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Medical Forum / General / General / June 2006"Our new career ...
... collecting & recycling cans & bottles Avec our new bud Steve ~ !" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "... the recycling machine Make a really funny crunching noise When it chews beer bottles [avec such poise] Into bitsy bits of glass [such a fiend ~ !]." ~ Folly > "... the recycling machine > Make a really funny crunching noise > When it chews beer bottles [avec such poise] > Into bitsy bits of glass [such a fiend ~ !]." > ~ Folly How's it going with the dumpster set, T1? ... Looks as if I am on the fast-track to joining you. Keep well. ~ Raving > > "... the recycling machine > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ... Looks as if I am on the fast-track to joining you. http://www.cancentral.com/funFacts.cfm " A used aluminum can returned to a recycling center is worth about a penny to consumer recyclers" ---(except where they have CRV ala calif.). "Americans earn about $1 billion a year recycling aluminum cans." IOW, Twittering One and her friend Steve have lot's of competitors--- (which is what you would be if you went into the dumpster diving business, too.) > (which is what you would be if you went into the dumpster diving > business, too.) Aren't most dumpsters locked nowadays? I sometimes used to go along with some folks who were homeless or squatting and was really shocked to find out what gets thrown out... perfectly usable watches/clothes/etc that were discontinued and the like but the worst were the supermarkets throwing good food out instead of giving it to those who need it. Couple of guys I knew were arrested for taking bread out of a dumpster, how insane can things get? At least they got some decent meals and a warm bed but they were only *trying* to look after themselves without being a burden on anyone. Letting them have the bread would have cost less. I know some supermarkets work with charities but AFAIK most don't. Vashti > > "... the recycling machine > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ... Looks as if I am on the fast-track to joining you. you don't have to wait until those who are intolerant of your point of view kick you to the curb before you *do* something! You could get your arse out of bed at 4am every morning---collect x amount of bottles and cans and bring them to the recyclers for $$$, right now. If nothing else, it allow you to feel *useful*. > > > "... the recycling machine > > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > If nothing else, it allow you to feel *useful*. Funny, how it is ... The thought of ... ' You could get your arse out of bed at 4am every morning---collect x amount of bottles and cans and bring them to the recyclers for $$$, right now. ' .. makes me feel completely useless The biggest, most spectacular, FAILURE, you could imagine. To me, it represents the complete, total, unconditional surrender to 'Apathy' .. It represents the abandonment of any quality about myself that I conswidered to be worthwhile. I( guess that I must be really *sick-in-the-head* for saying that, eh? I understand what you are saying Linda. I understand exactly what motivates you to say it. From that point-of-view held within the context with which you apply it; it makes for good, sensible, advice. .. I am nethier disagreeing or rejecting what you propose. The reason that I feel that I would rather be dead. ... the reason that I feel like worthless, hopeless, garbage when you propose this to me is also clear to me.. I *know* what I ought to be able to do .. I *know* what I do well ... I *know* what is important ... I *know* what can be accomplished ... Accepting what you propose in the 1st person, personal sense ... I.E. "Me" getting up tomorrow morning from my bed and doing exactly THAT for real in RL ... ALSO requires that I accept the ABANDONMENT of all the abovementioned productive qualities. To survive ? ... To pass the time in the interim ? .... To teach myself a lesson ? ... As I see it none of these things are the point-at-all .. The point is to move my own f.cking a.s and succeed in accomplishing what I bloody well know I should be accomplishing. That is is how I see it SMFPF. Cordially, RL BTW, ... In case you hadn't realized it , I am pushing the envelope as hard as I f.cking am able to do. And the only thing it generates is being mocked and dismissed. But you know that reality very well for yourself. Don't you. "Bed ~ ? What's that ~ ? We feign slumber upon cardbaord On First Avenue, avec 34th & 35th Streets, En Le Grand Pomme. Yall come on by ~ !" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG > > > > "... the recycling machine > > > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > But you know that reality very well for yourself. Don't you. > > > > "... the recycling machine > > > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > But you know that reality very well for yourself. Don't you. "All great truths begin as blasphemies." -George Bernard Shaw All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860) The killer is ----once a truth is accepted as self-evident--all those who participated in ridiculing and violently opposing the truth, manufacture lies ala historical revisionism to manufacture the false perception that they had never ridiculed and violently opposed the truth, but, had always been accepted it as self-evident! Because, they had ridiculed and violently opposed the truth; even though the truth had always been self-evident. Because, their membership in the group is a consequence of their being willing to make the truth secondary or subordinate to the values and goals of the group. Get it? It's NOT that they don't understand your truth ergo your point of view; it's that they are INTOLERANT of the truth ergo your point of view. The greed of the mental health profession incites the MH profession to engage in DISEASE MONGERING. The unwillingness of the general populace to assume responsibility for their character flaws, or hold their children accountable for their character flaws incites them to get themselves and their children diagnosed with a disorder. Simultaneously, the overwhelming majority of ethical mental health professionals are LOATHE to diagnose ADHD or any other mental disorder in those who have the attributes of what some call ADHD---because, people who have the attributes of what some call ADHD already have enuff problems; therefore, the last thing they need is a diagnosis of mental illness following them everywhere they go. Thus, what some call ADHD is both overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed. This creates a situation where those who have the attributes of what some call ADHD, subscribe to support groups created for people who have those attributes that have been totally coopted by character flawed people who don't have the attributes of what some call ADHD; therefore, the people who have the attributes of what some call ADHd have the same experience they have everywhere else. Have you ever asked yourself how the hell the world's most renouned procrastinators, who are always willing to consider all points of view, and who bristle at all forms of social control wound up with FOUR, yes I said, FOUR FAQ's? Nobody with the attributes of what some call ADHD would have participated in the creation of *a* FAQ, let alone 4 friggen FAQ's. Because, the motives for creating FAQ's are a) shove one point of view down everyone's throat and B) social control. Parson's posted ASAD's 4 FAQ's every friday or every other Friday. To incite and inflame those who