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Medical Forum / General / General / September 2006Stress Tolerances?
Hello, "In medicine, stress is defined as one of the following: An applied force or system of forces that tends to strain or deform a body, The resisting force set up in a body as a result of an externally applied force, or A physical or psychological stimulus that can produce mental tension or physiological reactions that may lead to illness.[1] Stress may also be defined as "the sum of physical and mental responses to an unacceptable disparity between real or imagined personal experience and personal expectations." By this definition, one may appreciate that stress is a response which includes both physical and mental components http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_(medicine) " In view of above, 1.Can stress related effects be different in different person? If yes, how? 2.Whether precieved or previously imagined stresses don't harm or trigger stress hormone's secretions? 3.Can anyone become stress tolerant or stress resistent? If yes, will it be beneficial or harmful to him? 4.Whether stress tolerance/resistance is just related to stress hormones or also to other hormones/neurotrasmitters? 5. Which disorders are or can be related to stress tolerance/resistance? Best wishes. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 5. Which disorders are or can be related to stress > tolerance/resistance? The health impact of stress depends on personality type: The type A personality thrives on stress and this is made apparent by increased appetite. The harm arises not from the stress but from the overeating that can arise from a psychological intolerance of hunger (arising in most because of being brainwashed to fear hunger). These people do not do well after retirement. The type B personality does not thrive on stress and this is made apparent by decreased appetite. These folks have somatic symptom becoming ill during periods of high stress. These people do well after retirement if they do not overeat which is their tendency because their appetite increases as stress decreases (the brainwashing to fear hunger issue again). May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > appetite increases as stress decreases (the brainwashing to fear hunger > issue again). Welcome here and thanks. Fight-or-flight reason is much related to stress. Can above two types be related to either fighting type or flight(run away) type? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > Hello, > > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Yes much oblized, will be, by your prayes and tellings. > > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? The following is good reply about stress tolerance and stress compromises the immune system :- "I know that stress compromises the immune system,.... .....If, however, the stressor is chronic, what may happen is that instead of the stressor being removed, the stress hormone levels always remain high and steps 3 and 4 above are replaced with the following: 3. The immune cells continue to receive the stimulus of high levels of stress hormones, but they don't have any invader to attack, so they gradually become tolerant to the levels of the stress hormones and accept high levels as normal. 4. When an invader does come in, the immune cells are used to the high levels of stress hormones already present in the organism. Since the organism can't increase the levels of stress hormones further, the immune cells don't become stimulated, so they may attack the invader with less efficiency and effectiveness. This leads to an immune-compromised condition. http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin/askascientist/highlight.pl?kw=&file=answers%2Fimmuno logy%2Fans_011.html " Pls do read full quote. It is related to effect of infection related stress on immune system. But can we be stress tolerant alike it, due to other type of chronic stresses with somewhat similar harmful effect? Kumar: You may be interested to know that T2 athletes CAN have high BG levels as a result of a strenuous workout under certain conditions such as before beakfast. Unfortunately BG levels go too high in T2s. Same thing can happen in fighter pilots for the same reason ie. adrenergic system stimulation along with other stress hormones. This can be hard on the immune system as you state. Larry > > > > Hello, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > But can we be stress tolerant alike it, due to other type of chronic > stresses with somewhat similar harmful effect? Hello Larry, Although scttered informations are indicative of stress related to many disorders. I think we usually consider acute stresses but living into current environment of big polluted and crowded cities, we may get persisting and chronic stresses, which may effect us chronically. So I feel, such chronic stresses are need to be considered in all disorders which recently pop up and become somewhat epidemic due to changed environment? Probably, getting persistance in any such disorder, may be related to modern stresses. > Kumar: You may be interested to know that T2 athletes CAN have high BG > levels as a result of a strenuous workout under certain conditions such [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > But can we be stress tolerant alike it, due to other type of chronic > > stresses with somewhat similar harmful effect? > > > Hello, > > > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Welcome here and thanks. All thanks and praises belong to GOD Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength. > Fight-or-flight reason is much related to stress. Can above two types > be related to either fighting type or flight(run away) type? Decision making depends more on situation than personality type. