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Medical Forum / General / General / June 2006For Montygram: All Kooks can be Classified!
Having analyzed the diet of Montygram http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_thread/thread/b45ab837c4 25f90b/?hl=en# I was able to officially classify Montygram as a Flatulence Kook. :) And, I was also able today to update my published original research on the Kooks who inhabit smn. :) http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html "# Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans, legumes or pulses. Bacteria in the intestines feeds upon a sugar, called raffinose, found in beans causing gas. These people wrongly calm that beans cause digestion problems because of this gas. In reality, any plant based diet will create flatulence since not everything is completely digested. People who suffer from excess flatulence might also be suffering from excess bacteria and a lack of the proper flora in their intestines. Furthermore, legumes are known as the fourth food group in the healthy Cretan Mediterranean Diet." This was the first update to my behavioral research on Kooks in smn since 2002. I owe it all to Monty, and a bunch of smn Kooks who unwittingly enabled me to nail Monty. :) Furthermore, from analyzing Monty's diet it is also very obvious to me that he is suffering from a form of IBS caused by an excess growth of bacterial in the small intestine. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=33365 http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/ibs-art06.asp Of course, anybody who has been keeping up with the published literature would already know this. You Flatulence Kooks will receive my bill in the morning. -- Doc John In reality, any > plant based diet will create flatulence since not everything is > completely digested. People who suffer from excess flatulence might > also be suffering from excess bacteria and a lack of the proper flora > in their intestines. Bullshit. Plant foods consist of 30-40% of my diet and I don't get gas. Enter beans, grains, and starches and the gas commences. It has nothing to do with "excess" bacteria at all. The bacteria in the gut (primarily colon, as the small intestine doesn't have much bacteria) simply have a field day on the offending foods, which probably isn't the healthiest and safest thing. Beans are a relatively recent food in the human diet. Most people cannot tolerate them just like grains. THAT'S why people fart up a storm eating them! :: In reality, any :: plant based diet will create flatulence since not everything is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : cannot tolerate them just like grains. THAT'S why people fart up a : storm eating them! It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed to a plant based diet. Regular meat eaters have more unhealthy bacteroids in their colons while people with mostly plant based diets develope a colon bacteria that has more beneficial bifidus bacteria. When the colon bacteria has accustomed to the change of diet there will be very little or no gas problems after eating beans or other plant foods.  SignatureJuhana > :: In reality, any > :: plant based diet will create flatulence since not everything is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > to the change of diet there will be very little or no gas problems after > eating beans or other plant foods. Ditto! Montygram has been eating his horrible diet, all because this jerk has not had his IBS properly treated the way mother nature intended it. Ah! Another victim of conventional medicine? As I my previous references clearly documented, Monty needs a shot of antibiotics. Followed by a healthy diet and good probiotics. http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/pro_0034.shtml The antibiotics will kill off his excess bacterial in his small intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will re-establish the proper flora balance in his intestines. Monty 'the Flatulence Kook' has my condolences. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html -- Doc John > intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will re-establish the proper > flora balance in his intestines. Wait a sec, isn't there virtually no bacteria in the small intestine? http://www.biblelife.org/bowel.htm for IBS :: intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will re-establish the :: proper flora balance in his intestines. : : Wait a sec, isn't there virtually no bacteria in the small intestine? AFAIK, lactobacillus acidophilus is the beneficial bacteria that thrives in the small intestine. That can be enhanced by live yogurt and probiotics containing lactobacillus acidophilus. SignatureJuhana > :: intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will re-establish the > :: proper flora balance in his intestines. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Juhana You may be right, but AFAIK both the stomach and small intestine lack significant amount of bacteria due to gastric acids....the colon OTOH is a different story. :::: intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will re-establish the :::: proper flora balance in his intestines. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : You may be right, but AFAIK both the stomach and small intestine lack : significant amount of bacteria due to gastric acids You may look at this Mayo Clinic information. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactobacillus/NS_patient-acidophilus SignatureJuhana > It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed to a plant based > diet. Regular meat eaters have more unhealthy bacteroids in their colons > while people with mostly plant based diets develope a colon bacteria that > has more beneficial bifidus bacteria. When the colon bacteria has accustomed > to the change of diet there will be very little or no gas problems after > eating beans or other plant foods. I am a regular meat eater. Animal foods comprise about 60-70% of my diet and plant foods 30-40%. I never have flatuence problems. Are you saying because I eat meat regularily that I have unhealthy bacteroids? I do eat alot of produce and don't get gas unless I eat beans and grains, starches, etc. I think the bottom line is that the colon bacteria have a field day on starches. Beans or grains. Most of this sh.t goes heavily undigested and therefore equals big logs of sh.t. :: It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed to a :: plant based diet. Regular meat eaters have more unhealthy bacteroids [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : starches. Beans or grains. Most of this sh.t goes heavily undigested : and therefore equals big logs of sh.t. The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much animal foods. But it is your life and your choice. SignatureJuhana > The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much animal foods. But > it is your life and your choice. Bullshit. It's what humans have been eating for millions of years and what we are designed to eat. :: The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much animal :: foods. But it is your life and your choice. : : Bullshit. It's what humans have been eating for millions of years and : what we are designed to eat. You eat bullshit? SignatureJuhana I will leave all those who actually read this "troll's" remarks to contemplate his flatulent musings. I, on the other hand, am interested in a diet based upon the biochemical/molecular-level evidence. If anyone wants to cite a study and make a suggestion based upon it, you can go to my web site and leave a message there: http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/ Otherwise, it's a waste of my time to deal with the shills and the people who enjoy acting as if they are 8 years old here. The only "silver lining" is that, unlike politics, those who make the wrong decisions with respect to diet will suffer the consequences themselves, in as personal a way possible. > I will leave all those who actually read this "troll's" remarks to > contemplate his flatulent musings. I, on the other hand, am interested > in a diet based upon the biochemical/molecular-level evidence. If > anyone wants to cite a study and make a suggestion based upon it, you > can go to my web site and leave a message there: You suffer from fatulence. You have said so time and time again. And, your kooky diet is obviously eaten in a pathetic attempt to prevent gas. You have stated for the record that beans are hard to digest. But, I on the other hand, will now eat a can of baked beans. Who is the 8 year old now? Look mom, no gas!!! Furthermore, from analyzing Monty's diet it is also very obvious to me that he is suffering from a form of IBS caused by an excess growth of bacterial in the small intestine. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=33365 http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/ibs-art06.asp > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/ The best thing about your group, is that all the fatulence kooks will be isolated from the smn kooks. Less chance of your disease, uh ... mental pollution, from spreading to the masses. Don't worry, if anybody inquires about the Kook 'known as Montgram', I will be sure to point them to your anti-gas diet. Also, this place is starting to smell better already. Don't go away Mad, Monty, just go away. :) "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part: >:: The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much animal >:: foods. But it is your life and your choice. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You eat bullshit? Isn't it obvious? A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors ate filet mignon marbled with fats produced by sedentary animals eating corn and washed it down with milk from dairy cows who never see the sun and eat the most abnormal diets imaginable. But then, the animals have been bred over centuries to be different from the ones we evolved eating, so who knows? ;-) -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu > A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors ate filet mignon > marbled with fats produced by sedentary animals eating corn and washed it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu Actually, milk has been a recent introduction to the diet with agriculture so I don't know if people think that pre-agriculture ancestors ate dairy. Prehistoric man actually preferred the fatty mats and fat over lean. Pemmican is also about 70-80% fat and the rest lean. I find it hard to believe that they would go for all the leanest meat instead of the fatty succulent cuts around the ribs, etc. "msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote in part: >> A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors ate filet mignon >> marbled with fats produced by sedentary animals eating corn and washed it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >believe that they would go for all the leanest meat instead of the >fatty succulent cuts around the ribs, etc. I'm sure they often ate the organs as well. But the animals were different and the animal diets were different and the fats in the meat were different from what we have today. And you didn't drive to the supermarket to buy a steak; you had to track down a wild animal, kill it, skin it, etc. before you could eat. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu > I'm sure they often ate the organs as well. But the animals were different > and the animal diets were different and the fats in the meat were different [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu Ofcourse they ate the organs! Do you realize how much vitamin C a raw adrenal gland consists of? This is the first the the eskimos do after a kill is eat a slice of it. The liver is probably the most nutrient dense food on the planet. Sure i'm not disagreeing that the animals and composition were not different. But it didn't matter because they still preferred and ate alot of the fat. It is what gave them energy. Without carbs (during winter) they would have to primarily live off of fat with some protein. And I do also agree that there was alot of physical activity involved, but this is why we should be exercising hard as well. They would work hard, play hard, and rest hard. "msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote in part: >> I'm sure they often ate the organs as well. But the animals were different >> and the animal diets were different and the fats in the meat were different [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >but this is why we should be exercising hard as well. They would work >hard, play hard, and rest hard. ...and die young. The diseases and problems people now are trying to solve with nutrition never even entered into the equation. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu > ...and die young. What's your point? And how do you know? What is known is that they had the health and stature of modern day olympic athletes. No heart disease, no cancer, no obesity, and no cavities. Maybe they actually died old but their bodies were in immaculate shape. Probably not though, and they died young because of infectious diseases and trauma. It was a tough life. > The diseases and problems people now are trying to solve with nutrition > never even entered into the equation. Ofcourse they didn't. What do you expect when they didn't live off of polyunsaturated fats and refined grains. IOW, they didn't eat garbage for food. They ate nutritionally dense foods which is exactly what I base my own diet on since it is the way we were designed to eat. If more people ate a traditional diet and treated their bodies (and lives) a little better then we wouldn't even have a fraction of the "diseases and problems" people are now trying to solve. "msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote in part: >> ...and die young. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >a little better then we wouldn't even have a fraction of the "diseases >and problems" people are now trying to solve. Let me be clearer: The fact that a high meat or whatever diet enabled our evolutionary forbears to reproduce and die healthy did nothing to build a genetic foundation for us to be healthy in our old age. In order to escape some nasty effects of our genetic makeup that Mother Nature doesn't give a #### about and that show up in late middle age or so for the most part, we may have to live in ways never used by our distant ancestors. The only way to find out is with research, not slavish adherence to a belief system centered on what we think worked during past eras. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Let me be clearer: The fact that a high meat or whatever diet enabled our > evolutionary forbears to reproduce and die healthy did nothing to build a > genetic foundation for us to be healthy in our old age. In order to escape > some nasty effects of our genetic makeup that Mother Nature doesn't give a > #### about and that show up in late middle age or so for the most part, we > may have to live in ways never used by our distant ancestors. What in the world are you blabbering about? Our genetic makeup is fine -- our diets are NOT. Fix the source of the problem (diet) and you have a solution. Ofcourse there are other problems of present day, but once again, you have to clean up the source. It's really not that complicated. Stick to a traditional diet instead on an artificial one. Get exercise and sun instead of living like a hermit. > The only way to find out is with research, not slavish adherence to a belief > system centered on what we think worked during past eras. > -- Research? Right, like all the research that's been done to present day which has completely devestated the health of the western world? > What in the world are you blabbering about? Our genetic makeup is fine > -- our diets are NOT. Fix the source of the problem (diet) and you > have a solution. Ofcourse there are other problems of present day, but > once again, you have to clean up the source. It's really not that > complicated. Stick to a traditional diet instead on an artificial one. > Get exercise and sun instead of living like a hermit. Right! Everyone should eat plenty of beans and whole grains. And, your leader Monty is on the record for eating a lot of starchy potatoes. Would you like the link to his starch recommendation? > Right! Everyone should eat plenty of beans and whole grains. Dude, you just don't stop do ya!? :) > And, your leader Monty is on the record for eating a lot of starchy > potatoes. Would you like the link to his starch recommendation? He's not my leader. That privelege belongs to Mr. Anthony Colpo, TheOmnivore. I don't agree with