have the attributes of what some call ADHD---so they would identify themselves---where upon they be harassed and defamed and/or stalked until they were successfully run off of ASAD---because, character flawed occupiers are INTOLERANT to the point of view of those who have the attributes of what some call ADHD. Remember---the occupation is here to maintain their illusions about themselves---their having ADHD, and/or their illusion their child has ADHD as opposed to having their parents character flaws imprinted on them, and their parents having mauchenson by proxy. In the summer of 2002, ASAD was overrun with people who have the attributes of what some call ADHD. The Occupation set ALL those who have the attributes of what some call ADHd up in a game of "Let's you and him fight" In doing so the Occupation placed the lives of me and mine---and Byte Me and his S/O, as well as numerous other posters and their loved ones in unestimable danger. The illusions of the Occupiers must be maintained---at all costs. Your pushing the envelop makes you eligible, too. Your point of view IS understood; however, acknowledging your point of view necessitates the Occupation to give up their illusions about themselve; which they aren't going to do; therefore, the occupiers understand but are INTOLERANT to your point of view. Willfully intolerant. if you keep doing the same thing over and over again, you are going to get the same result over and over again. IOW---if you keep trying to reason with people who understand your point of view, but, are willfully intolerant of your point of view---it's going to get you the same place it got you twice before---a mental ward. The only thing I am suggesting you ABANDON---is your false belief that they don't understand your point of view ergo the truth. Because, once you abandon your false belief they don't understand your point of view---ergo the truth...you will using their value system to take your measure as a man. Your ceasing to use their value symptom to take your measure as a man---will cause you to eschew positions in their organizations which you know you can DO---but, which they will never LET you succeed at, and/or give you credit for. Acceptance of which will inspire you to turn your eyes toward finding something you can do, can succeed at, outside of their organizations, which you will then be given all the credit you had been seeking, but as an INNOVATOR. Getting your arse out of bed at 4 am and collecting x amount of cans and bottles and exchanging them for x amount of dollars is a means to an end. the end being your rejecting a value system that proclaims people who get up at 4 am and expend 8 hours a day collecting cans and bottles in exchange for an honest days wages as "useless". Read up on the need to globally recycle---a need which the values of those people cause them to make secondary or subordinate to their goals; therefore, refuse to acknowledge--- therefore they refuse to recycle. Then, get your arse out of bed at 4 am and collect cans and bottles and exchange them for an honest days wages and decide for yourself whether a person who performs a worthwhile but low pay task is *useless*. and, expose yourself to the BIG LIE which your membership in the group incites you to tell yourself that people who collect cans and bottles are useless. Counter culture, baby! ONLY this time round, the counter culture are those who reject a culture where drugging the populace is it's most prominent feature. Get it? the counter culture, replete with drugs, of the 60's and 70's are in charge of todays world. Today's "counter culture" are people who reject the drugging of every man woman and child. A world apart. Two different worlds. Parallel, or even multiple universes. You say you are pushing the envelop? Then push it! *Do* something you have been led to believe is *useless*, then, decide how you feel about having done something everyone says is *useless*. Because, your belief you will feel useless if you got your arse out of bed at 4 am etc.---is a consequence of society proclaming that is how you should feel. The fact is, you do NOT know how you will feel if you get your arse out of bed at 4 am, and collect x amount of cans and bottles and exchange them for x amount of $$$ to assist the army of mostly homeless people who have been performing the absolutely necessary; therefore, worthwhile task of recycling aluminum cans and glass and plastic bottles. Do it or something similiar to discover how you really feel about yourself when you perform a task which society regards as a task performed by useless people. Regards, Indomitable Linda PS: you do realize I LMAO every time I refer to them mockingly as "the occupation". Needless to say---I never laugh so much as I do while reading books like "All's quiet on the western front" . > It's NOT that they don't understand your truth ergo your point of view; > it's that they are INTOLERANT of the truth ergo your point of view. > > The greed of the mental health profession incites the MH profession to > engage in DISEASE MONGERING. Not everyone has had soley negative experiences with mental health services and/or its practitioners. You have a strong bias against it that may prevent someone from getting needed help. > > It's NOT that they don't understand your truth ergo your point of view; > > it's that they are INTOLERANT of the truth ergo your point of view. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Not everyone has had soley negative experiences with mental health > services and/or its practitioners. I know because I never had any negative experiences with mental health clinicians. You have a strong bias against it > that may prevent someone from getting needed help. Bullshit. I support people seeking any type of help which a person believes will help them---because, the placebo effect is such that it will help---so long as they belive it will help. For example, I'm 100% supportive of your seeking all the psychiatric services you need to obtain scripts for the 18 odd psychotropic drugs you take daily owing to your belief they help you cope with living life as the the mentally ill person you believe you are as a consequence of your having been parented by a psychologist. I'm supportive of Twittering One's rejecting being forcibly made to take poison which will slowly maim and kill her---to exact retribution against her owing to an intolerance to her point of view---ergo her truth. it's subjective---case by case Because I believe everyone has a right to self-determination. > Bullshit. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Because I believe everyone has a right to self-determination. Now that doesn't sound supportive or open-minded at all. It sounds like you believe the placebo effect is the only operator, and that medication is "poison" (that will slowly maim and kill...). When you say: >I'm 100% supportive of your seeking all the psychiatric > services you need to obtain scripts for the 18 odd psychotropic drugs > you take daily owing to your belief they help you cope with living life > as the the mentally ill person you believe you are as a consequence of > your having been parented by a psychologist. it really sounds like a mockery and put-down of people who admit to being mentally ill. So you do have a bias, whether you want to admit it or not. Your own words demonstrate that. Twittering One does have the right to reject treatment, and is doing so. Don't make the mistake of thinking mentally ill people are always able to exercise free will, however, because that's impossible to do when your thinking is distorted by whatever physiological process is going on in the brain that could indirectly kill you faster than the medication you deride. Yes, I have a right to take my poison. If I don't, I can count approximately 3 weeks to the time of my next relapse, despite wholeheartedly believing--every time I go off meds--that I'm cured and I won't become manic/depressed "this time." So much for the placebo effect. marcia > > Bullshit. > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > you believe the placebo effect is the only operator, and that > medication is "poison" (that will slowly maim and kill...). You mistake me for someone who cares what *supportive* and *open-minded* sounds like to you. I support your choice to take 18 odd toxic substances that will slowly maim and kill you---because I believe you have the right to decide for yourself that the quality of your life is more important then quantity or longevity. > When you say: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > being mentally ill. So you do have a bias, whether you want to admit it > or not. Your own words demonstrate that. What I was mocking was the daughter of a psychologist projecting her negative experiences with MHP's me---and/or accusing me of having a bias. > Twittering One does have the right to reject treatment, and is doing > so. Don't make the mistake of thinking mentally ill people are always > able to exercise free will, however, because that's impossible to do > when your thinking is distorted by whatever physiological process is > going on in the brain that could indirectly kill you faster than the > medication you deride. Save your propaganda for someone who's buying, ok? > Yes, I have a right to take my poison. If I don't, I can count > approximately 3 weeks to the time of my next relapse, despite > wholeheartedly believing--every time I go off meds--that I'm cured and > I won't become manic/depressed "this time." So much for the placebo > effect. save your propaganda for someone who's buying---ok? I support your right to make decisions which place perceived quality of life above longevity. Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the future. > Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? > If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the > future. If and when you grasp the reality that opinions are like a.sholes in that everyone has one, and you grasp the reality it's delusional of you imagine your totally subjective and unprovable opinions are somehow more "rational" than someone elses, ---then and only then, will there be any point in engaging me in discourse. > > Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? > > If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > more "rational" than someone elses, ---then and only then, will > there be any point in engaging me in discourse. LOL. You might heed your own advice. The nickname you've chosen, "Sue me for posting facts" is strong testimony to *your* inability to distinguish fact from opinion (or from fiction, for that matter). I've read enough of your past posts since writing the above message to discover the only people you even *marginally* tolerate are those who share your opinions and those who smoother you with flattery. Since I have no interest in catering to your narcissism, I will wish you well and say good-bye. marcia > > > Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? > > > If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > me for posting facts" is strong testimony to *your* inability to > distinguish fact from opinion (or from fiction, for that matter). No, it's not. > I've read enough of your past posts since writing the above message to > discover the only people you even *marginally* tolerate are those who > share your opinions and those who smoother you with flattery. 100 % projection. > Since I have no interest in catering to your narcissism, Yet more projection. > I will ....say good-bye. Thank you for respecting my request you cease pursuing communications with me until you accept the reality that your opinions are both subjective and unprovable; therefore, no more or less *reasonable* then anyone elses. <snipped> > > I will ....say good-bye. > > Thank you for respecting my request you cease pursuing communications > with me until you accept the reality that your opinions are both > subjective and unprovable; therefore, no more or less *reasonable* then > anyone elses. <eyes rolling> > <snipped> > > > I will ....say good-bye. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <eyes rolling> As do mine--everytime a narcissist makes any attempt to manipulate me into accepting their subjective, biased, and totally unprovable *opinion* by suggesting it's unreasonable to reject the narcissists biased, self-serving, skewed, and totally uprovable opinions in favor of one's own opinion. Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Could you Brady Bunch girls please just get a room and duke it out??? ~ ~ PJ http://pjs-place.blogspot.com > Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue > wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia > > Could you Brady Bunch girls please just get a room and duke it out??? LOL Kitten > Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue > wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://pjs-place.blogspot.com Would you like to be the referee? You've kept better track of who wrote who wrote who wrote who than I have. ;) marcia >> Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue >> wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia >> >> Could you Brady Bunch girls please just get a room and duke it out??? > Would you like to be the referee? You've kept better track of who wrote > who wrote who wrote who than I have. ;) Naah, I'd rather provide programs and serve refreshments to the onlookers. Might net me a bit of a profit, y'know? ~ ~ ~ PJ http://pjs-place.blogspot.com GIGO, innit. "PJ" <authoressss@yahoo.com> fed this in: >>> Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue >>> wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Naah, I'd rather provide programs and serve refreshments to the onlookers. >Might net me a bit of a profit, y'know? Eye on the dollar as ever. -- Dr Zen Usenet is, of course, a c.nt black hole. No c.nt can come within its event horizon (more accurately I suppose I should call it the total nonevent horizon) without being sucked in. Some people like to kid themselves that it is not a total waste of their time to hang out in newsgroups but unless you truly do think that being called a f.cking idiot by some arsehole like Dr Zen is self-improving, it's as useless as it's possible to be in a world that has made useless an artform. http://gollyg.blogspot.com > Naah, I'd rather provide programs and serve refreshments to the onlookers. > Might net me a bit of a profit, y'know? I read that "rather provide pogroms." Must've gotten you mixed up with Mary Jo there. But talk about your profit potential. . . Christine > Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue > wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia > > Could you Brady Bunch girls please just get a room and duke it out??? Nah! I ought never have replied to Marcia's initial post since Marcia's response to my lenghty reply to RL was a sweeping generalization made to justify her accusing me of preventing people from getting what she views as *help*---being I know from experience any response I made to her sweeping generalization and accusation would be used as a springboard to launch an all out personal attack, replete with sinister attribution errors, false inferences