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Double-A - 11 Jun 2006 23:52 GMT Friends of Twittering,
As many of you know, our Twittering One has become a homeless person on the streets of New York. I have heard some of you express a desire to give her some financial help if only you had a way, and Western Union has been suggested by several people as a quick way to transfer money.
So here is a way you can help if you wish to send Twittering money via Western Union. I have checked with her, and she would be able to receive money at the following Western Union agent, if you would be so kind:
FOOD EMPORIUM #767 200 EAST 32ND ST NEW YORK, NY 10016 Tel: (212) 686-0260
You don't actually have to go to a Western Union office, but can use a credit or debit card by phoning 1-800-CALL-CASH, or by going to their website at
http://www.westernunion.com/
If you send money, please specify Virginia Hooper as the recipient and also send her an email at virginiaz@aol.com letting her know the money is there, and please include the Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN) that you get on your receipt in your email to her, as that will help her identify herself as the rightful recipient at the Western Union office.
I hope that many of you will find it in your hearts to want to help her through this time of need.
Thanks.
Double-A
Raving Loonie - 12 Jun 2006 00:04 GMT > Friends of Twittering,
> FOOD EMPORIUM #767 > 200 EAST 32ND ST > NEW YORK, NY 10016 > Tel: (212) 686-0260 Finally, ....
At least this.
.... Just the beginning of the road.
Warhol - 12 Jun 2006 00:51 GMT This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ... Remenber that we all must help our fallen Brothers and Sisters... A Command from God Himself... Once you have read this... there No Escape anymore than helping Twitty and Steve... Otherwise a Warholian Curse may befall you...
Freewill and pre-determination are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Consider that you may be faced with a cusp, or fork in the path you face. One fork leads one way, one leads the other. Each road may have a predetermined outcome, but the choice of roads is yours.
Human beings were never created as robots. We were created as capable of showing true love, which mandates that we have free will. "You are reading more into it than is needed."
God created us to be companions, not servants. The universe can be a lonley place, even if you are God...maybe especially, since the loneliness would be perfect loneliness.
If you are think about a propheseyed outcome, that is something else entirely, and requires a different view of time itself. Not even God could tell you what has not happened, so therefore for the prophesies to be correct, the outcome has already happened, we just have not reached that point where we are aware of it.
Remember helping your brother or sister is as helping yourself thrue the eye of the needle... And NOW all of you PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE POCKETS... and HELP.
> Friends of Twittering, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Double-A Double-A - 13 Jun 2006 22:30 GMT > This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western > union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ... Remenber [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > the eye of the needle... And NOW all of you PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE > POCKETS... and HELP. Sir Warhol,
I want to thank you for your most generous personal contribution to help Twitty, and for your help in getting the drive underway. You are truly a man of your word and a credit to your faith.
With many thanks,
Double-A
Warhol - 14 Jun 2006 01:30 GMT Double-A schreef:
> > This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western > > union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ... Remenber [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Double-A Thanks 2*A, for this nice words, I can accept that, but lets not forget your contribution .... I realy hope that more people "Pick up their cross and help Twitty 1"... and not Twitty alone... there are many poor souls around us, in all the city's, all over the world... were so called normal people even dont look towards the weak anymore, Man and woman and children who are seeking for help, bread, medi care etc... and thats very bad, man is forgotten that one day may come he too shall fall. Why Humanity should declare war against exclusion of the weakest amomgst.. lets remember jesus said "There is always hope, O thou for whom Heaven and Earth were created." Man must learn to stand up fight for his brothers right and see the important things around us, as love, and happyness in OUR WORLD.. I Feel Happy when I can help somewere and so should all humans beens do... Dont eat alone share with your brothers and sisters, dont close the door for people who ask help help... one day may come that they will open their harts for you and help on their turn... and the most important thing is by doing a good action we are creating a longstanding Harmony.
Paul speaks of this in I Corinthians Chapter 13 - We gain & we are nothing without love.,, We are ALL created by God - None above and none below another. God loves us all... so we must love each other with a Helping hand ... with building a better world for us all... a world with no fear for tomorrow. Revelation 21:4, referring to the sick and the suffering, says, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Herein lies our call to know, love, and serve God in this life so that we will be with him in the life to come. We are called to be part of the Body of Christ, or in other words, human hands and feet for God to use to wipe away tears, heal spiritual distress, and offer comfort for mourning, crying, and pain...
The little Moorish Prince, Warhol Von Saali... Teach Inn's live from Bru'Seli Bridge...
Twittering One - 14 Jun 2006 15:01 GMT Sir Warhol saved my day ~ ! Many thanks again to him.
> > This mission is not as complicated as it looks... just go to Western > > union and send Enough Money That Twitty is really helped ... Remenber [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Double-A Warhol - 14 Jun 2006 19:36 GMT Never mind that large ball of plasma in the sky ... a Helping Hand to a Brother or Sister is more important... NOW WE STILL NEED the stupied drugs, that makes you so sick... I realy hope that there will some other God fearing Human been(S), who can help you with a real HOME, Computer and a connection so that our next MISSION against injustice can start... BUT FIRST OF ALL, HELP TWITTY NOW,,, Tomorrow it will be to late... Let us become one Family, and than we can take care for each other... and chase Lions, Wolfs, Vipers, Vermin like rats, frogs, locust, so they stay away of the community's... I will dress as a lion to scare them away from the Jungle...
Finally ... Politicians are spending $9 billion per month to make Iraq insecure because they believed Chalabi's drunken nephew's ZOG stories about WMD.
The Word can save... if there are listeners... OPEN YOUR EARS...
The UN has it all figured out
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=10366103
The most potent threats to life on Earth - global warming, health pandemics, mass poverty and armed conflict - could be ended by moves to unlock US$7.24 trillion ($10.6 trillion) of previously untapped wealth, the United Nations claims.
Twittering One schreef:
> Sir Warhol saved my day ~ ! > Many thanks again to him. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > > Double-A marcia - 12 Jun 2006 16:02 GMT > Friends of Twittering, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Double-A Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have any contact with the hospital social worker pre-release?
There are options available to her that could make her life much easier, that she doesn't appear to be exploiting at this point. If you really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those further.
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 18:12 GMT > > Friends of Twittering, > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those > further. You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by being forced to take drugs that seem to make her worse.