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > Hello, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Decision making depends more on situation than personality type. In view of your first reply, how diabetic people fits into two types--increased appetite or decresed appetite? Repeating; The following is good reply about stress tolerance and stress compromises the immune system :- "I know that stress compromises the immune system,.... .....If, however, the stressor is chronic, what may happen is that instead of the stressor being removed, the stress hormone levels always remain high and steps 3 and 4 above are replaced with the following: 3. The immune cells continue to receive the stimulus of high levels of stress hormones, but they don't have any invader to attack, so they gradually become tolerant to the levels of the stress hormones and accept high levels as normal. 4. When an invader does come in, the immune cells are used to the high levels of stress hormones already present in the organism. Since the organism can't increase the levels of stress hormones further, the immune cells don't become stimulated, so they may attack the invader with less efficiency and effectiveness. This leads to an immune-compromised condition. http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin/askascientist/highlight.pl?kw=&file=answe... " Pls do read full quote. It is related to effect of infection related stress on immune system. But can we be stress tolerant alike it, due to other type of chronic stresses with somewhat similar harmful effect? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > > Hello, > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > In view of your first reply, how diabetic people fits into two > types--increased appetite or decresed appetite? Depends on their respective personality types. > Repeating; > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > But can we be stress tolerant alike it, due to other type of chronic > stresses with somewhat similar harmful effect? A challenge to the immune system is an altogether different entity from psychological stress. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Depends on their respective personality types. How diabetic people can be of two personality types, one- mostly near to control in BG levels and in eating with medications and two- rarely near to control > > Repeating; > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > A challenge to the immune system is an altogether different entity from > psychological stress. Yes, still all can't all types of psychlogical stresses can be related to such type of effects in other system of body? Repeting, Just look; "Sympathetic and Parasympathetic Effects Effects on various systems and organs: Eye: (S)dilation of pupil; focusing for distance vision (P)constriction of pupil; focusing for near vision Skin: Sweat glands: (S) - increases secretion (P) - none (not innervated) Arrector pili muscles: (S) - contraction and erection of hairs (P) - none (not innervated) Tear Glands: (S) - none (not innervated) (P) - secretion Cardiovascular System: Blood Vessels: (S) - vasoconstriction and vasodilation (P) - none (not innervated) Heart: (S) - increases heart rate, force of contraction, and blood pressure (P) - decreases heart rate, force of contraction, and blood pressure Adrenal Glands: (S) - secretion of epinephrine and norepinephrine by adrenal medullae (P) - none (not innervated) Respiratory System: Airways: (S) - increases diameter (P) - decreases diameter Respiratory rate: (S) - increases rate (P) - decreases rate Digestive System: General level of activity: (S) - decreases activity (P) - increases activity Liver: **(S) - glycogen breakdown and glucose synthesis and release (P) - glycogen synthesis Skeletal Muscles: (S) - increases force of contraction and glycogen breakdown (P) - none (not innervated)** Urinary System: Kidneys: (S) - decreases urine production (P) - increases urine production Urinary bladder: (S) - constricts sphincter and relaxes urinary bladder (P) - tenses urinary bladder and relaxes sphincter to eliminate urine Reproductive System: (S) - increases glandular secretions and ejaculation in males (P) - erection of penis in males and clitoris in females http://www.innvista.com/HEALTH/anatomy/sympath.htm also; http://courses.cvcc.vccs.edu/WisemanD/sympathetic_and_parasympathetic... " I think, above quotes do indicate persisting stress relations with persisting conditions, IR and diabetes2 etc.. ?? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > to control in BG levels and in eating with medications and two- rarely > near to control Differences in BG control do not necessarily reflect differences in personality types. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > Differences in BG control do not necessarily reflect differences in > personality types. Some may be under persisting sympathetic influence others may not or under parasympathetic. This can make lot of difference at both digestive tract level and at BG levels. "High catecholamine levels in blood are associated with stress, which can be induced from psychological reaction or environmental stressors such as elevated sound levels or intense light. Catecholamines cause general physiological changes that prepare the body for physical activity (fight-or-flight response). Some typical effects are increases in heart rate, blood pressure, and *blood glucose levels." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catecholamine > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? To add; "How Stress Affects Diabetes In people with diabetes, stress can alter blood glucose levels. It does this in two ways. First, people under stress may not take good care of themselves. They may drink more alcohol or exercise less. They may forget, or not have time, to check their glucose levels or plan good meals. Second, stress hormones may also alter blood glucose levels directly. Scientists have studied the effects of stress on glucose levels in animals and people. Diabetic mice under physical or mental stress have elevated glucose levels. The effects in people with type 1 diabetes are more mixed. While most people's glucose levels go up with mental stress, others' glucose levels can go down. In people with type 2 diabetes, mental stress often raises blood glucose levels. Physical stress, such as illness or injury, causes higher blood glucose levels in people with either type of diabetes. For some people with diabetes, controlling stress with relaxation therapy seems to help. It is more likely to help people with type 2 diabetes than people with type 1 diabetes. This difference makes sense. **Stress blocks the body from releasing insulin in people with type 2 diabetes,** so cutting stress may be more helpful for these people. People with type 1 diabetes don't make insulin, so stress reduction doesn't have this effect. Reducing stress can help people with type 1 diabetes take better care of themselves. http://www.diabetes.org/type-2-diabetes/stress.jsp " However I am looking more on stress caused by excessive noise levels, over-illumination due to late night sleeping, air pollution(shallow breating), crowding(exposure to pathogenic microbes) etc. > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > in heart rate, blood pressure, and *blood glucose levels." > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catecholamine Personality is more a function of the soul rather than a function of physiology (autonomic nervous system and hormonal influences). May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > Personality is more a function of the soul rather than a function of > physiology (autonomic nervous system and hormonal influences). Scientifically, what is soul? A person with more of either predisposed sympathetic or para-sympathetic influence can't be considered as a function of soul/personality. Although, all our liveliness or activies can be considered as a function of current energy or soul or sprit, whatever you say still it may yet be a pseudoscientic concept. I just consider it as a spectrum of forces/wavelengths emitted from our body alike colours from any substances. Furthur, "Definition: Chronic stress is a state of ongoing physiological arousal. This occurs when the body experiences so many stressors that the rarely has a chance to activate the . (We were built to handle , not chronic stress.) This type of chronic stress response occurs all too frequently from our modern lifestyle, when everything from high-pressured jobs to loneliness to busy traffic can keep the body in a state of perceived threat and chronic stress. In this case, our fight-or-flight response, which was designed to help us fight a few life-threatening situations spaced out over a long period (like being attacked by a bear every so often), can wear down our bodies and cause us to become ill, either physically or emotionally. http://stress.about.com/od/stressmanagementglossary/g/Chronicstress.htm " The above quote matches with my thoughts. > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? <snip> > > Personality is more a function of the soul rather than a function of > > physiology (autonomic nervous system and hormonal influences). > > Scientifically, what is soul? The core essence of being. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The core essence of being. Since mass people agree to it but science not yet, such thing can yet be said "pseudoscientific" till they can understand "prime force of all forces". "Science and the soul Science and medicine seeks naturalistic accounts of the observable natural world. This stance is known as methodological naturalism[4], which is silent on the question of whether non-material or supernatural entities, such as the soul, can or do exist as distinct from natural entities. Scientists, therefore, investigate the soul as a human belief or as concept that shapes cognition and understanding of the world (see Memetics), rather than as an entity in and of itself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul " Probably, speed of such "prime force" if there, may be speed of our thinking and visulizing a distant place--a straight travel not in wave/zig-zag. > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? > > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be said "pseudoscientific" till they can understand "prime force of all > forces". It is an accepted definition of soul: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/soul May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97? > > > <snip> > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It is an accepted definition of soul: By whom? Is it scientific to scientists? > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/soul > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97? > > > > <snip> > > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > It is an accepted definition of soul: > > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/soul > By whom? Is it scientific to scientists? The soul is as real as love is real. Would you dispute the existence of love ? May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97? > > > > > <snip> > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Would you dispute the existence of love ? Personally, I feel "something is there", it is not at all delusion, but yet pseudoscientific. May it be "emitted or reflected spectrum" from our body. > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97? > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The core essence of being. Since mass people agree to it but science not yet, such thing can yet be said "pseudoscientific" till they can understand "prime force of all forces". "Science and the soul Science and medicine seeks naturalistic accounts of the observable natural world. This stance is known as methodological naturalism[4], which is silent on the question of whether non-material or supernatural entities, such as the soul, can or do exist as distinct from natural entities. Scientists, therefore, investigate the soul as a human belief or as concept that shapes cognition and understanding of the world (see Memetics), rather than as an entity in and of itself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul " Probably, speed of such "prime force" if there, may be speed of our thinking and visulizing a distant place--a straight travel not in wave/zig-zag. > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? kumar <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com>, the lighting technician, chatted: > Scientifically, what is soul? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it as a spectrum of forces/wavelengths emitted from our body alike > colours from any substances. The Vermillion Door : Postcultural Nihilism And Subcultural Rationalism Martin V. E. Hewitt-Bentham [Department of Peace Studies, University of California] Charles L. S. Burks [Department of Ontology, University of Michigan] Madonna And Patriarchialist Theory The primary theme of Brophy's [1] analysis of narrative is not discourse, as capitalist socialism suggests, but prediscourse. It could be said that Sontag's essay on subcultural rationalism states that truth is part of the elitist of art. In a sense, the subject is interpolated into a class that includes consciousness as a totality. Thus, Lyotard uses the term 'postcultural nihilism' to denote not theory, as Derrida would have it, but subtheory. But the characteristic theme of the works of Madonna is not materialism, as Lacan would have it, but prematerialism. Any number of materialisms concerning not constructivism, but postconstructivism exist. Thus, Marx suggests the use of substructuralist nihilism to challenge hierarchy. The main theme of the works of Madonna is not, in fact, dedeconstructivism, but subdedeconstructivism. Sex is about closing where Material Girl is about opening. The artist has a choice: either accept Hegel's critique of subcultural rationalism or, alternatively, reject Nietzsche's analysis of subcultural rationalism. If postsemantic theory holds, we have to choose between semanticist nationalism and pretextual narrative. The writer has a choice: either reject Hegel's model of subcultural rationalism and consequently accept that narrative is created by the masses, given that narrativity is distinct from language or, alternatively, reject Cooke's model of subcultural rationalism. However, Derrida promotes the use of postcultural nihilism to deconstruct class divisions. Therefore, several discourses concerning not, in fact, appropriation, but subappropriation may be revealed. Deconstructivist Socialism And The Conceptualist Paradigm Of Context If one examines cultural theory, one is faced with a choice: either accept the conceptualist paradigm of context or conclude that the media is capable of social comment, given that postcultural nihilism is valid. The subject is contextualised into a postcultural discourse that includes art as a reality. In a sense, the subject is interpolated into a subcultural rationalism that includes truth as a totality. A number of materialisms concerning subsemanticist narrative may be revealed. Marx suggests