and all the other steps intolerant people engage in to devalue, dehumanize and demonize people expressing points of view they are intolerant of. Ergo --I asked her to cease pursuing communications with me since her emotionally abusive, morally harassing communications are unwelcome and unwanted. see... Stalking the Soul: Emotional Abuse and Erosion of Identity by Marie-France Hirogoyen It is possible to destroy someone simply with words, looks and innuendoes: it is called emotional abuse or moral harassment. In this landmark study, already a bestseller in France and forthcoming in over ten countries, the author analyzes, with numerous examples, the specific features of an abusive relationship and cautions against complacency. She demonstrates a deadly process at work in couples, families and the workplace--a process that sweeps its victims into a depressive, sometimes suicidal vortex. The insidious violence of stalking springs from a determination to get rid of another person without, so to speak, dirtying one's hands. The perverse individual by nature conceals his/her assaults. Unmasking the deception is essential to enable the victim to recover his/her bearings and escape from the aggressor's hold. The author's clinical experience and studies with a concentration in victimology place her squarely on the side of these victims of aggression. It is important to understand what is a real stalking of the soul. Until now the subject of emotional abuse through perverse violence has been largely neglected. This noteworthy and well-documented book is a practical guide for its victims and people wishing to help them, as well as for certified health professionals. Written clearly and vividly, it will interest all those who choose not to remain indifferent to a painful and surprisingly widespread problem in our society today. Marie-France Hirigoyen is a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst and family therapist. Her studies on victimology in both France and the United States led her to further research in the area of stalking and emotional abuse. The translator, Helen Marx, is the publisher of Helen Marx Books. After attending the French Lycée in Buenos Aires and graduating from Smith College, she worked in Paris. She divides her time between Paris and New York. Fall, 2000, Psychology/Wellness 5 x 8, 208 pages, hardcover ISBN 1-885586-53-1 Helen Marx Books ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "Marie-France Hirigoyen has written a book of extraordinary therapeutic value. Her analysis of the often undetected manipulative patterns in destructive relationships is both compassionate and profound, and makes for a fascinating, exciting, and eye-opening reading experience." --Alice Miller, author of Drama of the Gifted Child ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "Abusiveness fascinates, seduces, and terrifies," writes therapist Marie-France Hirigoyen in STALKING THE SOUL: Emotional Abuse and the Erosion of Identity, a compassionate yet hardhitting study. Emotional Abuse, she demonstrates, is not simply a mild form of ill-treatment. Rather, it is a deadly process that can destroy couples, families, and workplaces. Victims of emotional abuse, Hirigoyen shows, are swept up in a deadly game of power and manipulation that saps their sense of self, renders them helpless to resist, and leads to despair and sometimes suicide. Victims who turn to family members, friends or coworkers for help are often met with skepticism or false reassurance. Abusers can be charming; the process of abuse is subtle and difficult to recognize at any given moment. Its real power is cumulative--a control exerted through small, daily acts of cruelty, through words, silences, looks, and innuendoes. But once we recognize the patterns, Hirigoyen shows, we realize how dangerous abusers can be, in all their relationships. We can recognize them by the trail of broken lives they leave behind. Written vividly, with lucid prose and unforgettable case studies, STALKING THE SOUL makes it impossible to remain indifferent to the problem of emotional abuse any longer. Ultimately, Hirigoyen insists that we are all responsible for letting this painful and suprisingly widespread problem poison so many relationships. STALKING THE SOUL challenges us all to identify emotional abuse in our own lives and to recognize it in the lives of those around us, to break its destructive spell and, finally, to learn to live in relationships based on respect and love rather than power and cruelty. Marie-France Hirigoyen is a psychiatrist, psychologist and family therapist. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "Emotional abuse, because it is invisible, becomes that much more destructive: 'the victim is stressed and discredited, berated and spied on.' In addition to alerting us to the danger, Marie-France Hirigoyen outlines a guide for people who don't wish to remain indifferent to this problem in contemporary society. . . and gives us the keys to how to react. . ." --Le Magazine Accord ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "...Marie-France Hirigoyen sheds light in her book on the characteristics of these insidious tyrants and ordinary monsters. To recognize them is to guard against them..." --Elle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ". . . [the emotional abuser] is never responsible, never guilty. He (she) believes that the violence he (she) inflicts is deserved . . ." --Cosmopolitan -Excerpt from this book- http://www.turtlepoint.com/catalog/frames/books/stalking/stalking.html > > Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue wrote Marcia wrote Sue > > wrote Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia Sue Marcia [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > emotionally abusive, morally harassing communications are unwelcome > and unwanted. Ah, excuse me... but when have I *ever* posted to you-other than the last day or two--let alone harrassed or abused you? I haven't "pursued communication" *with you *ever*, nor do I want to, other than correcting this completely distorted message you've written. Since I have *never* written to you before, nor commented on anything you've said or done, nor encountered you in any other group, nor in real life, I'm at a loss to understand *what* past experience with me would lead you to the conclusion I would launch an "all out personal attack, replete with sinister attribution errors, false inferences and all other steps intolerant people engage in to devalue, dehumanize and demonize people expressing points of view they're intolerant of." Your point of view is irrelevent to me; I don't care that we disagree about mental health issues. And I'm not "Marcie," whoever she is or was. I have no desire to persecute you, harrass you, abuse you, or do anything else with you or to you, if that's what she did. That's not the way I treat people, as anyone who knows me will tell you. Honestly, I am completely befuddled by this whole situation, your behavior, and your accusations. I think if we *both* just go our separate ways, you may feel better. I know I would. Besides..... Twittering One being in a state of shell-shock means Twittering One is the primary target of Marcia and the other vampires/soul stalkers who haunt support forums for no other reason then to emotionally abuse and morally harass shellshocked support seekers. > Besides..... > > Twittering One being in a state of shell-shock means Twittering One is > the primary target of Marcia and the other vampires/soul stalkers who > haunt support forums for no other reason then to emotionally abuse and > morally harass shellshocked support seekers. Besides nothing... I have no intention of harming Twittering One. If you make her believe I'm here to abuse her, then you're manipulating her vulnerability for your own gain. That's a horrible thing to do to someone you supposedly care about. Why do you need to keep engaging in conversation with me? I've suggested--twice now--that we end this, and twice you've returned to attack me and manipulate other readers. Maybe I should give other people more credit for seeing you for who you are, and not be so concerned about the content of your distorted messages. > Besides..... > > Twittering One being in a state of shell-shock means Twittering One is > the primary target of Marcia and the other vampires/soul stalkers who > haunt support forums for no other reason then to emotionally abuse and > morally harass shellshocked support seekers. People like Marcia get sadistc glee out of beating the emotional crap out of the downtrodden. They make believe the meaning of downtrodden is something other then one who has been stepped on one too many times. The killer is their squealing like stuck pigs upon their getting smashed flat as a pancake for choosing to step into heavy traffic. > People like Marcia get sadistc glee out of beating the emotional crap > out of the downtrodden. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The killer is their squealing like stuck pigs upon their getting > smashed flat as a pancake for choosing to step into heavy traffic. Okay, I see how your little game is played now, and I want nothing to do with it. Say whatever you want; you won't hurt me, but you may hurt other people. Let that be on your conscience. I'm done. > > People like Marcia get sadistc glee out of beating the emotional crap > > out of the downtrodden. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > do with it. Say whatever you want; you won't hurt me, but you may hurt > other people. Let that be on your conscience. I'm done. (To amuse after a hard day of work.) I wonder ... Did you ever {{{suddenly}}} get the *feeling* that you were on the recieving end of a whole busload of protest marchers? (This is a comment on *style* only. ... Nothing is implied or intended concerning 'content' or intent. ) Hint to SMFPF :-> ( .. pretty please ) The continuation of *this* part of this ' thread ' in alt.support.attn-deficit might enlighten and amuse. See http://tinyurl.com/gm2ru Cordially to "everyone", RL > Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? > If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the > future. Who are you talking to, Marcia? Nancy Unique, like everyone else > > Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? > > If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Sorry, Nancy... I was talking to Linda. I started snipping the parts of her post (to me) I thought were outrageous and ended up with nothing to attribute. I apologize for the confusion. marcia >>>Is it always this difficult to have a rational conversation with you? >>>If so, I'll save us both the hassle by ignoring your posts in the >>>future. >> >>Who are you talking to, Marcia? > Sorry, Nancy... I was talking to Linda. I started snipping the parts of > her post (to me) I thought were outrageous and ended up with nothing to > attribute. I apologize for the confusion. Ah, well, that explains it. Just wanted to check because it's (sometimes, often, frequently, always) hard to tell just who can't have a rational conversation with whom in ASAD. [Removed alt.astronomy, rec.running, misc.writing from x-posts.] Nancy Unique, like everyone else > >>Who are you talking to, Marcia? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else So far, I haven't run into many I couldn't talk to civilly on some level, even if we disagreed on major issues, but I wrote what seemed (to me) a reasonable response to a message she posted and got a very hostile and confusing answer in return. I now see she thinks I'm someone named Marcie, who I take it is an enemy of hers, so I guess I'm going to pay for Marcie's perceived indiscretions, in addition to my own. I guess I'll just ignore her. What else can I do? <shrug> marcia <snipped> > So far, I haven't run into many I couldn't talk to civilly on some > level, even if we disagreed on major issues, but I wrote what seemed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I guess I'll just ignore her. What else can I do? <shrug> Hey, if you communicate civilly with Nancy and me, that's enough to get you on "The List." Kitten > <snipped> > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Kitten Does being on "the list" come with any fringe benefits? Like free goat cheese, or periodic reality checks? ;) <snipped> > Does being on "the list" come with any fringe benefits? Like free goat > cheese, If you want to come help my family and friends as a taste tester any time I try a new recipe or new type of cheese. > or periodic reality checks? ;) LOL... always. Kitten marcia wrote the following on 6/13/2006 5:08 PM: >>> I guess I'll just ignore her. What else can I do? <shrug> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Does being on "the list" come with any fringe benefits? Like free goat > cheese, or periodic reality checks? ;) My observation is that the people on "The List" are usually the posters I respect most. Karen R. > marcia wrote the following on 6/13/2006 5:08 PM: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Karen R. Good company to be in, then. So far, I only know a few of the people who are on "the list," but I would have to agree. BTW, is there a secret handshake? marcia <snipped> > Good company to be in, then. So far, I only know a few of the people > who are on "the list," but I would have to agree. BTW, is there a > secret handshake? No, but folks new to the list have to bring the chocolate. Good chocolate. 68+% cacao. Kitten > <snipped> > > Good company to be in, then. So far, I only know a few of the people [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kitten Uh-oh... I wonder if you can even *buy* that in Ohio... maybe I could have some smuggled in. If it helps, I *can* wrangle cats. My husband and I once took six angry males to be neutered on the same day... in a single, large dog carrier... I have the scars to prove it. ;) >> <snipped> >>> Good company to be in, then. So far, I only know a few of the people [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > males to be neutered on the same day... in a single, large dog > carrier... I have the scars to prove it. ;) You sound as though you may eventually be an excellent candidate for the ASAD Management Team (TINAMT). We're always looking for experienced cat herders! While we usually require extensive experience posting on ASAD, plus the completion of an ASAD Management Internship (TINAMI) before considering a candidate for a place on the Team (TINT), we are willing to substitute your rather impressive cat herding experience for several months of the posting and internship requirements. When a position becomes available, would you like to be considered? Of course, at that time, it will be necessary for us to do a more complete review of your qualifications. Very truly yours, Human Resources, ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote the following on 6/13/2006 5:47 PM: > <snipped> >> Good company to be in, then. So far, I only know a few of the people [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, but folks new to the list have to bring the chocolate. Good > chocolate. 