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A woman who refused a blood transfusion died because she chose her faith over life
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Lieken - 03 Jan 2007 23:04 GMT [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse blood. However among reading the story closely something else is revealed. Go to show you the bias of the media when it come to certain religious groups or beliefs]
Allison Mallender, a 44-year-old Jehovah's Witness, had been admitted to hospital for a routine hysterectomy.
After years of severe abdominal pain the mother-of-one was looking forward to surgery and a lifetime without constant pain.
But during the three-hour operation at the Royal Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield surgeons encountered a series of complications.
Mrs Mallender's abdominal organs were stuck together following a previous operation and she had begun to bleed heavily, the inquest was told.
As a result there was a significant drop in the levels of haemoglobin carrying oxygen to her major organs and she lost consciousness.
Although the surgeons had repaired some of the damage she was immediately placed on a ventilator in intensive care. Although her condition improved during the first three days it soon deteriorated and two days later she was dead.
"She did not want to make a fuss about the fact she was a Jehovah's Witness which is why she had not mentioned it until the day before the operation," said Professor Ti C Li, who conducted the operation.
He told the hearing that it was rare for a blood transfusion to be needed during a hysterectomy but not unheard of.
"I asked her if she wanted to go on because of the increased risks, especially if there was significant bleeding," he said. "But she was clear in her mind that she wanted to get on with the operation. Having satisfied myself that she realised the risks, we proceeded with the operation ."
Soon after the operation began, however, he and the three other surgeons in theatre were confronted with a series of problems, including heavy bleeding. For the next three hours they battled to separate her abdominal organs.
But during the process Mrs Mallender suffered a tear to her small bowel and was losing a lot of blood. Later, whilst in intensive care she was given drugs to try to counteract the blood loss but on 11 June she lost her fight for life.
Mrs Mallender's mother and father, who have been Jehovah's Witnesses for the last 35 years, are believed to have backed her desire to refuse any blood products.
The inquest was told that her decision not to have a blood transfusion was not the primary cause of her death. She died, the hearing was told, because of a catalogue of problems stemming from the tear in her small bowel, including multi-organ failure, septic shock as well as her refusal to accept blood products.
An anaethetist claimed that although her blood level was low, it was not low enough to end in her losing her life.
Her husband, Daniel, 47, who is not a Jehovah's Witness, was also at her bedside with their 23-year-old daughter, Rebecca, when she died. Last night, at the couple's home in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, he refused to comment.
The inquest into her death, held at Sheffield Coroners Court, heard how she had only mentioned her religion a day before the surgery. She had waited for the operation and was determined to see it through, despite the risks.
Mrs Mallender's mother and father, Alan Iddon, 66, and Isabelle Iddon, 64, refused to speak about their daughter's death or her decision not to accept a blood transfusion.
As Jehovah's Witnesses they see blood as sacred and according to their beliefs it was God's will that it should not be shared.
Sheffield Coroner Chris Dorries returned a narrative verdict and said that Mrs Mallinder died after suffering complications during and after surgery "and the subsequent treatment regime against a background of refusal to accept blood products."
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habshi - 04 Jan 2007 00:36 GMT All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide.
PonderKoi - 04 Jan 2007 01:25 GMT > All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide. Should parents be charged with asissting suicide when their child die in Iraq as a soldier under the age of 21?
.. - 04 Jan 2007 03:25 GMT >> All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide. > > Should parents be charged with asissting suicide when their child die > in Iraq as a soldier under the age of 21? Should the Watchtower be charged with assisting suicide when they kill another person with their blood transfusion ban Jabbers?
Zëbulon - 04 Jan 2007 12:22 GMT > >> All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Should the Watchtower be charged with assisting suicide when they kill > another person with their blood transfusion ban Jabbers? Adults have the right to make decions for themselves and thier children no matter how stupid or ridiculous others may deem it to be. You claim you spent over 60 dollars or more on your koi and those potholes you call ponds in from of your trailer. That money could feed a woman and her children in a shelter for a week. Maybe you should be charged with assisting the starvation and aiding in poor health condition of fellow americans.
