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Medical Forum / General / General / February 2007Is Dr. Chung Really wrong?
Hello, Pls never ever consider me as biased, egoistic and favour to one inspite his much responses to my posts. It is indicated in general that GOD is omnipresent and omniscient, I consider and treat everything and being accordingly or as a modified versin of GOD. So nothing can be biased and favouratism. As looks to me, Dr.Chung post for sake of simplicity and for practical practicings, comparatively persiting and more clear aspects with lesser possible adversities in view of science is not yet absolute and final. Most may indicate consitent to "current understandings" but these may not be consistent, absolute nd final as yet. About involvement of sprituals an religions, these also exist in mass and well distributed people al over the world, so can't be irrelavant abosolutely unless all following these are stupid or ignorrant or guliable. In healing, one may not deny involvement of energy and matter. As such, whether such a mass contradictionis are just a fault, ignorance, stupidity, ego or pro-non consistent, non-absolute and incomplete understandings. Pls guide be accordingly truely with pure heart/brain, unbiased and unegoistic. Sorry, If hurt ego of anyone. Best Wishes. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Best Wishes. Translation? Anyone? >> Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Translation? Anyone? Not me! It started out weird and then it just got really ugly, although I'm sure the poster has good intentions, perhaps I am simply not tuned in, it is nearly 1:30am and I've been up since 5. > > Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Translation? Anyone? How Dr. Andrew B. Chung is wrong as being contradicted here too much? [if you are new to these groups please ignore this topic or read all topics] >> > Hello, >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > How Dr. Andrew B. Chung is wrong as being contradicted here too much? Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as for his religious beliefs, people have clearly stated that they are not interesting in hearing what he has to say, so one has to question his mental stability given the fact that most Christians, as pious as they may be, would have left a long time ago and taken their message elsewhere. > >> > Hello, > >> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > stability given the fact that most Christians, as pious as they may be, > would have left a long time ago and taken their message elsewhere. You may try understanding myself and Dr. Chung.Though looks bit odd, but how his advices and sayings are deviating from truth? > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > "Kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message Chung is Chung and his **medical advice is questionable at best, as > for his **religious beliefs, Are *above absolute (free from imperfection) and final or atleast consistent for prolonged time on which people are trying to express absolutely? Can't above be questionable and changed or discontinued with time and new research? Absolutes and complete can be consider as perfect, true and final. Every other thing can be questionable, changed, reversed or discontinued. We do speculate on many understandings which are not yet become absolute and final...so those can be doubtful. Basing on those aspect which looks not un-true, simple to follow, and non-harming may not be wrong otherwise every other aspect can just be trying/ researching with any possibility. >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as > for his religious beliefs<<<<<<<<<<< So, if he was a plumber then being a Christian would somehow make him a lousy plumber? Or if he was a cook his cooking would be inferior too? Be cross with him for being a Christian by all means, but the qualification he's passed to become a doctor is the same for Christians and non-Christians alike. _Your_ government and medical governing bodies have set a standard of competency to practice medicine. If you are not happy with this standard, or feel that in some way being Christian affects a doctor's ability to practice, then you should raise your concerns with your politicians and medical governing body. However, being a Christian simply means that he will have had 'additional and on going training in practicing to God's standards, ethics, morality, human relationships, compassion and so forth. So, many people consider that the standard he has reached (to become a doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine. A less tolerant person may have taken a number of people in these newsgroups to court by now. Even a Christian is protected by the law you know. In Christ's love Carol T > >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey > > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T That's quite a valid point: being Christian has no bearing on one's proficiency as a doctor. You are entirely correct. Now, let me you ask you, if I may, your opinion on the appropriateness -- either from a Christian viewpoint or from a medical one -- of advising someone: Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you. [1] Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both from a theological and a cardiological perspective. You? -- cary [1] http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14974ef5841a9a12?dmode=sou rce&hl=en > > >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey > > > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > [1] http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14974ef5841a9a12?dmode=sou rce&hl=en This was not advice but instead a factual statement. > Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both > from a theological and a cardiological perspective. Truth is unsettling for the untruthful. > You? The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ appreciate prayers on our behalf made in our LORD's name. > -- cary Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com On Feb 21, 2:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > sister CarolT <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If there was a ANY way to contact the local state Mediacl board to point out how your religion has clouded reasonable judgement I would. No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they think people die from alack of prayer, I could only hope they would revoke your pratice, so you will never EVER harm anyone with your crazy a.s ideas and beliefs. