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Double-A - 11 Jun 2006 23:52 GMT
Friends of Twittering,

As many of you know, our Twittering One has become a homeless person on
the streets of New York.  I have heard some of you express a desire to
give her some financial help if only you had a way, and Western Union
has been suggested by several people as a quick way to transfer money.

So here is a way you can help if you wish to send Twittering money via
Western Union.  I have checked with her, and she would be able to
receive money at the following Western Union agent, if you would be so
kind:

FOOD EMPORIUM #767
200 EAST 32ND ST
NEW YORK, NY 10016
Tel: (212) 686-0260

You don't actually have to go to a Western Union office, but can use a
credit or debit card by phoning 1-800-CALL-CASH, or by going to their
website at

http://www.westernunion.com/

If you send money, please specify Virginia Hooper as the recipient and
also send her an email at virginiaz@aol.com letting her know the money
is there, and please include the Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN)
that you get on your receipt in your email to her, as that will help
her identify herself as the rightful recipient at the Western Union
office.

I hope that many of you will find it in your hearts to want to help her
through this time of need.

Thanks.

Double-A
Raving Loonie - 12 Jun 2006 00:04 GMT
> Friends of Twittering,

> FOOD EMPORIUM #767
> 200 EAST 32ND ST
> NEW YORK, NY 10016
> Tel: (212) 686-0260
Finally, ....

 At least this.

.... Just the beginning of the road.
Warhol - 12 Jun 2006 00:51 GMT
This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western
union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ...  Remenber
that we all must help our fallen Brothers and Sisters... A Command from
God Himself... Once you have read this... there No Escape anymore than
helping Twitty and Steve... Otherwise a Warholian Curse may befall
you...

Freewill and pre-determination are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Consider that you may be faced with a cusp, or fork in the path you
face. One fork leads one way, one leads the other. Each road may have a
predetermined outcome, but the choice of roads is yours.

Human beings were never created as robots. We were created as capable
of showing true love, which mandates that we have free will. "You are
reading more into it than is needed."

God created us to be companions, not servants. The universe can be a
lonley place, even if you are God...maybe especially, since the
loneliness would be perfect loneliness.

If you are think about a propheseyed outcome, that is something else
entirely, and requires a different view of time itself. Not even God
could tell you what has not happened, so therefore for the prophesies
to be correct, the outcome has already happened, we just have not
reached that point where we are aware of it.

Remember helping your brother or sister is as helping yourself thrue
the eye of the needle... And NOW all of you PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE
POCKETS... and HELP.

> Friends of Twittering,
>
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>
> Double-A
Double-A - 13 Jun 2006 22:30 GMT
> This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western
> union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ...  Remenber
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> the eye of the needle... And NOW all of you PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE
> POCKETS... and HELP.

Sir Warhol,

I want to thank you for your most generous personal contribution to
help Twitty, and for your help in getting the drive underway.  You are
truly a man of your word and a credit to your faith.

With many thanks,

Double-A
Warhol - 14 Jun 2006 01:30 GMT
Double-A schreef:

> > This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western
> > union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ...  Remenber
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Double-A

Thanks 2*A, for this nice words, I can accept that, but lets not forget
your contribution .... I realy hope that more people "Pick up their
cross and help Twitty 1"...  and not Twitty alone... there are many
poor souls around us, in all the city's, all over the world... were so
called normal people even dont look towards the weak anymore, Man and
woman and children who are seeking for help, bread, medi care etc...
and thats very bad, man is forgotten that one day may come he too shall
fall. Why Humanity should declare war against exclusion of the weakest
amomgst.. lets remember jesus said "There is always hope, O thou for
whom Heaven and Earth were created." Man must learn to stand up fight
for his brothers right and see the important things around us, as love,
and happyness in OUR WORLD.. I Feel Happy when I can help somewere and
so should all humans beens do... Dont eat alone share with your
brothers and sisters, dont close the door for people who ask help
help... one day may come that they will open their harts for you and
help on their turn... and the most important thing is by doing a good
action we are creating a longstanding Harmony.

Paul speaks of this in I Corinthians Chapter 13 - We gain & we are
nothing without love.,, We are ALL created by God - None above and none
below another. God loves us all... so we must love each other with a
Helping hand ...  with building a better world for us all... a world
with no fear for tomorrow. Revelation 21:4, referring to the sick and
the suffering, says, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There
will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order
of things has passed away." Herein lies our call to know, love, and
serve God in this life so that we will be with him in the life to come.
We are called to be part of the Body of Christ, or in other words,
human hands and feet for God to use to wipe away tears, heal spiritual
distress, and offer comfort for mourning, crying, and pain...

The little Moorish Prince, Warhol Von Saali... Teach Inn's live from
Bru'Seli Bridge...
Twittering One - 14 Jun 2006 15:01 GMT
Sir Warhol saved my day ~ !
Many thanks again to him.

> > This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western
> > union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ...  Remenber
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>
> Double-A
Warhol - 14 Jun 2006 19:36 GMT
Never mind that large ball of plasma in the sky ... a Helping Hand to a
Brother or Sister is more important... NOW WE STILL NEED the stupied
drugs, that makes you so sick... I realy hope that there will some
other God fearing Human been(S), who can help you with a real HOME,
Computer and a connection so that our next MISSION against injustice
can start... BUT FIRST OF ALL, HELP TWITTY NOW,,, Tomorrow it will be
to late... Let us become one Family, and than we can take care for each
other... and chase Lions, Wolfs, Vipers, Vermin like rats, frogs,
locust, so they stay away of the community's...  I will dress as a lion
to scare them away from the Jungle...

Finally ... Politicians are spending $9 billion per month to make Iraq
insecure because they believed Chalabi's drunken nephew's ZOG stories
about WMD.

The Word can save... if there are listeners... OPEN YOUR EARS...

The UN has it all figured out

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=10366103

The most potent threats to life on Earth - global warming, health
pandemics, mass poverty and armed conflict - could be ended by moves to
unlock US$7.24 trillion ($10.6 trillion) of previously untapped wealth,
the United Nations claims.

Twittering One schreef:

> Sir Warhol saved my day ~ !
> Many thanks again to him.
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> >
> > Double-A
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 16:02 GMT
> Friends of Twittering,
>
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>
> Double-A

Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
any contact with the hospital social worker pre-release?

There are options available to her that could make her life much
easier, that she doesn't appear to be exploiting at this point. If you
really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those
further.
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 18:12 GMT
> > Friends of Twittering,
> >
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> really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those
> further.

You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not
having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by
being forced to take drugs that seem to make her worse.

Social workers have, I've been told, tried to help her, but they have a
busy schedule and don't have enough time for a difficult patient.  Is
not the fact that she is negative and difficult merely a reflection of
her mental morbidity, and not a flaw that we should be blaming her for?
I really wish there could be someone there on site with the patience
to work with her and help her exercise her rights and get the benefits
for which she is eligible.

