somehow not "real," but instead that
it has been misinterpreted.  I have made offers to put my own money
(if I am wrong) do the kinds of experiments that would demonstrate
once and for all what claim is correct (such as the "EFA" notion) but
nobody, including you, has taken me up on any of these offers.
Zaphod - 13 Jul 2009 22:38 GMT
> Yes, Ron, if you want to be anointed, "Master of the Obvious," you have
> my vote.  Cancer was supposed to be cured by 1980 and a vaccine for
> "HIV" was supposed to be available by the mid to late 1980s.  And on,
> and on.  If that is what your notion of "science" leads to, you can keep
> it.  

That's one heck of a straw man argument.  I did my undergrad biochem work
during this era and frankly these assertions on your part are just plain
wrong.  I am not aware of any reputable scientists making this kind of
claim.  Perhaps "futurists" or fund raising organisations were using this
kind of talk for PR purposes.

> Just note that nobody that I know (including Peat) is suggesting
> that the evidence is somehow not "real," but instead that it has been
> misinterpreted.  I have made offers to put my own money (if I am wrong)
> do the kinds of experiments that would demonstrate once and for all what
> claim is correct (such as the "EFA" notion) but nobody, including you,
> has taken me up on any of these offers.

This is a much more rational argument, but of course a better argument
would be to analyze current data and then propose a specific experiment
to test any hypotheses you may have.
montygraham - 29 Jun 2009 23:55 GMT
Yes, Ron, if you want to be anointed, "Master of the Obvious," you
have my vote.  Cancer was supposed to be cured by 1980 and a vaccine
for "HIV" was supposed to be available by the mid to late 1980s.  And
on, and on.  If that is what your notion of "science" leads to, you
can keep it.  Just note that nobody that I know (including Peat) is
suggesting that the evidence is somehow not "real," but instead that
it has been misinterpreted.  I have made offers to put my own money
(if I am wrong) do the kinds of experiments that would demonstrate
once and for all what claim is correct (such as the "EFA" notion) but
nobody, including you, has taken me up on any of these offers.
 
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