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howe - 16 Sep 2006 06:25 GMT New York Times September 16, 2006
Produce Is Growing Source of Food Illness By MARIAN BURROS
The outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 linked to prepackaged fresh spinach is the latest in an increasing number of food-borne illnesses from fruits and vegetables.
Dr. David Acheson, chief medical officer for the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition at the Food and Drug Administration, said the evidence so far suggested that those who became ill had eaten the spinach uncooked.
But the agency has issued a blanket warning, recommending that consumers throw out all prepackaged fresh spinach rather than cooking it because of the chance of cross-contamination. Health officials are concerned that, out of the package, the bacteria could contaminate other foods that are eaten raw.
"We have a product contaminated with an agent that shouldn't be there, so it is necessary to get rid of it," Dr. Acheson said.
He said he was struck by the high number of adults who had developed hemolytic uremic syndrome, a deadly complication from E. coli that can cause kidney failure. The syndrome typically develops in children.
The United Fresh Produce Association agreed with the agency's recommendation and has "basically shut down the entire spinach industry," said its chief executive officer, Tom Stenzel. "We have stopped sending further spinach and salad mixes containing fresh spinach to market and pulled them off retail shelves."
Virtually all the spinach sold this time of year in the United States is grown here, mostly in California.
The current outbreak follows food-borne illnesses from cucumbers, tomatoes, lettuce, strawberries, raspberries, cantaloupes and unpasteurized apple and orange juices over the last several years. In 2004, produce-related outbreaks surpassed those associated with beef, poultry or fish, with 86 outbreaks, compared with 29 in 1997, when the states started electronic reporting to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Richard H. Linton, director of the Center for Food Safety Engineering at Purdue University, said he was not surprised by the recent outbreak. "In the last 20 years, the incidence of produce-related food-borne illness has increase two and a half to three times," Dr. Linton said.
Even though chlorine is used to sanitize bagged greens in the washing process, it does not guarantee safety because the levels of the chemical used are not strong enough to kill all bacteria.
Consumers can reduce their chances of eating contaminated raw fruits and vegetables. Experts recommend the following:
- Scrub produce thoroughly under running water. But do not wash food from packages labeled triple-washed, to prevent cross-contamination in the home.
- Wash and dry the exterior of all fruits and vegetables, including cantaloupe.
- Scrape skin of carrots and cucumbers.
- Prevent cross-contamination with raw meats, fish and poultry.
- Do not snack from produce displays in supermarkets.
- Young children, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems may want to eat cooked or canned fruits and vegetables.
Caroline Smith DeWaal, director of food safety at the Center for Science in the Public Interest, gives the F.D.A. high marks for its early warning to consumers, something it has not done in the past.
In August and September 2003 the agency was aware of outbreaks of hepatitis A traced to green onions in three states, but there was no public notification. As a result, an outbreak of hepatitis A from green onions at a Chi-Chi's restaurant in October was responsible for 650 illnesses and 4 deaths.
tedorn44@hotmail.com - 16 Sep 2006 12:33 GMT America, or at least the politicians, love that cheap hispanic labor. Stock up on toilet paper, more interesting micro critters coming.
ted
> New York Times > September 16, 2006 [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > green onions at a Chi-Chi's restaurant in October was responsible for > 650 illnesses and 4 deaths. Bob Ward - 17 Sep 2006 07:46 GMT >America, or at least the politicians, love that cheap hispanic labor. >Stock up on toilet paper, more interesting micro critters coming. > >ted
>> Virtually all the spinach sold this time of year in the United States >> is grown here, mostly in California. From the very post you were top-posting your stupidity on...
AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 16 Sep 2006 13:23 GMT > New York Times > September 16, 2006 > > Produce Is Growing Source of Food Illness > By MARIAN BURROS snip
you are aware that we use human waste sludge to fertilize crops in this country, right?
Blair P. Houghton - 17 Sep 2006 04:14 GMT >you are aware that we use human waste sludge to fertilize crops in this >country, right? Why not? I mean, as long as we're electing it...
--Blair
Ken - 18 Sep 2006 19:53 GMT > > Produce Is Growing Source of Food Illness > > By MARIAN BURROS > snip > > you are aware that we use human waste sludge to fertilize crops in this > country, right? As far as I know, here in California, it is against the law to use human waste on food crops. Human waste can be used on ornamental crops such as flowers or nursery plants. And it can be used on animal feed such as hay or alfalfa. But I believe it to be illegal to use on human food crops.