Does anyone know a Mother Teresa type in New York City?

Double-A
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 18:50 GMT
> > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
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>
> Double-A

Who is blaming her? I also have bipolar disorder (which I understand is
her current diagnosis), and well understand the difficulty of thinking
clearly and exercising good judgment off meds.

I agree, she needs an advocate. If you're in the city, you might try
contacting NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) to see what
local resources are available for this.

Meds, a secure place to live, three meals a day, regular medical and
dental care, a little money in her pocket... that's what she stands to
gain by working with social workers. It's my understanding that some of
the group homes are very good; the staff is non-intrusive, and no one
is forced to take meds (although it is encouraged, of course). She may
have her own room, or at most one roommate, which would afford her more
privacy than she gets in a shelter. She would still have the freedom to
come and go as she pleases, and to engage in whatever activities she
enjoys and is capable of.

Of course, entering a group home can be anxiety-provoking. You don't
know anyone at first, and don't know what to expect, but most people
settle in quickly.

Social workers and case workers at her local mental health facility
(for whatever catchment area she would be assigned) are trained to work
with the mentally ill, and are not put off by "difficult" behavior.

Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're
reading this thread. :)
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 20:34 GMT
> I agree, she needs an advocate. If you're in the city, you might try
> contacting NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) to see what
> local resources are available for this.

There are four NAMI offices in the New York City area: The last listing
is for the Metro area.

Affiliates in New York County - 4 records found

NAMI Bronx Families & Advocates
1500 Waters Pl., Room 228
Bronx , NY 10461

Primary Contact: Paulina Magnetti
Alternate Contact: June Rodriques (718) 282-2237

Area(s) Served: Bronx

NAMI Friends of the NYS Psychiatric Institute

Primary Contact: Betts Custer (914) 967-3589

Area(s) Served: New York City and New York State

NAMI Harlem
P.O. Box 102
New York , NY 10037

Primary Contact: Ruth Levell (212) 865-2770

Area(s) Served: Harlem

NAMI NYC Metro
505 8th Ave, Suite 1103
New York , NY 10018

Primary Contact: ----- Helpline: (212) 684-3264

Area(s) Served: New York City
Raving Loonie - 12 Jun 2006 23:10 GMT
> > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
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> her current diagnosis), and well understand the difficulty of thinking
> clearly and exercising good judgment off meds.
Although, my opinion is not the popular one, I'll state it, FWIW.

1) In the main, a person has a single dysfuctional condition. ... Being
any one of { BP, ADD, A/S, Schitzophrenia, OCD, ...  } excludes the
likelihood of being another.

I view these conditions as a temprement of "thinking.style"  and not as
a disease model.

>From the perspective of a "Disease model", there is no problem with the
concept of co-morbidity. ...

>From the perspective of "Thinking style";  doing it "one way" carries
with it, the implicit assumption that it is not being done "another
way".  ... How and where one draws the boundary between different ways
is another issue.  It is unlikely that "Thinking style" changes over a
life time.  It is too central and essential to the cognitive process.
Changing the main way of doing things; midstream; would wreak havoc
with those memories and experiences already laid down. ... The geometry
of the underlying fabric which connects thoughts and experiences would
change; if one where to "jump switch" thinking styles.

2) Of course,Twittering One *might* be BP and ADD .. or even just BP
...

Yet, in my inexpert opinion, a description of ADD seems fine. ...

And there is a lot of motivation because of the frustrating, writhing
and squirming awkwardness of the situation to try an 'alternate
diagnosis' to see if it produces a better "fit".

When the whole process is driven by logistical, managerial, and
implimentational factors, as it really seems to be so ( "said" from my
uninformed and inexpert vantagepoint) in T1's case  ...

... changing the label and treatment in the expectation of a positive
prognosis is 'faint hope' at best, and wraught with *considerable* and
*likely* negative consequences.

It's an ugly situation which I don't like one little bit.

Frankly, it does not speak well for the current state and implication
of modern medical practice.  It's the sort of nonsense which ought to
have been recognized decades ago.

Shrugging one's shoulders and resigning one's self to the inevidibility
of "such" a reality is just plain stupid and negligent, IMO.   No
excuse.  Sorry.

> I agree, she needs an advocate. If you're in the city, you might try
> contacting NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) to see what
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're
> reading this thread. :)
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:35 GMT
Raving ...
Just so you know ~

I tried (under Court Order) the Bipolar meds.

They made me feel like sh.t!

I could not read a novel, nor did I want to do so.

I felt like a COTTON HEAD stupid idiot.

The added ANTIPSYCHOTCS made me muddled
And angry, with BODY STIFFNESS mimicing Parkinsons.

The ONLY time I've been MANIC was when I was withdrawing
from Depakote (the bipolar med they gave me).

I will willing take the following ~

AD[Hi!]H meds
Celexa
Wellbutrin

But I will NOT willingly take antipsychoitcs or bipolar meds.
I felt like a fuckig BRICK was sitting on head.

> > > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
[quoted text clipped - 97 lines]
> > Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're
> > reading this thread. :)
Sue me for posting facts - 14 Jun 2006 08:50 GMT
> I will willing take the following ~
>
> AD[Hi!]H meds
> Celexa
> Wellbutrin

In the meantime....consider taking SAM-E or St. John's Wort.

They both provide some relief---although,  SJW takes forever to kick
in.
Chris Malcolm - 15 Jun 2006 09:23 GMT
In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:

>> I will willing take the following ~
>>
>> AD[Hi!]H meds
>> Celexa
>> Wellbutrin

> In the meantime....consider taking SAM-E or St. John's Wort.

> They both provide some relief---although,  SJW takes forever to kick
> in.

SJW takes a few days to deliver its initial effect to me, which is
enough to be useful. It takes a few weeks to deliver the stronger
follow through effect. As with all psych drugs, YMMV.

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Indomitable2@netzero.com - 15 Jun 2006 21:58 GMT
> In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
>
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> enough to be useful. It takes a few weeks to deliver the stronger
> follow through effect. As with all psych drugs, YMMV.

Can you recommend a good brand?

OTC preparations are not regulated in US;therefore,  one must know
which brands of SJW are the real McCoy.
Chris Malcolm - 18 Jun 2006 12:27 GMT
In alt.support.attn-deficit Indomitable2@netzero.com wrote:

>> In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> enough to be useful. It takes a few weeks to deliver the stronger
>> follow through effect. As with all psych drugs, YMMV.

> Can you recommend a good brand?

> OTC preparations are not regulated in US;therefore,  one must know
> which brands of SJW are the real McCoy.

Sorry, all I can remember is that of the four different brands I've
tried, one appeared not to work, and that the ones usually carried by
my usual health food store do work. It would also not surprise me if
what worked depended on the individual, since there are widely varying
individual responses to all the prescription antidepressants.