the use of posttextual discourse to challenge sexism. The primary theme of the works of Madonna is not theory, but posttheory. But if subcultural rationalism holds, we have to choose between subsemiotic materialist theory and the semioticist paradigm of narrative. The absurdity, and some would say the failure, of subsemanticist narrative prevalent in Sex is also evident in Sex. However, the poet has a choice: either reject Voltaire's essay on postcultural nihilism and consequently accept that consensus is a product of communication or, alternatively, reject Plato's model of postcultural nihilism and consequently accept that the raison d'etre of the participant is significant form. The premise of subcultural discourse holds that language may be used to entrench the status quo. However, the example of subsemanticist narrative which is a central theme of Material Girl emerges again in Erotica, although in a more self-referential sense. But Sartre promotes the use of neocapitalist textual theory to deconstruct the status quo. But Debord uses the term 'postcultural nihilism' to denote not construction, as subsemanticist narrative suggests, but preconstruction. Parry [2] states that we have to choose between subcultural rationalism and the capitalist paradigm of reality. Debord uses the term 'postcultural nihilism' to denote not desublimation, as subsemanticist narrative suggests, but predesublimation. Bataille uses the term 'postcultural nihilism' to denote not theory, but posttheory. But if subcultural materialism holds, we have to choose between subsemanticist narrative and modern subconstructivist theory. But the writer has a choice: either accept Hume's model of subsemanticist narrative and consequently accept that society has objective value, given that sexuality is equal to consciousness or, alternatively, reject Lacan's essay on subsemanticist narrative and consequently reject that art somewhat surprisingly has significance. However, Bataille suggests the use of postcultural nihilism to analyse and modify class. Thus, the primary theme of the works of Madonna is not, in fact, discourse, but prediscourse. [1] Brophy, H. (1997) The Expression Of Genre : The Dialectic Paradigm Of Context And Surrealism. Schlangekraft [2] Parry, B.G.I. ed. (1999) The Consensuses Of Stasis : Capitalism And Modern Dialectic Theory. Schlangekraft  Signaturealt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005 and April 2006 "K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour, but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion Thou fellow. I can hardly forbear hurling things at him. > Fight-or-flight reason is much related to stress. Can above two types > be related to either fighting type or flight(run away) type? The fight or flight physiological response is not an either or proposition. It is not a psychological trait per se. Merely, the physiological responses that occur in the body to prepare it for abrupt activity ie, to fight or flee. BOTH require adjustments in cardiorespiratory as well as endocrine systems. It is believed to be an ancient adaptation to prepare a human for when we used to have to evade or fight an enemy. Hannibal/Kumar: Don't forget that T2s (even T1s for different reasons) need to be aware that strenuous/intense exercise as much as one might enjoy it can cause hyperglycemia over 200 mg/dl for a period of time after exercising. We need to watch this carefully and even Docs may not know about this problem. Larry > > Fight-or-flight reason is much related to stress. Can above two types > > be related to either fighting type or flight(run away) type? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It is believed to be an ancient adaptation to prepare a human for when > we used to have to evade or fight an enemy. > Hannibal/Kumar: Don't forget that T2s (even T1s for different reasons) > need to be aware that strenuous/intense exercise as much as one might [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > It is believed to be an ancient adaptation to prepare a human for when > > we used to have to evade or fight an enemy. Larry yes, on some links, it is suggested that one should not excercise hard, when glucose levels are high(somewhat 250 -300+). Can it be by buitup more incomplete metabolised glucose or lactic acid? Following links also indicate:- "What is the problem and what is known about it so far? People with diabetes often have trouble keeping their blood glucose at a steady level. Studies have shown that stress can cause glucose levels to rise or fall. However, it's not clear how eating affects glucose levels when people with diabetes are under stress. In one study, people with diabetes performed a stressful task after eating, and this study showed that stress did not affect glucose levels very much. Another study tested people with diabetes who had not eaten. In this study, performing a stressful task resulted in a rise in glucose levels. Those people could have had lower glucose levels because they had not yet eaten. http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-research/summaries/wiesli-stress-diabetes.jsp " "Many sources of stress are not short-term threats. For example, it can take many months to recover from surgery. Stress hormones that