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > sister CarolT <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > If there was a ANY way to contact the local state Mediacl board to > point out how your religion has clouded reasonable judgement I would. Christianity is not a religion but a relation with the risen Christ Jesus. > No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they > think people die from alack of prayer Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying. "The wages of sin is death." -- Holy Spirit. Amen. >, I could only hope they would > revoke your pratice Without the LORD, your hope is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). >, so you will never EVER harm anyone with your > crazy a.s ideas and beliefs. The mortal wound you have is self-inflicted. Truth is simple. This victory belongs to the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp Reverently fear GOD and dread nothing (especially death) that is of this world: http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ so much more, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > sister CarolT <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying. Well then, as you do not sin, you needn't make any funeral arrangements. -- cary On 22 Feb., 09:34, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > sister CarolT <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying. OK, until now, I thought you were amusing. Now, you're plain repulsive. You mean that children, women, civilians who die in Iraq BECAUSE OF AMERICANS are dying because of their sins? Read this, bastard: I hope you soon die from a horrible disease that makes you suffer a lot. We'll see if you prayers help you. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > OK, until now, I thought you were amusing. This is not the time for amusement. > Now, you're plain repulsive. You mean that children, women, civilians > who die in Iraq BECAUSE OF AMERICANS are dying because of their sins? No. As soon as sin entered into this world through Adam and Eve, this world and its inhabitants have been accursed. This was immediately evident when Cain slew Abel. > Read this, bastard: Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp > I hope you soon die from a horrible disease that > makes you suffer a lot. Without the LORD, your hopes are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > We'll see if you prayers help you. It is GOD, Who helps me. It has been the intercessory prayers of the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ that keep you from horrible disease that would rot your flesh from your bones. In my ever closer walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well and ever hungrier (healthier) for HIS righteousness. Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! ! All the signs are in place that HE is returning soon: http://tinyurl.com/2dngg2 Yes, the New Yorker issue with this account of plans to bomb Iran will be the 03.04.07 issue which is the day after the total lunar eclipse of 03.03.07 when the moon will turn blood red possibly as per the prophetic vision of Apostle John as given in Revelation 6. Suggested reading: Revelation 03:03 - 07 Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > >Andrew <>< Dr. Chung, listen man. You're a smart dude. You've got a high IQ. But something happened in your life that caused you to become totally whacked out. Trust me, dude. You really really need to see a shrink. Please? On Feb 24, 11:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote: > This is not the time for amusement. Don't sell yourself short, Andy -- your posts are VERY amusing. > On Feb 24, 11:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote: >> This is not the time for amusement. > > Don't sell yourself short, Andy -- your posts are VERY amusing. yea,dont stop now andy,i cant stop laughing! > On Feb 21, 2:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > revoke your pratice, so you will never EVER harm anyone with your > crazy a.s ideas and beliefs. There is. His license is from the state of Georgia...  SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken >>>>>>>> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they > think people die from alack of prayer,t -<<<<<<< I don't think you have any idea how many doctors and doctors-to-be stand in churches on Sundays saying prayers. It seems that they believe in divine intervention and that prayers keep people alive too. In Christ's love Carol T On Feb 22, 1:17 pm, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they > > think people die from alack of prayer,t -<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T Most don't, thank f.ck. > On Feb 22, 1:17 pm, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Most don't, thank f.ck. Well we have found out Pastor Kutchie's God... Host. >>>>>>>>> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they >> think people die from alack of prayer,t -<<<<<<< > > I don't think you have any idea how many doctors and doctors-to-be > stand in churches on Sundays saying prayers. It seems that they > believe in divine intervention and that prayers keep people alive too. Who gives a crap what they believe? The evidence proves otherwise. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 >>>>>>>>> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they >> think people die from alack of prayer,t -<<<<<<< > >I don't think you have any idea how many doctors and doctors-to-be >stand in churches on Sundays saying prayers. It seems that they >believe in divine intervention and that prayers keep people alive too. That's not the same as what Chung is saying. Chung's saying that only his prayers are keeping healthy people (who are not his patients) alive. This is completely wack from both a scientific and a spiritual perspective. Charlotte (born-again, tithing, church-going Christian, and yes, there are MDs, nurses, and pre-meds in my congregation) -- On Feb 21, 5:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > sister CarolT <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Truth is unsettling for the untruthful. They're the words of a 19th century voodoo priest, not a 21st century medical professional. convicted neighbor Haskell wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > sister CarolT <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > They're the words of a 19th century voodoo priest, not a > 21st century medical professional. Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay You may possibly only have until 03.03.07 to make this wise choice before the world as you know it is destroyed: "Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 03:03) Amen. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed: >convicted neighbor Haskell wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >will not know at what time I will come to you." -- LORD Jesus Christ >(Revelation 03:03) "may possibly" -- what weasel words. SignatureSupreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco "To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert > "may possibly" -- what weasel words. just like his stupid buybull-he as well does not COMMIT! > Subject: Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The self-embarrassing behavior > of those convicted by the Holy Spirit. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > This was not advice but instead a factual statement. No, that's evidence of mental illness... SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken >> Subject: Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The self-embarrassing >> behavior [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > No, that's evidence of mental illness... Holy crap, he's totally around the bend. Wow. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 >>> Subject: Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The self-embarrassing >>> behavior [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Holy crap, he's totally around the bend. Wow. Oh he's gone around the bend so many times, he's lapped himself... SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side." - Celsus (2nd century C.E.) >>>>>>>>> Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you. [1]<<<<<<<< Dear Cary, I always know when people have stopped praying for me, I think just as Jesus must have known it was time for Him to die. In the same way Andrew and other Christians know when they are being prayed for. I even know when people are actually praying or distracted by, say, the washing up. A prayer for a non Christian is like taking someone's hand, walking them along the road towards God and presenting them. Perhaps a little like stewarding people towards the Lord's table for a feast. >>>>> Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both from a theological and a cardiological perspective. You?<<<<<<<, No, it's a pronouncement that the caring and compassion for your soul (the spiritual side of yourself, that side which breathed life into you) has ended. It's not unsettling for a Christian at all; there are times when we have to concede that someone would rather go towards Hell because they have made an active choice to be with the antichrist. I know the length of Andrew's prayer list, just as I know the true value of each and every prayer. You see, the burden and the cross is this weight of your life, well being and soul brought before God. Do you expect Andrew to stop praying for you? Even some of the most ardent opponents of Christianity are disturbed at the proposal that they have put themselves beyond a prayer of salvation. Even the Devil's own advocates have more than their fair share of prayers and know that they do. Consider the man who sinks to the lowest pit in despair, who calls the loudest against God because he feels that he is not being heard, really his soul is calling out for prayers to those who truly care because of Christ. Medically it's not relevant as Andrew has chosen as his partner in healing the man who gave up His life for us, God's only Son, The Lord Jesus Christ. He is above 'all' things in heaven and on earth. If you know nothing else about Andrew, you will always know that he has been humbled before the Lord Jesus Christ and therefore is strengthened by him too. Personally I would thank Andrew for his prayer list if he is praying for you, at least you know at least one humbled person has a God whom he knows beyond all doubt is 'more' than he is. In this world today that is an honor with no comparison as there are far too few God fearing men in this world fueling their own egos. What I find a smidge bit troubling is that one sentence "Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you." it