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hoofprints - 21 Jun 2006 02:08 GMT
> > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
> >
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> OTC preparations are not regulated in US;therefore,  one must know
> which brands of SJW are the real McCoy.

Hi Linda,
My time in this NG is brief.  
May I make a suggestion that before you get on the SJW bandwagon that
you run a search on PubMed?
There is some information there based on studies of the herb that you
might find of interest including side effects and which western drugs
that SJW interacts with.
Always remember to self=medicate responsibly, please.

Bye for now,
Lynne

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Sue me for posting facts - 21 Jun 2006 03:09 GMT
> > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
> > >
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> that SJW interacts with.
> Always remember to self=medicate responsibly, please.

Thanks for the input.

However,  my suggesting SJW in this particular instance is a
consequence of V's MHP's having led her around by the nose for 5 years
while they drained her of all her life savings, and abused her in a
multitude of other ways,  then,  lied about all that,  then, prevented
her complaints against the two abusive MHP's from being processed by
falsely depicting her as insane,  all of which led eventually led to  V
becoming a  homeless person with little or no money...and,  no access
to ethical or competent MHP's  and,  denial of prescription drugs V
believes might help her.

To wit:
Dexedrine
Wellbutrin
Celexa

SJW is being suggested as a substitute for the prescription AD's V is
being denied,

V is an incredibly intelligent person,  even a medical writer------very
capable of checking on drug --drug interactions if V takes SJW,  and,
then is  later prescribed a drug she feels would be helpful
hoofprints - 21 Jun 2006 16:49 GMT
> > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
> > > >
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> capable of checking on drug --drug interactions if V takes SJW,  and,
> then is  later prescribed a drug she feels would be helpful

Then V. is aware that amphetamine use can mimic bi-polar dx criteria.
I read in this thread where she had recently been dx as bi-polar which
is a dx change from ADHD.
If she were to be treated for bi-polar the drugs of choice in manic
phase are lithium and Depakote which carry their own unique set of side
effects.
The change alone from ADHD to a dx of bi-polar is a stessor for V.
JMHO

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Sue me for posting facts - 21 Jun 2006 20:08 GMT
> > > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
> > > > >
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> The change alone from ADHD to a dx of bi-polar is a stessor for V.
> JMHO

WTF?

"Everyone"  closing ranks against V and saying she is bipolar to obtain
a court order to violently and forcibly chemically lobotomize V to
exact retribution against V for perseverating wrt her claims which
(among other claims),  include allegations she was abused by two NYU
MHP's,  and,  NYU refused  to process her complaint ,  does not make V
bipolar.

Hence, V rejected being diagnosed as bipolar by physicians whose
loyalties were divided  and requested meds for relief of symptoms which
impair her ability to perform in significant aspects of her life.

The meds V will take are

Dexedrine
Welbutrin
Celexa.

Physicians,  with divided loyalties,  are  denying V prescriptions for
any med which might enable V to have the initiative to do the things
which V needs to claw her way out of the wormhole authoritarian and
coercive psychiatry has placed her in.

Hence,  I suggested V get herself some SJW

"Kira" is the most reputable brand sold in the US---Perika and Morvana
also have a good reputation.
CommonSense1 - 21 Jun 2006 20:23 GMT
I think she's seeking admittance to Cornell U Hospital today, or that's
what she wrote me this morning and last night.

The recommendation for SJW was cool, but everything else.... you forgot
that the CIA is behind it all.

> > > > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 88 lines]
> "Kira" is the most reputable brand sold in the US---Perika and Morvana
> also have a good reputation.
marcia - 21 Jun 2006 20:35 GMT
> I think she's seeking admittance to Cornell U Hospital today, or that's
> what she wrote me this morning and last night.
>
> The recommendation for SJW was cool, but everything else.... you forgot
> that the CIA is behind it all.

Good to hear. Fingers crossed that this is a better experience for her.
:)

marcia
Sue me for posting facts - 21 Jun 2006 21:35 GMT
> > I think she's seeking admittance to Cornell U Hospital today, or that's
> > what she wrote me this morning and last night.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Good to hear.

IMO,  only another  gossip monger would imagine it's *good* to read any
of the gossip which Commonsense1 has been publishing about Virginia in
public forums having a global distribution.

Virginia's personal story is Virginia's  story;-therefore, a personal
story she alone gets to tell where,  when,  and to whom V chooses to.
Indomitable2@netzer0.cum - 22 Jun 2006 08:28 GMT
Indomitable2@netzero.com wrote:  

> Tipsy blonde flirt-girl with ratty old mother hubbard and lean breasts
> thirsts for super-colossal one-eyed trouser psychic for caveman flap
> bludgeoning. Mail me at Indomitable2@netzero.com
Dr Zen - 22 Jun 2006 11:17 GMT
Murder on the dancefloor, but Indomitable2@netzer0.cum got off with a
caution and it went like this:

>Indomitable2@netzero.com wrote:  
>
>> Tipsy blonde flirt-girl with ratty old mother hubbard and lean breasts
>> thirsts for super-colossal one-eyed trouser psychic for caveman flap
>> bludgeoning. Mail me at Indomitable2@netzero.com

Join the queue, sweetheart.

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Sue me for posting facts - 14 Jun 2006 09:20 GMT
.

> It's an ugly situation which I don't like one little bit.

http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/health.htm

The Mental Health Trap

In every workplace bullying relationship the symptoms suffered by the
target eventually become sufficiently noticeable that people start to
ask questions. At this moment, the bully will try and portray their
target as mentally ill as a way of abdicating and denying their
responsibility for the injury which they have caused. I call this the
mental health trap.

To handle the mental health trap, on every occasion that the bully
implies you are "mentally ill" or "mentally unstable" or are a person
with a "mental health problem", look the bully in the eye and
(preferably with a witness present) say:

The state of my physical and mental wellbeing today is a direct
consequence of your behaviour towards me over the last xx months/years.

Put this in writing, with support from your union or other
representative. You may need to repeat it. If you are coerced into
reporting to occupational health, use this phrase to identify the cause
of your injury. Do not have any qualms about naming the individual
whose behaviour is the cause of your psychiatric injury. Bullies are
skilled at finding and exploiting your forgiving streak in order to get
you to retract allegations. This is a deliberate tactic - so don't be
fooled.

If the bully or your employer insist on labelling you as mentally ill,
consider including libel (written), slander (spoken) and defamation of
character in your legal proceedings. If you are being bullied by the
medical profession, or the employer's doctor insists on labelling you
as mentally ill, question the competence of a medical practitioner who
is unable to tell the difference between mental illness and psychiatric
injury. If you're fighting this battle, see the page on PTSD for
further insight.
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:12 GMT
We have AD[Hi!]D
NOT Bipolar Disorder ...

Just so you know.