are designed to deal with short-term danger stay turned on for a long time. As a result, long-term stress can cause long-term high blood glucose levels. Many long-term sources of stress are mental. Your mind sometimes reacts to a nondangerous event as if it were a real threat. Like physical stress, mental stress can be short term - from taking a test to getting stuck in a traffic jam. It can also be long term: from working for a demanding boss to taking care of an aging parent. In mental stress, the body pumps out hormones to no avail. Neither fighting nor fleeing is any help when the "enemy" is your own mind. http://www.diabetes.org/type-1-diabetes/stress.jsp " I think intervention of sympathetic system was meant to handle sudden and short term stress as "fight or flight" or "earn and eat" or for day time activities and said to be effected by environmental stressers--high noise and bright light wheras para-sympathetic for "rest and digest" or for relaxing/night time activities. But today, by living in modern environment in big/crowded cities, mostly we may be getting persisting environmental and manmade stresses which may be resulting into persisting "sympathtic influences and hyperglycemia" esp. to them, who are already diabetic2 with IR and persisting hyperglycemia and living in big cities.. I put much stress on "persisting stresses currently instead of some stresses previously. Diabetes was not relevant in regards to my earlier comment. I was merely pointing out that fight or flight response was the bodies preparation for immediate action. > Larry yes, on some links, it is suggested that one should not excercise > hard, when glucose levels are high(somewhat 250 -300+). A Type I diabetic with a high blood glucose should not be exercising because the implication is that there is not enough insulin present to move sugar into the muscle. Probably not a real issue in a true Type II, that has circulating insulin but lowered sensitivity. Mild exercise would help to moderate the sugar level, from the immediate effect as well as its sensitizing effect on muscle tissue to utilizing more sugar. Can it be by > buitup more incomplete metabolised glucose The glucose is metabolized in the tissue, ie muscle therfore it would be lowered in the blood. >or lactic acid? You would be producing lactic acid when exercising at higher work levels. Depending on the fitness of the person, most people do not exercise long while producing substantial lactate. You are producing lactate (lactic acid) when the level or exercise is becoming less aerobic and the glucose is no longer being oxidized and delivered to the high energy producing Krebs cycle. When glucose can't enter this cycle lactic acid is produced with a much lower energy production to the body and the lactic acid accumulates, bringing about the burning sensation. > People with diabetes often have trouble keeping their blood glucose at > a steady level. Levels are never steady in a "normal" person, they fluctuate to meet needs. Diabetes is a problem where the swing is much greater in blood sugar. >Studies have shown that stress can cause glucose levels > to rise or fall. A normal response probably along lines of "fight or flight". >However, it's not clear how eating affects glucose > levels when people with diabetes are under stress. Its not clear in "normals" what response occurs, largely because you cannot quantify "stress" nor can you accurately reproduce it between individuals from day to day. > "Many sources of stress are not short-term threats. True and they activate different reponses than "fight or flight" >For example, it can take many months to recover from surgery. Stress hormones that >are designed to deal with short-term danger stay turned on for a long time. > As a result, long-term stress can cause long-term high blood glucose > levels. True but again not the "fight or flight" response. Too many issues are being thrown together that are not directly related. > Neither fighting nor fleeing is any help when the "enemy" is your own mind. True again but not the point. The "f or f" is adapted to meet immediate physical needs, the act of fight or flight is not a treatment. Fight or flight SOLELY means that your body is brought online to meet the needs. The fight or flight response is NOT the same as the chronic stress responses. There is no question that physical or mental stress causes alteration in metabolism. Thats what its for. > Diabetes was not relevant in regards to my earlier comment. I was > merely pointing out that fight or flight response was the bodies [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > responses. There is no question that physical or mental stress causes > alteration in metabolism. Thats what its for. Good explainaton thanks. Fight anf flight is just a brought or old view of sympathetic response. We may fight of flee from any stress. We may fight higher stress say due to hyperglycema/overeating ot just leave it(flight). Anyway; >SOLELY means that your body is brought online to meet the needs. The fight or flight response is NOT the same as the chronic stress responses. There is no question that physical or mental stress causes alteration in metabolism. Thats what its for. How chronic stresses are addressed by body and by neurological system? Personality traits are indicated depending on atonomus system's role. > > Fight-or-flight reason is much related to stress. Can above two types > > be related to either fighting type or flight(run away) type? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It is believed to be an ancient adaptation to prepare a human for when > we used to have to evade or fight an enemy. Allthough some stress hormones are also neurotransmitters which may make their effects as psychlogical or related to neurological syste, but whatever this, we are concerned with " effect of persisting stress due to modern environment in big cities". Just evaulate; "Somogyi effect, also called rebound hyperglycemia (suh-MOH-jee) when the blood glucose level swings high following hypoglycemia. The Somogyi effect may follow an untreated hypoglycemic episode during the night and is caused by the release of stress hormones. From ADA " Does Somogyi effect indicates higher stress during the day(sympathetic nervous system's influence) and relaxation during night (para-sympathetic nervous system's influence)? Can be get fall in glucose levels during night due to para-sympathetic influence(rest and digest)? > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Best wishes. > > Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > Best wishes. Adding to above; "Sympathetic and Parasympathetic Effects Effects on various systems and organs: Eye: (S)dilation of pupil; focusing for distance vision (P)constriction of pupil; focusing for near vision Skin: Sweat glands: (S) - increases secretion (P) - none (not innervated) Arrector pili muscles: (S) - contraction and erection of hairs (P) - none (not innervated) Tear Glands: (S) - none (not innervated) (P) - secretion Cardiovascular System: Blood Vessels: (S) - vasoconstriction and vasodilation (P) - none (not innervated) Heart: (S) - increases heart rate, force of contraction, and blood pressure (P) - decreases heart rate, force of contraction, and blood pressure Adrenal Glands: (S) - secretion of epinephrine and norepinephrine by adrenal medullae (P) - none (not innervated) Respiratory System: Airways: (S) - increases diameter (P) - decreases diameter Respiratory rate: (S) - increases rate (P) - decreases rate Digestive System: General level of activity: (S) - decreases activity (P) - increases activity Liver: **(S) - glycogen breakdown and glucose synthesis and release (P) - glycogen synthesis Skeletal Muscles: (S) - increases force of contraction and glycogen breakdown (P) - none (not innervated)** Urinary System: Kidneys: (S) - decreases urine production (P) - increases urine production Urinary bladder: (S) - constricts sphincter and relaxes urinary bladder (P) - tenses urinary bladder and relaxes sphincter to eliminate urine Reproductive System: (S) - increases glandular secretions and ejaculation in males (P) - erection of penis in males and clitoris in females http://www.innvista.com/HEALTH/anatomy/sympath.htm also; http://courses.cvcc.vccs.edu/WisemanD/sympathetic_and_parasympathetic.htm " I think, above quotes do indicate persisting stress relations with persisting hyperglycemia, IR and diabetes2. ?? Kumar asks: > 5. Which disorders are or can be related to stress > tolerance/resistance? Kumar, I am going to point you to a different tolerance adjuster than you may have thought about. I doubt that it is very common, or it would not have surprised my doctor. I have worked in a pleasurable, but often stressful, career field since 1958. Stress never bothered me. In the past two years, I suddenly became extremely sensitive to stress. The apparent cause: two Cholesterol medications. First Zetia. That triggered a stress sensitivity within about two to three weeks. I quit taking it when I suspected it was causing me trouble. Thinking this could not be true, I started and stopped several times. It was consistent. On starting the medicine stress sensitivity happened after about two weeks and ceased about two weeks after quiting the medicine. My doctor then thought that I was one of the extremely few people who cannot tolerate this medicine and he switched me to Welchol. Welchol took about 8 weeks to start causing increased stress sensitivity. It took a little over a month for me to regain normal stress tolerance after discontinuing Welchol. My doctor's only explanation was that the increased stress sensitivity may have been caused by both medicines decreasing absorption of water soluble vitamins. IB > Kumar asks: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > IB IB, thanks for telling. We can't say, how we are getting stress from many other modern interventions. It looks, stress slowly effects and we may not feel at early stages, but can suddenly find such symptoms. Or at early stages the other leg of ANS can take care and balance the sympathetic imbalances, but when exaused on chronic stresses, symptoms appears. We have to evaluate pathological changes by environment prevailed on modernizations--may it be noise/lighting exposure or pollution,work stress etc. It is surprising that studies look to be not available on changes in stress hormones in city/stressful areas and in remore green stress free areas. |
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