Zëbulon - 04 Jan 2007 21:25 GMT Impersonation of "Zëbulon" by troll Antonio Santana aka Jabriol from ARJ-W
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?WutidWxvbg==?=" <JhemHaddar@gmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,rec.ponds,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,news.groups Subject: Re: A woman who refused a blood transfusion died because she chose her faith over life Date: 4 Jan 2007 04:22:51 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1167913371.199265.220910@6g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> References: <1167865490.870341.218380@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com> <459c4c15.13651328@news.clara.net> <1167873922.988124.189090@i80g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <enhs2v$78d$1@registered.motzarella.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.77.120 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167913381 31337 127.0.0.1 (4 Jan 2007 12:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:23:01 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <enhs2v$78d$1@registered.motzarella.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; YPC 3.2.0; IEMB3; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Crazy Browser 2.0.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 6g2000cwy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=151.204.77.120; posting-account=zLt5ug0AAAAT6z0OlgUgUzi55zoS9vXB Xref: news.shared-secrets.com alt.religion.jehovahs-witn:193720 rec.ponds:187577 sci.med:161455 talk.politics.medicine:63823 news.groups:160367
>> >> All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide. >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > assisting the starvation and aiding in poor health condition of fellow > americans. Zëbulon - 04 Jan 2007 22:23 GMT Impersonating who?
Afraid Kevin going to block list you?
Doesn't bother me much.
oh and as always Carol, you are off-topic
> Impersonation of "Zëbulon" by troll Antonio Santana aka Jabriol from ARJ-W . - 05 Jan 2007 05:29 GMT is a sock puppet of: ----- Original Message ----- Message-ID: <5fOlf.8557$567.1252@trnddc01> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.77.120 From: "JABRIOL" Antonio L. Santana/Jehovah's Witness/ARJW
> And it will not stop until she is > dead. Which will be in short order.
> She is: > Norma I Santana > 1064 Everett St > Camden NJ (856) 968-0004 =================================
Sdores - 05 Jan 2007 11:31 GMT I consider this a death threat, anyone else?
> is a sock puppet of: > ----- Original Message ----- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Camden NJ (856) 968-0004 > ================================= Ips-Switch - 05 Jan 2007 20:58 GMT >I consider this a death threat, anyone else? He's already been reported to the Camden NJ Police once for threatening his usual elderly victims in TN. The person in question is a well know net kook and sociopath known as Jabriol or Antonio L Santana.
>> is a sock puppet of: >> ----- Original Message ----- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> Camden NJ (856) 968-0004 >> ================================= Sdores - 05 Jan 2007 21:36 GMT Wonderful! NOT UM MOM Susan
>>I consider this a death threat, anyone else? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>> Camden NJ (856) 968-0004 >>> ================================= Lieken - 06 Jan 2007 02:18 GMT > >I consider this a death threat, anyone else? > > He's already been reported to the Camden NJ Police once for threatening his > usual elderly victims in TN. The person in question is a well know net kook > and sociopath known as Jabriol or Antonio L Santana. And you IPS-Switch are going to die. Strangled or suffocated. Maybe sliced up like a rotten potatoe. Now witch call the police. So they can lock you up as the loon that you are.
Jason - 06 Jan 2007 03:51 GMT >> >I consider this a death threat, anyone else? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sliced up like a rotten potatoe. Now witch call the police. So they can > lock you up as the loon that you are. You still looking to have your wife Norma I Santana murdered? Now you want her strangled or suffocated? First you wanted her "throat slit in the middle of the night".... changed your mind Antonio-Jabriol? Tell us, do you have insurance on any of your victims?