We have been effectively treated for 6 years,
MOST effectively with Dexedrine 17.5 mg/day.

Not all AD[Hi!]D medications
Are alike ~

Ritalin was good but gave us some rashes;

Adderall caused irregular heart rhythm and hyperfocus,
If used for long stretches of time.

But DEXEDRINE was effective, safe, and transparent,
The Hallmark of a PERFECT AD[Hi!]D medication

When used in combination with exercise, fresh healthy food
Adequate sleep,

And a strong emotional support nertwork.

> > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
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> Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're
> reading this thread. :)
marcia - 13 Jun 2006 16:39 GMT
> We have AD[Hi!]D
> NOT Bipolar Disorder ...
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>
> And a strong emotional support nertwork.

How did you end up off the Dexedrine? Can you go back the the doctor
who prescribed it?

Sorry you had such a bad experience with the bipolar meds... some will
make you feel like crap (Depakote, for example), others are
transparent, as you would say. I don't know how these would affect
someone who doesn't have bipolar disorder, tho.

Either way, I would be severely ticked if someone forced me to take
*anything* under court order. :)
Art Deco - 14 Jun 2006 05:47 GMT
>We have AD[Hi!]D
>NOT Bipolar Disorder ...
>
>Just so you know.

I have the same pr
Pies de Arcilla - 15 Jun 2006 20:41 GMT
> We have AD[Hi!]D
> NOT Bipolar Disorder ...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> We have been effectively treated for 6 years,
> MOST effectively with Dexedrine 17.5 mg/day.

Just so you know, Dexedrine is

a) highly addictive

and

b) known to cause psychosis.

Why is this thread being crossposted?
MothWrangler - 12 Jun 2006 22:14 GMT
> You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not
> having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to work with her and help her exercise her rights and get the benefits
> for which she is eligible.

I don't know how social workers can help her get the benefits she may be
entitled to when T1 has already rejected the help a number of doctors,
social workers, APS, and the NYC Mental Health Association are able to
offer to her. They can't force her to apply for benefits, or to live in
the housing they have offered her.

The thing is, as you probably know having corresponded with her, T1
wants the kind of help she wants, and doesn't want what's already been
offered to her.

And, for a long time, until she had completely run out of money, the
only help T1 wanted from anyone was help pursuing her claims against her
former doctors, and help finding a doctor who would prescribe her Dexadrine.

She was absolutely fixated on that issue of suing her doctors, not on
the fact that she was running out of money, couldn't work, and could
barely take care of personal living needs. Filing claims against her
doctors was her priority, and T1 neglected the more pressing issues of
"where will I live?" and "how will I eat?"

T1's like some drowning person, who yells for help, but when thrown some
kind of life-saving device says, "I don't want to be helped that way!"
shoves the device away, yells abuse at the person who tried to save her
in the "wrong" way, and continues to drown.

Then another person comes along, hears her crying for help, sees her
drowning, and that person tries to help by throwing her a life-saving
device. But T1 rejects that person's help too, because it's the "wrong"
kind. And so it goes, with person after person who try to help her.

I don't know what the answer is, but it seems to me that a large
percentage of the homeless in any community are mentally ill people who
reject the kinds of help that is available and has been offered to them,
either because they don't want to admit that need help, don't like the
medications, and/or don't want to live in a hospital or therapeutic
housing.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 23:03 GMT
> T1's like some drowning person, who yells for help, but when thrown some
> kind of life-saving device says, "I don't want to be helped that way!"
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else

Been there, done that. Poor judgment and lack of insight are
symptomatic of active mental illness because whatever's going on in our
brains changes our perception of the world and, therefore, our
priorities. The behavior and choices we make that others find
disruptive and frustrating are usually not willfully so, but arise from
our failing to recognize distortions and believing wholeheartedly in
our misperceptions.

This kind of thinking tend to wax and wane, so help that is rejected
one time may be accepted another. And sometimes it takes awhile to
adjust to the idea that help is needed at all, because it may challenge
our entire self-concept. The best you can do is continue to toss the
rope, in hope the person will eventually grab it. Don't give up.
Warhol - 12 Jun 2006 23:18 GMT
> > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not
> > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else-

You are stupied... That's what I think.
O'Hush - 12 Jun 2006 23:56 GMT
>> Nancy
>> Unique, like everyone else-
>
> You are stupied... That's what I think.

Heh.  Fukicng iodit.
Raving Loonie - 13 Jun 2006 02:09 GMT
> I don't know what the answer is, ....
MothWrangler is clueless?

> ... but it seems to me that a large
> percentage of the homeless in any community are mentally ill people who
> reject the kinds of help that is available and has been offered to them,
> either because they don't want to admit that need help, don't like the
> medications, and/or don't want to live in a hospital or therapeutic
> housing.
How about ...

... a large percentage of the homeless in any community are people who
reject having incorrect diagnoses and malformed motives rammed down
their throats. They are individuals who have long since lost hope that
they could ever advocate for themeselves, on their own behalf. They are
people who have lost all faith that anyone is capable of listening to
and accepting them in an open, sincere and direct manner, free of
preconception and alterior motive.

You don't believe it MothWrangler?

I'll put it to you this way ....

Imagine yourself being pronounced as having a condition which simply
"isn't" you.  The shoes that you have been handed just don't fit.  ...
Walking in them is painfull and the shoes never seem to become
broken-in.  Your efforts at protesting the poor fit of the shoe or the
pain that it causes are disregarded, dismissed and ultimatley thrown
right back at you by pronouncemensts such as you are passive-agressive,
opositional-defiant, intransigent, entitled, narcissistic, BPD, bitter,
re-acting, whining, trouble maker, unwilling to help yourself,
resentful of those trying to help you. ....

The more that you protest that the shoe doesn't fit; the more you are
ignored, managed as if you were some uncomprehending piece of
livestock. ... without merit that deserves you being listened to.  ...
You are stupid; your understanding is warped;  whatever you say is
automatically rejected without ever being heard.

You are coerced into ingesting drugs that dull your thoughts into
mindlessness; that rob you of the ability to focus your eyes and read;
that deaden your emotions to nothing. You are emotionless; not caring
one way or the other.

All this will *likely* come about, simply by being handed the wrong
diagnosis.

 The medicine and therapy is useless at best, but more likely to be
debilitating.

If you manage to escape this experience with your body and soul intact;
you end up discovering that your personna;  your pride and confidence
in "self" has been burned out and gutted.  You are nothing to yourself.

I have BTDT, MothWrangler.  ,... I know what Twittering One is going
through.

These are the words which are coming from someone who is dull minded
and emotionless.  They represent the hard crux of her objective ability
...

Twittering One wrote:
> I do not recommend either.
> I am in serach of an good ADD doc who is reliable
> and trustworthy.

> You may not know me in person,
> but I am the most"even-tempered" person I know.
> I am not biploar.

