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Principles of losing weight and keeping a desired weight; my testimonial

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a_plutonium - 11 Feb 2007 20:09 GMT
Okay I have lived under this regimen for approximately 3 years now. I
keep my weight around the weight
I had in High School which is 139 lbs or 63 Kg. I believe my High
School weight is ideal throughout my life.

As of about 5 years ago I noticed I was gaining and at one time
reached 154 lbs. This is due to the fact that
I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. Too much premium ice cream,
chocolates, pies, cakes, cookies
were the culprits. And especially in wintertime this eating heaven was
exacerbated since I could not properly
exercise as in summertime mowing lawns with push mowers.

The SOLUTION: the problem starts at the grocery store where I would
buy all of these goodies like ice cream,
chocolates. This winter I ran up to 148 lbs but today am back to 139
lbs. This is because in the past weeks
I have fasted and also because my home has no ice-cream, no cookies,
no pies, no chocolates, no cakes.
The best thing to eat in my home right now is crackers with marmalade
or cereal or fruits. So the First Principle
of keeping a weight is never buy it at the store and have the foods at
home such that your compulsion to eat
them is not a strong compelling force. If I had ice cream bars in the
freezer, my mind thinks of them
quickly and quickly I binge eat them completely. So if I do not buy
them at the store, I cannot gain weight.

And the foods I have at home now do not attract me to want to eat them
unless very hungry. Because they
require my time to fix. This is a pernicious developement in foods is
that ice cream bars on a stick are
simply unwrap and binge eat. But if one had to get out a churner and
make homemade ice cream every
time they wanted ice cream, well, they would not eat so much.
Likewise, never buy it at the grocery
store does the same thing.

The Second Principle is that the stomach shrinks when you maintain a
diet over long periods of time. So
once I have my weight at around 139 lbs my stomach is shrunk and
demands less food to eat.

The Third Principle is exercise but that is a known axiom to keeping
weight down.

So let me summarize this Diet Plan that everyone in the world can
follow and keep their weight down.

(1) Set a weight that you want to maintain
(2) Only eat at home and only have food around that you have no desire
to binge eat
(3) Try some fasting and do as much exercise as you can
(4) Your stomach will shrink and help you maintain your goal weight

The key is to have the food around you that is not terribly desirous.
Anyone who claims to be on a diet
and is still eating goodies, is only fooling themselves and will never
maintain weight at a desired goal.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
a_plutonium - 12 Feb 2007 06:57 GMT
Now when I fast, only because I get too far away from 139 lbs ( 63Kg)
such as wintertime when there is not much
activity and alot of indoor time and alot more eating, then I tend to
fast whenever I get close to 150 lbs, like this
winter. And I lose 3 lbs per day of fasting which in a sense is a
measure of my metabolic rate. I am sure others
will have a different metabolic rate. And when I fast, I drink only
water or tea on those days. I think once I fasted
for 3 days in a row but my ability to work on projects was being
compromised due to fatigue and this overwhelming
thoughts of food.

But I am back to 139 lbs and the two big lessons for me is have no
highly desirous foods in the home. So dieting
begins at the grocery store. Do not buy any ice-cream, chocolates,
pies, cakes, cookies and other foods for which
the mind cannot control the will to start eating and binge out. Have
the most desirous foods in a home for which
there is no desire to binge eat. For me right now, the most desirous
foods in my home are canned fruits, marmalade
on crackers and cereal. So I can eat a little of these foods but I do
not have the desire to binge eat on them. Now
if my weight starts going up, then I will binge eat on the marmalade
to get rid of it and then have only the fruit and
cereal as the most desirous. So I adjust the foods in my home to get
to the desired weight and maintain that weight.

But I will say something good about a little weight in that work seems
to come easier, with less fatigue, than if
at the desired weight. So in the summertime when I have alot of
activity and exercise I may just go up to the range
of 139 lbs to about 145 lbs.

Now I wonder if the accuracy of 3 lbs per day of fasting is in some
agreement with known biological parameters.
At what weight would a person, say die? Is it about 50 lbs? And if so,
then a 3 lbs per day of loss in fasting would
mean that 90/3 is 30 days of no food and I would likely die. So I
wonder if that is relatively accurate, that a
person would die around 30 days without food if starting at 139 lbs.

