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Excess iron due to dietary habits
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ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Nov 2006 02:32 GMT <<Virus Weekly -- 07/26/06>>.
Iron Chelation as Therapy for HIV and Mycobacterium tuberculosis Co-Infection Under Conditions of Iron Overload. Meyer D Curr Pharm Des. 2006; 12(16): 1943-7
Iron chelators, as treatment for conditions of iron overload, have implications for AIDS and tuberculosis (TB) since excess iron in the system assists HIV and Mycobacterium tuberculosis (M.tb) multiplication. Excess iron, especially due to dietary habits, is almost as common in sub-Saharan Africa as infections by the two organisms. That HIV and M.tb influence each other's replication during co-infection is well established, but in vitro evaluations of concurrent infection of the two under conditions of iron overload and determining whether chelators reverse the effect, are limited. This review provides brief commentary on the possibility of iron chelators presently in clinical use influencing simultaneous HIV-M.tb infections during iron loading and the feasibility of evaluating this in vitro
The association of serum ferritin and transferrin receptor concentrations with mortality in women with human immunodeficiency virus infection. Gordeuk VR, Onojobi G, Schneider MF, Dawkins FW, Delapenha R, Voloshin Y, von Wyl V, Bacon M, Minkoff H, Levine A, Cohen M, Greenblatt RM Haematologica. 2006 May 16;
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES: Whether degree of iron stores influences progression of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) disease is controversial. We studied the relationship of indirect measures of iron
stores with mortality in highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART)-naïve participants from the Women's Interagency HIV Study. DESIGN AND METHODS: One hundred and fifty-eight HIV-infected women who died before July 1996 were individually matched by CD4+ cell count (within +/- 50 cells/microL) and HIV RNA level (within +/- 0.50 log10 copies/mL) to 154 controls. Serum ferritin and transferrin receptor concentrations were measured in 151 pairs of women. RESULTS: Using multivariable conditional logistic regression models that were adjusted
for self-reported antiretroviral therapy use, age, smoking status, ethnicity, hemoglobin concentration, C-reactive protein and aspartate amino transferase, a log10 increase in baseline serum ferritin concentration was associated with a 1.67-fold increase in the odds of death (95% CI: 0.98, 2.86) and a one-unit decrease in transferrin receptor to log10 ferritin ratio was associated with a 1.12-fold (95% CI: 1.01, 1.23) increase in the odds of death. INTERPRETATION AND CONCLUSIONS: In this study, higher indirect measures of iron status were associated with reduced survival among HAART-naïve HIV-infected women. Additional prospective studies with data on direct measures of iron status along with randomized trials are needed to elucidate the current equipoise over whether iron supplementation is beneficial by preventing anemia or harmful by increasing iron stores in HIV-infected women.
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Anja Länge - 07 Nov 2006 10:38 GMT > Iron Chelation as Therapy for HIV and Mycobacterium tuberculosis > Co-Infection Under Conditions of Iron Overload. The link to this article's full text can be found at http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iuatld/ijtld/2005/00000009/00000001/art00002. Reading the text you can read this:
"A fine balance between iron overload and iron deficiency therefore needs to be maintained. Primary causes of haemochromatosis include genetic polymorphisms in genes encoding the hereditary haemachromatosis protein (HFE), haptoglobin (Hp) or b2-microglobulin (b2m),6 while repeated transfusions and dietary overload, as found in parts of Africa,7"
"dietary overload, as found in parts of Africa"... if one follows that reference number 7, you come to the article "African iron overload", which's abstract can be found at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 2382201&dopt=Abstract...
"Iron overload is common in rural sub-Saharan African populations that have the custom of drinking a traditional fermented beverage with high iron content. As with both excessive alcohol exposure and HFE hemochromatosis, hepatic portal fibrosis and micronodular cirrhosis are prominent sequelae of African iron overload. Two observations are therefore important in characterizing iron overload in Africa. First, the hepatic iron concentrations associated with African iron overload often far exceed those seen in alcoholic liver disease and histologic changes of alcohol effect are almost always absent. Second, the pattern of iron accumulation in African dietary iron is prominent in both macrophages and hepatic parenchymal cells; this pattern is in contrast to HFE homochromatosis, which is marked by predominantly parenchymal iron-loading. For a long time, it was thought that African iron overload was purely dietary in nature, that increased iron and alcohol in the diet could fully explain markedly elevated tissue iron levels sometimes seen with this condition. Recent studies of pedigrees suggest that, in addition to high dietary iron content, a genetic defect may also be implicated in iron overload in Africans. These studies indicate that the possible defect is different from mutations in the HFE gene frequently found in Caucasians with iron overload, but the putative gene has not been identified. Recent studies also indicate that non-HFE iron overload occurs in African-Americans, but the prevalence and possible genetic basis is yet to be determined."
