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"Brad Guth" <ieisbradguth@yahoo.com> responded to
"First Men on the Moon -- DRESS REHEARSAL..." -" which
he courageously posted to sci.physics, sci.anthropology,
sci.astro and alt.alien.visitors...
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> DRESS REHEARSAL -- First Men on the Moon ...
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First, this (by Ed Conrad):
http://www.gaiaguys.net/moontruth.htm
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Then this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations#Origins_of_the
_accusations
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Ed Conrad
> http://www.edconrad.com
< Man as Old as Coal
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> DISCOVERY OF PETRIFIED BONES, TEETH AND SOFT
> ORGANS BETWEEN ANTHRACITE VEINS CONFIRMS
> THEORY OF MAN'S EVOLUTION UNMITIGATED CRAP
< (And Here's the Proof in a Nutshell)
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> THE INTREPID BRAD GUTH'S RESPONSE
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Ed Conrad ( http://www.edconrad.com/ ),
We see that you've attracted the usual Usenet gangs and ruse masters
of topic/author stalkers, bashers and disinformation wizards as doing
their usual efforts at attempting to banish anything and everything
you have to share. Gee whiz, what a surprise.
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I agree that this pure form of their evolution ideology that we're
being continually told and otherwise forced to accept, that's
supposedly limited to this one and only Earthly environment is in fact
absolute horse pucky, as well as being as you say "UNMITIGATED CRAP".
Not that nature's random happenstance of evolution or bust doesn't
transpire or otherwise adapt, as it's certainly capable of having
mutated itself over great many tens if not hundreds of millions of
years of getting around to either improving upon itself or having died
off in the process because of having gone the wrong way (DNA mutations
that zigged when it should of zagged), or perhaps at some point life
other than human simply couldn't or rather didn't need to improve any
further since so much of the existing life upon this Earth that truly
matters has long since been ideally suited and thus having become
perfectly engineered, by that of having achieved their final design as
is, established as of millions of years prior to those first supposed
intelligent humans ever having deposited their first butt-loads of
their supposed intellectual crapolla upon this Earth.
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Your discoveries and subsequent research are every bit as invaluable
truth as were each of those Dropa/Dzopa stone disks having told of
their 10,000 BC history, of upon their arrival of having to adapt and
of ET technology that got those small stature folks to this extremely
wet and salty Earth of ours in the first place. The discovery of "man
as old as coal" is clearly of more scientific importance than being
given credit for, and for that you're being banished by the mainstream
status quo is what offers the rest of us all the more proof that your
discovery and subsequent research (that's more than sufficiently
replicated) is simply a whole lot more honest, invaluable and of
greater importance than what the rest of us are being allowed to know
about.
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You are obviously another bad-guy outsider that's rocking those
infomercial-science boats of their mainstream status quo, and thereby
of a horrific danger to each and every one of their spendy
institutions of somewhat phony baloney religious cults that have
continually rejected upon all such forms of hard-science that'll
suggest upon anything except their one and only purest form of
creatorless/godless existence, and especially against any and all
forms of our ever having involved via ET intelligent design, as
opposed to our having to accept their one and only stance, of
absolutely everything mainstream or bust being that of a purely
terrestrial evolution that hardly took any geological or biological
mutation time at all, as having been continually shoved in our face by
way of those of us having "the right stuff".
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Only of much older evolution and/or of intelligent design as derived
from what's external to our planet is what best explains as to what
must have transpired so quickly on behalf of having created and/or
having deposited the various life and thereby environment essentials
and of introducing the intelligent forms of humanity that's now
sequestered upon this ET terraformed Earth (remember that Earth was
once upon a time Venus like), that's currently in the ongoing process
of global warming and of our being eaten alive by all of those other
complex DNA as having been technically superior to those of our's,
whereas now we also have our very own new and improved germs, of
insurmountably lethal staff microbes, as well as having to cope with
the existing megatonnes worth of various robust insects and bugs as
also having mutated so as to survive in spite of humanity, and we're
even having to survive the ongoing demise that contributed by more
than a few of our own kind going postal, as a demise that's insured by
way of the vast majority of the somewhat modern day intelligent
aspects of human life as having supposedly transpired only since the
last ice-age, which obviously isn't affording sufficient terrestrial
evolutionary logic nor hardly given enough biological time as to
having naturally evolved such lethal intelligence. Instead of our
evolution having naturally achieved better DNA attributes, plus
whatever the supposed smarts to go along as it that should have
managed, whereas I tend to believe this phase in our development
hasn't transpired without such having involved a good deal of
outside/ET give or take.
