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Hemoglobin / Risk of Death

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ironjustice@aol.com - 27 Nov 2006 12:56 GMT
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doctors should aim for lower levels of red blood cells in their
patients
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Now seeing that this doctor is describing .. BELOW .. 'accepted lab
values' .. then this would / should cause a HEADS UP .. in the medical
community.

Simply because .. the lab values accepted as .. SAFE .. have been shown
to be linked to increased death.

Soooo .. how many in cardiac care are walking around WITH .. these
accepted values of .. SAFE .. ?

Probably quite a .. few ..

Seeing that .. 'they' .. are .. EVER PRESENT .. to ENSURE .. you are
KEPT in this .. state of .. what seems / EVIDENCE based .. to ... KILL
.. you ..

With friends like these ..

INCREASED risk of death at .. 13.5 .. 14 is considered .. 'normal' ..

http://www.dalesplace.net/lab_values.php#Hematology%20Values

Normal Adult Male Range: 14 - 18 g/dl

http://isopp.org/tiki-print_article.php?articleId=513

FDA ALERT 11/16/2006: FDA is issuing this alert to advise you of a
newly published clinical study showing that patients treated with an
erythropoiesis-stimulating agent (ESA) and dosed to a target hemoglobin
concentration of 13.5 g/dL are at a significantly increased risk for
serious and life threatening cardiovascular complications, as compared
to use of the ESA to target a hemoglobin concentration of 11.3 g/dL.

http://tinyurl.com/ylkuwx

US FDA says reviewing J&J anemia drug study
Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:24pm ET
WASHINGTON, Nov 15 (Reuters) - U.S. regulators are reviewing a study
showing kidney disease patients treated more aggressively with Johnson
& Johnson's (JNJ.N: Quote, Profile, Research) anemia drug Procrit had a

higher risk of cardiac complications, officials said on Wednesday.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/548067

Medscape Alerts
Higher Target Hemoglobin Levels Linked With Cardiovascular Events

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/16/business/16anemia.html?ei=5087%0A&em=&en=03f24
7998ddb90b9&ex=1163998800&pagewanted=all


Heart Risk Seen in Drug For Anemia
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By ALEX BERENSON
Published: November 16, 2006
A medical study to be released today suggests that high doses of a
best-selling drug used to treat anemia in dialysis and cancer patients
may increase the risk of heart problems and deaths

http://www.pharmalive.com/News/index.cfm?articleid=393007

FDA - MedWatch - Erythropoiesis Stimulating Agents - CHOIR Study
Results Show a Higher Chance of the Combination of Death, Heart Attack,
Hospitalizations for Heart Failure and Stroke in Patients with Chronic
Kidney Disease

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ironjustice@aol.com - 27 Nov 2006 13:15 GMT
> <<snip>>
> doctors should aim for lower levels of red blood cells in their
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

I suppose since the latest study showed increased risk of death in
those with **NORMAL** hemoglobin .. http://tinyurl.com/y2m753 .. the
FACT one has increased risk of death with .. smoking / polycythemia /
erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. AND increased iron /
erythrocytosis / polycythemia / increased red blood cells ..  would
give .. CREDENCE .. to **increased red blood cell production** to being
.. VERY .. bad .. and ALSO .. the possibility of .. **normal** .. being
.. JUST .. simply .. bad .. therefore .. **WRONG** ..

http://nytimes.com/specials/women/warchive/970305_1156.html

As for heart disease, a study conducted among 1,900 middle-aged men in
Finland indicated that a high iron level was second only to smoking as
a cause of heart attacks.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
capmack@shipper.com - 27 Nov 2006 14:46 GMT
> newly published clinical study showing that patients treated with an
> erythropoiesis-stimulating agent (ESA) and dosed to a target hemoglobin
> concentration of 13.5 g/dL are at a significantly increased risk for
> serious and life threatening cardiovascular complications, as compared
> to use of the ESA to target a hemoglobin concentration of 11.3 g/dL.

Of concern only for those taking that kind of drug, no concern forall
else.  Generalizing the rare to the total is almost always invalid as we
see again and again and again by this poster.
kuhnfucius - 18 Dec 2006 17:25 GMT
Damn hemoglobin twill kill youse everytime.

> <<snip>>
> doctors should aim for lower levels of red blood cells in their
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
 
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