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Peter Bowditch's Deceitfulness
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Jan Drew - 23 Oct 2006 21:59 GMT From this week's update to The Millenium Project
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/
Anti-amalgamists might not be truthful! Imagine that! (21/10/2006)
It is you who has not been truthful and still are not!
Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry.
It comes right after, I posted this:
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/FDA_hearings/advisory_panel_rejects_am...
25 Member Advisory Panel Rejects FDA Safety Report on Mercury Fillings
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ATTENTION: You have until Nov. 9th to submit your comments to the FDA docket. If you have been mercury poisoned from dental fillings submit your comments. If you testified before the FDA, you need to resubmit your comments so the public can view your testimony. Send an email to FDADock...@oc.fda.gov. In the subject line type "Docket Number - 2006N-0352". Send a copy to Mary Ann Newell at bullelk...@aol.com or Freya Koss at frek...@aol.com so we can make sure that your comments get recorded to the Docket.
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September 26, 2006 by Marie Flowers
October 9, 2006--You can now see the complete transcripts from the FDA hearings on September 6, 2003 and September 7, 2003 at http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cdrh06.html#dentalproductspanel
Mercury Fillings Safe? Mercury Fillings Unsafe?
It's all been in the news lately, "FDA Says Mercury Fillings Safe!"
Then less than a week later headlines proclaimed, "FDA Advisors: Safety of mercury fillings needs more study" or "Caution Urged on Mercury Fillings" or "Safety of Dental Fillings Questioned" or "Group Rejects Government's claim that mercury fillings are safe."
Are you confused? Did you understand the headlines about mercury fillings being unreasonable? Did you understand what you local paper reported about the "FDA not objectively and clearly presenting the current state of knowledge about mercury dental fillings?"
The FDA hearings were held at the Holiday Inn Ballroom at Gaithersburg, Maryland.
Some news reports were very confusing, since people did not understand the questions that were being answered by the FDA advisors. Some reports were fair and others had gross inaccuracies. A reporter from the Wall Street Journal concentrated more on quoting what the ADA spokesman had to say, even though the FDA and American Dental Association position on amalgam's safety had just been rejected! She completely missed the significance of what had just taken place at the FDA hearings since it appears she only sought information from the pro amalgam ADA. Dr. Mackert from the ADA told her it would take 265 to 312 amalgam fillings to reach toxic levels of mercury exposure. Another dentist from the ADA said it would take 500 fillings, all in the mouth at one time, to cause a person to be poisoned.
But realize what was happening back at ADA headquarters. Consumers for Dental Choice reported on their website---
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/
A.D.A. HQ in Panic Mode Over Vote of Two FDA Scientific Panels
Admitting that the FDA Panels vote against the safety of mercury fillings "continue[s] to generate heavy press coverage," the pro-mercury American Dental Association has sent out a panicky e-gram asking members to rally around mercury fillings. The ADA even sends members talking points based on the ADA ridiculous position that mercury is safe only when dentists use it. This pro-mercury trade group "which hides from the public the facts that it has pay-to-play endorsement contracts with amalgam manufacturers and owns at least two amalgam patents" admits to its worst nightmare: "The panel of advisers did recommend, however, that the report be rewritten, and that could will [sic] fuel efforts to restrict or ban amalgam use." I am writing my impressions of what happened at the FDA hearings, along with testimonies of people opposing the use of amalgam, or mercury dental fillings. If you want to read the ADA position, go to the ADA website. You can also download slides of pro amalgam speakers off the FDA website. The FDA web address is at the bottom of this page. So here goes.
What Really Happened at the FDA Hearing on Dental Amalgam?
On September 6 and 7, 2006 two panels to the FDA (a dental panel and neurology panel), made up of distinguished scientists convened for the sole purpose of addressing the neuro-toxicity of mercury amalgam dental fillings, better known as "silver" fillings. One panel was primarily physicians such as neurologists, MDs and a cardiologist, and the other panel was primarily dentists. There was an array of scientist-consultants (professor of biostatistics, consultant for anti-epileptic drugs, toxicologists.) All of them are credentialed in their fields, and all must pass FDA ethics requirements before being appointed.
I testified before the 25 Member panel on September 6th as one of the victims of mercury poisoning from "silver" amalgam dental fillings, which are actually 50% mercury and only 25% silver, along with zinc, tin and copper . Except for one holistic BIOLOGICAL dentist from Durham, NC, Dr. Michael Fleming, the panel of outside advisors to the FDA consisted of traditional (not alternative) doctors.
We are very blessed to have Dr. Fleming on the dental advisory panel for the next 3 ½ years. This is the very first time the FDA has had any dentist that is not pro amalgam. To date, the FDA has not issued any warnings about dental amalgam because their dentistry branch is made up of ADA dentists who maintain the old party line that silver fillings are safe, because "We have placed billions of them, and we have been using them for over 150 years."
Charlie Brown, general counsel for Consumers for Dental Choice (www.toxicteeth.org) brought lawsuits against the FDA for failing to classify dental mercury as safe. Brown quotes in his petition to the FDA to ban mercury fillings in pregnant women, "Based on the latest Centers for Disease Control data, scientists for the US Environmental Protection Agency have found that one American woman of childbearing age in eight already has so much mercury in her body she is at risk of having a brain-damaged baby."
Dental devices are supposed to be tested and classified as safe before they are placed on the market, but in the case of amalgam fillings, they were "grandfathered" into use without ever being tested by the FDA. Yet the American Dental Association has their "seal of acceptance" on the silver fillings and has patents on them.
Charlie Brown of Consumers for Dental Choice, Press Release
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/
Peter's reply was insults, plus his control problem. Telling me that it was not headlines. Which is a LIE! The FDA hearings most certainly are headlines.
I have the right to post to whatever groups, I deem necessary.
I am continually being told that the American Dental Association keeps the formula for dental amalgam secret, that no research has ever been done into the safety of dental amalgam, and that even some dentists don't know that it contains mercury. I know, I know, these statements are ludicrous,
Which is the norm for you! Lies, lies, and more lies.
but ludicrosity has never stopped an anti-amalgam campaigner from making a claim.
What claim?
I have also been told that alternatives to amalgam have only been available since the 1970s, presumably because the ADA strongly resisted their introduction and use before then.
Told by whom? Prove that as well.
To get access to medical texts and recent journals I use the library at Westmead Hospital.
The Children's Hospital at Westmead, Australia is a stand-alone service dedicated to paediatrics. It provides community medical care and paediatric.
(As a bonus to the free use of journals, the walk from my house also counts towards my exercise quota.) Whenever I am there I check the shelf of used books for sale. These are usually very much out of date, but sometimes I pick up something which fits my interest in the history of medicine. The last time I was there I found a book published in 1966 by the ADA called Guide to Dental Materials. Remarkably for a book published before alternatives to amalgams were supposedly available and were still being suppressed by the ADA there are chapters about resins and cements - primitive stuff, but hardly suppressed or hidden.
The ADA, that is laughable. *Organized dentistry* LIES!
Remember how the ADA hides the dangers of mercury and even tries to prevent dentists finding out about it?
That makes another claim for you to prove.
Well, here is a passage from page 21 of this 40-year-old book. The secret formula for making amalgam is on page 109, under the heading "American Dental Association specification number 1 for alloy for dental amalgam". And I was able to buy this book for $1!
"Mercury-Vapor Hygiene.
"At one time there was considerable discussion about the possibility of toxic effects of mercury vapor given off by amalgam fillings. Although there are a few reported incidents of sensitivity to amalgam, the toxic effects of mercury vapor in dental practice were shown by Souder and Sweeney to be not significant. This has been confirmed by others. A very comprehensive review was published by Frykholm in 1957. Mercury does give off small amounts of vapor
That's funny the ADA *organized dentistry* got caught in that lie*. Stating Mercury amalgams is LOCKED safely in the metal bonds in the teeth. http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/amalgam.htm,
then--they make up a bigger lie which is above.
http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUIAOMT1.txt
http://www.iaomt.org/merc_release.swf
under normal atmospheric conditions but this stops as soon as mercury becomes coated with saliva.
Wrong! Another lie!
However, it is considered good hygiene to use well ventilated offices and to collect excess mercury during amalgamation and placement of fillings.
Note the words* good hygiene*.
Actually, that is not the reason. And Peter knows it. This shows his deceitfulness.
It is, of course, good practice not to spill the mercury promiscuously around the office.
Why is that?
In addition to mercury vapor hygiene,
The dangers of mercury vapor are not reported by Peter.
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~rgammal/Are_Dentist_Really_Healthy.html
Are Dentist Really Healthy ?