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Basically, we are a rather pathetic mutated evolution worth of a human
species (ET rejects), of mostly incest born-again liars and bigots on
steroids that would much rather allow folks and even of our own kind
to die instead of sharing the truth. Your "First Men on the Moon -
DRESS REHEARSAL -- Astronauts or AstroNOTS?" indicates that
yourself as well as many of us do not believe we've walked upon that
physically dark and nasty moon of ours, at least not to the extent and
way that we've been informed, if at all.
In addition to your "moontruth"
<http://www.gaiaguys.net/moontruth.htm>, there's so much more of
hard-scientific truth to being told. However, what that silly
NASA/Apollo movie demonstrates and thus proves is that the artificial
simulation of their unusually reflective moon terrain and of folks in
moonsuits walking about was perfectly doable without their ever
leaving that guano island where so much of it transpired, as well as
there being other proof-positive examples of their hocus-pocus
photographic expertise to behold, that I would be glad to point out.
Basically, it's scientifically a matter of proven facts upon facts
that our Third Reich friends and of their Jewish collaborators of all
those NASA wizards got their Apollo EVA moon albedo dead wrong, the
deep/rich colors of that dark basalt and otherwise unavoidably solar
and cosmic deposited worth of minerals and raw element rich terrain as
simply being incorrect, as well as of what should have been tens of
meters deep in sooty moon-dust that's of so many local and contributed
deposits including those of various salts is simply all wrong
according to those supposed infomercial samples of our moon, as well
as proven by their passive and very terrestrial like illumination
spectrum as being clearly incorrect, that is unless that raw sun was
somehow limited to the spectrum of a xenon lamp.
Those shadows upon the moon are technically wrong and inconsistent
with the laws of physics, and there's absolutely no sign of any bluish
earthshine and even a few too many of their Kodak moments as having
been officially contributed where mother Earth was either greater than
half illuminated or as having only provided a minimal crescent is
either way having established the proof-positive as being another
perfectly replicated example of their being dead wrong, as in LLPOF
and perpetrated cold-war dead wrong.
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Apparently on this NASA/Apollo guano island of a moon that was
artificially dusted with merely Portland cement, whereas there's less
radiation than a few nasty places here on Earth, and nothing of cosmic
or solar contributed dosage to worry about. Apparently physical
incoming debris is not the least bit of a safety factor, even though
that stuff of all sizes and density can be arriving without warning
from all directions at 30+ km/s.
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The depth of what would have to have been that of an extremely low
surface-tension worthy moon-dust, that so nicely clumps w/o water or
any other binder, is almost nonexistent (doesn't seem to exist at all
within the cracks of those large moon rocks), which means that our
salty moon either isn't very old or it's frequently getting blown
clean, and it's certainly not being the least bit electrostatic nor in
any way reactive. Thus most every law of physics is different upon
that supposedly moonsuit friendly moon of ours. Now all we need are
actual fly-by-rocket lander with powerful momentum reactions wheels so
that actually expeditions can safely deal with those significant
mascon issues.
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Somehow that NASA/Apollo guano moon of ours has avoided the solar and
cosmic gaultlet of micro debris and of whatever's DNA nasty about the
sorts of radiation that our Van Allen belts otherwise collect.
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Therefore, the science of "photogrammetric rectification" that's 100%
founded upon the regular laws of physics and being easily 100%
replicated as hard-science is simply adding insult to injury.
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Obviously, these NASA/Apollo folks are still into pretending they
don't know the difference between a xenon lamp spectrum illuminated
terrain and upon well known items like our flag, and that of what the
actual raw solar spectrum represents. However, the unfiltered Kodak
eye does, as do many others, as I certainly appreciate the difference.
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Silly me, I'd though those missions arrived shortly after sunrise.
Therefore, why are these shadows getting so short?
http://moonpans.com/posters/A15Poster.jpg
Why is one item offering a medium length shadow and the other item
nearly without an extended shadow?
http://moonpans.com/prints/23a17sep.htm
http://moonpans.com/prints/23a17tracy.htm
Here's a couple as having items depicted as well past quarter moon-day
(perhaps 96 hours past sunrise), and of that guano like terrain of
such a near white-out zone on that guano and Portland cement dusted
moon.
http://moonpans.com/prints/23A16Lem.htm
http://moonpans.com/prints/23_a15sta10.htm
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Here's an underexposed crescent Earth that simply doesn't look right.
What moon daytime would you say this represents?
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a14/20149603.jpg
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Here's where there's more than a half an illuminated Earth at their
disposal, thus unavoidably prior to lunar sunrise.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/as17-134-20384.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/as17-134-20387-cropped.jpg
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Wouldn't you like other folks to see a few of those better raw
photographic examples?