Social workers have, I've been told, tried to help her, but they have a busy schedule and don't have enough time for a difficult patient. Is not the fact that she is negative and difficult merely a reflection of her mental morbidity, and not a flaw that we should be blaming her for? I really wish there could be someone there on site with the patience to work with her and help her exercise her rights and get the benefits for which she is eligible.
Does anyone know a Mother Teresa type in New York City?
Double-A
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 18:50 GMT > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Double-A Who is blaming her? I also have bipolar disorder (which I understand is her current diagnosis), and well understand the difficulty of thinking clearly and exercising good judgment off meds.
I agree, she needs an advocate. If you're in the city, you might try contacting NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) to see what local resources are available for this.
Meds, a secure place to live, three meals a day, regular medical and dental care, a little money in her pocket... that's what she stands to gain by working with social workers. It's my understanding that some of the group homes are very good; the staff is non-intrusive, and no one is forced to take meds (although it is encouraged, of course). She may have her own room, or at most one roommate, which would afford her more privacy than she gets in a shelter. She would still have the freedom to come and go as she pleases, and to engage in whatever activities she enjoys and is capable of.
Of course, entering a group home can be anxiety-provoking. You don't know anyone at first, and don't know what to expect, but most people settle in quickly.
Social workers and case workers at her local mental health facility (for whatever catchment area she would be assigned) are trained to work with the mentally ill, and are not put off by "difficult" behavior.
Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're reading this thread. :)
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 20:34 GMT > I agree, she needs an advocate. If you're in the city, you might try > contacting NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) to see what > local resources are available for this. There are four NAMI offices in the New York City area: The last listing is for the Metro area.
Affiliates in New York County - 4 records found
NAMI Bronx Families & Advocates 1500 Waters Pl., Room 228 Bronx , NY 10461
Primary Contact: Paulina Magnetti Alternate Contact: June Rodriques (718) 282-2237
Area(s) Served: Bronx
NAMI Friends of the NYS Psychiatric Institute
Primary Contact: Betts Custer (914) 967-3589
Area(s) Served: New York City and New York State
NAMI Harlem P.O. Box 102 New York , NY 10037
Primary Contact: Ruth Levell (212) 865-2770
Area(s) Served: Harlem
NAMI NYC Metro 505 8th Ave, Suite 1103 New York , NY 10018
Primary Contact: ----- Helpline: (212) 684-3264
Area(s) Served: New York City
Raving Loonie - 12 Jun 2006 23:10 GMT > > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > her current diagnosis), and well understand the difficulty of thinking > clearly and exercising good judgment off meds. Although, my opinion is not the popular one, I'll state it, FWIW.
1) In the main, a person has a single dysfuctional condition. ... Being any one of { BP, ADD, A/S, Schitzophrenia, OCD, ... } excludes the likelihood of being another.
I view these conditions as a temprement of "thinking.style" and not as a disease model.
>From the perspective of a "Disease model", there is no problem with the concept of co-morbidity. ...
>From the perspective of "Thinking style"; doing it "one way" carries with it, the implicit assumption that it is not being done "another way". ... How and where one draws the boundary between different ways is another issue. It is unlikely that "Thinking style" changes over a life time. It is too central and essential to the cognitive process. Changing the main way of doing things; midstream; would wreak havoc with those memories and experiences already laid down. ... The geometry of the underlying fabric which connects thoughts and experiences would change; if one where to "jump switch" thinking styles.
2) Of course,Twittering One *might* be BP and ADD .. or even just BP ...
Yet, in my inexpert opinion, a description of ADD seems fine. ...
And there is a lot of motivation because of the frustrating, writhing and squirming awkwardness of the situation to try an 'alternate diagnosis' to see if it produces a better "fit".
When the whole process is driven by logistical, managerial, and implimentational factors, as it really seems to be so ( "said" from my uninformed and inexpert vantagepoint) in T1's case ...
... changing the label and treatment in the expectation of a positive prognosis is 'faint hope' at best, and wraught with *considerable* and *likely* negative consequences.
It's an ugly situation which I don't like one little bit.
Frankly, it does not speak well for the current state and implication of modern medical practice. It's the sort of nonsense which ought to have been recognized decades ago.
Shrugging one's shoulders and resigning one's self to the inevidibility of "such" a reality is just plain stupid and negligent, IMO. No excuse. Sorry.
> I agree, she needs an advocate. If you're in the city, you might try > contacting NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) to see what [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're > reading this thread. :) Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:35 GMT Raving ... Just so you know ~
I tried (under Court Order) the Bipolar meds.
They made me feel like sh.t!
I could not read a novel, nor did I want to do so.
I felt like a COTTON HEAD stupid idiot.
The added ANTIPSYCHOTCS made me muddled And angry, with BODY STIFFNESS mimicing Parkinsons.
The ONLY time I've been MANIC was when I was withdrawing from Depakote (the bipolar med they gave me).
I will willing take the following ~
AD[Hi!]H meds Celexa Wellbutrin
But I will NOT willingly take antipsychoitcs or bipolar meds. I felt like a fuckig BRICK was sitting on head.
> > > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're > > reading this thread. :) Sue me for posting facts - 14 Jun 2006 08:50 GMT > I will willing take the following ~ > > AD[Hi!]H meds > Celexa > Wellbutrin In the meantime....consider taking SAM-E or St. John's Wort.
They both provide some relief---although, SJW takes forever to kick in.
Chris Malcolm - 15 Jun 2006 09:23 GMT In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote:
>> I will willing take the following ~ >> >> AD[Hi!]H meds >> Celexa >> Wellbutrin
> In the meantime....consider taking SAM-E or St. John's Wort.
> They both provide some relief---although, SJW takes forever to kick > in. SJW takes a few days to deliver its initial effect to me, which is enough to be useful. It takes a few weeks to deliver the stronger follow through effect. As with all psych drugs, YMMV.
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Indomitable2@netzero.com - 15 Jun 2006 21:58 GMT > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > enough to be useful. It takes a few weeks to deliver the stronger > follow through effect. As with all psych drugs, YMMV. Can you recommend a good brand?
OTC preparations are not regulated in US;therefore, one must know which brands of SJW are the real McCoy.
Chris Malcolm - 18 Jun 2006 12:27 GMT In alt.support.attn-deficit Indomitable2@netzero.com wrote:
>> In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> enough to be useful. It takes a few weeks to deliver the stronger >> follow through effect. As with all psych drugs, YMMV.
> Can you recommend a good brand?