Now I think there is another method of dieting that science has not
looked into and for obvious good reasons. When
people get sick with colds or other diseases they tend to lose
appetite and not eat. So I wonder if there is a
BENIGN cold which when administered makes the patient sick but also
makes them fast for about two weeks or
14 days and in that time loses 14 X 3 lbs = 42 lbs. It would have to
be a cold virus that is not harmful, but
makes a person sick enough that they have no appetite for food. There
are so very many viruses in the world,
or perhaps some bacteria that creates a sort of stomach ache for 14
days with no appetite to eat anything. So
I think the medical and pharmaceutical industry have not looked into
the possibility of harnessing a "sickness"
in order to lose weight. And there maybe a good opportunity in this
plan of attack on obesity.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 12 Feb 2007 17:24 GMT
> And I lose 3 lbs per day of fasting which in a sense is a
>measure of my metabolic rate. I am sure others
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>compromised due to fatigue and this overwhelming
>thoughts of food.

The apparent high weight loss in the first few days of fasting is
due mainly to loss of water, intestinal contents, and glycogen.
A total fast for more than a few days will induce ketosis, since
fat isn't catabolized effectively in the absence of carbohydrate,
so once you use up the glycogen, you'll consume it faster and
feel sicker and weaker due to the toxic ketones produced.  But
you're not going to lose any 3 lbs per day unless you can also do
enough physical exercise to burn 6-10,000 calories.

Another problem with fasting more than a few days in a row is that
your body will start to consume protein, which will load your
kidneys, make you feel sicker, and can cause significant damage to
the heart and other organs.

Various crash diets consisting of only meats and fats take advantage
of the inefficient fat catabolism for greater fat loss and try to
minimize loss of body proteins.  You still get the unpleasant and
unhealthy effects of ketosis -- nausea, bad breath, weakness,
malaise, extra load on the kidneys, etc.  Ketosis is something
like solvent sniffing -- your body produces acetone and related
ketones.  These things are neurotoxic, too, another reason ketosis
makes you feel weak and generally bad.

>Now I wonder if the accuracy of 3 lbs per day of fasting is in some
>agreement with known biological parameters.

No, it isn't, as you'll discover if you fast more than a few days.

>At what weight would a person, say die? Is it about 50 lbs? And if so,
>then a 3 lbs per day of loss in fasting would
>mean that 90/3 is 30 days of no food and I would likely die. So I
>wonder if that is relatively accurate, that a
>person would die around 30 days without food if starting at 139 lbs.

Depends on a lot of factors.  Some people are grossly obese at 139 pounds,
while others are on the verge of emaciation.  But you don't lose 3 lbs
per day unless you consume nothing, in which case you'll die quickly
from dehydration.

People sometimes undertake 40 day fasts for religious or spiritual
reasons, and this is usually survivable.  IIRC, they usually lose
30-50 pounds.  There are also 'juice fasts' in which the person
consumes small amounts of fruit juice, to avoid ketosis.

There are also any number of medically supervised fasting regimes for
fast weight loss in the extremely obese.  It shouldn't take you much
effort to learn about them at PubMed.

Note that as in your own experience, weight lost by fasting is
seldom kept off.  For one thing, once you start eating again, you
get back all that glycogen and intestinal contents.  Also, as in
your experience, weight lost by these crash dieting methods is
usually regained within a year.

>Now I think there is another method of dieting that science has not
>looked into and for obvious good reasons. When
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>be a cold virus that is not harmful, but
>makes a person sick enough that they have no appetite for food.

Most colds last 7-10 days and I find it hard to believe that anybody
loses 20-30 lbs even with a really bad cold.  (Reality check, eh?)

Note that your metabolic rate goes up about 7% for each Celsius
degree of fever, so a good, high, miserable fever can help you lose
weight.  Wow, what a win!
ramen - 12 Feb 2007 08:12 GMT
> Okay I have lived under this regimen for approximately 3 years now. I
> keep my weight around the weight
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> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

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