tells me a great deal about the state of the soul of the individual who is in need of the prayer as Andrew will have said it with malice, he is too much in fear of God to do such a thing. Therefore things must be dire, spiritual death must be imminent and certainly physical death will follow very soon after this. Our flesh does not follow the soul to its place of eternity. God Bless Carol T Sorry Andrew, I did of course over edit, I meant that you would have said it 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice. In Christ's love Carol T > Sorry Andrew, I did of course over edit, I meant that you would have > said it 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice. The joy that is in the heart of my soul as I read what the Holy Spirit had guided you to write makes perfect all that is imperfect in this world :-) Let us continue to pray for our dear friends and neighbors who have been convicted by HIM: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ so much more, dear sister Carol whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in HIS amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com your both god damn fruit cakes. SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST MOTHER f.ckers! On 22 Feb, 01:22, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote: >>>> your both god damn fruit cakes.<<<< Dear Sir, You have such an unholy disposition reflecting into our world, the foulness is from within yourself not others and it is defiling you. Your choice to leave it in a public place simply reflects a lack of care for this world and the children in it. What ever it is that is causing you to be distressed or depressed, or filling you with despair and darkness may it be resolved soon for the sake of your own health and others. In Christ's love Carol T On Feb 22, 1:07 pm, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22 Feb, 01:22, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T The foulness is in the dishonesty and arrogance of those who worship the corpse-on-a-stick, pretend it's reality and judge others according to whether or not they are similarly deluded. > On 22 Feb, 01:22, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" > <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T f.ck off you stupid brain dead c.nt. GO SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST! > On 22 Feb, 01:22, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" > <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T Pure nonsense! His side is the back side. > On 22 Feb, 01:22, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" > <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and darkness may it be resolved soon for the sake of your own health > and others. Oh, my f.cking goodness. Wave your embroidered hanky at him and maybe he'll go away. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > your both god damn fruit cakes. > > SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST MOTHER f.ckers! Lol. At least you can come up with a different put-down you brain-dead Atheist. whatajoke. H. >> your both god damn fruit cakes. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >KEEP IT UP HOST-YOU WILL BE MY NEXT TARGET. GO SUCK YOUR DEAD GOD'S COCK. IS THAT BETTER YA BRAIN DEAD LOONY TOON? On Feb 21, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: some of his usual gibberish Then Her side is the left side? I didn't know who got which side of the bed was sex segregated. Hatter > On Feb 21, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Then Her side is the left side? I didn't know who got which side of > the bed was sex segregated. I always thought the side closest to the bedroom door was the "Her" side. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > ps.com> <1172104492.217959.263130@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1172105775.325317.120730@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1172163131.111613.52270@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> > X-Trace: individual.net WjJrWGCTROt/9Huvm+RqFwU3YiK2oIxvaLyIN8WqhAA2LoqYeg [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I always thought the side closest to the bedroom door was the "Her" side. In my bedroom it's the side which has the cat stairs. -- cary > > On Feb 21, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > > <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BAAWA Knight! > #1557 Opposite in my house. She's afraid of ghosts coming up the stairs. She realizes her irrationalness, but it still makes it hard for her to sleep. Hatter >> > On Feb 21, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >> > <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > realizes her irrationalness, but it still makes it hard for her to > sleep. Hmmm, interesting. Then again, I won't do laundry at night when I've been watching horror movies. I mean, I know there's nothing bad in the basement besides the nasty dump my cat just took in the litter box, but I still get a bad case of the heebie jeebies ;) I'd heard that most women slept by the bedroom door as they're usually the ones that get up in the middle of the night when their children call out. Then again, I slept on that side long before I had a husband or child. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - She hates my basement too. Considers it "creepy" and apparently some poeple agree with her. I'm not exactly sure why, but apparently it looks "horror movie set" like. Hatter >> >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > poeple agree with her. I'm not exactly sure why, but apparently it > looks "horror movie set" like. Cool! When one of my SILs showed us their new house (prior to the major renovation done by her husband), when I first saw the basement, I said "Wow! This looks like it came straight out of "The Blair Witch Project"!" :) SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Actually, I'm glad, overall, I didn't get the house that actually had some graves in the basement. I was rather surprised the homeowner pointed them out. Sure it sounds cool, but people might get creeped out and not want to come over. Not to mention the difficulties involved if you want to renovate it/dig it out. I REALLY wanted the funeral home that was for sale a few doors down from where I did buy, but two banks were arguing over who has the deed. They finally split it back into two homes and the renovations RUINED it. It went from a dark grey castle to beige and light and airy. Some gay couple bought it back then and sold it recently for a 100K profit. There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big steel table, cubbyholes in the wall, heavy duty electrical outlets, a nice double sink, and a drain in the middle of the floor. Hatter Hatter >> >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > dark grey castle to beige and light and airy. Some gay couple bought > it back then and sold it recently for a 100K profit. there's this patch of rougher cement in the basement of my century old house that sure looks kinda creepy. say i wanted to investigate it non-destructively, what would you suggest? i was thinking of modifying a circuit similar to a "stud finder" circuit and interfacing it to an a/d converter. anybody got any better ideas. > There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room > was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hatter Signaturejade hasn't said anything about my new sig, either. Rob "Mop Jockey" "Roberta" Wolfe OFISHIAL Benevolent Dictator of AUK HAotM, ConT, dw:OPP, ASPCA , HAND, FOAD http://netkooks.org/ofishialbenevolentdictator/picture.jpg <insert more imaginary titles here later> -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Feb 22, 6:01 pm, "Jade hasn't said anything about this nym yet..." <j...@netkooks.org> wrote: > Hatterwrote: > >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The are earth sonogram machines for finding bodies, but I don't have any idea how to get ahold of one Hatter snip >> Cool! When one of my SILs showed us their new house (prior to the major >> renovation done by her husband), when I first saw the basement, I said [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > some graves in the basement. I was rather surprised the homeowner > pointed them out. Whoa! Sure it sounds cool, but people might get creeped > out and not want to come over. Not to mention the difficulties > involved if you want to renovate it/dig it out. I REALLY wanted the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > steel table, cubbyholes in the wall, heavy duty electrical outlets, a > nice double sink, and a drain in the middle of the floor. Oh, how cool would THAT have been :) SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room > > was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > BAAWA Knight! > #1557 It had the top of the line formstone, so good, people often mistook it for real stone It had stain glass windows with funeral urns and icanthus leaf as the motif Everything was super soundproofed It had a library room with inbuilt shelves The embalming/laundry room A small kitchen where everything was in arms reach A bar/reception room with cooler and butlers sink It was dark and cool, very little light a Weird Closet of normal width, but 8 feet deep, with cubbys at the back. Two seperate entrances in the front An Enclosed private Patio behind the enbalming room Full height basement with seperate street entrance. 7 bedrooms The third floor was a TOTAL wreck, however. It was being offered for 60K....I so hate that I didn't get it. I so hate the yuppified rahab they did do to it. Hatter On Feb 22, 12:34 am, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry Andrew, I did of course over edit, I meant that you would have > said it 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice. > > In Christ's love > Carol T Everything Earthquack does is motivated by malice. Praying for those who do not share your choice to believe something you can never know is malicious, and if it is a death cult (e.g. Christianity) that you believe in, it is extremely malicious. You probably didn't notice that your messages had been crossposted to alt.atheism, and you almost certainly won't want to hang around here, unless you are as mentally disturbed as Earthquack is. > Subject: Re: Is Dr. Chung Really wrong? > From: "cteasd5941@gmail.com" <cteasd5941@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sorry Andrew, I did of course over edit, I meant that you would have said it > 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice. No, "with malice" is correct. Chunk doesn't do anything without malice... SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken On Feb 22, 7:46 am, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you. [1]<<<<<<<< > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Perhaps a little like stewarding people towards the Lord's table for a > feast. It isn't if we don't know whether you are praying, nor what you are praying about if you are. A Christian on the other side of the earth that I haven't had any contact with other than him (or her) knowing I'm an atheist and is now praying for me will not affect me in the slightest. If I knew, I may be touched by the gesture, but all in all, I will be largely unaffected. > >>>>> Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both from a theological and a cardiological perspective. You?