> OTC preparations are not regulated in US;therefore, one must know > which brands of SJW are the real McCoy. Sorry, all I can remember is that of the four different brands I've tried, one appeared not to work, and that the ones usually carried by my usual health food store do work. It would also not surprise me if what worked depended on the individual, since there are widely varying individual responses to all the prescription antidepressants.
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hoofprints - 21 Jun 2006 02:08 GMT > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > OTC preparations are not regulated in US;therefore, one must know > which brands of SJW are the real McCoy. Hi Linda, My time in this NG is brief. May I make a suggestion that before you get on the SJW bandwagon that you run a search on PubMed? There is some information there based on studies of the herb that you might find of interest including side effects and which western drugs that SJW interacts with. Always remember to self=medicate responsibly, please.
Bye for now, Lynne
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Sue me for posting facts - 21 Jun 2006 03:09 GMT > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > that SJW interacts with. > Always remember to self=medicate responsibly, please. Thanks for the input.
However, my suggesting SJW in this particular instance is a consequence of V's MHP's having led her around by the nose for 5 years while they drained her of all her life savings, and abused her in a multitude of other ways, then, lied about all that, then, prevented her complaints against the two abusive MHP's from being processed by falsely depicting her as insane, all of which led eventually led to V becoming a homeless person with little or no money...and, no access to ethical or competent MHP's and, denial of prescription drugs V believes might help her.
To wit: Dexedrine Wellbutrin Celexa
SJW is being suggested as a substitute for the prescription AD's V is being denied,
V is an incredibly intelligent person, even a medical writer------very capable of checking on drug --drug interactions if V takes SJW, and, then is later prescribed a drug she feels would be helpful
hoofprints - 21 Jun 2006 16:49 GMT > > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: > > > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > capable of checking on drug --drug interactions if V takes SJW, and, > then is later prescribed a drug she feels would be helpful Then V. is aware that amphetamine use can mimic bi-polar dx criteria. I read in this thread where she had recently been dx as bi-polar which is a dx change from ADHD. If she were to be treated for bi-polar the drugs of choice in manic phase are lithium and Depakote which carry their own unique set of side effects. The change alone from ADHD to a dx of bi-polar is a stessor for V. JMHO
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Sue me for posting facts - 21 Jun 2006 20:08 GMT > > > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > The change alone from ADHD to a dx of bi-polar is a stessor for V. > JMHO WTF?
"Everyone" closing ranks against V and saying she is bipolar to obtain a court order to violently and forcibly chemically lobotomize V to exact retribution against V for perseverating wrt her claims which (among other claims), include allegations she was abused by two NYU MHP's, and, NYU refused to process her complaint , does not make V bipolar.
Hence, V rejected being diagnosed as bipolar by physicians whose loyalties were divided and requested meds for relief of symptoms which impair her ability to perform in significant aspects of her life.
The meds V will take are
Dexedrine Welbutrin Celexa.
Physicians, with divided loyalties, are denying V prescriptions for any med which might enable V to have the initiative to do the things which V needs to claw her way out of the wormhole authoritarian and coercive psychiatry has placed her in.
Hence, I suggested V get herself some SJW
"Kira" is the most reputable brand sold in the US---Perika and Morvana also have a good reputation.
CommonSense1 - 21 Jun 2006 20:23 GMT I think she's seeking admittance to Cornell U Hospital today, or that's what she wrote me this morning and last night.
The recommendation for SJW was cool, but everything else.... you forgot that the CIA is behind it all.
> > > > > > In alt.support.attn-deficit Sue me for posting facts <Indomitable2@netzero.com> wrote: > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > "Kira" is the most reputable brand sold in the US---Perika and Morvana > also have a good reputation. marcia - 21 Jun 2006 20:35 GMT > I think she's seeking admittance to Cornell U Hospital today, or that's > what she wrote me this morning and last night. > > The recommendation for SJW was cool, but everything else.... you forgot > that the CIA is behind it all. Good to hear. Fingers crossed that this is a better experience for her.
:) marcia
Sue me for posting facts - 21 Jun 2006 21:35 GMT > > I think she's seeking admittance to Cornell U Hospital today, or that's > > what she wrote me this morning and last night. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Good to hear. IMO, only another gossip monger would imagine it's *good* to read any of the gossip which Commonsense1 has been publishing about Virginia in public forums having a global distribution.
Virginia's personal story is Virginia's story;-therefore, a personal story she alone gets to tell where, when, and to whom V chooses to.
Indomitable2@netzer0.cum - 22 Jun 2006 08:28 GMT Indomitable2@netzero.com wrote:
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Sue me for posting facts - 14 Jun 2006 09:20 GMT .
> It's an ugly situation which I don't like one little bit. http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/health.htm
The Mental Health Trap
In every workplace bullying relationship the symptoms suffered by the target eventually become sufficiently noticeable that people start to ask questions. At this moment, the bully will try and portray their target as mentally ill as a way of abdicating and denying their responsibility for the injury which they have caused. I call this the mental health trap.
To handle the mental health trap, on every occasion that the bully implies you are "mentally ill" or "mentally unstable" or are a person with a "mental health problem", look the bully in the eye and (preferably with a witness present) say:
The state of my physical and mental wellbeing today is a direct consequence of your behaviour towards me over the last xx months/years.
Put this in writing, with support from your union or other representative. You may need to repeat it. If you are coerced into reporting to occupational health, use this phrase to identify the cause of your injury. Do not have any qualms about naming the individual whose behaviour is the cause of your psychiatric injury. Bullies are skilled at finding and exploiting your forgiving streak in order to get you to retract allegations. This is a deliberate tactic - so don't be fooled.
If the bully or your employer insist on labelling you as mentally ill, consider including libel (written), slander (spoken) and defamation of character in your legal proceedings. If you are being bullied by the medical profession, or the employer's doctor insists on labelling you as mentally ill, question the competence of a medical practitioner who is unable to tell the difference between mental illness and psychiatric injury. If you're fighting this battle, see the page on PTSD for further insight.
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:12 GMT We have AD[Hi!]D NOT Bipolar Disorder ...
Just so you know.
We have been effectively treated for 6 years, MOST effectively with Dexedrine 17.5 mg/day.
Not all AD[Hi!]D medications Are alike ~
Ritalin was good but gave us some rashes;
Adderall caused irregular heart rhythm and hyperfocus, If used for long stretches of time.