Dentists have;
a.. Twice the rate of Glioblastoma than the rest of the population b.. Twice the suicide and divorce rate. c.. IQ., Psychomotor, Psycho-emotional tests less than average compared to the rest of the population d.. Impaired Fine Motor Skills e.. Of all dentists who currently have a long-term disability, 20% are away from their practice because of a mental or nervous problem. (J Can Dent May 1994; Vol.60, No.5 ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Guide to Safer Dentistry
Written by Robert Gammal Oct 1999
Knowledge about the danger of mercury is growing rapidly. If you have ideas about how to further aid the health of the dental profession please let me know and I will be happy to include your suggestions. E-mail to rgammal@bcd.com.au
One of the most widely acknowledged and saddest facts that we are all taught is that dentists have one of the highest suicide rates of all professions. We are taught that this is because we work in a high stress profession and that the patients are the main cause of that stress. I believed this myth for many years without realizing what the true stressor in dentistry is. It is horrific that this myth is perpetuated to this day. I do not believe that dentistry is a higher stress profession than that of fire fighting, ambulance or police. I think that doctors working in casualty wards are under far greater stress. All we have to do is look after teeth. Unfortunately all that we are taught to do is be molar mechanics. Although we sometimes have patients who are difficult to deal with, we often forget that sometimes we also are difficult to deal with.
Dental amalgam with its constant release of mercury represents the greatest health risk to all dental personnel of all of the range of materials and practices in dentistry. Many of us have been brainwashed into believing that dental amalgam is safe for the patient and that a few precautionary measures are enough to safe guard the dentist. Although the Australian Dental Association would like us to believe that this is scientific I believe that their statements about amalgam safety are insufficient and inaccurate. When I started to read the scientific literature I would ask, how is it that the universities are still teaching us to use this material and not warn us about the dangers? Surely they would not try to intentionally mislead us!!! It is inconceivable that this may be possible after all we have put great faith in our professors and deans who surely should know the difference between safety and danger and moral obligation to tell the truth. Sorry folks but it is time to change the paradigm and realize that all research and tenured university positions must be paid for. It is time to realize that even the professors have things to lose by not towing the official party doctrine.
For many years I have talked about the dangers of amalgam to patients. I have been instrumental in forming the Australian Society of Oral Medicine and Toxicology and running conferences with internationally renowned speakers to try and educate the dental and other professions about the dangers of different aspects of dentistry. I do not believe that there has yet been any teaching about how to keep the dentists healthy.
Each one of us has a choice to make about allowing the myth to be perpetuated. If dentistry is really so stressful than why are solutions not being sought. Valium and Seropax do not save lives - neither do Prozac or Viagra. The greatest stressor in dentistry is not money, angry patients, difficult nurses or a lousy matrix band. The greatest stressor in dentistry is mercury! I find it quite amazing that as a group of people who are dedicated to helping others we are not taught how to look after our own health. We are not even given the slightest hint that our own health may be adversely affected by the very materials we use on our patients.
Amalgam
I have no intention in this paper to discuss all of the dangers of this material as this is well documented in many other places. Two sites to check for this material with many links are www.bcd.com.au and www.asomat.com.
This paper is about how amalgam effects dental personnel.
Mercury is the third most toxic substance known to mankind after lead and arsenic. It is odorless, tasteless and in vapor form is also invisible. It will effect every function of the human body in particular the nervous system. It will have a devastating effect on the immune system. It can have severe and adverse effects on the reproductive system and endocrine system. It can devastate heart muscle where it is stored in horrifyingly high levels and is associated with idiopathic heart disease. Mercury will effect vision.
The type of poisoning, which occurs in dentistry, is not usually large acute exposures. It is long term low-level, cumulative exposure known as micromercurialism, whose earliest symptoms are subclinical neurological and as such frequently misdiagnosed in both the dental and medical professions. It causes a type of madness that emerges in simple ways such as throwing an impression across the surgery when it does not work or believing that the nurse is constantly ripping you off. Please do not think that I advocate the notion that mercury is the cause of all disease and psychological and emotional difficulty. It is merely one of the most overlooked of causes. Amalgam and mercury hygiene should go far beyond not handling the material with your hands and having good ventilation. Why is it, do you think, that we are not allowed to dispose of waste amalgam in the sewerage, drain water or garbage cans? Why is it that we must store amalgam under photographic fixer in a sealed glass jar? Why is it that we must dispose of this material as toxic waste? Why is it that the only place that we can store this material LEGALLY is in somebody's mouth? And yet our great professors tell us that it is safe. Our dental associations advocate the safety of amalgam. The really insane part of this whole debacle is that it is not only the patients who suffer but the very members of the profession and dental association who really should be protected by these organizations. Is the Australian Dental Association advocating the destruction of its own membership?
As in any case of poisoning it is important to first remove the patient from the source of the poisoning and then detoxify the body from that poison. Next we must repair the damage done by that toxin if we are to regain full healing.
Remove Yourself From the Toxin.
Immediately stop using amalgam as a filling material
Every time an amalgam is triturated a vast cloud of mercury vapour is formed. Even if the capsules are perfectly sealed, they must still be opened to remove the contents. Usually this is done by the dental nurse and it is she who is most exposed to the vapour at this time, but really everyone in the room is also exposed. Packing the amalgam filling, even with high volume suction running in the mouth will also create high levels of mercury vapor. You are sitting in the center of this cloud. Using automatic amalgam pluggers is particularly dangerous. The simple rule to start looking after yours and your staff's health is simply to never place another amalgam filling.
After you have made this commitment it is essential to clean your workplace. If you have ever had in the past a mercury spill you must get hold of a mercury vapour meter and check the vapour levels. You may find that you need to replace the floor coverings and some equipment. You may find that the levels of mercury vapour are so high that the building itself will be shut down - this is not a joke (see the OSHA and ATSDR and USEPA standards to see how little is needed to close down a factory). Even the Australian Dental Association have advocated that mercury levels in surgeries should be checked yet ironically after several calls to their offices over the years they have not been able to tell me how to go about doing this.
I am not joking about this - it is essential to clean your environment of all traces of mercury.
Dispose of all hand instruments that were used to pack amalgam and possibly some that were used to carve it.
Ensure that your autoclave is free of mercury. Never allow any instruments that have been used to pack amalgam anywhere near an autoclave as the vapour levels created are astronomical and the whole of your premises will be polluted.
Dispose of all waste amalgam containers. If you have been storing it in a draw (Don't laugh - even one of our hospitals has been doing this) you should consider disposing of your cabinetry and getting new draws. Never keep any such containers even if they did belong to the last ten dentists. The vibe of sentimentality may carry the dangers of mercury poisoning
Dispose of all instruments that have been used to handle amalgam. This includes machinery that is used to triturate the material. It cannot be cleaned and will remain a long-term source of mercury vapour. Dispose of all amalgam carriers and other such devices. Dispose of them as toxic waste and if you cannot do this send them by courier to your local university or dental association. I am all for giving the problem back to its creator.
Amalgam Removal
Firstly learn the correct protocols for both your patients and your own wellbeing. When removing amalgam with a high-speed bur you will create a huge cloud of mercury vapour. You will also create a huge cloud of microscopic particles, which are fully respirable.
The safest way of protecting yourself and your staff from this source of mercury is to minimize exposure and inhalation. If you wear a paper mask you will prevent some of the inhalation of the larger amalgam particles. The vapour will pass straight through. The particles of amalgam will stick to the surface of the mask and the temperature of your breath will act on these particles very quickly so that within a half-minute the vapour levels inside the mask may be higher than in the surrounding room air. If all you have is a paper mask you must ensure that you dispose of this mask as soon as the last bit of amalgam is removed. I know of some dentists who wear a mask all day and a few others who wear the same mask for the week. This is a lethal practice. Paper masks are not that expensive and if you believe that they are than pass on the cost to your patients - after all it is your health that is suffering. Ensure that all dental personnel follow this practice.
Far better than a paper mask for protection from the mercury vapour are special masks from 3M, which are designed for this purpose.
The best way to prevent inhalation is to wear a full respiratory mask that will feed medical gasses (compressed sterile air) over your nose and mouth with some positive pressure. This will ensure that none can get into your respiratory passages. In my opinion this is the only way to go and thankfully it is not terribly expensive to set up a surgery with this equipment.
Mercury is easily transported through latex and skin. Gloves must be changed between patients. Wear a disposable hair cap when drilling amalgam. Wash your hair every day to remove amalgam particles that you will otherwise take home and will end up on your spouses pillow or worse.
Do NOT wash your uniforms in the family wash load as you may contaminate the rest of your family.
Splatter guards that many dentists are in love with are completely useless to prevent inhalation.
Minimize your production of mercury and microscopic amalgam particles by following some simple steps;
a. Use cross cut tungsten burs only to cut amalgam. This will cut the amalgam very quickly and shatter it as well so that large pieces fly out. Using a diamond bur will extend the cutting time and thus produce far more vapour. Minimize the amount of grinding that you do.
b. Cut the amalgam into sections rather than grinding your way through it.
c. Use copious amounts of water on the bur while cutting - Triplex spray as well as regular water from the drill.
d. Use very strong suction next to the tooth. This can be achieved by purchasing special suction tips called 'cleanups' which are available from BioProbe in America. These tips are designed to cover the tooth and provide drill access at the same time. They work very well.
e. Never polish old amalgams and never use an ultrasonic scaler on amalgam fillings.
f. Old used burs will not be anywhere near as effective as new ones.
g. Remember that all friction on amalgam will induce the release of mercury. Placing gold in a mouth with mercury will cause an increase in electrical currents in all amalgam fillings and thus an increase in the amount of mercury released from amalgam
Check your Suction.