<<<<<<<, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hell because they have made an active choice to be with the > antichrist. So... Wait? You're saying that if Dr Chung were to stop praying for us, our hearts really would stop. How about he stops for a minute, and sees what happens? If people's hearts really do stop, then he should start praying for them. And also, it's not really a choice as to what religion you believe in. You can't suddenly decided "Oh, I'm going to be a militant islamic fundamentalist today. Oh bugger, there's the cops! Duck!". Conversion is made through means other than choice. You may like to think there is a choice, but 90% of people believe in the same religion as their parents. > I know the length of Andrew's prayer list, just as I know the true > value of each and every prayer. You see, the burden and the cross is > this weight of your life, well being and soul brought before God. The value of prayer is nil, in reality and theologically. Firstly, prayer has no affect on people who don't know about it. For people who do know they are being prayed for, they will have slightly lower stress levels (or slightly higher, depending on the sort of person... You may feel that if you die, you're letting alot more people down than normal), and perhaps a placebo effect. Secondly, God is omniscient. He already knows what you will be praying for before you do it. You are not telling him anything new. He also knows what he is going to do, and praying will not change that. > Do you expect Andrew to stop praying for you? Even some of the most > ardent opponents of Christianity are disturbed at the proposal that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not being heard, really his soul is calling out for prayers to those > who truly care because of Christ. Who actually worship's Satan? Do you know of anyone who says "I'm a Satan worshipper! I dance around fires naked and drink chicken blood!" or anything like that? No. If you believe in Satan, you believe in God, and it's stated throughout most of the Bible that God is more powerful than Satan. Secondly, I actually think communities and churches receive vastly more prayers than I do. I don't think I've ever received any personal ones. > Medically it's not relevant as Andrew has chosen as his partner in > healing the man who gave up His life for us, God's only Son, The Lord > Jesus Christ. He is above 'all' things in heaven and on earth. It's also irrelevent that just because he is a Doctor, we should take his word for it that God exists. If the majority of Christians had their way, then diseases would still be caused by breathing in daemons. > If you know nothing else about Andrew, you will always know that he > has been humbled before the Lord Jesus Christ and therefore is > strengthened by him too. And he has also been made remarkably arrogant on this newsgroup. > Personally I would thank Andrew for his prayer list if he is praying > for you, at least you know at least one humbled person has a God whom > he knows beyond all doubt is 'more' than he is. In this world today > that is an honor with no comparison as there are far too few God > fearing men in this world fueling their own egos. Psh. What? 2.1 billion Christians? Yeah. Far too few God fearing men. Well, 900 million if you discount the Catholics. > What I find a smidge bit troubling is that one sentence "Your heart > would stop beating if I stopped praying for you." it tells me a great [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spiritual death must be imminent and certainly physical death will > follow very soon after this. *without malice Are you willing to experiment? I'll offer myself up for this test. Andrew will stop praying for me specifically, and I will count the number of days I die, and send you guys a letter or post it up on this newgroup. > Our flesh does not follow the soul to its place of eternity. Once you show there is a soul, then I'll concede this point. > God Bless > Carol T May you have the blessings of Zeus, Jupiter, Allah, the great Buddha, Ra, Thor, Eastre, and Ba'al. And much love from me. >>>>>>>>>> Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you. >>>>>>>>>> [1]<<<<<<<< > > Dear Cary, > > I always know when people have stopped praying for me, Really? Is that when the voices in your head clam up? SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 >>>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to >>>>>>>> convey [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue > against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine. > A less tolerant person may have taken a number of people in these > newsgroups to court by now. Even a Christian is protected by the law > you know. Yeah and Britney Spears is a good mother. This is the usenet, are you that ignorant? > >>>>>>>>Yeah and Britney Spears is a good mother. This is the usenet, are you that > ignorant?<<<<<< The law protects a professional's integrity; this is because to reach a certain standard educationally it has taken many years of study and examination. This law is for your own protection too; as it would afford you the same level of respect had you earned it in the same way. It's a sociological construct that we live by to protect us all, not just Andrew. It is actually a construct that virtually all societies in the world live by. If you want it changed you have to challenge the notion politically. Professional integrity is taken very seriously by academics everywhere, you don't really want to test it in court, you _will_ lose. Becoming habitual in making derogatory comments might end up backfiring on someone as not everyone is as tolerant as Andrew has been. I am just pointing out to you all that being a Christian does not make Andrew's medical skills and knowledge any less. It has always