But DEXEDRINE was effective, safe, and transparent, The Hallmark of a PERFECT AD[Hi!]D medication
When used in combination with exercise, fresh healthy food Adequate sleep,
And a strong emotional support nertwork.
> > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Hi, Virginia. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, if you're > reading this thread. :) marcia - 13 Jun 2006 16:39 GMT > We have AD[Hi!]D > NOT Bipolar Disorder ... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > And a strong emotional support nertwork. How did you end up off the Dexedrine? Can you go back the the doctor who prescribed it?
Sorry you had such a bad experience with the bipolar meds... some will make you feel like crap (Depakote, for example), others are transparent, as you would say. I don't know how these would affect someone who doesn't have bipolar disorder, tho.
Either way, I would be severely ticked if someone forced me to take *anything* under court order. :)
Art Deco - 14 Jun 2006 05:47 GMT >We have AD[Hi!]D >NOT Bipolar Disorder ... > >Just so you know. I have the same pr
Pies de Arcilla - 15 Jun 2006 20:41 GMT > We have AD[Hi!]D > NOT Bipolar Disorder ... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We have been effectively treated for 6 years, > MOST effectively with Dexedrine 17.5 mg/day. Just so you know, Dexedrine is
a) highly addictive
and
b) known to cause psychosis.
Why is this thread being crossposted?
MothWrangler - 12 Jun 2006 22:14 GMT > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to work with her and help her exercise her rights and get the benefits > for which she is eligible. I don't know how social workers can help her get the benefits she may be entitled to when T1 has already rejected the help a number of doctors, social workers, APS, and the NYC Mental Health Association are able to offer to her. They can't force her to apply for benefits, or to live in the housing they have offered her.
The thing is, as you probably know having corresponded with her, T1 wants the kind of help she wants, and doesn't want what's already been offered to her.
And, for a long time, until she had completely run out of money, the only help T1 wanted from anyone was help pursuing her claims against her former doctors, and help finding a doctor who would prescribe her Dexadrine.
She was absolutely fixated on that issue of suing her doctors, not on the fact that she was running out of money, couldn't work, and could barely take care of personal living needs. Filing claims against her doctors was her priority, and T1 neglected the more pressing issues of "where will I live?" and "how will I eat?"
T1's like some drowning person, who yells for help, but when thrown some kind of life-saving device says, "I don't want to be helped that way!" shoves the device away, yells abuse at the person who tried to save her in the "wrong" way, and continues to drown.
Then another person comes along, hears her crying for help, sees her drowning, and that person tries to help by throwing her a life-saving device. But T1 rejects that person's help too, because it's the "wrong" kind. And so it goes, with person after person who try to help her.
I don't know what the answer is, but it seems to me that a large percentage of the homeless in any community are mentally ill people who reject the kinds of help that is available and has been offered to them, either because they don't want to admit that need help, don't like the medications, and/or don't want to live in a hospital or therapeutic housing.
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 23:03 GMT > T1's like some drowning person, who yells for help, but when thrown some > kind of life-saving device says, "I don't want to be helped that way!" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Been there, done that. Poor judgment and lack of insight are symptomatic of active mental illness because whatever's going on in our brains changes our perception of the world and, therefore, our priorities. The behavior and choices we make that others find disruptive and frustrating are usually not willfully so, but arise from our failing to recognize distortions and believing wholeheartedly in our misperceptions.
This kind of thinking tend to wax and wane, so help that is rejected one time may be accepted another. And sometimes it takes awhile to adjust to the idea that help is needed at all, because it may challenge our entire self-concept. The best you can do is continue to toss the rope, in hope the person will eventually grab it. Don't give up.
Warhol - 12 Jun 2006 23:18 GMT > > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not > > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else- You are stupied... That's what I think.
O'Hush - 12 Jun 2006 23:56 GMT >> Nancy >> Unique, like everyone else- > > You are stupied... That's what I think. Heh. Fukicng iodit.
Raving Loonie - 13 Jun 2006 02:09 GMT > I don't know what the answer is, .... MothWrangler is clueless?
> ... but it seems to me that a large > percentage of the homeless in any community are mentally ill people who > reject the kinds of help that is available and has been offered to them, > either because they don't want to admit that need help, don't like the > medications, and/or don't want to live in a hospital or therapeutic > housing. How about ...
... a large percentage of the homeless in any community are people who reject having incorrect diagnoses and malformed motives rammed down their throats. They are individuals who have long since lost hope that they could ever advocate for themeselves, on their own behalf. They are people who have lost all faith that anyone is capable of listening to and accepting them in an open, sincere and direct manner, free of preconception and alterior motive.
You don't believe it MothWrangler?
I'll put it to you this way ....
Imagine yourself being pronounced as having a condition which simply "isn't" you. The shoes that you have been handed just don't fit. ... Walking in them is painfull and the shoes never seem to become broken-in. Your efforts at protesting the poor fit of the shoe or the pain that it causes are disregarded, dismissed and ultimatley thrown right back at you by pronouncemensts such as you are passive-agressive, opositional-defiant, intransigent, entitled, narcissistic, BPD, bitter, re-acting, whining, trouble maker, unwilling to help yourself, resentful of those trying to help you. ....
The more that you protest that the shoe doesn't fit; the more you are ignored, managed as if you were some uncomprehending piece of livestock. ... without merit that deserves you being listened to. ... You are stupid; your understanding is warped; whatever you say is automatically rejected without ever being heard.
You are coerced into ingesting drugs that dull your thoughts into mindlessness; that rob you of the ability to focus your eyes and read; that deaden your emotions to nothing. You are emotionless; not caring one way or the other.
All this will *likely* come about, simply by being handed the wrong diagnosis.
The medicine and therapy is useless at best, but more likely to be debilitating.
If you manage to escape this experience with your body and soul intact; you end up discovering that your personna; your pride and confidence in "self" has been burned out and gutted. You are nothing to yourself.
I have BTDT, MothWrangler. ,... I know what Twittering One is going through.
These are the words which are coming from someone who is dull minded and emotionless. They represent the hard crux of her objective ability ...
Twittering One wrote:
> I do not recommend either. > I am in serach of an good ADD doc who is reliable > and trustworthy.
> You may not know me in person, > but I am the most"even-tempered" person I know. > I am not biploar. Sure, it may be misguided, re-acting, distorted bullshit. ..
If it was that way, I seriously doubt that she would waste her breath and meager energy making the effort.