At least the stuff obtained from orbit looks somewhat believable.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/
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BTW; here's another of their pesky oops blue-screen frames:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?73
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-73-10182
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A couple more of those mid-flim of those pesky blue-screens to share
and share alike:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?72
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What the freaking sam hell are these depicting? (could this represent
a weird little crescent of Earth?)
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-66-9329
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-66-9331
<
Here's a good sunrise illuminated shot, but since the camera was
directed a good 75+ degrees turned away from the sun, what's that
other pesky item in the sky?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-66-9302
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I haven't bothered to use the official NASA/Apollo archives because,
we all know that you pro-NASA/Apollo folks have the fullest and by far
the quickest of access to such, just as you also have always had full
access to that supercomputer and of it's fully interactive 3D
renderings of a solar system simular at any given time or place, such
as having been observed from any location that includes those actual
Apollo landing sites, along with every star and planet correctly
situated and rendered exactly as though it would have appeared to the
human eye, as well as to that unfiltered Kodak eye which sees into
certain spectrums as more sensitive than the human eye and even rather
nicely into a portion of the UV-a spectrum.
<
How may of those technically "impossible" photographs does it take in
order to prove that we'd been snookered by those having "the right
stuff"?
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JUST ONE PHOTOGRAPH?
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM?
<
How much of Kodak's photon and film physics is not going to fly if
it's suggesting something different than what the NASA/Apollo Koran
has to say?
<
How much hard-science and of what's replicated about "photogrammetric
rectification" are these folks going to continually exclude/reject
upon?
-
Brad Guth
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> Thanks, Brad, for having the courage of your convictions.
> Ed Conrad
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Brad Guth - 25 Jul 2006 21:16 GMT
From: Amanda Angelika
:That being the case I would agree it is somewhat surprising that
Venus
:doesn't appear in any of NASA's Moon landing pictures, Venus is
incredibly
:bright. In fact I live in a city so stars are rare, but the planet
Venus
:shines through no problem and if you can photograph it on a Mickey
Mouse
:Cellphone camera you can certainly photograph it on a Hasselblad using
Kodak
:Echtachrome. :)
>From space or obviously from upon that physically dark moon is where
many things should have recorded as though much brighter yet, and
that's especially by way of their unfiltered Kodak eye, whereas Venus
in relationship to Earth or especially that of our moon becomes even
brighter yet, by as much as having been recorded as though half again
brighter upon that sensitive Kodak film, which by their method of
having been optically unfiltered records a bit more than the human eye
can see.
Of course, Venus has nearly 2650 w/m2 available to rather efficiently
reflect as capably as 0.75~0.8 albedo can muster. So, as to
unavoidably recording Venus, I'd have to totally agree, especially
after having deep scanned that film should PhotoShop yet another F/stop
worth of extra DR on behalf of pulling in a few stars.
Unfortunately, double and even triple standards are of what makes their
mainstream status quo tick. Whereas the likes of "Herb Schaltegger",
"Pat Flannery", "James A. Temple", "OM" and "Art Deco" are what
seriously sucks and blows about this Usenet of infomercial-science from
Hell. It seems these folks have never actually independently
contributed anything that hasn't been scripted, much less of having
individually accomplished anything the least bit constructive on behalf
of anyone else, other than their having indirectly or unintentionally
proved time and again that honest folks like myself have been more than
sufficiently right.
Their so called policy of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary
proof" doesn't even apply to anything that's NASA, much less of their
Apollo fiasco. It seems that such pro-NASA and pro mainstream status
quo folks can't even use their very own certified science if it's
somehow intended as any blow against their NASA/Apollo koran.
Sorry that I can't manage to sufficiently LeapFrog or even SpongeBob
this information down to each of their warm and fuzzy cesspool levels,
which systematically rejects and/or banishes upon any possible forms of
other intelligent life (must be a Mormon, Catholic and Jewish thing),
especially as having been existing/coexisting on Venus, any more than
for having giving it my best shot at sharing the truth and nothing but
the truth about those hocus-pocus NASA/Apollo missions in order to foil
each of their less than certified LeapFrog/SpongeBob approved bigotry
and buttology mindsets, to the point of disclosing their being such a
disinformation collective of the worse possible brown nosed minions and
collaborating agents that'll continually suck and blow until each and
every one of them NASA/Apollo cows come home.