It is imperative that all dental suction units be vented out of the building. All air that is sucked out of the patient's mouth has to go somewhere. It is almost impossible to filter out mercury vapour. Suction units, which exhaust inside a building, will thoroughly contaminate the air in the building.
Negative Ion Generators
It is worth also investing in high quality and powerful Negative Ion Generators - they are very effective in removing mercury vapour and microparticles from the air. Although expensive they are worth every cent. It is amazing the difference that these units can make. The quality of the air is so different when my units are switched on, every body's mood and awakeness improve within 10 minutes.
Some of these units also come with air filters. The good ones are very effective. Make sure that the air filters are changes at regular service intervals.
Vacuum suction over patient.
Units also exist which are like huge vacuum cleaners with a suction opening that sits over the patient's face. These are reputed to suck most of the mercury vapour away.
Amalgam and Autoclaves
Never allow any instruments that were used to place amalgam come into contact with an autoclave. You will create an enormous cloud of mercury vapour which will pollute your whole office environment and in particular the will effect the dental assistant who works near the autoclave.
Remove all amalgam fillings from your own mouth.
There is no doubt that the greatest single source of mercury to the general population is from their amalgam fillings. This applies to dentists as well. Not only are you being exposed to work related levels of mercury but you are also getting it from your own fillings. If you really wish therefore to be detoxing from mercury you must get it removed from your own mouth as well. Remember that mercury is a cumulative poison and the body does not care where the mercury comes from it will just as happily store it anyway.
Experience the difference and have them removed by a colleague who does know what they are doing. It is imperative that the correct protocols be observed. There is no reason why you should be treated differently to the rest of the world.
Removing the amalgam fillings from your mouth is only the first step in cleaning up your body. All that it does is eliminate one of the greatest sources of mercury to your body. It is like turning of the taps but now you also have to remove it from your body - ie empty the bathtub after you have turned the taps off
Detox Procedures
If you read through the amalgam removal protocols you will see that we recommend to all of our patients that they use dietary supplements of certain vitamins, antioxidants and mercury scavengers to help remove mercury and other heavy metals from their bodies. This is usually recommended for a couple of weeks before amalgam removal and at least 6 to 8 months after the amalgam is removed. The assumption is that for most of our patients the exposure to mercury will cease once the amalgam is removed. NOT so for dentists.
Any dentist who is exposed to any form of mercury - even if it is to drill out the odd amalgam - should remain on these sorts of supplements ALL OF THE TIME.
It may also be worth considering a speedier way of removing mercury from your body. This involves the use of DMPS and DMSA as chelating agents, which will assist the process. In Australia this must be done under medical supervision. The most common ways of detoxing is these above two techniques. There are many other techniques which are used by different people, and have all shown beneficial results they include cholonic irrigation, lymphatic drainage massage, herbs both western and Chinese, gentle exercise, fresh coriander, fasting, Vibrational medicine.
Chelation
The use of chelation for the removal of heavy metals is an old technique. Although there is debate in the medical world about its effectiveness there is no doubt in the minds of the practitioners using it or the patients who undergo this treatment. There is almost always a marked improvement in health.
For many years the only chelating agents that were allowed in Australia by the TGA were Vitamin C (although not a true chelator) and EDTA. Although EDTA will remove some amalgam, a number of studies have shown that EDTA/Mercury combination may be more neurotoxic than mercury alone.
More recently the medical profession have been given permission to use DMPS and DMSA which have been used in the eastern block countries for 50 years with great success.
For information in Australia about how to find a doctor in your area who may be experienced in chelation treatment you can contact the Australian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (http://www.acnem.org/ 13 Hilton Street, Beaumaris, Victoria 3193, Australia Phone: +613 9589 6088 Fax: +613 9589 5158, E-mail: acnem@mail.austasia.net)
Supplementation
The field of dietary supplementation is I believe still in its infancy and as we learn more we are finding an increasing number of substances which assist in this process. The ability to chose which is best for you may be in part a matter of trial and error (although if there is an error it is usually of minimal consequence and certainly not of the order of serious side effects as from prescription medications). It is essential that the supplements be continued indefinitely if you are constantly exposed to mercury.
Some of the basic supplements you should consider adding to your daily routine are;
Vitamin C 1.5g/day
Multivitamin B complex
Selenium 200-400mcg/day
Chlorella tablets or pills
LM1 or Toxicol tablets
Homeopathic Amalgam and Mercury - Warning
Many dentists and doctors have used homeopathic to treat their patients. Unless you know a really first rate homeopath I would recommend strongly that you avoid using homeopathic mercury or homeopathic amalgam. The problem is not that they don't work but rather that they may work too well. Many of us have seen the people who have done well but also those that have crashed severely using these preparations. It appears that too much mercury may be mobilized at a time when the body is not able to excrete it fast enough.
Disposal of Amalgam
There are a number of simple steps;
Ensure that no amalgam is stored anywhere but in a sealed glass jar under photographic fixer. NEVER store it anywhere else. The nurse who does this job must be educated to understand the full significance of this.
It is illegal to place it into the sewerage, drain water or garbage.
Never place any instrument with amalgam on it in any increased temperature situation.
Due to its mercury content it is wise to treat amalgam as the third most toxic substance known to mankind.
Never keep it in your premises.
An alternate, though not so nice an option, is to send your waste amalgam to the dental associations and universities who continue to promote its safety!
Recognizing the Symptoms you thought had other causes
It is easy to take a headache pill and get stronger eyeglasses. It is easy to see a psychiatrist to treat your growing depression. It is easy to blame every other car driver for being an idiot. It is easy to seek medical advice about those palpitations and nightmares. It is a quantum leap in thinking to realize that part of these symptoms may be caused by the mercury coming from your own fillings and the environment you have been working in all of your career life.
The earliest symptoms of low level, long term mercury poisoning, (micromercurialism) have long been known to be subclinical neurological in nature. Even the dental associations have known this as evidenced by the following;
"Mercury Contamination In the Dental Office. A Review. NYS Dental Journal November 1979 pp 457-458"
The symptoms of mercury poisoning from chronic inhalation develop gradually and thus, may be difficult to notice. With the exception of tremor, the symptoms may be ignored by the victim or attributed to other causes. This lack of awareness is particularly likely in the case of erethism, a condition characterized by;
· irritability,
· outbursts of temper,
· excitability,
· shyness,
· resentment of criticism,
· headache,
· fatigue, and
· indecision.
Erethism is the most difficult manifestation of mercury poisoning to evaluate, especially if tremors are absent, and its symptoms may be attributed to anxiety or neurasthenia.
Other general symptoms associated with mercury poisoning include
· weakness, unusual fatigue, loss of weight, loss of appetite, insomnia
and gastrointestinal disturbances.
A condition known as Micromercurialism, is said to account for psychological changes observed in persons frequently exposed to low concentrations of mercury in the air, concentrations found in the majority of dental offices surveyed. The syndrome is characterized by
· decreased productivity, loss of memory, loss of self confidence, depression, fatigue and irritability .."
The early symptoms are subclinical neurologic and may include;
· Fatigue - physical and mental
· Lack of initiative
· Loss of short term memory
· Lack of concentration
· Poor to no decision making ability
· Irrational obsession, Compulsions
· Timidity and lack of self confidence
· Grave depression
· Rapid mood changes, sudden anger
· Unexplainable fear of death
· Hallucinations
· Shyness and timidity
· Tendency to isolation
· Suicidal feelings
More severe symptoms are related to long term exposure and may involve many other areas of the body including immune dysfunction, infertility, and heart disease.
Caulk Co., one of the largest manufacturers of dental amalgam include a large array of symptoms caused by mercury poisoning on their Material Safety Data Sheet for Dispersalloy. It is incredible that the manufacturer acknowledges dangers that both the universities and the Australian Dental Association ignore. The following is from the MSDS;
"Inhalation: Acute: Inhalation of a high concentration of mercury vapor can cause almost immediate dyspnea, cough, fever, nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, stomatitis, salivation, metallic taste, gingivitis, and cardiac abnormalities. Respiratory irritation may occur with chest pain and tightness. Symptoms may re solve or may progress to necrotizing bronchiolitis, pneumonitis, pulmonary edema, pneumothorax, interstitial fibrosis, and death. Acidosis and renal damage may also occur. Allergic reactions that may occur in previously exposed persons include dermatitis, encephalitis, and death. Metal fume fever, an influenza-like illness, may occur due to the inhalation of freshly formed metal oxide particles sized below 1.5 microns and usually between 0.02-0.05 microns. Symptoms may be delayed 4-12 hours and begin with a sudden onset of thirst, and a sweet, metallic or foul taste in the mouth. Other symptoms may include upper respiratory tract irritation accompanied by coughing and a dryness of the mucous membranes, lassitude and a generalized feeling of malaise. Fever, chills, muscular pain, mild to severe headache, nausea, occasional vomiting, exaggerated mental activity, profuse sweating, excessive urination, diarrhea and prostration may also occur. Tolerance to fumes develops rapidly, but is quickly lost. All symptoms usually subside within 24-36 hours.