Sure, it may be misguided, re-acting, distorted bullshit. ..

If it was that way, I seriously doubt that she would waste her breath
and meager energy making the effort.

I suggest that at the very least you RESPECT and ACCEPT what Virgina
has to say.  It doesn't mean that anything can be done about some of
the things which are "said" ...

But this whole process is being driven by the monolithic disregard and
dismissal of Virginia Hooper's lucid objectivity.

She is fighting back as best she can with the only weapon available to
her.

That's how I perceive it, MothWrangler.

Cordially,

RL
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:46 GMT
Wise words, Raving.

> > I don't know what the answer is, ....
> MothWrangler is clueless?
[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
>
> RL
Double-A - 13 Jun 2006 02:47 GMT
> > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not
> > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else

There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her
about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a
contingency basis at no expense to her.  I tried to refer her to them.
She said she didn't want to go by herself to talk to them.  But perhaps
she is also fearful that they might tell her she has no case.  But of
course the logical course is to find out and move on whichever way it
goes.  That course is still open to her.

To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you.  I could
see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause.

Double-A
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 04:20 GMT
> There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her
> about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> course the logical course is to find out and move on whichever way it
> goes.  That course is still open to her.

Did you contact any of these firms and talk to them about T1's case?

I'm just wondering, because someone else T1 contacted to help her find a
lawyer told me last fall that he had talked to several highly qualified
medical malpractice lawyers in the NYC area, and told them what he knew
about Virginia's claims, and not one of the lawyers was interested in
taking the case, or talking to her about it.

This man did explain to me why the lawyers told him they weren't
interested in T1's case, but I can't find his emails, and I don't
remember what the explanation was.

When Virginia was told by the man who had talked to the lawyers on her
behalf that none of them were interested in taking her case, she accused
the man of lying.

Last year, I had put together a list of legal resources in NY for
Virginia--non-profit agencies which might be able to refer her to an
attorney who might take her case, and public interest law firms which
might represent someone with a disability in a malpractice claim or a
HIPPA claim. AFAIK, she didn't contact anyone on that list.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else

> To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you.  I could
> see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause.
>
> Double-A
Double-A - 13 Jun 2006 13:50 GMT
> > There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her
> > about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> >
> > Double-A

No, I didn't talk to any lawyers, just found some firms that
specialized in malpractice cases.  I thought that they would have to
look at the facts of her case before coming to a conclusion about it,
so I advised her to put the facts of her complaints in order on paper
first so she would have something to give them.  I think that she has
pretty well documented her complaints in postings she has made to one
of the other newsgroups.  I don't know why lawyers would prejudge her
case without looking at it unless they either think that psych patient
against psych Dr. is a hopeless case, or that NYU is too revered an
institution to go after.  If psych patient credibility is the problem,
there is always the possibility of finding other patients with similar
complaints against the same doctors.  That's how they convicted the
pedophile priests.

The thing is, most of those law firms offer a free initial
consultation, so you have nothing to lose by talking to them.

Double-A
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:50 GMT
Indeed, all true.
But I maintained my FAITH in the Justice System.

> > There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her
> > about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> >
> > Double-A
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 17:36 GMT
> Indeed, all true.
> But I maintained my FAITH in the Justice System.

Alas, as I pointed out, justice isn't always the result of a court case.

The injured party doesn't always win, or doesn't win enough.

The law isn't always written, or decided, to the benefit of the person
with the best moral claim to justice.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
Sue me for posting facts - 13 Jun 2006 21:37 GMT
> > > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not
> > > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> course the logical course is to find out and move on whichever way it
> goes.  That course is still open to her.

More so because of the forced medication.

> To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you.  I could
> see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause.

Virginia defin

> Double-A
Sue me for posting facts - 14 Jun 2006 09:01 GMT
> There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her
> about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you.  I could
> see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause.

FYI,  Headquarters for the Network Against Coercive Psychiatry is in
NYC

Network Against Coercive Psychiatry
172 West 79th Street, #2E
New York, NY 10024
212/560-7288

Board of AdvisorsNetwork Against Coercive Psychiatry

* Stanley Aronowitz, Ph. D. * Peter Breggin, M. D. * Judi Chamberlain *
Phyllis Chesler, Ph. D. * Ramsey Clark * George Ebert * Leonard Frank *
Kenneth Gergen, Ph. D. * Jay Haley * James Hillman, Ph. D. * Jill
Johnston * Ken Kesey * Rev. David Kossey * Cloe Madanes * Jeffrey
Masson, Ph. D. * James Mancuso, Ph. D. * Kate Millett, Ph. D. *
Kirkpatrick Sale * Dorothy Tennov, Ph. D. * Eileen Walkenstein, M. D. *
John Weakland * Monty Zimmer, Ph. D. * Lynn Zimmer, Ph. D. * Kyle
Christensen * Sandra Everett * Seth Farber, Ph. D. * Ronald Leifer, M.
D. * Susan Thornton-Smith *

> Double-A
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:28 GMT
All true.
As any decent LITIGATOR

Worth his/her salt knows ...

> > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not
> > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:01 GMT
Indeed, all true.
We are very Difficult.

> > > Friends of Twittering,
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>
> Double-A
MothWrangler - 12 Jun 2006 21:43 GMT
> Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
> any contact with the hospital social worker pre-release?

[T1 told me that it was OK for me to post info that she's emailed me.
T1's emails or posts are the source of the info I'm going to give about
her.]

T1 was offered therapeutic housing by the hospital, but rejected it. She
says she wants her former apartment in Manhattan back.

At one time, NY Adult Protective Services, which had been contacted by
one of her RL friends, was helping her apply for disability benefits,
but then, T1 told the social worker that she'd changed her mind and
wasn't interested in pursuing benefits further, because T1 was certain
she would be well enough to return to work before the application could
be processed.

What T1 really wanted from the APS was help from them in pursuing her
claims against her doctors, and the social worker told her he could not
help her with that.

T1 also was reluctant to cooperate with the APS psychiatrist's
examination of her. She insists the only mental disorder she has is
ADHD, and that she'll be just fine once she can take Dexadrine again.
Since she was on Dexadrine for most of the time she's been unable to
function, it doesn't seem like Dexadrine is the answer--as the last four
doctors she's seen have told her. She rejected the treatment recommended
by these doctors.

> There are options available to her that could make her life much
> easier, that she doesn't appear to be exploiting at this point. If you
> really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those
> further.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
Raving Loonie - 12 Jun 2006 21:54 GMT
> > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> > really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those
> > further.
All whilst being 'doped to the gills' ...

Very impressive, IMO.

Twittering One is one tough and determined lady!

 Meaning ....

  Perhaps, it is time to reconsider?

Of course, considering "Where to go from here ... " may at the
immediate moment produce a complete 'blank'.