I suggest that at the very least you RESPECT and ACCEPT what Virgina has to say. It doesn't mean that anything can be done about some of the things which are "said" ...
But this whole process is being driven by the monolithic disregard and dismissal of Virginia Hooper's lucid objectivity.
She is fighting back as best she can with the only weapon available to her.
That's how I perceive it, MothWrangler.
Cordially,
RL
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:46 GMT Wise words, Raving.
> > I don't know what the answer is, .... > MothWrangler is clueless? [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > RL Double-A - 13 Jun 2006 02:47 GMT > > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not > > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a contingency basis at no expense to her. I tried to refer her to them. She said she didn't want to go by herself to talk to them. But perhaps she is also fearful that they might tell her she has no case. But of course the logical course is to find out and move on whichever way it goes. That course is still open to her.
To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you. I could see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause.
Double-A
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 04:20 GMT > There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her > about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > course the logical course is to find out and move on whichever way it > goes. That course is still open to her. Did you contact any of these firms and talk to them about T1's case?
I'm just wondering, because someone else T1 contacted to help her find a lawyer told me last fall that he had talked to several highly qualified medical malpractice lawyers in the NYC area, and told them what he knew about Virginia's claims, and not one of the lawyers was interested in taking the case, or talking to her about it.
This man did explain to me why the lawyers told him they weren't interested in T1's case, but I can't find his emails, and I don't remember what the explanation was.
When Virginia was told by the man who had talked to the lawyers on her behalf that none of them were interested in taking her case, she accused the man of lying.
Last year, I had put together a list of legal resources in NY for Virginia--non-profit agencies which might be able to refer her to an attorney who might take her case, and public interest law firms which might represent someone with a disability in a malpractice claim or a HIPPA claim. AFAIK, she didn't contact anyone on that list.
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
> To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you. I could > see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause. > > Double-A Double-A - 13 Jun 2006 13:50 GMT > > There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her > > about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > Double-A No, I didn't talk to any lawyers, just found some firms that specialized in malpractice cases. I thought that they would have to look at the facts of her case before coming to a conclusion about it, so I advised her to put the facts of her complaints in order on paper first so she would have something to give them. I think that she has pretty well documented her complaints in postings she has made to one of the other newsgroups. I don't know why lawyers would prejudge her case without looking at it unless they either think that psych patient against psych Dr. is a hopeless case, or that NYU is too revered an institution to go after. If psych patient credibility is the problem, there is always the possibility of finding other patients with similar complaints against the same doctors. That's how they convicted the pedophile priests.
The thing is, most of those law firms offer a free initial consultation, so you have nothing to lose by talking to them.
Double-A
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:50 GMT Indeed, all true. But I maintained my FAITH in the Justice System.
> > There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her > > about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > Double-A MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 17:36 GMT > Indeed, all true. > But I maintained my FAITH in the Justice System. Alas, as I pointed out, justice isn't always the result of a court case.
The injured party doesn't always win, or doesn't win enough.
The law isn't always written, or decided, to the benefit of the person with the best moral claim to justice.
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
Sue me for posting facts - 13 Jun 2006 21:37 GMT > > > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not > > > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > course the logical course is to find out and move on whichever way it > goes. That course is still open to her. More so because of the forced medication.
> To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you. I could > see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause. Virginia defin
> Double-A Sue me for posting facts - 14 Jun 2006 09:01 GMT > There are a number of legal firms in NYC that would love to talk to her > about her medical malpractice claims, and might take her case on a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > To fight the establishment you need big legal guns behind you. I could > see that filing complaints on her own was a lost cause. FYI, Headquarters for the Network Against Coercive Psychiatry is in NYC
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> Double-A Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:28 GMT All true. As any decent LITIGATOR
Worth his/her salt knows ...
> > You have to understand, she is working with a brain muddled by not > > having the drugs that help her think clearly, and further befuddled by [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:01 GMT Indeed, all true. We are very Difficult.
> > > Friends of Twittering, > > > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Double-A MothWrangler - 12 Jun 2006 21:43 GMT > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have > any contact with the hospital social worker pre-release? [T1 told me that it was OK for me to post info that she's emailed me. T1's emails or posts are the source of the info I'm going to give about her.]
T1 was offered therapeutic housing by the hospital, but rejected it. She says she wants her former apartment in Manhattan back.
At one time, NY Adult Protective Services, which had been contacted by one of her RL friends, was helping her apply for disability benefits, but then, T1 told the social worker that she'd changed her mind and wasn't interested in pursuing benefits further, because T1 was certain she would be well enough to return to work before the application could be processed.
What T1 really wanted from the APS was help from them in pursuing her claims against her doctors, and the social worker told her he could not help her with that.
T1 also was reluctant to cooperate with the APS psychiatrist's examination of her. She insists the only mental disorder she has is ADHD, and that she'll be just fine once she can take Dexadrine again. Since she was on Dexadrine for most of the time she's been unable to function, it doesn't seem like Dexadrine is the answer--as the last four doctors she's seen have told her. She rejected the treatment recommended by these doctors.
> There are options available to her that could make her life much > easier, that she doesn't appear to be exploiting at this point. If you > really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those > further. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
Raving Loonie - 12 Jun 2006 21:54 GMT > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > really want to help her, you might encourage her to look into those > > further. All whilst being 'doped to the gills' ...
Very impressive, IMO.
Twittering One is one tough and determined lady!
Meaning ....
Perhaps, it is time to reconsider?
Of course, considering "Where to go from here ... " may at the immediate moment produce a complete 'blank'.
Yet, if a person stares long enough and hard enough, the eyes can play 'tricks' on a person...
Who knows? ... Some alternate " direction of travel " or "objective" might reveal, itself.
I sincerely HTHs ...
Cordially,
RL
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 22:49 GMT > > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else That's unfortunate. Mental health laws are a double-edged sword, in that people are now protected from lifelong imprisonment in mental hospitals, but not protected from the consequences of their own thinking or (sometimes) reduced decision-making capacity.
T1 always has the option of changing her mind, if she wishes. (Or not.)
Something she might consider is ongoing outpatient case management (so she can develop an ally in the mental health system). This could be through the hospital or a different agency, if she prefers, so that someone can advocate for her and keep her abreast of the services available in her area. Maybe she'd be willing to put her claims against her doctors on the back burner temporarily while attending to the practical aspects of daily living. That doesn't mean she has to *forget* the issue, only that she *temporarily* sets something else as a higher priority.
