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caesarjbsquitti - 25 Nov 2006 21:08 GMT

Flawed tests conceal Bacteria infections ?

In doing some review of the online information concerning Walkerton, I
came across a interesting bit of information that may have significant
importance to Canadians.

"Of the 675 people who submitted stool samples, 57% submitted samples
that tested negative for both E. coli and Campylobacter. A negative
test result does not necessarily mean the person was not infected. It
might also mean that (1) the person had stopped or was intermittently
shedding the bacteria, (2) the culture was not tested before the
bacteria died, (3) the culture was mishandled, or (4) another pathogen
was responsible for the symptoms. Accordingly, it is possible that some
or all of the people who tested negative were in fact infected, or had
previously been infected."

>From the Wakerton report it becomes evident that this important problem

with testing has escaped the attention of the general public and some
doctors.

My discussions with a doctor comfirms the fact that 'testing' for
giardia (and I am certain probably other bacteria) is not 100%
accruate. This doctor informed me, that the test for giardia must be
repeated 4 to 5 times, that is 4 - 5 times before you can rule out the
possibility of Giardia.

Logic would suggest that their must be many people who are suffering
from 'the symptoms' of possible giardia, get tested only once, and if
the test is negative, falsely believe that they do not have giardia.
Leaving little chance that they will ever find that t his common
problem could be the cause of their symptoms.

Now the problem is compounded because chronic intestinal problems can
lead to a variety of symptoms that we label as 'diseases'. It is
evident that a great deal of health care problems are being played out
in our society due to this flaw in testing for a common known bacteria.
Which leaves the question what about the other bacterial tests ?

Well the diseases that 'giardia' can cause...how about IBS ? Crohns ?
MS ? and neurological problems like depression, anxiety, schizophrenia
?

The 'key' word is 'parasites', and there are simple herbal treatments
for them.
http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.535.html

Caesar J. B. Squitti

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Jeff - 25 Nov 2006 22:45 GMT

> Flawed tests conceal Bacteria infections ?
>
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> or all of the people who tested negative were in fact infected, or had
> previously been infected."

Why did they give stool samples? Was it for diagnosis? Or survalience?

If the idea was to determine if the people had problems with E. coli, you
don't need to find it in all the people. If you find a lot of sick people
have the bacteria and and no other cause is found, you can be pretty sure
that the E. coli is causing the illness in most people and is the cause of
the outbreak.

>>From the Wakerton report it becomes evident that this important problem
> with testing has escaped the attention of the general public and some
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> giardia (and I am certain probably other bacteria) is not 100%
> accruate.

Giardia is a protozoan, not a bacterium.

No test is 100% accurate.

Sometimes, even people who are pronounced dead are found alive later.

> This doctor informed me, that the test for giardia must be
> repeated 4 to 5 times, that is 4 - 5 times before you can rule out the
> possibility of Giardia.

Actually, can't rule it out entirely. Giardia might still be causing the
problems even if you didn't grow it.

> Logic would suggest that their must be many people who are suffering
> from 'the symptoms' of possible giardia, get tested only once, and if
> the test is negative, falsely believe that they do not have giardia.
> Leaving little chance that they will ever find that t his common
> problem could be the cause of their symptoms.

But their doctors should explain to them that they need to bring in a lot of
poop, how to store it before bringing it, that the poop needs to be fresh,
etc. If the poop isn't stored and processed properly, the test will be
negative.

> Now the problem is compounded because chronic intestinal problems can
> lead to a variety of symptoms that we label as 'diseases'. It is
> evident that a great deal of health care problems are being played out
> in our society due to this flaw in testing for a common known bacteria.
> Which leaves the question what about the other bacterial tests ?

Again, it depends on why the tests are being done. Test for high cholesterol
depend on, in part, when and what the last meal was.

Urine bacterial tests depend on the collection method and how the urine is
stored. Plus, if someone has been taking antibiotics for something else
(e.g., ear infection a week ago), this could cause a false negative,
depending on the anitbiotic. And patients don't always report the history
properly. I had a mother who said her kid was treated for pneumonia. It was
an ear infection on the doctor's report.

> Well the diseases that 'giardia' can cause...how about IBS ? Crohns ?
> MS ? and neurological problems like depression, anxiety, schizophrenia

Giardia won't cause depression or schizophrenia. However, they can make
these worse or trigger a depressive episode or make one's schizophrenia
(e.g., a schizophrenic may think that someone is purposely posioning his
food - after all, if you're paranoid, that doesn't mean someone is not out
to get you).

Needless to say, the symptoms mimic some of the sysmptoms of IBS and Crohns.
I would be surprised to learn that Giardia can't make these worse, as well.

> The 'key' word is 'parasites', and there are simple herbal treatments
> for them.
> http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.535.html

LOL. Thanks for the laugh. I love where they say that modern medicine treats
symtoms, not the cause. What do you think getting a diagnosis of giardiasis
is for? So you can take a medicine that kills the protozoan so you can get
rid of it.

Jeff

> Caesar J. B. Squitti

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