Yet, if a person stares long enough and hard enough, the eyes can play
'tricks' on a person...

Who knows?   ... Some alternate " direction of travel "  or "objective"
might reveal, itself.

I sincerely HTHs ...

Cordially,

RL
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 22:49 GMT
> > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else

That's unfortunate. Mental health laws are a double-edged sword, in
that people are now protected from lifelong imprisonment in mental
hospitals, but not protected from the consequences of their own
thinking or (sometimes) reduced decision-making capacity.

T1 always has the option of changing her mind, if she wishes. (Or not.)

Something she might consider is ongoing outpatient case management (so
she can develop an ally in the mental health system). This could be
through the hospital or a different agency, if she prefers, so that
someone can advocate for her and keep her abreast of the services
available in her area. Maybe she'd be willing to put her claims against
her doctors on the back burner temporarily while attending to the
practical aspects of daily living. That doesn't mean she has to
*forget* the issue, only that she *temporarily* sets something else as
a higher priority.

I can understand her wanting to return to work, and that seems more
likely to happen if she settles into a stable living situation and gets
at least temporary disability assistance. Maybe it would help to think
of SSI/SSDI as a stepping stone, rather than a dead end.

I don't know whether she's bipolar or not, but if she is, she may not
know how common it is for a person to have both ADHD and bipolar
disorder, or to develop bipolar disorder on top of ADHD at any age.

There are many medications (and combinations of medication) that can
treat the negative symptoms she may be experiencing without diluting
her ability to think or changing the aspects of her personality she
likes; however, going *untreated* *can* cause irreversible cognitive
damage. My tested IQ dropped nearly 15% during the years I was off
medication. This would have been true no matter what label was applied
to my illness, because my brain needed something it wasn't getting.
Also, sometimes medication that has worked well in the past (like
Dexedrine, and some things I have taken) may no longer correct chemical
or neurological imbalances, and may need to be changed or supplemented
with something different. This is very common.

I've seen many people post about how bright and creative T1 is, so I
hope she'll be willing to consider whether that perspective fits her
situation. Imo, intelligence is an asset worth protecting.

Thank you for helping me understand T1's situation a little better,
Nancy. Since she and I aren't in direct communication, please let her
know I've responded to your post and hope things turn around for her
soon.

marcia
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:22 GMT
Indeed, all true.
We have AD[Hi!]D

And we were abused.
Abuse has long-term effects.

ANd we BELIEVED the SYSTEM was honest;
Perhaps there, alas,

Comes our deepest wound
>From which we are still bleeding.

We want THE SYSTEM to work properly for The INNOCENT
And we want BIG Damages for our time and losses

BIG ENOUGH

So that people REMEMBER ...

Because as Rick Bragg reported (former NYT's reporter)

"'If if aint writ down people's forget about it.'"

A grieving New Orleans grandmother said that to Mr.
Bragg when her grandchild was shot and killed
Innocently ...

> > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving
> > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
Sue me for posting facts - 13 Jun 2006 21:25 GMT
> Indeed, all true.
> We have AD[Hi!]D
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ANd we BELIEVED the SYSTEM was honest;

Gullibility is a prominent symptom of ADHD.

So,  don't assume any responsibility for the fact *professionals*
knowingly and intentionally exploited the gullibility of a patient with
aDHD.
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 17:56 GMT
> Friends of Twittering,
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> If you send money, please specify Virginia Hooper as the recipient and
> also send her an email at virginiaz@aol.com letting her know the money

Google loves to obliterate email addresses.  For those of you
displaying this with Google, the email address is virginiaz(at)aol.com.
Just subsitute @ for (at).

Double-A

> is there, and please include the Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN)
> that you get on your receipt in your email to her, as that will help
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Double-A
Hagar - 12 Jun 2006 18:16 GMT
Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ??
I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ...

> Friends of Twittering,
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Double-A
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 18:33 GMT
> Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ??
> I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ...

Nope.  No welfare Cadillac here.  No color TV in her shopping cart.

She uses a computer at the public library which is free, but is limited
to one hour a day.  Fortunately AOL has not yet cut off her use of her
email address for nonpayment.

Double-A

> > Friends of Twittering,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> >
> > Double-A
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 18:52 GMT
> > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ??
> > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Double-A

She may be able to get a hotmail or yahoo account (those are free)
while using the library computer. I'm not sure, but I don't think
they'd block that. Just an FYI in case needed.
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 19:31 GMT
> > > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ??
> > > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ...
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> while using the library computer. I'm not sure, but I don't think
> they'd block that. Just an FYI in case needed.

Thanks.  Or she can open a Hushmail account such as I have, when the
time comes.  I'm not sure if AOL will block her email address, or just
her dial-up access.  Of course the library computers already have
Internet access.

Double-A
phoenixmoon522 - 12 Jun 2006 19:52 GMT
> > > > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ??
> > > > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ...
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Double-A

They do cut off your ability to check your e-mail at AOL. But I created
a Hotmail account for a friend of mine who also happens to be homeless
in NYC and he checks his e-mail at public libraries all the time.

My friend's son advised me that Gmail (Google) is better than Hotmail
because he would have pretty much unlimited space and wouldn't have to
*save* e-mails he might need in the future, which isn't allowed at
public libraries.

Twittering One can create her own account from the library, or if one
of her friend's created it on his/her own comp.-- T1 would just need
the name and password e-mailed to her before her AOL does shut her off.

As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but
that was it. The system is f.cked.
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 20:26 GMT
> As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
> out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
> order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but
> that was it. The system is f.cked.

Here are three phone numbers and descriptions of programs that may be
helpful for both Virginia and your friend. They can get into permanent
housing and then qualify for SSI, food stamps and other services. This
is very much worth looking into.

Department of Human Services, office of Client Advocacy:

You can call DHS' Office of Client Advocacy toll free at
1-800-994-6494, or you may be connected through 311.

The Office of Client Advocacy was established in June 2002. The office
assists clients by working in partnership with DHS staff, provider
organizations and other agencies. The Office is now staffed with eight
advocates. Calls received over the weekend or after hours will be
returned the following business day.

We encourage clients to first work with caseworkers or shelter staff to
resolve individual issues. Client advocates are available to assist in
resolving outstanding issues. Advocates assist clients in the following
ways:
    ·     Providing crisis intervention for people at risk of becoming
homeless;
    ·     Assisting clients to overcome the barriers to obtaining permanent
housing;
    ·     Negotiating with other agencies and providers on behalf of the
clients; and
    ·     Helping mediate conflicts between shelter staff and clients.

The Office of Advocacy is active in policy discussions within DHS and
is a strong, effective voice advocating systemic reform on behalf of
the clients.

Recovery Works

Recovery Works is a unique model for working with formerly homeless
MICA and SPMI consumers. The transitional living program is comprised
of twelve beds each for men and women in a three-story building and six
beds in nearby apartments for consumers who are ready for increased
independence. After approximately 18 months in transitional housing,
consumers are assisted with placement into a level of more permanent
housing commensurate with their needs.