or: http://www.irondisorders.org/Disorders/Siderosis.asp on African iron overload (AIO): "Recent work has suggested that a genetic defect in iron regulation, together with high dietary iron consumption may be responsible for AIO. A defect in the iron transporter ferroportin, responsible for iron release from the gut and reticuloendothelial cells, is thought to be a possible cause. A mutation in the ferroportin 1 gene has been found to be common in populations of West and Southern African origin and is associated with a tendency to higher serum ferritin levels. Other mutations of this gene are associated with iron overload with a similar tissue distribution to that seen in AIO."
So we have a clearly relativized situation... not only is this phenomenon limited to" rural sub-Saharan African populations", also there is evidence of a genetic defect, different from defects in Caucasians, is the cause of this.
Anja
ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Nov 2006 11:15 GMT >>Anja L?nge wrote: So we have a clearly relativized situation... <<
Sooooo .. the situation .. which YOU .. 'say' .. doesn't .. exist .. ie: "I didn't attempt."
"I .. did NOT .. 'attempt' to .. cause disruption in your thread with my pontification and baffling with bullshit .. " ..
Buuut .. when I place a simple .. article ..
YOUR .. 'reaction' .. ?
The IMMEDIATE .. attempt to .. denigrate .. the findings ..
And HOW .. did you do this .. ?
How did you .. 'attempt' ... TO .. denigrate the .. thread .. ?
You found the word .. "May" ..
"may also be implicated in iron overload in Africans"
Now .. it seems I have found another .. fan ..
Eh .. Anja ..
It seems you have now taken it upon yourself to .. attempt .. the .. TAKE ME ON .. ?
Heh .. heh ..
Try better than .. 'may' ..
The article says .. "Excess iron due to dietary habits" .. and "possibly" .. OTHER .. ways of increased iron stores ..
"Recent studies of pedigrees suggest that, in addition to high dietary iron content, a genetic defect may also be implicated in iron overload in Africans."
And what is the treatment for iron overload .. ?
DECREASED iron INTAKE .. low iron diet .. iron reduction therapy ..
YOU.. have a problem with that .. ?
Heh .. heh ..
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Anja Länge - 07 Nov 2006 12:11 GMT > YOUR .. 'reaction' .. ? > > The IMMEDIATE .. attempt to .. denigrate .. the findings .. Wrong. I relativize it in the context, which you gave by choosing the subject "Excess iron due to dietary habits" and snipping parts of the article. The article is very specific on the sub population its results and conclusion are valid for. That aspect got lost due to some snipping of yours and missing background information.
Which is very similar to the snipping you did on iron in malaria and HIV. Coincidence?
> Eh .. Anja .. Ey... Tommy.
> The article says .. "Excess iron due to dietary habits" .. and > "possibly" .. OTHER .. ways of increased iron stores .. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > also be > implicated in iron overload in Africans." You forgot the last study I cited... they are beyond "suggest".
Anja
Anja Länge - 07 Nov 2006 12:19 GMT > YOUR .. 'reaction' .. ? > > The IMMEDIATE .. attempt to .. denigrate .. the findings .. Wrong. I relativize it in the context, which you gave by choosing the subject "Excess iron due to dietary habits" and snipping parts of the article. The article is very specific on the sub population its results and conclusion are valid for. That aspect got lost due to some snipping of yours and missing background information.
Which is very similar to the snipping you did on iron in malaria and low iron. Coincidence?
> Eh .. Anja .. Ey... Tommy.
> The article says .. "Excess iron due to dietary habits" .. and > "possibly" .. OTHER .. ways of increased iron stores .. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > also be > implicated in iron overload in Africans." You forgot the last study I cited... they are beyond "suggest".
Anja
ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Nov 2006 14:36 GMT Anja L?nge wrote:
> > YOUR .. 'reaction' .. ? > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Anja And what is the treatment for iron overload .. ?
DECREASED iron INTAKE .. low iron diet .. iron reduction therapy ..
YOU.. have a problem with that .. ?
Heh .. heh ..
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capmack@shipper.com - 07 Nov 2006 15:11 GMT The problem with most of your posts is that you don't understand so much about what it says. The conclusions you want to force from them also demands one allow the assumptions about bible codes, meat consumption, and the cause of disease. These two factors together make your conclusions and assertions either irrelevant or meaningless.
