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reeder - 13 Sep 2006 01:57 GMT
MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
agencies and raised the prospect of restrictions at other catwalk
pageants.

Madrid's fashion week has turned away underweight models after
protests that young girls and women were trying to copy their
rail-thin looks and developing eating disorders.

Organizers say they want to project an image of beauty and health,
rather than a waif-like, or heroin chic look.

But Cathy Gould, of New York's Elite modeling agency, said the fashion
industry was being used as a scapegoat for illnesses like anorexia and
bulimia.

"I think its outrageous, I understand they want to set this tone of
healthy beautiful women, but what about discrimination against the
model and what about the freedom of the designer," said Gould, Elite's
North America director, adding that the move could harm careers of
naturally "gazelle-like" models.

Madrid's regional government, which sponsors the show and imposed
restrictions, said it did not blame designers and models for anorexia.
It said the fashion industry had a responsibility to portray healthy
body images.

"Fashion is a mirror and many teenagers imitate what they see on the
catwalk," said regional official Concha Guerra.

The mayor of Milan, Italy, Letizia Moratti told an Italian newspaper
this week she would seek a similar ban for her city's show unless it
could find a solution to "sick" looking models.

QUALITY, NOT SIZE

The Madrid show is using the body mass index or BMI -- based on weight
and height -- to measure models. It has turned away 30 percent of
women who took part in the previous event. Medics will be on hand at
the September 18-22 show to check models.

Under the Madrid ruling, models must have a BMI rating of around 18.
That would disqualify top Spanish model Esther Canadas, and
supermodels like Kate Moss, based on unofficial records of their
height and weight.

"The restrictions could be quite a shock to the fashion world at the
beginning, but I'm sure it's important as far as health is concerned,"
said Leonor Perez Pita, director of Madrid's show, also known as the
Pasarela Cibeles.

When asked if they supported controls, seven Spanish designers showing
at Madrid either declined to comment or said they did not want to
become involved in the controversy. Designers in Milan gave a similar
response.

A spokeswoman for the Association of Fashion Designers of Spain, which
represents those at Madrid fashion week, said the group supported
restrictions and its concern was the quality of collections, not the
size of models.

Eating disorder activists said many Spanish model agencies and
designers oppose the ban and they had doubts whether the new rules
would be followed.

"If they don't go along with it the next step is to seek legislation,
just like with tobacco," said Carmen Gonzalez of Spain's Association
in Defense of Attention for Anorexia and Bulimia, which has campaigned
for restrictions since the 1990s.

Elite's Gould said fashion was not to blame for eating disorders that
usually started at home due to poor eating habits and constant dieting
by mothers.

So far, Madrid's move has yet to spark a worldwide trend toward
catwalk shows with curvier figures.

London Fashion Week said in a statement it would not put restrictions
on what type of models its designers use.
jenius - 13 Sep 2006 11:22 GMT
> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
> London Fashion Week said in a statement it would not put restrictions
> on what type of models its designers use.

wow, unusual common sense at last, from an industry that to long has
presented the unreal as the real.  this could be a first step to
accepting all women, for whatever size.  jenius
Daedalus - 13 Sep 2006 19:46 GMT
>> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
>> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
>presented the unreal as the real.  this could be a first step to
>accepting all women, for whatever size.  jenius

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Jade
pandora - 14 Sep 2006 04:53 GMT
> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Indeed.  Who cares anyway?  I mean, just WHO can possibly wear those
outrageous outfits in the first place?  I haven't even bothered looking at
the new fashions for the past 10 years.

Marg

> Jade
Daedalus - 14 Sep 2006 12:44 GMT
>> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
>> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>outrageous outfits in the first place?  I haven't even bothered looking at
>the new fashions for the past 10 years.

Runway shows aren't for normal people, that's for sure. I'm frankly
not sure who they are for.

Jade
puppet_sock@hotmail.com - 14 Sep 2006 20:23 GMT
[snip]
> Runway shows aren't for normal people, that's for sure. I'm frankly
> not sure who they are for.

That's easy. Runway shows are for teenage boys.
Socks
pandora - 15 Sep 2006 00:44 GMT
> [snip]
> > Runway shows aren't for normal people, that's for sure. I'm frankly
> > not sure who they are for.
>
> That's easy. Runway shows are for teenage boys.
> Socks

YOu think so?  Really>  So teenage boys like to look at what look like
prepubescent girls?