Monty's diet much, but I will give him some respect for his points on polyunsaturated fats. He does make some valid points. > I don't agree with Monty's diet much, but I will give him > some respect for his points on polyunsaturated fats. He does make some > valid points. His points on polyunsaturated fats are totally ludicrous beyond belief. Criticisms of his viewpoints on polyunsaturated fats on smn are over the place. Yet, Kooks like you just love to gravitate towards his kooky ideas. The more kookier they are the better. You have my condolences, Kook. > > I don't agree with Monty's diet much, but I will give him > > some respect for his points on polyunsaturated fats. He does make some [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You have my condolences, Kook. Thanks for the heads up...i'll do some more homework on smn. I just like to keep an open mind as typically what is thought of as the "truth" is more often than not the complete opposite. Furthermore I have read other information that agrees with his statements. Don't be so quick to dismiss. If his ideas were so ludicrous than why does he stand so hard behind them? If you provide counter evidence, wouldn't that make him swallow his own words? I do recall him stating that he is waiting for evidence and is offering a monetary reward or something along those lines. Food Faddism is my behavioral research on the Kooks that Inhabit SMN. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html It has been updated to recognize the fact that the original published research on this topic was both anal and anti-natural health. > Food Faddism is my behavioral research on the Kooks that Inhabit SMN. > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html > > It has been updated to recognize the fact that the original published > research on this topic was both anal and anti-natural health. Link doesn't work. > > Food Faddism is my behavioral research on the Kooks that Inhabit SMN. > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Link doesn't work. Yes, it does. :) But, you might have better results with this link. http://naturalhealthperspective.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/food/faddism.html Your ISP may be having temporary or permanent problems with my server. Sometimes, a particular ISP may refuse to connect to a particular web site for several weeks. Or, it might be due to the fact that either your web browser and/or ISP has problems with redirection and/or frames. I will be moving my site, in a couple of months, to a new server that does NOT use redirection. > I will be moving my site, in a couple of months, to a new server that > does NOT use redirection. That link worked. And it didn't take me very long to realize that YOU are infact, the KOOK. > His points on polyunsaturated fats are totally ludicrous beyond belief. > Criticisms of his viewpoints on polyunsaturated fats on smn are all over > the place. Yet, Kooks like you just love to gravitate towards his > kooky ideas. The more kookier they are, the better the kooks like them. : "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part: ::: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : have been bred over centuries to be different from the ones we : evolved eating, so who knows? ;-) Right. Also I am not so sure that our pre-agricultural ancestors were mostly meat eaters. Based on what I have read I think that they were more gatherer-hunters than hunter-gatherers. Today people have evolved to shopper-gatherers. No wonder people get fat. SignatureJuhana > Right. Also I am not so sure that our pre-agricultural ancestors were mostly > meat eaters. Based on what I have read I think that they were more > gatherer-hunters than hunter-gatherers. Today people have evolved to > shopper-gatherers. No wonder people get fat. Wrong. They heavily hunted and subsisted on animals as the plenty of bones, tools, weapons, etc. in the caves can attest to. In fact, they apparently hunted many animals to extinction. How would they have gathered in the winter months? I mean, for those not fortunate enough to hang around the tropics. Humans are primarily carnivores with the ability to digest starches. The eskimos are proof of this. > It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed to a plant based > diet. Regular meat eaters have more unhealthy bacteroids in their colons > while people with mostly plant based diets develope a colon bacteria that > has more beneficial bifidus bacteria. When the colon bacteria has accustomed > to the change of diet there will be very little or no gas problems after > eating beans or other plant foods. Absolutely true. I ate a typical carnivore diet and went one weekend, many years ago, to a weekend retreat where vegetarian only was served. I suffered from cramps day and night. I now eat a very vegie/bean diet and rarely a fart. > Absolutely true. I ate a typical carnivore diet and went one weekend, many > years ago, to a weekend retreat where vegetarian only was served. I > suffered from cramps day and night. I now eat a very vegie/bean diet and > rarely a fart. Probably because your body is so malnurished that is doesn't even have the energy to fart. http://www.beyondveg.com/ > > Absolutely true. I ate a typical carnivore diet and went one weekend, many > > years ago, to a weekend retreat where vegetarian only was served. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.beyondveg.com/ Well maybe reading these sites (particularily the first 3) combined with common sense will be more convincing. I know, old myths are hard to shatter. Do yourself a favour and at least entertain the thought of a traditional diet. It may change your life...it sure did change mine. Cheers. http://www.theomnivore.com/home.html http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/index.html http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/ http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm http://www.beyondveg.com/ http://www.thincs.org/ > In reality, any > > plant based diet will create flatulence since not everything is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > simply have a field day on the offending foods, which probably isn't > the healthiest and safest thing. Ooooh, really? These bacterial don't eat vegetables then? They must be Breatherians, since they can live on air until you consume beans, grains, or starches? -- Doc John > Ooooh, really? These bacterial don't eat vegetables then? They must > be Breatherians, since they can live on air until you consume beans, > grains, or starches? > -- > Doc John I didn't say they don't eat veggies. They obviously thrive on starches. I don't get gas when I eat fruit or veggies. > Having analyzed the diet of Montygram > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_thread/thread/b45ab837c4 25f90b/?hl=en# [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > -- > Doc John I, myself, invented the term 'Food Faddism.' Interestingly enough, I originally had no intentions of doing so. Nevertheless I have been more successful with 'Food Faddism' than with 'Medical Scientism' in changing American culture. And, the reason is clear. Science Geeks agree with Food Faddism, but they do not like the term 'Medical Scientism.' I wonder why? I, myself, evented the term 'Food Faddism.' This fact can be verified at: http://www.onelook.com/?w=food+faddism&ls=a Until my sweet web page on original behavioral research the term did not exist. :) My web page ranks # 3 on 'food faddism' in the Google Search engine. #1 is a clone of Wikipedia. http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/login/ #2 is Wikipedia, itself. Guess who's web page is cited in these articles? Interestly enough, I never wrote or edited that web page in Wikipedia. -- Doc John > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html > > "# Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans, legumes or [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Until my sweet web page on original behavioral research the term did > not exist. :) Still do not believe Doc John? See this piece of published research from Japan. www.ffcr.or.jp/.../7bd44c20b0dc562649256502001b65e9/e7548536780bf07e49256d910008 e807/$FILE/208(8)-1.pdf "Summary Food faddism is as an exaggerated belief in the impact of food and nutrition on health and disease. Food faddists insist that food and nutrition are more significant than science has established. Such thinking frequently leads people to overestimate the beneficial effects of some foods (e.g., whole grains such as unpolished rice) and condemn others (e.g., refined sugars, flour and grains such as polished rice). " Which is ALMOST an obvious direct quote of my web page. Although a few words have been changed changed around.. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html Thank goodness for the Web Archives run by Alexa which documents that my web page was published long before 2003. :) Should I sue for copyright infringement or just grin and bear it? I think that I will take a closer look at this paper from Foods Food Ingredients J. Jpn., Vol. 208, No.8, 2003. One way or another this citation of my web page will be noted on my site. :) -- Doc John, striving to change both the American and Japanese culture. CORRECTION of the pdf hyperlink which is not exactly working correctly. > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html > > "# Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans, legumes or [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Until my sweet web page on original behavioral research the term did > not exist. :) Still do not believe Doc John? See this piece of published research from Japan. www.ffcr.or.jp/.../7bd44c20b0dc562649256502001b65e9/e7548536780bf07e49256d910008 e807/$FILE/208(8)-1.pdf or see the HTML translation at: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:mP3YgrF71SkJ:www.ffcr.or.jp/zaidan/FFCRHOME .nsf/7bd44c20b0dc562649256502001b65e9/e7548536780bf07e49256d910008e807/%24FILE/2 08(8)-1.pdf+food+faddism&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&lr=lang_en|lang_fr|lang_de "Summary Food faddism is as an exaggerated belief in the impact of food and nutrition on health and disease. Food faddists insist that food and nutrition are more significant than science has established. Such thinking frequently leads people to overestimate the beneficial effects of some foods (e.g., whole grains such as unpolished rice) and condemn others (e.g., refined sugars, flour and grains such as polished rice). " Which is ALMOST an obvious direct quote of my web page. Although a few words have been changed changed around.. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html Thank goodness for the Web Archives run by Alexa which documents that my web page was published long before 2003. :) Should I sue for copyright infringement or just grin and bear it? I think that I will take a closer look at this paper from Foods Food Ingredients J. Jpn., Vol. 208, No.8, 2003. One way or another this citation of my web page will be noted on my site. :) -- Doc John, striving to change both the American and Japanese culture. |
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