I can understand her wanting to return to work, and that seems more likely to happen if she settles into a stable living situation and gets at least temporary disability assistance. Maybe it would help to think of SSI/SSDI as a stepping stone, rather than a dead end.
I don't know whether she's bipolar or not, but if she is, she may not know how common it is for a person to have both ADHD and bipolar disorder, or to develop bipolar disorder on top of ADHD at any age.
There are many medications (and combinations of medication) that can treat the negative symptoms she may be experiencing without diluting her ability to think or changing the aspects of her personality she likes; however, going *untreated* *can* cause irreversible cognitive damage. My tested IQ dropped nearly 15% during the years I was off medication. This would have been true no matter what label was applied to my illness, because my brain needed something it wasn't getting. Also, sometimes medication that has worked well in the past (like Dexedrine, and some things I have taken) may no longer correct chemical or neurological imbalances, and may need to be changed or supplemented with something different. This is very common.
I've seen many people post about how bright and creative T1 is, so I hope she'll be willing to consider whether that perspective fits her situation. Imo, intelligence is an asset worth protecting.
Thank you for helping me understand T1's situation a little better, Nancy. Since she and I aren't in direct communication, please let her know I've responded to your post and hope things turn around for her soon.
marcia
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:22 GMT Indeed, all true. We have AD[Hi!]D
And we were abused. Abuse has long-term effects.
ANd we BELIEVED the SYSTEM was honest; Perhaps there, alas,
Comes our deepest wound
>From which we are still bleeding. We want THE SYSTEM to work properly for The INNOCENT And we want BIG Damages for our time and losses
BIG ENOUGH
So that people REMEMBER ...
Because as Rick Bragg reported (former NYT's reporter)
"'If if aint writ down people's forget about it.'"
A grieving New Orleans grandmother said that to Mr. Bragg when her grandchild was shot and killed Innocently ...
> > Isn't she eligible to live in a group home? And why isn't she receiving > > SSI, if not SSDI (depending on work credit eligibility)? Did she have [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Sue me for posting facts - 13 Jun 2006 21:25 GMT > Indeed, all true. > We have AD[Hi!]D [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ANd we BELIEVED the SYSTEM was honest; Gullibility is a prominent symptom of ADHD.
So, don't assume any responsibility for the fact *professionals* knowingly and intentionally exploited the gullibility of a patient with aDHD.
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 17:56 GMT > Friends of Twittering, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > If you send money, please specify Virginia Hooper as the recipient and > also send her an email at virginiaz@aol.com letting her know the money Google loves to obliterate email addresses. For those of you displaying this with Google, the email address is virginiaz(at)aol.com. Just subsitute @ for (at).
Double-A
> is there, and please include the Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN) > that you get on your receipt in your email to her, as that will help [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Double-A Hagar - 12 Jun 2006 18:16 GMT Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ?? I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ...
> Friends of Twittering, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Double-A Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 18:33 GMT > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ?? > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ... Nope. No welfare Cadillac here. No color TV in her shopping cart.
She uses a computer at the public library which is free, but is limited to one hour a day. Fortunately AOL has not yet cut off her use of her email address for nonpayment.
Double-A
> > Friends of Twittering, > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > Double-A marcia - 12 Jun 2006 18:52 GMT > > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ?? > > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Double-A She may be able to get a hotmail or yahoo account (those are free) while using the library computer. I'm not sure, but I don't think they'd block that. Just an FYI in case needed.
Double-A - 12 Jun 2006 19:31 GMT > > > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ?? > > > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > while using the library computer. I'm not sure, but I don't think > they'd block that. Just an FYI in case needed. Thanks. Or she can open a Hushmail account such as I have, when the time comes. I'm not sure if AOL will block her email address, or just her dial-up access. Of course the library computers already have Internet access.
Double-A
phoenixmoon522 - 12 Jun 2006 19:52 GMT > > > > Let me understand this: She is homeless, but has an Email address ?? > > > > I bet she also drives her car to the Food Emporium ... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Double-A They do cut off your ability to check your e-mail at AOL. But I created a Hotmail account for a friend of mine who also happens to be homeless in NYC and he checks his e-mail at public libraries all the time.
My friend's son advised me that Gmail (Google) is better than Hotmail because he would have pretty much unlimited space and wouldn't have to *save* e-mails he might need in the future, which isn't allowed at public libraries.
Twittering One can create her own account from the library, or if one of her friend's created it on his/her own comp.-- T1 would just need the name and password e-mailed to her before her AOL does shut her off.
As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but that was it. The system is f.cked.
marcia - 12 Jun 2006 20:26 GMT > As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend > out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in > order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but > that was it. The system is f.cked. Here are three phone numbers and descriptions of programs that may be helpful for both Virginia and your friend. They can get into permanent housing and then qualify for SSI, food stamps and other services. This is very much worth looking into.
Department of Human Services, office of Client Advocacy:
You can call DHS' Office of Client Advocacy toll free at 1-800-994-6494, or you may be connected through 311.
The Office of Client Advocacy was established in June 2002. The office assists clients by working in partnership with DHS staff, provider organizations and other agencies. The Office is now staffed with eight advocates. Calls received over the weekend or after hours will be returned the following business day.
We encourage clients to first work with caseworkers or shelter staff to resolve individual issues. Client advocates are available to assist in resolving outstanding issues. Advocates assist clients in the following ways: · Providing crisis intervention for people at risk of becoming homeless; · Assisting clients to overcome the barriers to obtaining permanent housing; · Negotiating with other agencies and providers on behalf of the clients; and · Helping mediate conflicts between shelter staff and clients.
The Office of Advocacy is active in policy discussions within DHS and is a strong, effective voice advocating systemic reform on behalf of the clients.
Recovery Works
Recovery Works is a unique model for working with formerly homeless MICA and SPMI consumers. The transitional living program is comprised of twelve beds each for men and women in a three-story building and six beds in nearby apartments for consumers who are ready for increased independence. After approximately 18 months in transitional housing, consumers are assisted with placement into a level of more permanent housing commensurate with their needs.
On the ground floor of Recovery Works is a day treatment program, which addresses issues specific to SPMI and MICA treatment. Groups include Relapse Prevention, Mental Illness/Medication Awareness, Double Trouble, Parenting, Housing and Life Skills. Because men and women in recovery have gender-specific needs, we offer separate Anger Management and Survivors of Childhood Trauma groups for men and women. The day treatment program accepts referrals from outside providers.