On the ground floor of Recovery Works is a day treatment program, which
addresses issues specific to SPMI and MICA treatment. Groups include
Relapse Prevention, Mental Illness/Medication Awareness, Double
Trouble, Parenting, Housing and Life Skills. Because men and women in
recovery have gender-specific needs, we offer separate Anger Management
and Survivors of Childhood Trauma groups for men and women. The day
treatment program accepts referrals from outside providers.

A psychiatrist and a nurse are on-site. Case Managers work with clients
to assist them with benefits and housing, and to monitor program
progress. Our Vocational Rehabilitation Specialist provides a wide
range of services, including individual vocational counseling,
stipended positions in the community, and referrals to VESID and Fast
Track to Employment, MHA's employment and support program for SPMI
consumers.

Recovery Works consumers are involved in the operation of the program
and work with staff to establish skill-building activities in the area
of relapse prevention, mental health treatment, education,
socialization, healthy living and employment training and support.
Ultimately, the goal of Recovery Works is to break the cycle pf
psychiatric hospitalization, homelessness, and alcohol and drug
addiction by teaching tools that promote housing permanence,
psychiatric stability, a clean and sober lifestyle, and independent
living.

For further information or to make a referral, contact:

Program Coordinator
Recovery Works
2011 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10029
Tel: (212) 360-6835
Fax: (212) 860-3658

Supported Housing Programs

MHA's Supported Housing Programs provide housing to SPMI and MICA
individuals and families whose mental illness has been stabilized. Many
of the consumers served by these programs have histories of
homelessness, multiple psychiatric hospitalizations, relapse, and/or
are parents whose goal is to reunite with their children. With
scatter-site studio and one-bedroom apartments for singles and couples
in Manhattan and the Bronx, as well as scatter-site two bedroom
apartments in the Bronx for parent(s) and one child, the Supported
Housing Programs offer a level of supervision appropriate to the
integration of the SPMI or MICA consumer into independent housing in
the community.

All tenants receive case management services on an as-needed basis.
Their apartments are visited three times per month, once by a Case
Manager and twice by a trained Peer Specialist. Monthly meetings with
tenants and Supported Housing staff provide socialization, conflict
resolution skills and self-empowerment. The much-coveted "Tenant of the
Month" award, accompanied by a gift, is a highlight of these meetings.
Recreational activities, such as movies, restaurant trips, or cultural
events, are decided by the tenants and provide enjoyable outings to
places they might never otherwise experience.

The Supported Housing Programs are part of MHA's comprehensive array of
Adult Services. Consumers have access to Recovery Works, a day
treatment program for MICA consumers;  Harlem Bay Network, a weekday
and evening psychosocial clubhouse;  Open House, a Friday night
recreational program; Fast Track to Employment, an award-winning,
nationally recognized employment placement and support program for SPMI
consumers; Another Way, which provides referral and advocacy services
to consumers with mental illness; and Parent Resource Centers for
consumers who need support and advocacy around children's issues.

Eligible consumers must be ready to live in independent housing. The
Supported Housing Programs are designed to specifically address the
housing and supportive service needs of individuals with serious and
persistent mental illness with or without co-occurring substance abuse
and/or alcohol dependencies.

For further information or to make a referral, contact:

Coordinator of Supported Housing
2011 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10029
Tel: (212) 360-6835
Fax: (212) 860-3658
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 00:17 GMT
>>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
>>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
>>order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but
>>that was it. The system is f.cked.

Marcia,

It's nice you want to help, but just to let you know, you're just the
latest in a long string of people who tried, without success, to try to
get help for T1.

As long ago as April, 2005, I tried to put T1 in contact with the NYC
Mental Health Association. I was concerned because she needed help with
her daily living needs. And I wanted her to be able to get some RL
support for her mental health issues.

Among some of the things I was aware of: She wasn't picking up her mail
 or paying her bills, her taxes returns weren't filed, she had some
medical problems like an ear infection and dental issues that were being
neglected. And she claimed that she was basically helpless, unable to
take care of any of those problems by herself.

I urged T1 to call the MHA and gave her their phone number. She said
that she was too helpless to so much as call them. So, I got her contact
info from her, and with her permission, I called them on her behalf.

Here's what happened:

The MHA association took T1's contact info from me, and they said they'd
certainly see what they could do to help her.

The MHA made a number of attempts over many hours to call T1, but her
phone line was always busy.

The MHA then called me to tell me that they'd been trying without
success to contact T1, but her line was always busy. That was because,
at the time, when T1 wasn't sleeping, she was on-line, sending emails,
posting to usenet, which tied up her only phone line.

At that point, I IMed T1 to alert her to the fact that MHA was trying to
call her, and asked her to keep her phone line free for a while so MHA
could reach her. She refused.

She did promise me that she'd contact MHA later that day, but didn't.
Then she said, "I'll do it tomorrow." Then it was, "when the weekend is
over." Then it was, "next week"...which became "next month."

She said that she couldn't call MHA because she insisted that she needed
to get all her papers (about her abuse claims against her former
doctors) in order before she called them.

I told her several times that she didn't need her papers in order to
initiate services or get help. But I couldn't convince her to make the call.

I also told her the MHA phone line was manned 24/7, so she could call at
any time, and kept urging her to do so, until I finally gave up.

Finally, months later, she called the MHA or visited them, I don't know
which. But, in any case, she didn't ask for help with her daily living
needs, or help finding support, but for help in pursuing her claims
against her former doctors.

The MHA told her that they didn't provide such legal services, but
offered to give her the names of other resources where she perhaps could
find that kind of legal help. She didn't follow up with any of those
resources, and AFAIK, since the MHA wouldn't give her the type of legal
help she wanted, and she didn't want the help they could offer her, she
never accepted any help from them.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
phoenixmoon522 - 13 Jun 2006 15:23 GMT
> >>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
> >>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
> >>order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but
> >>that was it. The system is f.cked.

<snip>
> Marcia,
>
> It's nice you want to help, but just to let you know, you're just the
> latest in a long string of people who tried, without success, to try to
> get help for T1.

That was me, Michaela, who wrote that. I was referring to a life-long
friend of mine, not T1.
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 16:59 GMT
>>>>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
>>>>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
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> That was me, Michaela, who wrote that. I was referring to a life-long
> friend of mine, not T1.

I don't know why I snipped everything Marcia wrote, and left what you
wrote, when I was replying to Marcia's concerns about T1. Brain glitch.

But, the attributions in my post, "phoenixmoon522 wrote:" (below the
attribution "marcia wrote:"), do show that I attributed your words to
you, not Marcia. The number of <'s shows that you, not Marcia, wrote the
words I quoted in my post.