In this one for example, the "dietary habits" said to be the source of the iron in africa is not eating meat, which is eaten at very low levels if at all because of poverty, but because a kind of corn beer is made using cast iron pots. The cooking process causes iron to be leeched from the pot and enters the gut where it overwhelms the body's iron intake controls.
Iron doesn't cause hiv and hiv has nothing to do with meat consumption and your lack of knowledge about the real source of the iron makes your forced conclusions both irrelevant and meaningless. Hiv is spreading the fastest in places where meat consumption is little or none at all, such as in india and parts of south east asia and africa.
ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Nov 2006 15:25 GMT > The problem with most of your posts is that you don't understand so much > about what it says. The conclusions you want to force from them also [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the fastest in places where meat consumption is little or none at all, > such as in india and parts of south east asia and africa. Tell these guys ..
Don't tell .. me ..
What .. did I .. do this study .. ?
Of course we should all listen to .. you .. ?
Why .. ?
Give us a rundown of your .. abilities ..
Just a .. short .. bit ..
If you please ..
Seeing that we ARE on lists which seem to be attempting to alleviate medical suffering ..
Why should we listen to .. you .. as opposed to these guys .. ?
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capmack@amestwp.com - 07 Nov 2006 15:51 GMT "Tell these guys .."
They already know, eating meat has nothing to do with the cause or spread of hiv. The fastest spread of hiv is in some of those areas with lowest or no meat consumption. One more nail in the "eating meat and iron is the cause of all disease" idea coffin. There are so many nails now that finding a place for even one more is difficult.
ironjustice@aol.com - 08 Nov 2006 15:21 GMT > <<Virus Weekly -- 07/26/06>>. > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Iron balance and iron-regulatory system alterations correlate with HIV and TB disease progression Virus Weekly via NewsEdge Corporation :. 2006 JUL 25 - (NewsRx.com) -- Iron balance and iron-regulatory system alterations correlate with the progression of HIV and tuberculosis disease.
According to a recent review from England, "There are many lines of evidence illustrating that iron plays a pivotal role in modulating the battle for survival between mammalian hosts and their pathogens. Each displays considerable genetic investment in a wide range of mechanisms for acquiring and maintaining iron.
"These competitive mechanisms are highly complex, existing within an interacting matrix of absorption, transport, storage and detoxification systems, each of which are iron-responsive and thus able to adapt to the different phases of infection.".
"Considerable genetic polymorphism in some of these systems, with signals of geographic selection in the hosts, and niche selection in the pathogens, indicates that they are critical for species survival," J.M. McDermid and colleagues at the University London, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine wrote.
"In this review," said the authors, "we briefly summarize the role of iron in host immune function before reviewing the available evidence that iron modulates susceptibility and disease outcomes in HIV and TB (tuberculosis).
"We then examine the putative role of iron-related host genes by focusing on two candidate genes, haptoglobin and NRAMPI, for which there are common polymorphic variants in humans with strong evidence of functionally distinct biochemical phenotypes that would be predicted to influence the course of HIV and TB infections.".
"Finally," McDermid continued, "we examine the limited evidence so far available that nutrient-gene interactions are likely to influence the way in which gene variants can protect against infection.".
Scientists concluded that there "a wealth of evidence associating alterations in iron balance and in iron-regulatory systems with disease progression, but that many issues related to the direction of causality, mechanisms of action and sensitivity to pharmacological intervention remain to be elucidated.
"Since iron is probably the most widely prescribed compound throughout the world, used in both preventative and treatment regimens, a deeper understanding of the host-pathogen interactions relating to iron constitutes an important area for both basic and clinical research.".
McDermid and colleagues published the results of their research in Clinical Science (Iron and infection: effects of host iron status and the iron-regulatory genes haptoglobin and NRAMPI (SLCIIAI) on host-pathogen interactions in tuberculosis and HIV. Clin Sci (Lond), 2006;110(5):503-524).
For additional information, contact A.M. Prentice, University of London London School Hyg & Trop Med, Medical Research Council, International Nutrition Group, Keppel St., London WC1E 7HT, England.
The publisher of the journal Clinical Science can be contacted at: Portland Press Ltd., Third Floor, Eagle House, 16 Procter Street, London WC1V 6 Nx, England.
Keywords: London, England, HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, Iron Regulatory Genes, Host Immune Function, Iron Balance.
This article was prepared by Virus Weekly editors from staff and other reports. Copyright 2006, Virus Weekly via NewsRx.com.
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