Inhalation: Chronic: Inhalation of mercury vapor over a long period may cause mercurialism which is characterized by fine tremors and erethism. Tremors may affect the hands first, but may also become evident in the face, arms, and legs. Erethism may be manifested by abnormal shyness, blushing, self-consciousness, depression or despondency resentment of criticism, irritability or excitability, headache, fatigue, and insomnia. In severe cases, hallucinations, loss of memory, and mental deterioration may occur. Concentrations as low and 0.03 mg/m3 have induced psychiatric symptoms in humans. Renal involvement may be indicated by proteinuria, albuminuria, enzymuria, and anuria. Other effects may include salivation, gingivitis, stomatitis, loosening of the teeth, blue lines on the gums, diarrhea, chronic pneumonitis and mild anemia. Repeated exposure to mercury and its compounds may result in sensitization. Intrauterine exposure may result in tremors and involuntary movements in the infants. Mercury is excreted in breast milk. Paternal reproductive effects and effects on fertility have been reported in male rats following repeated inhalation exposures.
Skin contact: Acute : Direct contact with liquid may cause irritation and redness. Small amounts of mercury may be absorbed through intact skin. Allergic reactions that may occur in previously exposed persons include dermatitis, encephalitis, and death. Subcutaneous introduction, from handling broken thermometers, may result in local inflammation, granulomatous skin reactions, and slight signs of mercury poisoning including digestive disorders, metallic taste in the mouth, and neuropsychic disorders.
Skin contact: Chronic: prolonged or repeated exposure may result in dermal sensitization and systemic effects as detailed in chronic inhalation exposure. Skin contact: First aid: Remove contaminated clothing and shoes immediately. Wash affected area with soap or mild detergent and large amounts of water until no evidence of chemical remains (approximately 15-20 minutes). Get medical attention immediately. "
Staff Relationships
It is easy for dentists to get caught up in treating the patient and expecting life to be difficult. As dentists we rely heavily on the assistance and support of our staff. It is therefore illogical to think that we may be effected by mercury and our staff not. In fact it is usually the dental nurse who has a far greater exposure to mercury than the dentist. It is only a matter of time before there is a legal situation whereby workers compensation is a serious issue. Female dental personnel will have the same neurologic symptoms as the dentist. There is also a far greater incidence of infertility, miscarriage and menstrual problems in female dental personnel compared to the rest of the female population. It is imperative that the dental personnel are offered the same level of protection as the dentist.
You may find that you not only have a happier work place but also that you will have a staff who love you for taking care of their health.
Support of political changes
As dentists we are taught that we have a responsibility to keep abreast of clinical and research developments and to share information with our colleagues. It is also I believe our responsibility to keep our profession honest. Not only should each one of use read the literature but we should take an active role to educate our colleagues and point out inconsistencies between the literature and the often different official position. How can people who belittle the scientific research also be our represented spokespeople. The two are not compatible. Make your voice heard - take a stand. Support an Organization who is trying to look after your wellbeing.
Some abstracted references
1) Rowland AS et al The effect of occupational exposure to mercury vapour on the fertility of female dental assistants Occup Environ Med (1994 Jan) 51(1):28-34
Sample of 418 women. ental assistants not working with amalgam - unexposed controls.
The fecundability (probability of conception each menstrual cycle) of women who prepared 30 or more amalgams per week was only 63% of that for unexposed women.
2) Sikorski R et al .Women in dental surgeries: reproductive hazards in occupational exposure to metallic mercury. Int Arch Occup Environ Health (1987) 59(6):551-7
3) JADA Vol. 122 August 1991 By Irwin Mandel DDS Assoc. Dean for Research School of Dental and Oral Surgery Colombia University New York
"rates of spontaneous abortion or non-congenital abnormalities in children during this period, were higher in respondents exposed to high levels of mercury in the dental environment than those exposed to low levels."
4) Gordon HP, Cordon LD: reduction in mercury vapour levels in Seattle dental offices. J Dent Res Abstract 1092 57A:347, 1981.
Female dentists had a higher rate of spontaneous abortions then a control of female medical personnel or the rest of the population. The Peri-Natal Mortality Rate for the female dentists was significantly higher than for the rest of the population -19.5 / 1000 as compared to 7.5 / 1000.
5) Glioblastomas
In a study of 9,241 people 3454 were male dentists 1125 female dentists, 4662 female dental nurses;
A TWO fold increased risk of Glioblastomas for the dental personnel compared to the rest of the population.
6) Nylander et al.Fourth international symposium Epidemiology in Occupational Health.,Como Italy Sept 1985
Urinary mercury levels for 4,272 U.S. dentists who participated in the Health Assessment Programs held at the ADA annual sessions (1975-1983) had a mean level of 14.2 ug/L with a range of 0 to 556 ug/L.
19.1% are over the maximum normal measurement of 20 ugHg/L
10.9% are over the C.D.C. maximum acceptable level of 30 ugHg/L
4.9% are over 50 ugHg/L, the level found to cause induced tremors
1.3% are over 100 ugHg/L, the level found to cause tremors
7) Akesson, et al Archives of Environmental Health, March-April 1991 v46 n2 p102(8)
Status of mercury and selenium in dental personnel: Impact of amalgam work and own fillings.
"In the group of dental personnel, the effect of their own amalgam fillings on Hg concentrations....was as important as their occupational exposure to Hg."
Higher U-Hg levels were found in nurses than in dentists
U-Hg - significantly associated with duration of employment
An increase in age was accompanied by a concomitant increase in B-Hg
Total Amalgam Surface Area and U-Hg had the highest correlation
8) Joel Butler Professor of Psychology at the University of North Texas 1
Fifty one dentists and dental personnel were studied on standardized tests which revealed there were a significant number who measured in the abnormal range;
> 90% Some Motor Tremor 41.7% Some Psychomotor Dysfunction
16.7% Severe Psychomotor Dysfunction
57.9% Impaired Immediate recall
> 84% Auditory Memory Impaired 52.6% Visual Memory & Visual Motor reduced
52% Vigilance, Attention, Concentration and Cognitive Comprehension impaired
36.4% Work and lives felt rather pointless
52.6% tactile Sensory Dysfunction / inability to locate finger position
78.9% Logical Thinking and story recall impaired
68.4% Spatial and visual memory impaired
27.3% History of unsatisfying interpersonal relationships
72% Out of Norm on the Emotional Stability Scale
27.3% Suicidal Depression, Disgust with life, Despondency and despair
30% Increased states of Agitation
42.4% Increased scores on the Psychopathic Scale
This study concludes that as a group, dentists are, after a number of years, at least one standard deviation below the rest of the population. This is an enormous and significant drop!
9) Echeverria, D; et al Behavioral Effects of Low-Level Exposure to Hg° Among Dentists. Neurotoxicology and Teratology. 17(2):161-168, 1995.
Urine mercury Levels Directly related to;
Reduced Concentration
Emotional instability
Fine Motor Function Seriously effected
Evidence of subtle pre-clinical changes in behavior associated with Hg exposure
10) Gonzalez-Ramirez, D. Et al. Urinary mercury, porphyrins and neurobehavioral changes in dental workers in Monterrey, Mexico. J Pharmacol Exp Therap. 272:264-274,1995
"The mean urinary mercury level after the DMPS challenge was adversely and statistically associated with functions related to
complex attention,
psychomotor task,
mood and symptoms
in a linear dose-effect manner."
11) Shapiro, et al. and Ship II, et al. reported the relation between cumulative exposure to mercury and chronic health impairment.
"298 dentists. 30% of the high mercury dentists had polyneuropathies. No polyneuropathies were detected in the control group. The high mercury group had mild visuographic dysfunction; they also had more symptom-distress than did the control group.
These findings suggest that the use of mercury as a restorative material
is a health risk for dentists."
Some further reading:
Mercury in pituitary glands of dentists Nylander: Lancet (1986 Feb 22) 1(8478):442
Akesson I Lundborg G Horstmann V Skerfving S Neuropathy in female dental personnel exposed to high frequency vibrations. Occup Environ Med (1995 Feb) 52(2):116-23
Mercury exposure of different origins among dentists and dental nurses. Skare: Scand J Work Environ Health (1990 Oct) 16(5):340-7
Neuropsychological Dysfunctioning Associated with the Dental Office Environment is a study by Joel Butler , Professor of Psychology at the University of North Texas.
Wood RW, Weiss AB, Weiss B: Hand tremor induced by industrial exposure to inorganic mercury. Arch Environ Health 26:249-52,1973.
Manlyla DG, Wright OD: Mercury toxicily in the dental of fice: a neglected problem. JADA 92:1189-94,1976,
Gordon HP, Cordon LD: reduclion in mercury vapour levels in Seattle dental of fices. J Dent Res Abstract 1092 57A:347, 1981.
Blocll P. Shaplro IM: Summary of the international conference on mercury hazards in dental practice. JADA 104:489-90, 1982.