Oddly, that well past sunrise photo opportunity from their A-17
mission, and of that Kodak moment that has their standard xenon lamp
spectrum illuminated astronaut and flag along with a perfectly good
look-see at a fuller than half illuminated Earth means absolutely
nothing if you're as dumbfounded as they'd like you to be (I'm not even
all that certain as to how that sun as being at roughly 45 degrees
according to that "20387-cropped.jpg" view of Earth even got into that
visor), at least no more so than I can manage to understand each of
those other Kodak moments as having been obtained from the moon, as
having depicted that mere silver of an illuminated cerscent Earth.
Should we consider that we had accomplished a few other secret Apollo
missions, that we were obviously never informed of?
If I'd known that such ordinary laws of physics and of orbital
mechanics worked so entirely different while being situated upon the
moon, as such I wouldn't have bothered with having contributed dozens
of other factors that simply didn't look right, or otherwise didn't
compute or even sci-fi contemplate worth sh.t. As it stands, in order
to believe all that's NASA/Apollo, it's more than suggesting as though
the science of "photogrammetric rectification" is entirely bogus to
boot.
What's your all-knowing best answers, as to their having photographed a
greater than half illuminated Earth along with their highly reflective
portion of that passive moon as having been fully illuminated well past
sunrise, and otherwise that of having recorded such an unusually slim
crescent of Earth as photographed from the moon?
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/as17-134-20384.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/as17-134-20387-cropped.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a14/20149603.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-66-9329
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-66-9331
What's your all-knowing expertise or best SWAG of an answer as to each
of these pesky "blue-screen" frames?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?73
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS14-73-10182
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?72
Once again, it's time to save thy remorseless butt by way of telling
the rest of us village idiots; WHERE's VENUS ? or WHY IS VENUS IN
STEALTH MODE ?
As stipulated before; On at least three Apollo missions of A-11, A-14,
A-16, and especially since you've all had access to the very best
supercomputer and of the fully interactive 3D solar system simulator
that'll fully render a very photographically realistic (AKA true to
life) representation of nearly all there is to see, as viewed from
anywhere at any date and time: Where's Venus, as having been
unavoidably viewed from the moon?
While you're at it, utilizing that absolutely nifty supercomputer of
ours, and of using that fully interactive 3D capable rendering software
of what that absolutely nifty solar system simulator of ours can
accommodate; where's the likes of the super-bright and otherwise
extreemly bluish/violet Sirius star system throughout each and every
one of those APOLLO and of so many other robotic missions that came
before and especially of those after having at least an extra 4 db or
16 fold better worth of dynamic range to offer (these days a few of the
16 db worthy of 65,535:1 DR capable CCDs are available, as having been
in orbit and otherwise 100+% bought and paid for by public dollars, as
well as via tax-avoidance dollars (thereby same as public dollars)?
If to be walking essentially moonsuit naked upon that physically nasty
and of those unavoidably sooty dark composite of minerals and otherwise
complex meteorite rich and somewhat salty moon of ours (representing
our best available solar/cosmic morgue that has to include loads of
dead spores), besides that environment being an extremely electrostatic
form of dusty as all get out (I'm thinking tens of meters in fluffy
depth none the less), I'd aso want you folks to think as though our
moon as a solid form of a Van Allen belt, and thereby rather TBI/lethal
dosage nasty, as in GSO environment times ten = 2e4 Sv/year while
having been shielded by 5/16" worth of 5086 aluminum (~2 g/cm2). Gee
whiz, folks, it seems that's only worth 228 rads/hr, whereas on a truly
bad solar day you can go along with that dosage being another ten fold
worse off, and if it's a rare but totally passive solar day there's no
chance in hell of that daytime surface environment offering less than
23 rads/hr and perhaps at best we're talking 2.3 rads/hr by way of the
gamma and unavoidable secondary/recoil in hard-X-rays of the local
terrain of what's cosmic and otherwise of the nighttime/earthshine
environment while shielded by that same 2 g/cm2.
Try to remember, while standing on the moon, you're unavoidably
surrounded by at least 3.14e6 m2 of whatever the nasty terrain of
what's offering all that gamma and hard-X-ray moon environment has to
offer. Hope your DNA is sufficiently rad-hard.
Either way, I'm thinking that you'd best have that personal cash of
banked bone marrow standing by, and perhaps a few of those vital spare
body parts just in case things get a little nastier than you'd planned
on. I would also advise that you learn braille and get yourself a good
dog, especially since you could soon enough become blind from having
spent a few hours walking essentially naked about that gamma and
unavoidably hard-X-ray moon that's also getting double IR roasted and
just so happens to also have it's fair share of those 30+ km/s of
physical space debris arrivals to contend with. Other than that, our
moon isn't all that testy.
-
Brad Guth