Are other states different? (I know other countries do.)
Ken
bearclaw@cruller.invalid - 18 Sep 2006 21:30 GMT > > > Produce Is Growing Source of Food Illness > > > By MARIAN BURROS [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ken I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya.
Dave Bugg - 18 Sep 2006 21:46 GMT > I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in > Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya. It ain't raw, unprocessed human waste, though.
http://www.epa.gov/owm/mtb/biosolids/genqa.htm
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 18 Sep 2006 23:32 GMT >> I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in >> Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya. > > It ain't raw, unprocessed human waste, though. but what if it didn't quite process enough? could lead to the e coli thing.
> http://www.epa.gov/owm/mtb/biosolids/genqa.htm Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 00:06 GMT > but what if it didn't quite process enough? could lead to the e coli > thing. Any evidence to support that "what if"? Biosolid processing is similar to any other composting; raising the temp of the biosolids to a level that kills pathogens.
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 19 Sep 2006 00:14 GMT >> but what if it didn't quite process enough? could lead to the e coli >> thing. > > Any evidence to support that "what if"? Biosolid processing is similar to > any other composting; raising the temp of the biosolids to a level that > kills pathogens. well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know?
Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 00:20 GMT > well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know? And your mom might have forgotten to wash her hands after doing #2 and handling raw chicken prior to making your peanut butter sandwich. Who'd know?
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 19 Sep 2006 12:43 GMT >> well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know? > > And your mom might have forgotten to wash her hands after doing #2 and > handling raw chicken prior to making your peanut butter sandwich. Who'd > know? exactly. that still doesn't mean it's okay to spread any form of human waste on crops.
John A. Weeks III - 19 Sep 2006 13:32 GMT > >> well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > exactly. that still doesn't mean it's okay to spread any form of human > waste on crops. Check out the website for Metrogro, the Madison, Wisconsin, Metro Sewer System. They take the output product from the sewer system, called "bio solids", and truck them to farms all over Dane County for spreading on farm fields. They have been doing this since the early 1980's that I know of, and it doesn't seem to have created any problems that I have heard of.
-john-
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 19 Sep 2006 16:09 GMT >> >> well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know? >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > it doesn't seem to have created any problems that I have > heard of. then perhaps we should start bio-soliding dog and cat crap. yum.
i'm not a farmer, but i come from a long line of them. here it is:
first rule: never fertilize w/ the poopy of any meat-eating animal. second rule: always allow the poopy from vegetation-eating animals to compost before using it.
Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 17:50 GMT Nothing.
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Rob - 25 Sep 2006 04:51 GMT >>>>> well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know? >>>> And your mom might have forgotten to wash her hands after doing #2 and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > second rule: always allow the poopy from vegetation-eating > animals to compost before using it. The above would be hard to do now. From what I understand, anamals, such as cows, and chickens that are suppose to eat a veg based diet, are being fed meat by-products, and processeed fecal matter as a way to boost the protein on the food.
I wonder if all that can cause problems like we are starting to see now?
Rob
.......@.................. - 25 Sep 2006 07:02 GMT Well then, EAT sh.t and DIE !!!!!
>>>>>> well perhaps the thermostat was wrong for one batch? who'd know? >>>>> And your mom might have forgotten to wash her hands after doing #2 and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Rob Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 17:46 GMT > exactly. that still doesn't mean it's okay to spread any form of > human waste > on crops. <pheeew> Right over your head. Clue: suppositions and what ifs aint science, bubba.
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Julia Altshuler - 19 Sep 2006 00:40 GMT >>but what if it didn't quite process enough? could lead to the e coli >>thing. > > Any evidence to support that "what if"? Biosolid processing is similar to > any other composting; raising the temp of the biosolids to a level that > kills pathogens. Besides, I thought the e.coli in this instance was being traced to animal guts, not human. E. coli live in the intestines of cattle too. If untreated (or not treated enough) animal manure gets into the fertilizer or irrigation systems, that could cause an outbreak as well.
--Lia
Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 00:47 GMT > Besides, I thought the e.coli in this instance was being traced to > animal guts, not human. Correct. E. coli O157:H7 is found in animals, not humans. It is only one strain out of many different strains of E. coli. There are E.coli strains that are normally found in the human gut that are harmless.