Shapiro IM, Sumner AJ, Spilz LK, Cornblath DR, Uzzell B. Ship II, Bloch P: Neurophysiological and neuropsychological function in mercury-exposed dentists. Lancet 8282:1147-50,1982.
Ship II, Shapiro IM: Mercury poisoning in dental practice. Compendium Continuing Educalion 4: 107- 110,1983.
Edilor: How mercury poisoning al'fecled one dentist. Dent Survey 49:64, 1973.
Miller JM, Chaffin DB, Smith RG: Subclinical psychomotor and neuromuscular changes in workers exposed to inorganic mercury. A Indus Hyg Assoc J 36:725-33,1975.
Lyer K, Goodgold J. Eberstein A, Berg P: Mercury poisoning in a dentist. Arch Neurol 33:788-90, 1976.
Merfield DP, Taylor A, Gemmell DM, Parrish JA: Mercury intoxication in a dental surgery following unreported spillagc. BrilDentJ 141:179-86,1976.
Barber TE: Inorganic mercury inloxication reminiscent of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. J Occupat Med 20:667-9,1978.
Smith Jr DL: Mental effects of mercury poisoning. South Med J 71:904-5, 1978.
Langolf GD, Chaffin DB, Henderson R. Whittle HP: Evaluation of workers exposed to elemental mercury using quantitative lests of tremor and neuromuscular functions. Am Ind Hyg Assoc 39(12):976-84, 1978.
Zweben LL: Mercury poisoning: A case history. J New Jersey Dent Assoc 10-1, Winter 1978.
Albers JW, Cavender GD, Levine SP, Langolf GD: Asymptomatic sensorimotor polyneuropathy in workers exposed to elemental mercury. Neurology 32:1168-74,1982.
Adams CR, Ziegler DK, Lin JT: Mercury intoxication simulating amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. J Amer Med Assoc 250:642-3,1983.
Cook TA, Yates PO: Fatal mercury intoxication in dental surgery assistant. Br Dent J 127:553-5,1969.
Ritchie, KA; MacDonald, EB; Hammersly, R; McGowan, DA; Dale, IM; Wesnes, K. Psychomotor Testing of Dentists with Chronic Low-Level Mercury Exposure. J Dent Res. 74(S1):420, A-160.
Echeverria, D; Heyer, NJ; Martin, MD; Naleway, CA; Woods, JS; Bittner AC, Jr. Behavioral Effects of Low-Level Exposure to Hg° Among Dentists. Neurotoxicology and Teratology. 17(2):161-168, 1995.
D. Gonzalez-Ramirez, et al., 1995
Shapiro, IM; et al. Neurophysiological and neuroDsvchological function in mercury exposed dentists. Lancet, 1(8282):1147-1150, 1982.
Uzzell, BP; et al. Chronic low-level mercury exposure and neuropsychological functioning. J Clin Exp Neuropsych. 8(5): 581-593, 1986.
Foo, SC; Ngim, CH; Salleh, I; Jeyaratnam, J; Boey, KW. Neurobehavioral Effects in Occupational Chemical Exposure. Environ Res. 1993, Feb. 60(2): 267-73.
Ngim CH, Foo SC, Boey KW and Jeyartnam J. Chronic neurobehavioral effects of elemental mercury in dentists. British Journal of Industrial Medicine 49:782-790, 1992.
Cross et al., 1978.Blood of Dentists, Lancet, 312, Aug.. 5, 1978
Cutright D.E., Miller R.A. and Battistone G.C.: Systemic Mercury Levels Caused by Inhaling Mist During High-Speed Amalgam Grinding, J. Oral Med. 28, 100, 1973
Rubber Dam Must Be Used When Removing Amalgam
Particulate Inhalation during the removal of amalgam restorations. Nimo A., WerleyMS., Martin JS., Tansy F. J. Pros. Dent. Feb 1990
Particulate Inhalation in Dentists
Dentists were exposed to moderate amounts of fully respirable particles for all conditions tested.
Particles become lodged in Terminal Bronchi & lower in respiratory tract
Dentists exposed over a long period of time
Particulate Inhalation during the removal of amalgam restorations. Nimo A., WerleyMS., Martin JS., Tansy F. J. Pros. Dent. Feb 1990
"Water coolant and suction had little effect on dentists exposure to respirable particles"
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15721/story.htm
LONDON - Dentists are more likely to suffer memory and kidney problems which could be due to long-term exposure to mercury in tooth fillings, doctors said today.
A study of 180 dentists by researchers at the Glasgow Royal Infirmary in Scotland found they had up to four times the normal level of mercury in their urine and nails and had more kidney disorders and memory lapses than the general public. "We found several differences in the health and cognitive functioning between our dentists and the control group," Dr Ewan Macdonald said in a report in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
"These differences could not be directly attributed to their exposure to mercury, but as mercury exposure at higher levels is known to cause similar health effects an association cannot be ruled out," he added.
Mercury has been used in dentistry for about 150 years but some dentists and researchers believe the fillings can give off harmful vapours that can be dangerous for dentists and patients.
Critics of the fillings claim the mercury can poison the body and lead to health problems affecting the kidneys and other organs and neurological diseases such as Alzheimer's.
But dental associations say it is safe when mixed with other metals and there are no scientific studies to prove a link between the filling and health problems.
The researchers in Glasgow compared mercury levels in urine, hair and nail samples and the results of psychomotor skills, response times, word recall and health problems of the 180 dentists and an equal number of volunteers.
The dentists had higher levels of the metal in their bodies, reported more health problems and did worse on the tests than the volunteers.
"The prevalence of self reported renal disease and memory disorders reflects other reports and suggests that these may be occupationally related," Macdonald added.
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~rgammal/Are_Dentist_Really_Healthy.html
http://tinyurl.com/ccz3
Health and neuropsychological functioning of dentists exposed to mercury.
Ritchie KA, Gilmour WH, Macdonald EB, Burke FJ, McGowan DA, Dale IM, Hammersley R, Hamilton RM, Binnie V, Collington D.
Institute of Hearing Research (Scottish Section), Glasgow Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, Scotland, UK. k...@ihr.gla.ac.uk
OBJECTIVES: A cross sectional survey of dentists in the west of Scotland and unmatched controls was conducted to find the effect of chronic exposure to mercury on health and cognitive functioning. METHODS: 180 dentists were asked to complete a questionnaire that included items on handling of amalgam, symptoms experienced, possible influences on psychomotor function, and the 12 item general health questionnaire. Dentists were asked to complete a dental chart of their own mouths and to give samples of urine, hair, and nails for mercury analysis. Environmental measurements of mercury in dentists' surgeries were made and participants undertook a package of computerised psychomotor tests. 180 control subjects underwent a similar procedure, completing a questionnaire, having their amalgam surfaces counted, giving urine, hair, and nail samples and undergoing the psychomotor test package. RESULTS: Dentists had, on average, urinary mercury concentrations over four times that of control subjects, but all but one dentist had urinary mercury below the Health and Safety Executive health guidance value. Dentists were significantly more likely than control subjects to have had disorders of the kidney and memory disturbance. These symptoms were not significantly associated with urinary mercury concentration. Differences were found between the psychomotor performance of dentists and controls after adjusting for age and sex, but there was no significant association between changes in psychomotor response and mercury concentrations in urine, hair, or nails. CONCLUSIONS: Several differences in health and cognitive functioning between dentists and controls were found. These differences could not be directly attributed to their exposure to mercury. However, as similar health effects are known to be associated with mercury exposure, it would be appropriate to consider a system of health surveillance of dental staff with particular emphasis on symptoms associated with mercury toxicity where there is evidence of high levels of exposure to environmental mercury.
PMID: 11983843 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/dbhg9
Neurophysiological and neuropsychological function in mercury-exposed dentists.
Shapiro IM, Cornblath DR, Sumner AJ, Uzzell B, Spitz LK, Ship II, Bloch P.
In a study of the relation between cumulative exposure to mercury and chronic health impairment 298 dentists had their mercury levels measured by an X-ray fluorescence technique. Electrodiagnostic and neuropsychological findings in the dentists with more than 20 micrograms/g tissue mercury levels were compared with those of a control group consisting of dentists with no detectable mercury levels. 30% of the 23 high mercury dentists had polyneuropathies. No polyneuropathies were detected in the control group. The high mercury group had mild visuographic dysfunction; they also had more symptom-distress than did the control group. These findings suggest that the use of mercury as a restorative material is a health risk for dentists.
PMID: 6122938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/msg59
Neuropsychological effects of low mercury exposure in dental staff in Erzurum, Turkey.
Aydin N, Karaoglanoglu S, Yigit A, Keles MS, Kirpinar I, Seven N.