Lieken - 06 Jan 2007 04:09 GMT > >> >I consider this a death threat, anyone else? > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > of the night".... changed your mind Antonio-Jabriol? Tell us, do you have > insurance on any of your victims? Don't know about Norma, whoever she may be. But you are, as we say quite prime for slicing and dicing. How would you like your throat cut? Joker style?
Ips-Switch - 07 Jan 2007 07:54 GMT >> >> >I consider this a death threat, anyone else? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Don't know about Norma, whoever she may be. Norma is your wife Antonio? You forgot?
But you are, as we say
> quite prime for slicing and dicing. How would you like your throat cut? > Joker style? Anyway Norma would like it, ask her................
habshi - 07 Jan 2007 14:07 GMT Can the Jehvoha's not be outlawed for preaching suicide and being a death cult?
Ips-Switch - 07 Jan 2007 19:29 GMT > Can the Jehvoha's not be outlawed for preaching suicide and > being a death cult? Not in America. You can get away with almost anything as long as you claim you're a religious Org.
Zëbulon - 05 Jan 2007 04:05 GMT =?iso-8859-1?Q?Z=EBbulon?=<invalid@mailinator.com>wrote:
> Tedious piece with frightful venus fly trap and ineffective > handwarmers wants to meet junior verve pipe for boisterous windsurfing > on mount baldy. Mail me at <invalid@mailinator.com> . - 05 Jan 2007 04:08 GMT The above poster is JABRIOL aka Antonio L Santana and he posted this message regarding his wife:
Original Message ---- one of many similar messages: From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
> youre doomed.. you know it. > Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her?)
> Norma I Santana YOB 1959 > 1064 Everett St. > Camden NJ (856) 968-0004
> Attends Spanish Speaking cong of > Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ .. - 05 Jan 2007 02:31 GMT >> >> All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide. >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > you spent over 60 dollars or more on your koi and those potholes you > call ponds in from of your trailer. You talking about Jabriol's kiddy pool on the roof of the projects he lives in? He can't afford a trailer. SSI checks only go so far.
That money could feed a woman and
> her children in a shelter for a week. Then why isn't the Watchtower feeding them?
Maybe you should be charged with
> assisting the starvation and aiding in poor health condition of fellow > americans. Like the WTS and it's followers?
Accounts Payable - 05 Jan 2007 03:45 GMT The above poster is JABRIOL aka Antonio L Santana and he posted this message regarding his wife: Original Message ---- one of many similar messages: From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
> youre doomed.. you know it. > Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her?)
> Norma I Santana YOB 1959 > 1064 Everett St. > Camden NJ (856) 968-0004
> Attends Spanish Speaking cong of > Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ . - 05 Jan 2007 05:22 GMT is a sock puppet of: ----- Original Message ----- Message-ID: <5fOlf.8557$567.1252@trnddc01> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.77.120 From: "JABRIOL" Antonio L. Santana/Jehovah's Witness/ARJW
> And it will not stop until she is > dead. Which will be in short order.
> She is: > Norma I Santana > 1064 Everett St > Camden NJ (856) 968-0004 =================================
.. - 04 Jan 2007 05:42 GMT > All relatives should be charged for assisting at a suicide. And the Watchtower Society sued for another wrongful death.
.. - 04 Jan 2007 05:42 GMT > [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the > press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse > blood. Another person dead thanks to the Watchtower's wicked rulers and their misinterpretation of the scriptures.
Zëbulon - 04 Jan 2007 12:25 GMT > > [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the > > press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse > > blood. > > Another person dead thanks to the Watchtower's wicked rulers and their > misinterpretation of the scriptures. Another idiotic reply from a person who did not read the news article, but jumps on the thread as an opportunity to bash JW's
K. A. Cannon - 04 Jan 2007 20:11 GMT >> > [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the >> > press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Another idiotic reply from a person who did not read the news article, >but jumps on the thread as an opportunity to bash JW's Antonio do you really think changing your IP is going to accomplish anything?