A psychiatrist and a nurse are on-site. Case Managers work with clients to assist them with benefits and housing, and to monitor program progress. Our Vocational Rehabilitation Specialist provides a wide range of services, including individual vocational counseling, stipended positions in the community, and referrals to VESID and Fast Track to Employment, MHA's employment and support program for SPMI consumers.
Recovery Works consumers are involved in the operation of the program and work with staff to establish skill-building activities in the area of relapse prevention, mental health treatment, education, socialization, healthy living and employment training and support. Ultimately, the goal of Recovery Works is to break the cycle pf psychiatric hospitalization, homelessness, and alcohol and drug addiction by teaching tools that promote housing permanence, psychiatric stability, a clean and sober lifestyle, and independent living.
For further information or to make a referral, contact:
Program Coordinator Recovery Works 2011 Third Avenue New York, NY 10029 Tel: (212) 360-6835 Fax: (212) 860-3658
Supported Housing Programs
MHA's Supported Housing Programs provide housing to SPMI and MICA individuals and families whose mental illness has been stabilized. Many of the consumers served by these programs have histories of homelessness, multiple psychiatric hospitalizations, relapse, and/or are parents whose goal is to reunite with their children. With scatter-site studio and one-bedroom apartments for singles and couples in Manhattan and the Bronx, as well as scatter-site two bedroom apartments in the Bronx for parent(s) and one child, the Supported Housing Programs offer a level of supervision appropriate to the integration of the SPMI or MICA consumer into independent housing in the community.
All tenants receive case management services on an as-needed basis. Their apartments are visited three times per month, once by a Case Manager and twice by a trained Peer Specialist. Monthly meetings with tenants and Supported Housing staff provide socialization, conflict resolution skills and self-empowerment. The much-coveted "Tenant of the Month" award, accompanied by a gift, is a highlight of these meetings. Recreational activities, such as movies, restaurant trips, or cultural events, are decided by the tenants and provide enjoyable outings to places they might never otherwise experience.
The Supported Housing Programs are part of MHA's comprehensive array of Adult Services. Consumers have access to Recovery Works, a day treatment program for MICA consumers; Harlem Bay Network, a weekday and evening psychosocial clubhouse; Open House, a Friday night recreational program; Fast Track to Employment, an award-winning, nationally recognized employment placement and support program for SPMI consumers; Another Way, which provides referral and advocacy services to consumers with mental illness; and Parent Resource Centers for consumers who need support and advocacy around children's issues.
Eligible consumers must be ready to live in independent housing. The Supported Housing Programs are designed to specifically address the housing and supportive service needs of individuals with serious and persistent mental illness with or without co-occurring substance abuse and/or alcohol dependencies.
For further information or to make a referral, contact:
Coordinator of Supported Housing 2011 Third Avenue New York, NY 10029 Tel: (212) 360-6835 Fax: (212) 860-3658
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 00:17 GMT >>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend >>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in >>order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but >>that was it. The system is f.cked. Marcia,
It's nice you want to help, but just to let you know, you're just the latest in a long string of people who tried, without success, to try to get help for T1.
As long ago as April, 2005, I tried to put T1 in contact with the NYC Mental Health Association. I was concerned because she needed help with her daily living needs. And I wanted her to be able to get some RL support for her mental health issues.
Among some of the things I was aware of: She wasn't picking up her mail or paying her bills, her taxes returns weren't filed, she had some medical problems like an ear infection and dental issues that were being neglected. And she claimed that she was basically helpless, unable to take care of any of those problems by herself.
I urged T1 to call the MHA and gave her their phone number. She said that she was too helpless to so much as call them. So, I got her contact info from her, and with her permission, I called them on her behalf.
Here's what happened:
The MHA association took T1's contact info from me, and they said they'd certainly see what they could do to help her.
The MHA made a number of attempts over many hours to call T1, but her phone line was always busy.
The MHA then called me to tell me that they'd been trying without success to contact T1, but her line was always busy. That was because, at the time, when T1 wasn't sleeping, she was on-line, sending emails, posting to usenet, which tied up her only phone line.
At that point, I IMed T1 to alert her to the fact that MHA was trying to call her, and asked her to keep her phone line free for a while so MHA could reach her. She refused.
She did promise me that she'd contact MHA later that day, but didn't. Then she said, "I'll do it tomorrow." Then it was, "when the weekend is over." Then it was, "next week"...which became "next month."
She said that she couldn't call MHA because she insisted that she needed to get all her papers (about her abuse claims against her former doctors) in order before she called them.
I told her several times that she didn't need her papers in order to initiate services or get help. But I couldn't convince her to make the call.
I also told her the MHA phone line was manned 24/7, so she could call at any time, and kept urging her to do so, until I finally gave up.
Finally, months later, she called the MHA or visited them, I don't know which. But, in any case, she didn't ask for help with her daily living needs, or help finding support, but for help in pursuing her claims against her former doctors.
The MHA told her that they didn't provide such legal services, but offered to give her the names of other resources where she perhaps could find that kind of legal help. She didn't follow up with any of those resources, and AFAIK, since the MHA wouldn't give her the type of legal help she wanted, and she didn't want the help they could offer her, she never accepted any help from them.
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
phoenixmoon522 - 13 Jun 2006 15:23 GMT > >>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend > >>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in > >>order to be eligible for $$. He was allowed emergency *food stamps* but > >>that was it. The system is f.cked. <snip>
> Marcia, > > It's nice you want to help, but just to let you know, you're just the > latest in a long string of people who tried, without success, to try to > get help for T1. That was me, Michaela, who wrote that. I was referring to a life-long friend of mine, not T1.
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 16:59 GMT >>>>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend >>>>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > That was me, Michaela, who wrote that. I was referring to a life-long > friend of mine, not T1. I don't know why I snipped everything Marcia wrote, and left what you wrote, when I was replying to Marcia's concerns about T1. Brain glitch.
But, the attributions in my post, "phoenixmoon522 wrote:" (below the attribution "marcia wrote:"), do show that I attributed your words to you, not Marcia. The number of <'s shows that you, not Marcia, wrote the words I quoted in my post.
[crossposts to misc.writing, rec.running and alt.astronomy removed.]
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
phoenixmoon522 - 13 Jun 2006 19:21 GMT > >>>>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend > >>>>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Gotcha!