Ataturk Universitesi, Tip Fakultesi, Psikiyatri Anabilim Dali, 25240 Erzurum, Turkey. nmd...@hotmail.com
OBJECTIVE: To carry out measurements of the Hg levels and personal exposure in Turkish dental clinics, and to evaluate possible adverse effects on the CNS in dental personnel. SETTING: Five dental clinics (1 private, 4 public) in Erzurum, Turkey. SUBJECTS AND METHODS: 43, Hg vapour-exposed dental staff were examined and 43 hospital employees with no known exposure to Hg acted as the control group. Hg concentrations in plasma and urine were analysed by atomic absorption spectrophotometry. Possible effects on the central nervous system (CNS) were estimated by neuropsychological tests (Weschler Memory Scale-Revised (WMS-R) and Verbal Test of Memory Processes (VTMP)) and two self-administered questionnaires (Symptom Checklist-90-Revised (SCL-90-R) and Beck Depression Inventory (BDI)). RESULTS: The dental staff group had higher whole blood (B-Hg) and urine (U-Hg) Hg levels than the control group. The mean B-Hg value was 2.18 nmol/l and U-Hg was 1.17 nmol/mmol creatinine. U-Hg had an inverse relationship with logical memory (in WMS-R test) and total retention score (in VTMP test), and a positive relationship with increased scores of Anxiety and Psychoticism (in SCL-90-R). CONCLUSION: These results may represent long-term consequences of low Hg exposure. In dentistry, to decrease toxic effects, proper Hg hygiene should be practiced by all dental health care workers.
http://tinyurl.com/z6jhk
Behavioral effects of low-level exposure to elemental Hg among dentists.
Echeverria D, Heyer NJ, Martin MD, Naleway CA, Woods JS, Bittner AC Jr.
Battelle Center for Public Health Research and Evaluation (CPHRE), Seattle, WA 98105, USA.
Exposure thresholds for health effects associated with elemental mercury (Hg degree) exposure were examined by comparing behavioral test scores of 19 exposed (mean urinary Hg = 36 micrograms/l) with those of 20 unexposed dentists. Thirty-six micrograms Hg/l is 7 times greater than the 5 micrograms Hg/l mean level measured in a national sample of dentists. To improve the distinction between recent and cumulative effects, the study also evaluated porphyrin concentrations in urine, which are correlated with renal Hg content (a measure of cumulative body burden). Subjects provided an on-site spot urine sample, were administered a 1-h assessment consisting of a consent form, the Profile of Mood Scales, a symptom and medical questionnaire, and 6 behavioral tests: digit-span, symbol-digit substitution, simple reaction time, the ability to switch between tasks, vocabulary, and the One Hole Test. Multivariate regression techniques were used to evaluate dose-effects controlling for the effects of age, race, gender and alcohol consumption. A dose-effect was considered statistically significant below a p value of 0.05. Significant urinary Hg dose-effects were found for poor mental concentration, emotional lability, somatosensory irritation, and mood scores. Individual tests evaluating cognitive and motor function changed in the expected directions but were not significantly associated with urinary Hg. However, the pooled sum of rank scores for combinations of tests within domains were significantly associated with urinary Hg, providing evidence of subtle preclinical changes in behavior associated with Hg exposure. Coproporphyrin, one of three urinary porphyrins altered by mercury exposure, was significantly associated with deficits in digit span and simple reaction time.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
Publication Types: a.. Clinical Trial b.. Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 7760775 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/qehsr
Women in dental surgeries: reproductive hazards in occupational exposure to metallic mercury.
Sikorski R, Juszkiewicz T, Paszkowski T, Szprengier-Juszkiewicz T.
Clinic of Gynaecology, Institute of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Academy of Medicine, Lublin, Poland.
Eighty-one women (45 dentists and 36 dental assistants) occupationally exposed to metallic mercury underwent a toxicoclinical examination. Total mercury lebels (TMLs) were determined in scalp and pubic hair by cold vapour AAS. Furthermore a detailed questionnaire study was made concerning adverse reproductive events. TMLs in the hair of the exposed women examined exceeded significantly those determined in the hair of 34 controls not exposed to mercury. All exposed women had continued working during pregnancy. There was a significant, positive association between TMLs in the hair of exposed women and the occurrence of reproductive failures in their history. The relation between TMLs in the scalp hair and the prevalence of menstrual cycle disorders was statistically significant. These findings indicate that dental work could be another occupational hazard with respect to reproductive processes.
PMID: 3679554 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://tinyurl.com/rvmr5
Neurophysiological and neuropsychological function in mercury-exposed dentists.
Shapiro IM, Cornblath DR, Sumner AJ, Uzzell B, Spitz LK, Ship II, Bloch P.
In a study of the relation between cumulative exposure to mercury and chronic health impairment 298 dentists had their mercury levels measured by an X-ray fluorescence technique. Electrodiagnostic and neuropsychological findings in the dentists with more than 20 micrograms/g tissue mercury levels were compared with those of a control group consisting of dentists with no detectable mercury levels. 30% of the 23 high mercury dentists had polyneuropathies. No polyneuropathies were detected in the control group. The high mercury group had mild visuographic dysfunction; they also had more symptom-distress than did the control group. These findings suggest that the use of mercury as a restorative material is a health risk for dentists.
PMID: 6122938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.chem-tox.com/immunesystem/dentalfillings/amalgams.htm
http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNF98SilverFillingsUpdate.htm
http://www.bioprobe.com/ReadNews.asp?article=28 ~~~~~~~~
For starters. care should be exercised in handling mercury so that it will not come in contact with articles made of precious metals, especially rings and other jewelry".
See above.
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Peter Bowditch - 23 Oct 2006 22:31 GMT >From this week's update to The Millenium Project > >http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/ I posted something to one and only one newsgroup, sci.med.dentistry.
I am now reading an incoherent response in alt.support.breast-implant, and I see that Jan has added several other groups which have nothing to do with dental amalgam. She made matters worse by snipping everything that I had to say and replacing it with a rant which she had previously posted in full.
There was a reason that I posted to only a single relevant group, and I apologise to the readers of the unintended groups that their time and bandwidth have been wasted, even though it really isn't my place to apologise for the actions of someone else.
<snip irrelevancy>
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Coleah - 23 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT Look at the 'subject' line Jan Drew originated this thread with. She obviously wasn't addressing any issue about a dentistry issue.....she was just spreading her 'Christian' example of hate and stalking. What a loon she is!
>>From this week's update to The Millenium Project >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <snip irrelevancy> Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 04:19 GMT > Look at the 'subject' line Jan Drew originated this thread with. She > obviously wasn't addressing any issue about a dentistry issue Wow! Do tell another lie.
.....she was
> just spreading her 'Christian' example of hate and stalking. That was fast, another lie.
What a loon
> she is! Did you have anything to say about dentistry, except and insults?
Non-practicing Christian.
Peter Bowditch - 24 Oct 2006 04:35 GMT >> Look at the 'subject' line Jan Drew originated this thread with. She >> obviously wasn't addressing any issue about a dentistry issue > >Wow! Do tell another lie. OK, Jan, in words of one syllable so we can all understand it - How does a message header which says "Peter Bowditch's Deceitfulness" have anything to do with dentistry?
>.....she was >> just spreading her 'Christian' example of hate and stalking. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Did you have anything to say about dentistry, except and insults? Why should she have anything to say about dentistry? The thread title is "Peter Bowditch's Deceitfulness". Playing "fair's fair", Coleah just decided to point out your deceitfulness. And your insults.
>Non-practicing Christian. TOTKO.
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Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 05:58 GMT Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 04:11 GMT >>From this week's update to The Millenium Project >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <snip irrelevancy> Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 04:13 GMT Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>From this week's update to The Millenium Project >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > everything that I had to say and replacing it with a rant which she > had previously posted in full. I snipped nothing in your post to ONLY sci.med.dentistry
> There was a reason that I posted to only a single relevant group, and > I apologise to the readers of the unintended groups that their time > and bandwidth have been wasted, even though it really isn't my place > to apologise for the actions of someone else. > > <snip irrelevancy> Peter Bowditch - 24 Oct 2006 04:40 GMT >Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >I snipped nothing in your post to ONLY sci.med.dentistry Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn what you did in any group other than the one where I saw your response, which was alt.support.breast-implant
The newsreader I use (Agent) marks crossposted messages so that I don't have to read them more than once. As a.s.b-i comes before s.m.d (it's something to do with an alphabet - look it up) in my newsgroup list, I only saw it in a.s.b-i.
>> There was a reason that I posted to only a single relevant group, and >> I apologise to the readers of the unintended groups that their time [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> <snip irrelevancy> >  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 05:59 GMT >>Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>> >>> <snip irrelevancy> Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 06:04 GMT >>Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn Yes, I know. Neither does Rich Shewmaker.
If you lie to me, this newsgroup, your mother, or the pope.
I do.
I hate lies.
You are exposed again. Period.
Peter Bowditch - 24 Oct 2006 06:47 GMT >>>Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Yes, I know. Neither does Rich Shewmaker. Whooooossshhh! Another missed literary and cultural allusion goes straight over her head.
Remedial English literature, Jan. You could start with a book by Margaret Mitchell.
>If you lie to me, this newsgroup, your mother, or the pope. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You are exposed again. Period. How have I been exposed, Jan? Have you been looking at porn sites again?
>"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... >  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Jan Drew - 24 Oct 2006 17:22 GMT >>>>Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>>news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Whooooossshhh! Another missed literary and cultural allusion goes > straight over her head. lol. Do tell us another lie--and divert from your deceitfulness.