68+% cacao. I've got to get back on The List. American or European chocolate? I buy it in bulk... Karen R. > Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote the following on 6/13/2006 5:47 PM: > > <snipped> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've got to get back on The List. American or European chocolate? I buy > it in bulk... Belgian or Brazilian. Kitten Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote the following on 6/13/2006 9:43 PM: >> Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote the following on 6/13/2006 5:47 PM: >>> No, but folks new to the list have to bring the chocolate. Good >>> chocolate. 68+% cacao. >> I've got to get back on The List. American or European chocolate? I buy >> it in bulk... > > Belgian or Brazilian. I've got Callebaut. I'll be there. Karen R. > <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hey, if you communicate civilly with Nancy and me, that's enough to get > you on "The List." What list?!! There's a "List of People who Can Communicate Civilly with Nancy and Kitten"? Who put this list together, and when did they do it? Why wasn't I told? Does the ASAD Managment Team (TINAMT) know about this? Must be a pretty long list, especially if it dates from the time we both started posting in ASAD. :-) Nancy Unique, like everyone else <snipped> > What list?!! There's a "List of People who Can Communicate Civilly with > Nancy and Kitten"? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Must be a pretty long list, especially if it dates from the time we both > started posting in ASAD. :-) We have a management team? A team of folks crazy enough to try to herd cats? Oh, my!! Noone told me!! Uhm, who's on the management team? Should I do any backtracking, make sure I haven't offended anyone on the team? Uht-oh! I'm in trouble, aren't I? Kitten > <snipped> >> What list?!! There's a "List of People who Can Communicate Civilly with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > We have a management team? A team of folks crazy enough to try to herd > cats? Oh, my!! Noone told me!! <sigh> Kitten, Kitten, Kitten, Perhaps you weren't paying attention. Or perhaps you've forgotten, which makes the ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) a bit concerned, and perhaps feel more than a bit unappreciated. :-( The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) are the (wonderful) folks who issued you your official membership card and secret decoder ring years ago. We are the (terrific) folks who send you the periodic ASAD newsletter--you do read it, don't you? > Uhm, who's on the management team? Should I do any backtracking, make > sure I haven't offended anyone on the team? The ASAD Management Team( TINAMT) is quite used to posters forgetting about us, or who we are. But we're always here, trying to manage, as best we can, but it's a very, very, very, very challenging job. > Uht-oh! I'm in trouble, aren't I? Not yet. But unless you send goat cheese and chocolate to the ASAD Management Team Office (TINAMTO), you soon may be. Cordially yours, The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) > The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) are the (wonderful) folks who issued > you your official membership card and secret decoder ring years ago. Too bad they were invisible and we've all lost ours. >> The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) are the (wonderful) folks who issued >> you your official membership card and secret decoder ring years ago. > > Too bad they were invisible and we've all lost ours. The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) is well aware that most of those posters who were issued them have lost them. You may have noticed that we haven't sent out any coded messages in many months. The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) is still reviewing the issue of whether we should buy more and reissue them to members who have misplaced or lost them, viewing the expense as a cost of doing business in ASAD. Or we may just decide to forget the whole thing. <sigh> Sincerely, Your ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) ... but I've reading In Code. > >> The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) are the (wonderful) folks who issued > >> you your official membership card and secret decoder ring years ago. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Sincerely, > Your ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) > ... but I've reading In Code. :-) Now *that's* the girl I know. Welcome back. Kitten > > <snipped> > >> What list?!! There's a "List of People who Can Communicate Civilly with [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Perhaps you weren't paying attention. Well, I was a bit distracted... > Or perhaps you've forgotten, which makes the ASAD Management Team > (TINAMT) a bit concerned, and perhaps feel more than a bit > unappreciated. :-( Oh, I appreciate having *any* management team around, so that there's less for *me* to manage. > The ASAD Management Team (TINAMT) are the (wonderful) folks who issued > you your official membership card and secret decoder ring years ago. We > are the (terrific) folks who send you the periodic ASAD newsletter--you > do read it, don't you? uhm, uhm, uhm... well... <shuffles through files on the computer> > > Uhm, who's on the management team? Should I do any backtracking, make > > sure I haven't offended anyone on the team? > > The ASAD Management Team( TINAMT) is quite used to posters forgetting > about us, or who we are. But we're always here, trying to manage, as > best we can, but it's a very, very, very, very challenging job. Like herding cats? Meow. > > Uht-oh! I'm in trouble, aren't I? > > Not yet. But unless you send goat cheese and chocolate to the ASAD > Management Team Office (TINAMTO), you soon may be. Could you please email me the official address? Just in case I've misplaced the last [several] newsletter? Thanks ever so much. Kitten > > > <snipped> > Could you please email me the official address? Just in case I've > misplaced the last [several] newsletter? How about arranginginginginging for a website server onboard NASA's next deep space science mission? > > > > <snipped> > > > Could you please email me the official address? Just in case I've > > misplaced the last [several] newsletter? > How about arranginginginginging for a website server onboard NASA's > next deep space science mission? You want me to snailmail the chocolate and the cheese to NASA's deep space science mission? Kitten > > > > > <snipped> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You want me to snailmail the chocolate and the cheese to NASA's deep > space science mission? There has got to be an easier way. Have you tried Googoolies? A service; kind'a like FTD ... An URL, kind'a like http://gww. ... Cordially, RL > > > > > > <snipped> > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > A service; kind'a like FTD ... > An URL, kind'a like http://gww. ... I don't think they have the cheese *I* make on there. AAMOF, I know they don't. 'Cause I don't sell it online. Kitten > <snipped> > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hey, if you communicate civilly with Nancy and me, that's enough to get > you on "The List." Let's see. Mythomaniac Marcia posted the fabrication Marcia made up out of whole cloth that Marcie was an *enemy* of mine. Mythomaniac Caitriona followed up aforementioned fabrication with another fabrication made up out of whole cloth---that Caitriona is on a list---implied to be an enemy list. And, both mythomaniacs are so delusional they imagine rational people want to engage in discourse with them! > > When you say: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > negative experiences with MHP's me---and/or accusing me of having a > bias. Sorry, I don't know the person or situation you're referring to. > > > When you say: > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Sorry, I don't know the person or situation you're referring to. I see. You are saying you aren't Marcie. Ok, then *what* are you? Hey, SMFPF! 