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 15:42 GMT Indeed, mostly true.
But when I called MHA, They merely offered to give some referral, About which they could not vouch, as for quality.
Alas, referral ----> referal ---> referal ---> referal --->
> >>As far as welfare, and SSI-- when I drove to NY to help get my friend > >>out of the gutter, both agencies told him that he needed an address in [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else marcia - 13 Jun 2006 16:56 GMT > Indeed, mostly true. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Alas, referral ----> referal ---> referal ---> referal ---> You may have a hard time finding anyone in the system willing to vouch for the quality of anyone else's services. I don't whether your complaint against your doctor(s) would be something to discuss with the ACLU, but if you feel your civil liberties were violated, it may be something to consider.
At some point, the statute of limitations is going to run out on this, as it sounds like it might be a personal injury case. In New York State, you have 3 years to bring action for personal injury, but only one year for slander/libel/defamation of character.
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 17:41 GMT >>Indeed, mostly true. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > State, you have 3 years to bring action for personal injury, but only > one year for slander/libel/defamation of character. This is not my area of expertise, but from what I've understood her to say about them in the past, T1's claims about her former doctors seem to fall into several categories:
1. HIPPA violations. She says one of her doctors told someone else at the hospital, with whom she worked in a volunteer capacity, about her ADHD.
2. Medical malpractice. She claims the doctors she had been seeing for treatment of her ADHD and therapy mishandled her treatment.
3. Ethical violations. Among other things, she claims her doctors sexually abused her.
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
marcia - 13 Jun 2006 19:42 GMT > This is not my area of expertise, but from what I've understood her to > say about them in the past, T1's claims about her former doctors seem to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Hmmm. I sympathize, but it seems those charges would be hard to prove. I'm not an expert on this either, so I could be wrong.
MothWrangler - 13 Jun 2006 17:23 GMT > Indeed, mostly true. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Alas, referral ----> referal ---> referal ---> referal ---> But those referral's were a means you could have used to start looking for a lawyer. However, I understand that you wanted a lawyer, not more names of places you could start looking for one.
You always seemed to think that once you found a lawyer, all your problems would be resolved. But, as I told you on a number of occasions, even if you eventually found a lawyer to take your case, it might take years before your case went to arbitration or trial or was settled. And if it went to trial, as certain as you are that you have a good case against your former doctors, you might lose and wind up with nothing.
In the meantime, you weren't working and hadn't worked for quite a while, were spending down your savings, and you needed help with trying to find some kind of employment, affordable housing, someone to look after your medical and dental care, get your mail, help you budget your remaining money, pay your bills, etc.
I referred you to MHA to get some help you with taking care of your living needs that I've mentioned. I really wish you would have done so.
But all that is in the past, so not much we can do about it now. We've got to start now from where you are, not from where you were then. I hope that you'll take advantage of whatever help is made available to you now.
Nancy Unique, like everyone else
commonsense1@verizon.net - 13 Jun 2006 19:47 GMT Nancy has such a good take on what's going on with Virginia. As I've told Virginia many times, no lawyer is going to take her case unless an independent psychiatrist can support what Virginia calls abuse. However, the one shrink with whom V did speak at length about her claims of abuse took it upon herself to write the state agency governing psychiatric ethics that Virginia has no case and her allegations should be ignored. While V has pointed to some unethical behaviors by one of the two therapists she wants prosecuted, the basis of her claim of abuse is that the therapist told her to stop combing through her past looking for answers about present day behavior and to instead focus on the here and now. For some reason, to Virginia, this constituted horrible abuse. Note also that Virginia's criminal abuse claims extend to two therapists, an high unlikely probability, and one, she initially praised in her letters to NYU Medical Center. Finally, think about the "cover up" of her therapists actions by NYUMC. These therapists each only rent office space from the center, they have no other affiliation. Yet V insists that there is a wide-ranging conspiracy within NYUMC to silence her.
> > Indeed, mostly true. > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Twittering One - 13 Jun 2006 21:17 GMT You have an amazing grasp of the facts, David ~ !
> Nancy has such a good take on what's going on with Virginia. As I've > told Virginia many times, no lawyer is going to take her case unless an [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Nancy > > Unique, like everyone else CommonSense1 - 14 Jun 2006 13:47 GMT More to the point, unlike you, I think they matter.
> You have an amazing grasp of the facts, > David ~ ! [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > Nancy > > > Unique, like everyone else Twittering One - 14 Jun 2006 15:06 GMT David,
ALL I have talked about are FACTS. They matter immensely.
They are THE FACTS OF MY LIFE, too.
Virginia Hooper New York CIty
> More to the point, unlike you, I think they matter. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > Nancy > > > > Unique, like everyone else commonsense1@verizon.net - 14 Jun 2006 15:22 GMT Virginia,
NYUMC is not covering up anything. And you have never made clear to anyone how you were abused, which makes the whole thing so suspect.
But the major fact here is that you have a mental illness, which you deny and which you refuse to seek help for.
You didn't lose your home and savings because of criminal abuse by two therapists, but because of mental illness.
Do you remember telling me when we were 19 or 20 how you nearly slid into insanity after your mother's death? You said you would do crazy things like drive around all night long, but that you were able to keep hold of things. Well, you've been doing crazy things now for two years it looks like, but you haven't kept hold of things this time around.
I dont think you're bipolar either, because although you can be real manic, you don't seem to be depressed at all. But unless you work with a doctor to find the right treatment, you're going to die soon.
Love, D
> David, > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > > > > Nancy > > > > > Unique, like everyone else Twittering One - 14 Jun 2006 15:27 GMT You are a liar David Smith.
commonsen...@verizon.net wrote:
> Virginia, > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > > > > > Nancy > > > > > > Unique, like everyone else commonsense1@verizon.net - 14 Jun 2006 15:49 GMT What am I lying about?
> You are a liar David Smith. > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > > > > > > Nancy > > > > > > > Unique, like everyone else Raving Loonie - 14 Jun 2006 15:59 GMT commonsen...@verizon.net wrote:
> What am I lying about? > [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > > > > > > > Nancy > > > > > > > > Unique, like everyone else Oiy! Everyone take a coffee break.
Everyone is misconstruing.
I can *explain* ( cross fingers ) ...
And clear up much of the "frustrating", heartbreaking confusion in all this.
Chill out briefly. .. I am right on it.
Look to that new thread that I am now starting to write.
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