> ,snip same ole, same ole, started by your buddy. > Rosalind/aka/cathyb/aka/Stella> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How have I been exposed, Jan? Whoooooooooooooooshh!
Have you been looking at porn sites
> again? There can be no again, I have never looked at porn. Period.
Another diversion from you.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1aff80e84
Peter Bowditch - 24 Oct 2006 23:02 GMT >>>>>Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >lol. Do tell us another lie--and divert from your deceitfulness. What lie? You apparently did not recognise the allusion. How can it be a lie to point this out?
And, of course, for there to be "another lie" requires there to have been a first lie, and you are yet to demonstrate that.
>> ,snip same ole, same ole, started by your buddy. >> Rosalind/aka/cathyb/aka/Stella> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Whoooooooooooooooshh! I get it now. You really don't know what "Whooooooooooshh!" means in a conversation like this. I'm sorry, but now I at least have a partial understanding of why you don't get literary references.
>Have you been looking at porn sites >> again? > >There can be no again, I have never looked at porn. Period. > >Another diversion from you. Are you redefining "diversion"? You said I was "exposed". Are you aware that one meaning of this word has to do with revealing normally-hidden parts of the body. That is why I JOKINGLY referred to porn. I apologise if making a joke interferes with your life.
I do see, however, that you understand the concept of how there can't be an "again" without there being a first time. Remember that the next time you accuse me of lying "again".
>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1aff80e84 That is you admitting that you replied to something I had written by a) completely snipping my words, b) totally ignoring what I had said, c) failing to address even a single point I had made, d) diverting to something else, and e) doing the diverting in places where the original message had not appeared.
Thank you for admitting your perfidy.
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Jan - 25 Oct 2006 04:21 GMT > >>>>>Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > >>>>>news:z2a%g.19959$e66.9666@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > That is you admitting that you replied to something I had written by > a) completely snipping my words, That's the second time you have told that lie.
b) totally ignoring what I had said,
Another lie.
> c) failing to address even a single point I had made, Wrong again.
diverting to
> something else, and e) doing the diverting in places where the > original message had not appeared. > > Thank you for admitting your perfidy. > -- > Peter Bowditch Actually, you did not one thing in this post, but lie.
Now--please answer my questions.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1af...
>What claim? Well?
>Told by whom? Prove that as well. Well?
>That makes another claim for you to prove. Well?
>Why is that? Well?
Peter Bowditch - 25 Oct 2006 06:37 GMT >> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1aff80e84 >> >> That is you admitting that you replied to something I had written by >> a) completely snipping my words, > >That's the second time you have told that lie. You really do have a strange definition of "lie", don't you.
The URL above shows that you didn't reply to the message that I had posted in sci.med.dentistry. You started a new thread, snipping all except the first few lines of what I had written (without bothering to mention the snip). You then went off on a tangential rant, apparently because you had posted something before and felt that it needed posting again, despite the fact that it had nothing to do with what I had written.
Do you really believe that the ADA conspiracy extends to putting 1966 books on the dump shelves at Westmead medical school library so that I can quote stuff out of them instead of answering one of your rants?
> b) totally ignoring what I had said, > >Another lie. You snipped it. You ignored it.
>> c) failing to address even a single point I had made, > >Wrong again. OK, Jan. In the message referenced by the URL you cited above, where did you address a) the fact that restoration materials other than amalgam were supported by the ADA prior to 1970, b) the fact that the ADA were warning dentists about safe handling of mercury 40 years ago, and c) that the formula for dental amalgam was freely available and not any sort of a secret as long ago as 1966.
In your own words, please. Just the facts, Ma'am. (I apologise in advance for any confusion caused to you by that cultural reference.)
>diverting to >> something else, and e) doing the diverting in places where the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1af... That URL doesn't work, Jan. Please try to use the conventional Usenet method of citing postings rather than providing incomplete Google Groups references. You know how it's done, and if you have forgotten you can ask DCS.
>>What claim? > >Well? Yes, thanks, I am now - I had a bit of a fright a short while ago because I had an abnormally high blood glucose reading (the highest for almost a year), but a brisk walk has brought it down to where I like it to be.
>>Told by whom? Prove that as well. > >Well? Yes, and thanks again.
>>That makes another claim for you to prove. > >Well? I haven't had much time to get unwell since the last time you asked, but I have had a can of Red Bull (the sugarless kind, of course) so I should be feeling even better shortly.
>>Why is that? > >Well? Give me time for the Red Bull to kick in, please.
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Jan Drew - 25 Oct 2006 19:16 GMT >>> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1aff80e84 >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You really do have a strange definition of "lie", don't you. Actually, I do.
> The URL above shows that you didn't reply to the message that I had > posted in sci.med.dentistry. You started a new thread, snipping all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > posting again, despite the fact that it had nothing to do with what I > had written. You keep saying that. What words exactly were snipped, except you webistes and spam?
> Do you really believe that the ADA conspiracy extends to putting 1966 > books on the dump shelves at Westmead medical school library so that I > can quote stuff out of them instead of answering one of your rants? Now you are adding things. Furthermore, it is your norm to ask me, when you haven't answered my questions, or when you are trying to divert.
>> b) totally ignoring what I had said, >> >>Another lie. > > You snipped it. You ignored it. Oh? Do prove that. What did I snip and ignore?
>>> c) failing to address even a single point I had made, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and c) that the formula for dental amalgam was freely available and > not any sort of a secret as long ago as 1966. Right here: (note that is not what you stated). Your exact words:
I have also been told that alternatives to amalgam have only been available since the 1970s, presumably because the ADA strongly resisted their introduction and use before then.
Told by whom? Prove that as well.
> In your own words, please. Just the facts, Ma'am. (I apologise in > advance for any confusion caused to you by that cultural reference.) Then was no confusion by me. It is noted you are now weaseling and posting not what you stated. Therefore, you are now doing the confusing. So typical from you.
>>diverting to >>> something else, and e) doing the diverting in places where the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1af...
> That URL doesn't work, Jan So I see, my error.
Try this:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/msg/499875d1aff80e84
. Please try to use the conventional Usenet
> method of citing postings rather than providing incomplete Google > Groups references. You know how it's done, and if you have forgotten > you can ask DCS. Diversion from the subject noted.
>>>What claim? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > for almost a year), but a brisk walk has brought it down to where I > like it to be. Ahh. Thanks for showing us your deceitfulness.
Now--What claim?
>>>Told by whom? Prove that as well. >> >>Well? > > Yes, and thanks again. Opps, please just answer the question.
Told by whom? Prove that as well.
>>>That makes another claim for you to prove. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but I have had a can of Red Bull (the sugarless kind, of course) so I > should be feeling even better shortly. So? Please answer the question. Prove you claim.
>>>Why is that? >> >>Well? > > Give me time for the Red Bull to kick in, please. It is, of course, good practice not to spill the mercury promiscuously around the office.
Why is that?
Can't answer. Nor--did you answer a single question.
You should have quit while you were behind, rather than make an utter fool of yourself, and proving me correct.
Peter Bowditch - 26 Oct 2006 03:23 GMT >>>> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1aff80e84 >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Actually, I do. Thank you for agreeing and admitting to what you do. That's a start towards recovery.
>> The URL above shows that you didn't reply to the message that I had >> posted in sci.med.dentistry. You started a new thread, snipping all [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >You keep saying that. What words exactly were snipped, except you webistes >and spam? I see what has happened now. I was mistaken (not lying) because you put my words inside somebody else's huge number of words and didn't mark what I said as a quote. I have neither the need nor the desire to wade through many kilowords of repetitious garbage so I missed where my words had been repeated, because they could not easily be distinguished from the background noise. As this sort of thing makes it almost impossible to understand who said what, I am making the following suggestion if you want to discuss this any further:
Go back to my original post, and respond to it using the original subject line. Quote what I said in the conventional manner, with your comments clearly interspersed. Make sure that readers can clearly and easily see the relevant attributions.
Do that and I am quite prepared to debate anything. Don't do it and you can f.ck off and play by yourself, because it would be obvious that rational conversation is not your objective.
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Jan Drew - 26 Oct 2006 04:02 GMT 000000000000. Temper. Temper.
>>>>> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/499875d1aff80e84 >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thank you for agreeing and admitting to what you do. That's a start > towards recovery. I have known what a lie is for a long time. Evidently, you do not.
>>> The URL above shows that you didn't reply to the message that I had >>> posted in sci.med.dentistry. You started a new thread, snipping all [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > put my words inside somebody else's huge number of words and didn't > mark what I said as a quote. I did no such thing
Weasel-weasel.
Everyone can easily see what you said.
I have neither the need nor the desire to
> wade through many kilowords of repetitious garbage so I missed where > my words had been repeated, because they could not easily be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > comments clearly interspersed. Make sure that readers can clearly and > easily see the relevant attributions. Had you not posted to ONLY sci.med dentistry, none of this would have happened.
> Do that and I am quite prepared to debate anything. No, I am not doing that. It should be clear exactly what you said. Furthmore, you added to it in following posts. You clearly up your own mess.