'Ever read, "Hope For The Flowers"? (by Trina Paulus) > > > > > "... the recycling machine > > > > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 267 lines] > Needless to say---I never laugh so much as I do while reading books > like "All's quiet on the western front" . > Hey, SMFPF! 'Ever read, "Hope For The Flowers"? (by Trina Paulus) No? Should I? I think for myself. However, readers often advise me that some of my cognitions were previously set forth by someone other then me. I like it when people advise me of that fact. Because, everyone writes better than I.... Therefore, I can post recognized authors more concise, succinct, articulate words---in place of my less concise, succinct, articulate words to comminicate my message. I have to go to the library to pick up a copy of *The Da Vinci Code", shall I pick up "Hope for the Flowers", too? nightbat wrote Raving Loony wrote: >>"... the recycling machine >>Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ~ Raving nightbat No, no, not you too Officer Raving Loony, say it isn't so, oh the humanity! Many of my Officers falling to hard times because of their devotion to duty, Seans where are you! the Cosmic Federation unlimited credit card will be issued as soon as they get here, Bones can you hear me, the nightbat calling? priority one, the nightbat Get some surgical gloves for the Dumpster. Collecting cans is respectable, honest work ~ If dirty and backbreaking. I think I need a tetnas shot, too. One cut or scrape and you life may be in danger. But buys a cup of coffee, something most shelters Do not serve. Imagine this ~ I have ADHD. I have no ADHD medication. I have no coffee. I have no home. Instead, they forcefully [by court order] stuff Bipolar and Antipsychotic meds into me. What does that do the AD[Hi!]D Brain ~ ? What does that do the AD[Hi!] Soul ~ ? > > "... the recycling machine > > Make a really funny crunching noise [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~ Raving > ... collecting & recycling cans & bottles > Avec our new bud Steve ~ !" > ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG Good for you! It beats working for temporary employment agencies, since their take is 35-65% of YOUR wages. nightbat wrote > ... collecting & recycling cans & bottles > Avec our new bud Steve ~ !" > ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG nightbat Stop it Officer Twitty, you're a profound Earth Science Team Officer, not an Earth street can and bottle collector, oh the humanity! I won't have my Officers begging or running around looking for handouts, come to Indy Base One immediately, that's an order. waste not, wont not, the nightbat > nightbat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Stop it Officer Twitty, you're a profound Earth Science Team > Officer, not an Earth street can and bottle collector, oh the humanity! 'These are times which try men's souls.' An Intolerance to Virginia's point of view ---has resulted in Virginia being amongst the many incredibly bright american's whose ability to earn a living has been severely restricted by the actions of the unethical members of the MH profession and courts they have corrupted. (See Margaret Hagen's *Whores of the Court: The Fraud of Psychiatric Testimony and the Rape of American Justice.") Fortunately, where there's a will, there is a way. Virigina found a way to earn $$$ to sustain herself in spite of the all out effort engaged in by unethical MHP's to preclude her from ever being able to do so. Proverbs 9 Invitations of Wisdom and of Folly 1 Wisdom has built her house; she has hewn out its seven pillars. 2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine; she has also set her table. 3 She has sent out her maids, and she calls from the highest point of the city. 4 "Let all who are simple come in here!" she says to those who lack judgment. 5 "Come, eat my food and drink the wine I have mixed. 6 Leave your simple ways and you will live; walk in the way of understanding. 7 "Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. 8 Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. 9 Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning. 10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. 11 For through me your days will be many, and years will be added to your life. 12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer." 13 The woman Folly is loud; she is undisciplined and without knowledge. 14 She sits at the door of her house, on a seat at the highest point of the city, 15 calling out to those who pass by, who go straight on their way. 16 "Let all who are simple come in here!" she says to those who lack judgment. 17 "Stolen water is sweet; food eaten in secret is delicious!" 18 But little do they know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of the grave.---from Proverbs hear and give ear to all the repentances which the Pistis Sophia said. She continued again and spoke the third repentance, saying : 1. 'O Light of the powers, give heed and save me. 2. May those that want to take away my light from me fail and he in darkness. Let them return to the Chaos, and may those who want to take away my power be put to shame. 3. May those that persecute me and say : we have become lords over her, return quickly to the darkness. 4. May all those who seek after the light rejoice and flourish and may they who want thy mystery say at all times : let the mystery be raised up. 5. Do thou now at this time save me, O Light, for I am lacking in my light, which has been taken away. And I need my power which has been taken from me. Thou, O Light, thou art my Saviour, and thou art my rescuer, O Light. Save me quickly out of this Chaos'." . CHAPTER 38. It happened, however, when Jesus finished saying these words to his disciples, saying: "This is the third repentance which the Pistis Sophia said", he said to them : "Let him in whom the Spirit of perception has arisen, come forward and speak with understanding of the repentance which the Pistis Sophia said". It happened now, before Jesus had finished speaking, Martha came forward, she prostrated herself at his feet, she kissed them. She cried out, she wept aloud in humility, saying: "My Lord, have mercy on me, and be compassionate towards me, and allow me to say the interpretation of the repentance which the Pistis Sophia said". And Jesus gave Martha his hand , he said to her : "Blessed is every man who humbles himself, for to him will mercy be given . Now at this time, Martha, thou art blessed. Never- ' give now the interpretation of the thought of the repentance of the Pistis Sophia". Martha, however, answered and said to Jesus in the midst of the disciples : "Concerning the repentance which the Pistis Sophia said, O my Lord Jesus, thy light-power which was in David once prophesied in the 69th psalm, saying : 1. O Lord God, give heed to my help. 2. Let those that seek after my soul be put to shame and disgraced. 3. May those that say to me : excellent, excellent, be turned back immediately and put to shame. 4. May all those that seek after thee be glad and rejoice over thee; and may those that love thy salvation say at all times : let God be exalted. 