Hmmmm.....

Marg
pandora - 14 Sep 2006 23:49 GMT
> >> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> >> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 88 lines]
> Runway shows aren't for normal people, that's for sure. I'm frankly
> not sure who they are for.

Well, I have to admit that I did take a quick peek at this year's fashions.
(MY 11 year old granddaughter forced me to.)  She wants to be a
ballerina/model/designer.  Well she IS only
11 years old.  However, she could be any one of them, now.  She's as tall as
I am already and about a size 0.  The skinniest little thing I've ever seen.
Of course, since her mama has a problem with *fat*, I can't even be an old
fashioned grandma and tell her to Eat, eat, eat.  :-)  I do worry though
when her teen years arrive and she begins to fatten up a bit.  If she does,
I'm concerned
that she'll be very upset about it.  You see, she KNOWS that right now she
has the *perfect*
body, according to the fashion designers.  At 11 mind you!  She shouldn't
even know that in the
first place, IMO.  All I can do is be there and hope and keep telling her
that a skinny body isn't
the beall and endall of life.

Marg

> Jade
jenius - 14 Sep 2006 08:47 GMT
> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
>
> Jade

jade,  why don't you accept that you hate fat people and take your
sarcasm elsewhere, you are beginning to bore me now.....jenius
Daedalus - 14 Sep 2006 12:45 GMT
>> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
>> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
>jade,  why don't you accept that you hate fat people and take your
>sarcasm elsewhere, you are beginning to bore me now.....jenius

I dont' hate fat people, idiot. Now go get some trolling lessons. Only
Grunty is stupid enough to buy your hilarious act.

Jade
jenius - 16 Sep 2006 18:27 GMT
> >> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> >> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>
> Jade

hear hear everyone, why is jade so very, very, hostile? comments? jenius
jenius - 21 Sep 2006 17:23 GMT
> >> >> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> >> >> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>
> Jade
if I were to take trolling lessons it would be from someone that has a
least half a brain....run Forrest, run.....jenius
rdubose@pdq.net - 13 Sep 2006 20:16 GMT
> > MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> > top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
> presented the unreal as the real.  this could be a first step to
> accepting all women, for whatever size.  jenius

  You are confusing cause with effect. Models starting getting thinner
after ordinary people started getting fatter. Fat is pretty scary if
you are a woman wanting to look hot so what we are seeing is an attempt
to get as far away from it as possible.
  The problem with being "pleasantly plump" is that it is only 5 lbs
away from being a disaster.
  All that these idiots in Madrid will accomplish is to increase the
allure of thin models. Like "banning" something in the fashion world
ever made it less cool.
Ragnar - 13 Sep 2006 21:42 GMT
> > > MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> > > top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 82 lines]
>    You are confusing cause with effect. Models starting getting thinner
> after ordinary people started getting fatter.

Noooo, European high fashion has worshipped the ultra thin model since
the 1960s when rates of obesity were a fraction of what they are today.
The obesity phenomenon has really only become prevalent in the last 10
to 12 years. Before that very minor amounts of truly obese people
existed within the world's populations.

>Fat is pretty scary if
> you are a woman wanting to look hot so what we are seeing is an attempt
> to get as far away from it as possible.
>    The problem with being "pleasantly plump" is that it is only 5 lbs
> away from being a disaster.

Are you sure about that? It might be disastrous in your world but for
most women 5 pounds up or down can be a normal weight fluctuation and
in reality does not spell disaster.

>    All that these idiots in Madrid will accomplish is to increase the
> allure of thin models. Like "banning" something in the fashion world
> ever made it less cool.

Well at least here we can agree, the ban on ultra thin models is
totally stupid. It will only serve to encourage the fashion world to
use the prepubescent waif look as some form of taboo cutting edge
fashion statement.

Ragnar
vitruvian23@gmail.com - 14 Sep 2006 03:49 GMT
> wow, unusual common sense at last, from an industry that to long has
> presented the unreal as the real.  this could be a first step to
> accepting all women, for whatever size.  jenius

Except those who are naturally very skinny, of course.

