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Medical Forum / General / General / July 2006Questions for Bryan and others
Bryan, You answered one of my other questions and I later found out that you was !00 per cent correct so let's try again. I own a book that is entitled: "Laboratory Test Handbook--Concise--With Disease Index" 2nd edition. published 2002. Written by David S. Jacobs, M.D Wayne R. DeMott, M.D Dwight K. Oxley, M.D. 1348 pages- I found a discussion of Serum Aluminum on pages 128-129. I found the following quotations in the above mentioned book: "The potential toxicity of AL includes microcytic hypochromic anemia and its role in progressive dementia and osteodystrophy." There is a list of 10 items to look for in relation to "signs and symptoms of possible chronic intoxication from high levels of serum aluminium": these items were on that list: encephalopathy (e.g. stuttering, gait disturbance) proximal myopathy increased left ventricular mass The following quotation was taken from the above mentioned book: "Serum Al correlates with Al-bone disease. There is evidence that Al may play a role in Alzheimer disease. Prolonged intravenous feeding of preterm infants with solutions containing Al is associated with impaired neurologic development." references: Bishop NJ, Morley R, Day JP, et al "Alumnium Neurotoxicity in Preterm Infants Receiving Intraventeous Feeding Solutions." N Engl J Medicine, 1997, 336(22) 1557-61 My question: After reading the above information, do you agree or disagree that toxicity is a medical problem in relation to the use of alumnium in medications? If you agree that toxicity is a medical problem in regard to the use of aluminum, do you believe that Al should be used in vaccines? When children do develop severe reactions as a result of receiving vaccines containing Al, is it because of Al toxicity or are other issues involved? Do you agree or disagree that scientists should find a substitute for Al in regard to vaccines? If Mark or anyone else wants to answer the above questions, feel free to do so. Thanks in advance, Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Bryan, >You answered one of my other questions and I later found [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >that toxicity is a medical problem in relation to the use of alumnium in >medications? There is no info above that would allow an informed judgment to be made. For one thing, nothing is said about the levels of Al involved in any of those findings. Presumably that info is available. Second, the paper by Bishop et al mentioned above deals with infants and developmental concerns. So it would have no relevance to "adults", and even extrapolation to "children" would be questionable. As near as I can tell from casual reading re Al and Alzheimer's, any causal link is questionable. That is, it is hard to completely disprove it, but it is certainly not clear there is any such link. >If you agree that toxicity is a medical problem in regard to the use of >aluminum, do you believe that Al should be used in vaccines? For the sake of discussion, accepting the premise (after all, at some dose, Al -- like everything else -- can be harmful)... There is no way to address the question without more info. How much Al is in the vaccines (or other medicines or cosmetic products)? How does that compare to our normal dietary intake of Al? How long does it stay in the body. (Note that your list of symptoms above is for _chronic_ intoxication.) What is the lowest level at which any Al toxicity has been shown or can be reasonably assumed? Etc. There are numbers available that can allow a meaningful, even if not necessarily conclusive, discussion. But without numbers, no meaningful discussion is possible.) bob On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:18:16 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote: >Bryan, >You answered one of my other questions and I later found [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >that toxicity is a medical problem in relation to the use of alumnium in >medications? There is no info above that would allow an informed judgment to be made. For one thing, nothing is said about the levels of Al involved in any of those findings. Presumably that info is available. Second, the paper by Bishop et al mentioned above deals with infants and developmental concerns. So it would have no relevance to "adults", and even extrapolation to "children" would be questionable. As near as I can tell from casual reading re Al and Alzheimer's, any causal link is questionable. That is, it is hard to completely disprove it, but it is certainly not clear there is any such link. >If you agree that toxicity is a medical problem in regard to the use of >aluminum, do you believe that Al should be used in vaccines? For the sake of discussion, accepting the premise (after all, at some dose, Al -- like everything else -- can be harmful)... There is no way to address the question without more info. How much Al is in the vaccines (or other medicines or cosmetic products)? How does that compare to our normal dietary intake of Al? How long does it stay in the body. (Note that your list of symptoms above is for _chronic_ intoxication.) What is the lowest level at which any Al toxicity has been shown or can be reasonably assumed? Etc. There are numbers available that can allow a meaningful, even if not necessarily conclusive, discussion. But without numbers, no meaningful discussion is possible.) bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bob, Thanks for your post. It was helpful. Based upon my research, Al does appear to me to me safer than mercury (in relation to its use in vaccines). However, I do believe that a substitute should be found. I agree that more research needs to be done in relation to making use of Al in medicines and vaccines. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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