been 'his' call to allow others to say so freely and sometimes with such distain for his working practice too. It has always been _his_ call to suffer it for the sake of Christ. Therefore anyone who has 'suggested' his medical skills are substandard has been served up a great deal of God's grace todate. In Christ's love Carol T > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----http://www.newsfeeds.comThe #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>Yeah and Britney Spears is a good mother. This is the usenet, >> >>>>>>>>are you that [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T First of all, there is no need to cover the education one has to receive and the commitment involved in becoming a physician, my father is a doctor, as is my uncle and my grandfather was also a doctor. Secondly, Chung is practicing medicine over the internet, something that would most probably not hold up well in a court room. Above and beyond that, he continues to preach and is attempting to spread the word even though the vast majority of people here have stated that they are not interesting in his pulpit, much less the words of Christ and biblical prophecy. If he were simply giving out medical advice and leaving it at that, I'm quite sure people would be much more tolerant and appreciative. Lastly, in most cases, the usenet defines anonymity, a person can be whatever he/she chooses to be and it would probably be quite difficult to track down anyone who would be suspected of actually damaging Chung's career, this is clearly not happening here though. People are simply upset because of the above mentioned, not because Chung is a Christian doctor giving out medical advice. My own Cardiologist has ascertained much of his advice to be quackery, after I discussed some of the statements made by Chung and the advice he's given out. Of course, this is simply an opinion of my doctor and everyone IS entitled to their opinion as well as freedom of speach! I myself have nothing against Christians who want to spread the word as I am a bit more tolerant than some but there is a time and place for it, the usenet is not the place. At least, not in this group. If you doubt this, read the past two or three hundred messages Chung has posted, people are upset as a result and he simply ignores them and does not respect people's wishes. >>>>> Yeah and Britney Spears is a good mother. This is the usenet, are you that > ignorant?<<<<<<<<<< BTW, I will be the first to say so if I see the medical profession do something collectively that has harmed or is about to harm others, including myself. In Christ's love Carol T Even bulls can turn off pain nerves when under stress. christ being non existent god , could do the same. So if he didnt , he is a masochist not worth worshipping , and if he did , then he didnt suffer for our sins at all ,and so again not worth worshipping. If the religious nuts use the hours each day they spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better and less annoying humans > Even bulls can turn off pain nerves when under stress. > christ being non existent god , could do the same. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better > and less annoying humans But after all it must be true since he read it in a book, much more believable than TV. > Even bulls can turn off pain nerves when under stress. > christ being non existent god , could do the same. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better > and less annoying humans But it must be true since he read it in a book, much more reliable than TV. > Even bulls can turn off pain nerves when under stress. > christ being non existent god , could do the same. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better > and less annoying humans He probably stopped feeling pain ten minutes after they started stomping him. Nice slow, even build to endorphin saturation. The mellow way you feel after running five miles is how he felt. > Even bulls can turn off pain nerves when under stress. > christ being non existent god , could do the same. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better > and less annoying humans the religious nuts are not really unproductive, they contribute to the gnp. the central idea of kirastanism is indeed to annoy others with the holier than dow stuff into donating money. they don't stop there either, they annoy the govt too; their earnings are taxfree. On Feb 21, 3:45 pm, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, if he was a plumber then being a Christian would somehow make > him a lousy plumber? >From my experience, from all the "previous plumber's" work I've had to set straight, that's generally the case. > >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey > > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 'additional and on going training in practicing to God's standards, > ethics, morality, human relationships, compassion and so forth. So, what? Many Catholic priests had advanced training in those subjects, and yet they still molested young men and women sexually. Just because one professes to be a Christian doesn't mean that person can't also be a child molester, or suffer from mental illness. In Chung's case, it seems likely that he is suffering from some form of delusion...imagining that he can stop someone's heart, imagining that he's God's "messenger", imagining that he solved the "riddle of the seals", imagining that there will be a "global earthquake", imagining that there will be a "nuclear exchange", his obsession with global death and destruction and "the end of the world", etc., etc., etc. > So, > many people consider that the standard he has reached (to become a > doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue > against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine. Chung's obsessions and mental state have already cost him the only job he ever held, and his "practice" is virtually non-existant (he has no hospital privileges...for a cardiologist). Clearly, his "faith" (expressed through his hyper-religious, incessant postings on usenet) have not helped his career as a cardiologist. GG > A less tolerant person may have taken a number of people in these > newsgroups to court by now. Even a Christian is protected by the law > you know. > > In Christ's love > Carol T On Feb 21, 8:45 pm, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey > > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a lousy plumber? Or if he was a cook his cooking would be inferior > too? Medical advice and practice in the modern world owe everything to science, so reference to religion (in truth, the two really are mutually exclusive) must detract from the efficacy thereof. You can learn plumbing or cooking by rote, but to be a good doctor, you must be able to use objective judgement informed by scientific understanding. Chung has abandoned scientific understanding in favour of superstition and his own brand of voodoo. > Be cross with him for being a Christian by all means, but the > qualification he's passed to become a doctor is the same for > Christians and non-Christians alike. _Your_ government and medical > governing bodies have set a standard of competency to practice > medicine. Indeed, and if Chung were to try and practice here in the UK, his feet wouldn't touch the ground. > If you are not happy with this standard, or feel that in > some way being Christian affects a doctor's ability to practice, then > you should raise your concerns with your politicians and medical > governing body. He's not just a Christian, he's a god-botherer. Not the same thing. Being a god-botherer reflects upon his mental state, and his intelligence. > However, being a Christian simply means that he will have had > 'additional and on going training in practicing to God's standards, > ethics, morality, human relationships, compassion and so forth. So, > many people consider that the standard he has reached (to become a > doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue > against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine. His ability to practice medicine is completely compromised by his abandonment of his medical career, and his inability to tell the truth about anything. > A less tolerant person may have taken a number of people in these > newsgroups to court by now. Even a Christian is protected by the law > you know. > > In Christ's love > Carol T If Chung wants to be protected by the law, he needs to stop breaking it. The reason why people like Dr Chung are so dangerous is that they teach passivity and helplessness and belief in an after life of hedonistic pleasure . What if a comet was heading our way and threatened to destroy all human life on our planet mummy earth ? People like would waste time praying , while what is needed is nukes and other means to save earth and send some to the moon beforehand. The Hindus pleaded with Shiva at Somnath , the Jews to Jehovah in the gas chambers , the Armenian Xtians to the Xtian god and so on , even Christ pleaded with his father God not to forsake him , but in all cases it didnt do them any good as God does not exist. Far better to accept that we are the only intelligent beings probably in the whole Universe and have an awesome responsibility not to waste time in pointless prayers and not kill fellow humans in Jihads. Btw if Andrew believes in God and Christ and Gabriel , he must also believe in Adam and Eve. Now who did Cain marry? If it was not Eve or one of his sisters then it must have been another woman and that means we are not ALL descended from just Adam and Eve! .. bbc.co.uk Chimpanzees 'hunt using spears' Chimps sharpened the spears with their teeth Chimpanzees in Senegal have been observed making and using wooden spears to hunt other primates, according to a study in the journal Current Biology. Researchers documented 22 cases of chimps fashioning tools to jab at smaller primates sheltering in cavities of hollow branches or tree trunks. The report's authors, Jill Pruetz and Paco Bertolani, said the finding could have implications for human evolution. Chimps had not been previously observed hunting other animals with tools. > The reason why people like Dr Chung are so dangerous is that > they teach passivity and helplessness and belief in an after life of [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Chimps had not been previously observed hunting other animals with > tools. I think, problem is in our attuened modernized thoughts. Probably, we don't respect and care our ancesstors and their tellings, which may be in indirect or in older language and which we are misunderstanding or not translating suitably and so radiculing. Probably, science is shown in other language for practical purpose enabling common mn to understand. Showing earth as flat, in most respect, to comon understandings, is most practical, still however ancient astrological calculations are based on earth's real shape. It means older talented people were knowing everything which we know now, even more, but didn't told directly for practical purpose. Progress may support new things on carry forwards basis not forgeting older and restarting absolutely new. Probably, Dr.Chung consider spritual tellings as healing mechanism and an healer can perdict--whether new or old. It is not necessory that predictor, whether forcasts etc. though scientific, are always comes true. Probably, real most healings may lie in energetic healings.
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