While I agree that anorexia and bulima are serious problems, that much
of the fashion industry promotes an unhealthy obsession with body
image, and that *some* measure makes sense here, I do wonder if the
good folks in Madrid are providing models with low BMIs an opportunity
to demonstrate that they are actually at a healthy weight for their
body types, i.e. that they are not actually subject to eating
disorders.

If not, please explain how this is not discrimination based on body
type?
zeez - 13 Sep 2006 14:31 GMT
> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> protests that young girls and women were trying to copy their
> rail-thin looks and developing eating disorders.

GOOD! Because people see this sh.t in the magazines, shows, etc, and
try to copy
it, and goad others int doing this as well. This is especialy intense
in enviroments such as
schools where being "cool" is of paramount importance to kids.
Shanahan - 13 Sep 2006 22:35 GMT
As a young girl I was always underwieght and tall. I hated the comments
and remarks that most people made, "don't you ever eat anything?", "put
some meat on your bones" and so on. I never did anything to make myself
thin, I was just that way. Once I became 15, I begain to fill out in
the 'rump', but I was still too skinny weighing 110lbs at 5'9". Then I
was told I should become a model. I subscribed to all the teen
magazines at compared myself with the models. I didn't think I was
'thin' enough to be a model!
I feel the ban on skinny models shouldn't be, but designers should
include all sizes and shapes of women. Our socity is very stuck on
thinking women who are not a certian size are not capable of being show
worthy. A lot of our teens are become unhealthy and thin to please
societies image of a beautiful women. Even many (not all) men, think
being a skinny women is more beautiful than a women who is a bit
'chunky'. It's all about image and advertisement!
Can't people who think the 'skinny' way start looking at the inside not
only the outside? I understand about the health issue, but that isn't
what is on their mind.
Robin King - 14 Sep 2006 08:42 GMT
| I feel the ban on skinny models shouldn't be, but designers should
| include all sizes and shapes of women.

       Excellent point with which I fully agree.  Let them also
include a wide range of ages, too.

Robin
Old_Timer - 14 Sep 2006 16:12 GMT
>| I feel the ban on skinny models shouldn't be, but designers should
>| include all sizes and shapes of women.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Robin

You've touched upon another form of discrimination "Ageism".  
The big difference between discrimination due to age and
discrimination due to excess fat is that the only way to avoid
becoming old is to die at an undue early age.

Old_Timer
Basilic33@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 22:12 GMT
> As a young girl I was always underwieght and tall. I hated the comments
> and remarks that most people made, "don't you ever eat anything?", "put
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> worthy. A lot of our teens are become unhealthy and thin to please
> societies image of a beautiful women.

"Even many (not all) men, think being a skinny women is more beautiful
than a women who is a bit 'chunky'. It's all about image and
advertisement!"

Being a hetrosexual man, having many male friends and after many
discussions with strangers on this topic, you have it wrong. The truth
is that most men do not like overly skinny women, and concerning black
and hispanic men, more chunk, more funk.

Personally, I find skinny women have no form. I associate them with
many oriental women, who are far from fat/obese, but lack in shape,
having a body form resembling men. What's wrong with having a little
extra aroung the hips? Gives you girls a bit of an hourglass figure,
even if you have a tiny tire. How many men can resist the big round
booty of a black woman wearing a tight pair of jeans?

> Can't people who think the 'skinny' way start looking at the inside not
> only the outside? I understand about the health issue, but that isn't
> what is on their mind.
David - 18 Sep 2006 22:35 GMT
>Personally, I find skinny women have no form. I associate them with
>many oriental women, who are far from fat/obese, but lack in shape,
>having a body form resembling men. What's wrong with having a little
>extra aroung the hips? Gives you girls a bit of an hourglass figure,
>even if you have a tiny tire. How many men can resist the big round
>booty of a black woman wearing a tight pair of jeans?

I have never felt any attraction to that at all.  In fact it rather
remainds me of a baboon.

David
Larry Bud - 14 Sep 2006 13:33 GMT
> "I think its outrageous, I understand they want to set this tone of
> healthy beautiful women, but what about discrimination against the
> model and what about the freedom of the designer,"

Discrimination against the model?  Hiliarious!  The whole modeling
agency's basis is discrimination!
Wordsmith - 21 Sep 2006 20:47 GMT
> MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
> top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
> London Fashion Week said in a statement it would not put restrictions
> on what type of models its designers use.

The fashion world is itself rather shocking.  

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