[crossposts to misc.writing, rec.running and alt.astronomy removed.]

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
phoenixmoon522 - 13 Jun 2006 19:21 GMT
> >>>>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
> >>>>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
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> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else

Gotcha!
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:42 GMT
Indeed, mostly true.

But when I called MHA,
They merely offered to give some referral,
About which they could not vouch, as for quality.

Alas, referral ----> referal ---> referal ---> referal --->

> >>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend
> >>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in
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> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
marcia - 13 Jun 2006 16:56 GMT
> Indeed, mostly true.
>
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>
> Alas, referral ----> referal ---> referal ---> referal --->

You may have a hard time finding anyone in the system willing to vouch
for the quality of anyone else's services. I don't whether your
complaint against your doctor(s) would be something to discuss with the
ACLU, but if you feel your civil liberties were violated, it may be
something to consider.

At some point, the statute of limitations is going to run out on this,
as it sounds like it might be a personal injury case. In New York
State, you have 3 years to bring action for personal injury, but only
one year for slander/libel/defamation of character.
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 17:41 GMT
>>Indeed, mostly true.
>>
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> State, you have 3 years to bring action for personal injury, but only
> one year for slander/libel/defamation of character.

This is not my area of expertise, but from what I've understood her to
say about them in the past, T1's claims about her former doctors seem to
fall into several categories:

1. HIPPA violations. She says one of her doctors told someone else at
the hospital, with whom she worked in a volunteer capacity, about her ADHD.

2. Medical malpractice. She claims the doctors she had been seeing for
treatment of her ADHD and therapy mishandled her treatment.

3. Ethical violations. Among other things, she claims her doctors
sexually abused her.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
marcia - 13 Jun 2006 19:42 GMT
> This is not my area of expertise, but from what I've understood her to
> say about them in the past, T1's claims about her former doctors seem to
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> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else

Hmmm. I sympathize, but it seems those charges would be hard to prove.
I'm not an expert on this either, so I could be wrong.
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 17:23 GMT
> Indeed, mostly true.
>
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>
> Alas, referral ----> referal ---> referal ---> referal --->

But those referral's were a means you could have used to start looking
for a lawyer. However, I understand that you wanted a lawyer, not more
names of places you could start looking for one.

You always seemed to think that once you found a lawyer, all your
problems would be resolved. But, as I told you on a number of occasions,
even if you eventually found a lawyer to take your case, it might take
years before your case went to arbitration or trial or was settled. And
if it went to trial, as certain as you are that you have a good case
against your former doctors, you might lose and wind up with nothing.

In the meantime, you weren't working and hadn't worked for quite a
while, were spending down your savings, and you needed help with trying
to find some kind of employment, affordable housing, someone to look
after your medical and dental care, get your mail, help you budget your
remaining money, pay your bills, etc.

I referred you to MHA to get some help you with taking care of your
living needs that I've mentioned. I really wish you would have done so.

But all that is in the past, so not much we can do about it now. We've
got to start now from where you are, not from where you were then. I
hope that you'll take advantage of whatever help is made available to
you now.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
commonsense1@verizon.net - 13 Jun 2006 19:47 GMT
Nancy has such a good take on what's going on with Virginia. As I've
told Virginia many times, no lawyer is going to take her case unless an
independent psychiatrist can support what Virginia calls abuse.
However, the one shrink with whom V did speak at length about her
claims of abuse took it upon herself to write the state agency
governing psychiatric ethics that Virginia has no case and her
allegations should be ignored. While V has pointed to some unethical
behaviors by one of the two therapists she wants prosecuted, the basis
of her claim of abuse is that the therapist told her to stop combing
through her past looking for answers about present day behavior and to
instead focus on the here and now. For some reason, to Virginia, this
constituted horrible abuse. Note also that Virginia's criminal abuse
claims extend to two therapists, an high unlikely probability, and one,
she initially praised in her letters to NYU Medical Center. Finally,
think about the "cover up" of her therapists actions by NYUMC.  These
therapists each only rent office space from the center, they have no
other affiliation. Yet V insists that there is a wide-ranging
conspiracy within NYUMC to silence her.

> > Indeed, mostly true.
> >
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> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 21:17 GMT
You have an amazing grasp of the facts,
David ~ !

> Nancy has such a good take on what's going on with Virginia. As I've
> told Virginia many times, no lawyer is going to take her case unless an
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> > Nancy
> > Unique, like everyone else
CommonSense1 - 14 Jun 2006 13:47 GMT
More to the point, unlike you, I think they matter.

> You have an amazing grasp of the facts,
> David ~ !
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> > > Nancy
> > > Unique, like everyone else
Twittering One - 14 Jun 2006 15:06 GMT
David,

ALL I have talked about are FACTS.
They matter immensely.

They are THE FACTS OF MY LIFE, too.

Virginia Hooper
New York CIty

> More to the point, unlike you, I think they matter.
>
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> > > > Nancy
> > > > Unique, like everyone else
commonsense1@verizon.net - 14 Jun 2006 15:22 GMT
Virginia,

NYUMC is not covering up anything. And you have never made clear to
anyone how you were abused, which makes the whole thing so suspect.

But the major fact here is that you have a mental illness, which you
deny and which you refuse to seek help for.

You didn't lose your home and savings because of criminal abuse by two
therapists, but because of mental illness.

Do you remember telling me when we were 19 or 20 how you nearly slid
into insanity after your mother's death?  You said you would do crazy
things like drive around all night long, but that you were able to keep
hold of things.  Well, you've been doing crazy things now for two years
it looks like, but you haven't kept hold of things this time around.

I dont think you're bipolar either, because although you can be real
manic, you don't seem to be depressed at all. But unless you work with
a doctor to find the right treatment, you're going to die soon.

Love, D

> David,
>
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> > > > > Nancy
> > > > > Unique, like everyone else
Twittering One - 14 Jun 2006 15:27 GMT
You are a liar David Smith.

commonsen...@verizon.net wrote:
> Virginia,
>
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> > > > > > Nancy
> > > > > > Unique, like everyone else
commonsense1@verizon.net - 14 Jun 2006 15:49 GMT
What am I lying about?

> You are a liar David Smith.
>
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> > > > > > > Nancy
> > > > > > > Unique, like everyone else
Raving Loonie - 14 Jun 2006 15:59 GMT
commonsen...@verizon.net wrote:
> What am I lying about?
>
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> > > > > > > > Nancy
> > > > > > > > Unique, like everyone else
Oiy!  Everyone take a coffee break.

Everyone is misconstruing.

 I can *explain*   ( cross fingers ) ...

  And clear up much of the "frustrating", heartbreaking confusion in
all this.

Chill out briefly.  .. I am right on it.

 Look to that new thread that I am now starting to write.

( Trying to write.   ... I only mean well for everyone.  I can see all
points-of-view simultaneo