I refuted you with facts. It is my opinion the only reason you posted it in the first place, is because I posted the updated FDA hearings which were in fact headlines news.
Don't do it and
> you can f.ck off and play by yourself, because it would be obvious > that rational conversation is not your objective. Ahh. I see. You cannot tell us where you had heard what you spouted. Nor, answer a single one of my questions. You have been had again.
Jan Drew - 26 Oct 2006 04:11 GMT Groups restored.
> 000000000000. Temper. Temper. > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > Ahh. I see. You cannot tell us where you had heard what you spouted. > Nor, answer a single one of my questions. You have been had again. Peter Bowditch - 26 Oct 2006 05:06 GMT >Groups restored. Do you know who reads misc.headlines, Jan? Or why people post there? Or why something called "headlines" might not be a place for discussing anything?
Or are you just so bad mannered that you don't care?
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Jan Drew - 26 Oct 2006 06:55 GMT Once again - - original groups restored.
>>Groups restored. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Or are you just so bad mannered that you don't care? Jan Drew - 27 Oct 2006 01:51 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/misc.headlines/msg/499875d1aff80e84
>From this week's update to The Millenium Project
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>Anti-amalgamists might not be truthful! Imagine that! (21/10/2006) It is you who has not been truthful and still are not!
Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry.
It comes right after, I posted this:
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/FDA_hearings/advisory_panel_rejects_am...
Peter's reply was insults, plus his control problem. Telling me that it was not headlines. Which is a LIE! The FDA hearings most certainly are headlines.
I have the right to post to whatever groups, I deem necessary.
>I am continually being told that the American Dental Association keeps the formula for dental amalgam secret, that no research has ever been done into the safety of dental amalgam, and that even some dentists don't know that it contains mercury. I know, I know, these statements are ludicrous,
Which is the norm for you! Lies, lies, and more lies.
> but ludicrosity has never stopped an anti-amalgam campaigner from making a claim.
What claim?
> I have also been told that alternatives to amalgam have only been available since the 1970s, presumably because the ADA strongly resisted their introduction and use before then.
Told by whom? Prove that as well.
> under normal atmospheric conditions but this stops as soon as mercury becomes coated with saliva.
Wrong! Another lie!
>However, it is considered good hygiene to use well ventilated offices and to collect excess mercury during amalgamation and placement of fillings.
Note the words* good hygiene*.
Actually, that is not the reason. And Peter knows it. This shows his deceitfulness.
> It is, of course, good practice not to spill the mercury promiscuously around the office.
Why is that?
> In addition to mercury vapor hygiene,
The dangers of mercury vapor are not reported by Peter.
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~rgammal/Are_Dentist_Really_Healthy.html
>care should be exercised in handling mercury so that it will not come in contact with articles made of precious metals, especially rings and other jewelry".
See above.
<snip lies and spam>
Peter Bowditch - 27 Oct 2006 09:16 GMT >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.headlines/msg/499875d1aff80e84 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >It is you who has not been truthful and still are not! Examples, please. Do not trot out the old story about how someone who exploits the death of a child more than 90 times in a month to bash medicine is not using the death of the child to bash medicine.
I'm sorry, the word was "demonise", not "bash". Feel free to call me a liar, although you will be wrong.
>Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. Hey, everyone, see what Jan said here? Remember it, because it will become important later.
>It comes right after, I posted this: > >http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/FDA_hearings/advisory_panel_rejects_am... I can post whenever I like to wherever I like, and just because you post something and then I post something else does not mean that one caused the other. Feel free to call saying "correlation is not causality" is a gang trick (TING), but that's the way the world works.
>Peter's reply was insults, plus his control problem. Telling me that it was >not headlines. Which is a LIE! The FDA hearings most certainly are >headlines. I wasn't talking about the FDA. I was talking about a book published by the ADA in 1966. What possible relevance could FDA hearings 40 years later have to do with it?
>I have the right to post to whatever groups, I deem necessary. Just to remind you, Jan, in your own words:
>Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. >Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. >Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. >Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. >Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. >Note Peter posted to ONLY sci.med.dentistry. What's that word, again? That's right - hypocrisy.
>>I am continually being told that the American Dental Association keeps >the formula for dental amalgam secret, that no research has ever been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Which is the norm for you! Lies, lies, and more lies. Is it a lie that the ADA keeps the formula secret, Jan? Is it a lie that no research has ever been done into the safety of amalgams, Jan? Is it a lie that some dentists apparently don't know that amalgam contains mercury, Jan? If any of these things are lies you had better stop saying them.
>> but ludicrosity has never stopped an anti-amalgam >campaigner from making a claim. > >What claim? I realise that English is not your first language, but even a junior school student should be aware of the concept of a generality. There is no answer to the question "what claim" because I didn't mention any specific claim. I made a generalisation about the claims made by anti-amalgamists, and it is a documented fact that ludicrosity has never been a bar to making a claim.
>> I have also been told that >alternatives to amalgam have only been available since the 1970s, >presumably because the ADA strongly resisted their introduction and >use before then. > >Told by whom? Prove that as well. Perhaps I should tell you to check the archives, because this was raised within the last fortnight.
>> under normal atmospheric >conditions but this stops as soon as mercury becomes coated with >saliva. > >Wrong! Another lie! And you have evidence for this? Also, if you are going to snip, please leave enough text behind so that context can be determined.
>>However, it is considered good hygiene to use well ventilated >offices and to collect excess mercury during amalgamation and >placement of fillings. > >Note the words* good hygiene*. Don't you want dentists to have good hygiene, Jan? Why not?
>Actually, that is not the reason. And Peter knows it. This shows his >deceitfulness. Do you understand the word "hygiene", Jan? Apparently not. It doesn't just relate to germs.
>> It is, of course, good practice not to spill >the mercury promiscuously around the office. > >Why is that? For the same reason that it is not good practice to spill blood or the carvings from composite fillings around the office. Hygiene, Jan, hygiene.
>> In addition to mercury >vapor hygiene, > >The dangers of mercury vapor are not reported by Peter. Umm, Jan, did you read what the ADA had to say in 1966 about "mercury vapor hygiene"? I guess you did, because you just quoted it. So, I was, in fact, reporting the dangers of mercury vapor. Does that make you a liar?
>http://www.zipworld.com.au/~rgammal/Are_Dentist_Really_Healthy.html Because I was reporting what the ADA was saying in 1966, so what a loon (there's that word again) like Gammal said years later. Did you know that Robert Gammal threatened to sue me for pointing out that he was less than truthful?
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/asomat.htm
You should be calling him a liar, Jan. I am surprised that you cite someone who doesn't tell the truth.
>>care should be exercised in handling mercury so that it >will not come in contact with articles made of precious metals, >especially rings and other jewelry". > >See above. See what above?
><snip lies and spam> No lies, no spam. Have you any idea how idiotic it makes you look to keep ranting about spam when no spam exists?
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Peter Bowditch - 27 Oct 2006 09:56 GMT >Feel free to call saying "correlation is not >causality" is a gang trick (TING), but that's the way the world works. Feel free to call saying "correlation is not causality" a gang trick (TING), but that's the way the world works.
Remedial English, Peter.
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Jan Drew - 26 Oct 2006 06:57 GMT More of Peter's removal of groups restored.
>>Groups restored. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Or are you just so bad mannered that you don't care? Jan Drew - 26 Oct 2006 07:03 GMT Peter Bowditch - 26 Oct 2006 05:00 GMT >000000000000. Temper. Temper. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I have known what a lie is for a long time. Evidently, you do not. Thank you for again demonstrating your inability to understand both plain English and what you yourself write.
You agreed with me that your definition of the word "lie" was "strange". Why not try to use the conventional meaning for a while? it can't hurt.
>>>> The URL above shows that you didn't reply to the message that I had >>>> posted in sci.med.dentistry. You started a new thread, snipping all [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I did no such thing I looked at the URL you provided, and I could not see any indication that what I had written was quoted or even written by me. It appeared within a mountain of irrelevant rubbish and was not distinguished from that text by any means.
Put another way - if you want to quote me, put ">" in front of my words.
>Weasel-weasel. > >Everyone can easily see what you said. You might be able to because you alone have the ability to interpret your unconventional quoting style. I might have been able to, because I wrote some of the words in your post. We are not "[e]veryone".
> I have neither the need nor the desire to >> wade through many kilowords of repetitious garbage so I missed where [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Had you not posted to ONLY sci.med dentistry, none of this would have >happened. I posted it to ONLY sci.med.dentistry because that was the only group that I have anything to do with where it was relevant. It was about dentistry, not breast implants or alternative medicine.
>> Do that and I am quite prepared to debate anything. > >No, I am not doing that. It should be clear exactly what you said. I agree, it should be clear. Unfortunately, as it was not quoted correctly it was not clear.
>Furthmore, you added to it in following posts. You clearly up your own >mess. I added nothing. How could I, when any response you made to what I had originally written was buried in a cesspit of garbage, obfuscation and improper quoting?
>I refuted you with facts. It is my opinion the only reason you posted it in >the first place, >is because I posted the updated FDA hearings which were in fact headlines >news. I
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