If you keep this up you are making a case to have any IP block you use added to a lot of blacklists.
Imagine that.
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Hari Seldon - 04 Jan 2007 23:49 GMT >>>> [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the >>>> press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Imagine that. My, My; The notion of self importance and imaginary power are the primary step of a pretended dictatorship acknowledged by none.
K. A. Cannon - 05 Jan 2007 05:46 GMT >>>>> [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the >>>>> press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >My, My; The notion of self importance and imaginary power are the >primary step of a pretended dictatorship acknowledged by none. Nope...He's a well know and unrepentant self admitted net-abuser.
And...on any server I control his ip has been or will soon be blocked.
 Signature K. A. Cannon kcannon at insurgent dot org (change the orgy to org to reply)
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Hari Seldon - 05 Jan 2007 14:59 GMT > Imagine that. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And...on any server I control his ip has been or will soon be blocked. I see, I do appreciate your ability to inform the world of your power. I am sure of the thousands servers and ISP's out there in cyberspace the one you have absolute control is a, how should I word it? an asteroid among planets? yes that will do.
I on the other hand own stars. I have no need to inform minute fleas like jabriol and others that they will be squashed. I do admit to taking inmense pleasure in allowing them to believe I am reading their posts, when I am not. For example you will not know if I will read your follow up reply, or simply place you in:
"read for amusement only folder"
Surely if the ego bloated denizen of rec.ponds did this, the power of Jabriol would be reduced to absolute zero and there would be no need for RPM. Don't you agree?
Tell me Lad, How come this Jabriol has so much power, that invokes the wrath of blokes like you?
TransWench - 06 Jan 2007 12:01 GMT I was busily flonking away in AUK, when The Goddess Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Hari Seldon:
>> Imagine that. >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Tell me Lad, How come this Jabriol has so much power, that invokes the > wrath of blokes like you? He's a spamming, net-abusing stalker-k00k, is Jabriol, and blocking his IP is the least that can be done to stop his abuse. As far as killfiling him, forget it. He has admitted to having 90+ nyms and morphs, and it would be impossible to be sure of getting them all. Furthermore, posting through Google does not automatically make one a clueless spammer-k00k, and Google Groups has no killfile function for those reduced to using it.
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Bob Officer - 06 Jan 2007 17:49 GMT >I was busily flonking away in AUK, when The Goddess Eris Herself suddenly >made me reply to Hari Seldon: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >and Google Groups has no killfile function for those reduced to using >it. If my killfile can handle the mighty morphing Danny Min, Jabbers is easy.
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Ips-Switch - 06 Jan 2007 23:04 GMT > He's a spamming, net-abusing stalker-k00k, is Jabriol, and blocking his > IP is the least that can be done to stop his abuse. As far as killfiling [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and Google Groups has no killfile function for those reduced to using > it. He also forges headers, impersonates his victims and uses anonymous remailers.
.. - 05 Jan 2007 02:39 GMT >>> > [This very interesting, if you read the the subject, as showed in the >>> > press, you would think this woman died because she was a JW and refuse [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Imagine that. Is it possible to do that? He's really harassing a lot of NGs and impersonating people. Antonio's turned into a troll. He admitted to having over 90 legitimate gmail accounts so he can post more messages through Google then they allow.
.. - 05 Jan 2007 02:34 GMT > Another idiotic reply from a person who did not read the news article, > but jumps on the thread as an opportunity to bash JW's Why are you passing as a woman again Jabbers?
Accounts Payable - 05 Jan 2007 03:49 GMT The above poster is JABRIOL aka Antonio L Santana and he posted this message regarding his wife: Original Message ---- one of many similar messages: From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
> youre doomed.. you know it. > Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her?)
> Norma I Santana YOB 1959 > 1064 Everett St. > Camden NJ (856) 968-0004
> Attends Spanish Speaking cong of > Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ
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