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Nancy Young - 18 Sep 2006 22:42 GMT > I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in > Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya. You've seen it? You can tell it's human by sight? (laugh) Now that's a skill.
nancy (just busting your chops)
Peter A - 19 Sep 2006 13:12 GMT > > I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in > > Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > nancy (just busting your chops) Maybe the taste of the corn gives it away <g>.
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Nancy Young - 19 Sep 2006 13:27 GMT "Peter A" <paitken@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote > rjynly@comcast.net says...
>> > I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in >> > Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> nancy (just busting your chops)
> Maybe the taste of the corn gives it away <g>. Ack!! (laugh) nancy
Bob Ward - 20 Sep 2006 02:50 GMT >> > I have seen liquified human waste spread on feed corn fields in >> > Wisconsin. Now, there's an industry for ya. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Maybe the taste of the corn gives it away <g>. It's the second time through that makes the difference.
AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 18 Sep 2006 23:32 GMT >> > Produce Is Growing Source of Food Illness >> > By MARIAN BURROS [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Are other states different? (I know other countries do.) the waste is somehow processed/treated at the "poopy plant" (i'd guess to kill off all the bacteria?) and then sold as sludge, which may not be considered human waste at that point.
Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 00:10 GMT > the waste is somehow processed/treated at the "poopy plant" (i'd > guess to kill off > all the bacteria?) and then sold as sludge, which may not be > considered human > waste at that point. Just to be clear: Raw sewage is untreated human waste entering the waste treatment plant Sludge is the material left over after the treatment process Biosolids is what is left after further treating and processing sludge. Biosolids are what are used on agricultural fields in all 50 states. Sludge is not.
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 19 Sep 2006 00:16 GMT >> the waste is somehow processed/treated at the "poopy plant" (i'd >> guess to kill off [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Biosolids are what are used on agricultural fields in all 50 states. > Sludge is not. semantics. it's still human poop.
Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 00:23 GMT > semantics. it's still human poop. Sure, semantics. And garden compost is just garbage. And cheese is just rotten milk. And stupidity is just perpetuated ignorance.
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 19 Sep 2006 12:41 GMT >> semantics. it's still human poop. > > Sure, semantics. And garden compost is just garbage. And cheese is just > rotten milk. And stupidity is just perpetuated ignorance. vegetable compost cannot give you e. coli. i don't want my food fertilized with any form of human waste.
Dave Bugg - 19 Sep 2006 17:54 GMT > vegetable compost cannot give you e. coli. And neither can biosolids.
> i don't want my food > fertilized with any form of human waste. Then don't shop at a store to get your food, 'cause every state has farms using biosolids as part of their soil amendments.
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-bwg - 20 Sep 2006 19:07 GMT > > the waste is somehow processed/treated at the "poopy plant" (i'd > > guess to kill off [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Biosolids are what are used on agricultural fields in all 50 states. Sludge > is not. What happens to the sludge?
Curious minds... -bwg
Dave Bugg - 20 Sep 2006 20:40 GMT > What happens to the sludge? For waste treatment plants that don't further process the sludge into biosolid material, they will either dump them into landfills or send it off for incineration.
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Rob - 25 Sep 2006 04:53 GMT >> the waste is somehow processed/treated at the "poopy plant" (i'd >> guess to kill off [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Biosolids are what are used on agricultural fields in all 50 states. Sludge > is not. Ah, that answers a question I had about it. Thanks for clearing that up, Dave.
Rob
Rob - 25 Sep 2006 04:46 GMT >> New York Times >> September 16, 2006 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you are aware that we use human waste sludge to fertilize crops in this > country, right? Yes, I hear thats what they do with all the sewer sludge from the plants that treat human waste. Or they use to. Is this still correct do you know?
Do they still use human waste to grow "organic" crops?
Rob
Wordsmith - 17 Sep 2006 21:36 GMT > New York Times > September 16, 2006 [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > green onions at a Chi-Chi's restaurant in October was responsible for > 650 illnesses and 4 deaths. Popeye won't be pleased. Boop. Boop.
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Alan Moorman@visi.com - 18 Sep 2006 18:49 GMT We knew that.......
Alan
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It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death. I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem take care of itself.
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately - 18 Sep 2006 19:44 GMT > We knew that....... knew what?
> Alan > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -------------------------------------------------------- Bert Hyman - 18 Sep 2006 19:47 GMT >> We knew that....... > > knew what? That food is a source of "food illness".
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