5. But I am poor and I am needy. O Lord, help me ; thou art my help and my defense. O Lord, do not delay.' This now is the interpretation of the third repentance which the Pistis Sophia said, singing praises to the height.".--from the Pistas Sophia __________________ 3. Faith receives and Love gives. No one can receive without faith, and no one can give without Love. We develop faith so that we can receive, but we develop Love so that we can give what we have received through faith. If we do not develop Love so that we can give, the gifts we receive through our faith have no value. > > nightbat wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > out effort engaged in by unethical MHP's to preclude her from ever > being able to do so. "Not. Au contraire. Folly is not the least bit loud." ~ Twittering > Proverbs 9 > Invitations of Wisdom and of Folly [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > > out effort engaged in by unethical MHP's to preclude her from ever > > being able to do so. Holy Folly lost her voice... while she had/has one of the most distinctive twittering one's ... lost at far too young age. As in the "Dinesy little mermaid movie"-the mermaid wants to be human and goes to the sea witch and trades her voice for legs ... while our T1 trades her voice for Cans... Twittering One schreef: > "Not. Au contraire. > Folly is not the least bit loud." [quoted text clipped - 151 lines] > > > out effort engaged in by unethical MHP's to preclude her from ever > > > being able to do so. An elegant and perceptive reading ... But frankly, I need my AD[Hi!]H meds to fully appreciate. Many thanks. > Holy Folly lost her voice... while she had/has one of the most > distinctive twittering one's ... lost at far too young age. As in the [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > > > > out effort engaged in by unethical MHP's to preclude her from ever > > > > being able to do so. > nightbat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > waste not, wont not, > the nightbat Dont Worry Capitain... I am sure that Twitty is on secret Mission ... I think so secret that only the high priest Steve and Twitty, who have long worked undercover known thetruth... VR Salvage Mission S Secret... My sub space communication transponder is picking up signals... A normal message would travel through sub-space... While we are jumping here into warp through a new kind of warphole upper-space... There are no enemy ships in the system currently and War'ol-capable civilizations face starving or freezing to death -- and because their subspace communications don't work, they can't even alert others to their plight. The locale Federation, can reach the brink of war as they blame one another for the growing galactic catastrophe... Is Twitty on Secret Mission to save Civilisation from their own? Remains the Question... How ~ ? > nightbat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > waste not, wont not, > the nightbat nightbat wrote > How ~ ? nightbat Travelers Aid Office 42nd and Broadway cause you're homeless and ask for a one way ticket home to Indy Base One. Captain's orders I'll send you my address private E-mail just write me at nightbat@home.ffni.com it's easy, the nightbat >>nightbat wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> waste not, wont not, >> the nightbat You're The Best, along with AA, bat. > nightbat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >> waste not, wont not, > >> the nightbat >You're The Best, along with AA, bat. Fr00tbat is a k00k, Twattering One! >> nightbat wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> waste not, wont not, >> >> the nightbat > You're The Best, along with AA, bat. Virginia, I don't know who nightbat and the rest are, and I don't know how well you know them. I just know I've broken several 'net rules about meeting folks, etc. I know why the rules are there. Be careful. Kitten nightbat wrote >>You're The Best, along with AA, bat. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Kitten nightbat I beg your pardon Ms. Kitten, she long knows I love Officer Twitty and I am the World and now Darla Sean cosmic race famous the nightbat at your service. Humble to a fault, faithful, dedicated, serious, helpful, polite, an real Southern raised Gentlemen. Bat wild science Maverick, deep theoretical thinker, Captain General of the Earth Sean Federation United Forces, Christian, coffee boy stowfile protector, Officer Bee's mystic mate, animal lover, clueless Saul in the desert helper, profound Team Officer original one of a kind Glow Shirt and Cap provider, Officer Uncle Al's only true friend, multi science newsgroups long distinguished contributor, officer oc's riding partner, correcting officer Zinni fan, missing Officer Ray searcher, Officer Bohne's Captain's ship mate, Officer Bert's and wife's long time friend and black hole " Black Comet " solution provider. Ok breathless, Oh the humanity, what else do I have to say to make you purr? at your service, the nightbat <snipped> > nightbat > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > black hole " Black Comet " solution provider. Ok breathless, Oh the > humanity, what else do I have to say to make you purr? LOL... come bottle-feed my rescued lambs and goat-kids. There are those who would find fault in my not sending $$$ to T1. However, I'm sure she understands that with 100 or so animals plus two children to feed and provide medical care for, that becomes a bit difficult. Any time she wishes someone to talk with, I will do my best. And if she needs a country vacation, she is welcome. She has long been an online friend. But money, that is tight. <shrug> Kitten A visit with kitten sounds a whole lot better than taking up with a batty nutcase in Indiana. But kitten, where would V go when the visit is over? > <snipped> > > nightbat [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Kitten > A visit with kitten sounds a whole lot better than taking up with a > batty nutcase in Indiana. But kitten, where would V go when the visit > is over? Well, now, that would depend on V and where, at that point, she's decided she needs to go. Right? I just don't know if she wants to take a sabatical on a working farm. It's relaxing. It's refreshing. And it can be a lot of hard work, with times of heartbreak. An example: Last week, we lost Pepper, a little doeling I'd been working a month to save. She was just getting better, just getting to where she could put her weight on the leg that had been broken when we were out of town. She'd come through Floppy Kid Syndrome and a couple of other things as well. Because she was doing so much better, we had started putting her outside with the others during the day. Then last Friday, she ate something she shouldn't have. In 30 minutes, she went from a much-improved state of health to dead in my arms as Chewy and I were trying to save her. I won't lie to V and tell her that it's idyllic, as so many seem to think farm life would be. It's *different* than what she's known. It's awe-inspiring. I want no other way of life. But it's damn hard at times. The offer stands open, but it's up to V to decide. She knows how to contact me. Kitten Where do you live? You know V would be constantly itching for her daily dexedrine fix, and you'd have to decide if you could live with her abusive e-mail behavior going on in your home, and... there's still the matter of her possessions in the Yonkers warehouse. > > A visit with kitten sounds a whole lot better than taking up with a > > batty nutcase in Indiana. But kitten, where would V go when the visit [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Kitten |
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