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Medical Forum / General / General / June 2006Swelling while on a cruise
When I went on a recent cruise my feet/ankles swelled up quite a bit. I drank plenty of water, walked a lot and elevated my feet often but it didn't seem to help. By the end of the week it almost hurt to walk. What can I do to prevent this from happening again on my next cruise? Thanks! Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com When I went on a recent cruise my feet/ankles swelled up quite a bit. I drank plenty of water, walked a lot and elevated my feet often but it didn't seem to help. By the end of the week it almost hurt to walk. What can I do to prevent this from happening again on my next cruise? Thanks! Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com It's my guess that you have EDEMA. It's also called: orthostatic hypotension postural hypotension I am not a doctor but have done some research on edema and found out there are several causes for it so you should ask your doctor to figure out the cause of your case of edema. I also have edema and in my case, I believe that it is caused by kidney problems. You may want to do a google search on the terms mentioned above. jason > When I went on a recent cruise my feet/ankles swelled up quite a bit. > I drank plenty of water, walked a lot and elevated my feet often but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > orthostatic hypotension > postural hypotension No, Jason...this is what I'm talking about. EDEMA is in no way related to orthostatic or postural hypotension. HMc "Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:jason-0306061457480001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <e5rgcs$v7$1@inews.gazeta.pl>, > brina4short@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (cruiser) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > orthostatic hypotension > postural hypotension No, Jason...this is what I'm talking about. EDEMA is in no way related to orthostatic or postural hypotension. HMc Howard, Thanks for your post. Perhaps you could explain the differences so the poster would be able to figure out the exact cause of the swelled feet/ankles. Jason > > In article <e5rgcs$v7$1@inews.gazeta.pl>, > > brina4short@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (cruiser) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > feet/ankles. > Jason It could be anything, Jason. Not near enough information for a doctor (let alone a usenet hobbyist) to even make a responsible guess as to the cause of feet and ankle swelling in this particluar person. Age of patient, male/female, congestive heart failure, cardiac history, salt intake, menstrual cycle, venous insufficiency, surgical history, pitting vs non-pitting edema, claudication symptoms, parasite exposure - jeez, it's a long list. The OP is just plain NOT going to "figure out the exact cause of the swelled feet/ankles" over the internet. Let me carp on this again--just because someone asks a question on usenet does not mandate an answer, and to just "take a stab at it" with a totally inadequate history and physical and an inadequate fund of knowledge is misleading and potentially dangerous. The ability to use Google is not the equivalent of medical training. I grant you that medicine is not as difficult as previous generations of physicians have tried to make it appear, but I am certain that it is more complicated than you apparently think it is. As a case in point, I refer to your statement that EDEMA is also called orthostatic or postural hypotension. I'm still wiping coffee off my computer monitor... The OP is just not going to get his/her question answered accurately here on Usenet, even if Sir William Osler himself were to log on. In the meantime, here's some advice from Woodrow Wilson: "Best to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt".... HMc "Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:jason-0406060952580001@66-52-22-95.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <44824726$0$74474$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>, "Howard McCollister" > <nospam@nospam.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > feet/ankles. > Jason It could be anything, Jason. Not near enough information for a doctor (let alone a usenet hobbyist) to even make a responsible guess as to the cause of feet and ankle swelling in this particluar person. Age of patient, male/female, congestive heart failure, cardiac history, salt intake, menstrual cycle, venous insufficiency, surgical history, pitting vs non-pitting edema, claudication symptoms, parasite exposure - jeez, it's a long list. The OP is just plain NOT going to "figure out the exact cause of the swelled feet/ankles" over the internet. Let me carp on this again--just because someone asks a question on usenet does not mandate an answer, and to just "take a stab at it" with a totally inadequate history and physical and an inadequate fund of knowledge is misleading and potentially dangerous. The ability to use Google is not the equivalent of medical training. I grant you that medicine is not as difficult as previous generations of physicians have tried to make it appear, but I am certain that it is more complicated than you apparently think it is. As a case in point, I refer to your statement that EDEMA is also called orthostatic or postural hypotension. I'm still wiping coffee off my computer monitor... The OP is just not going to get his/her question answered accurately here on Usenet, even if Sir William Osler himself were to log on. In the meantime, here's some advice from Woodrow Wilson: "Best to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt".... HMc HMc, I noticed that you clipped the part of my post where I suggested that the poster visit their doctor to figure out the cause of the edema. Other posters use that same trick to make their points--I was shocked when I noted that you done the same thing. I did refer the poster to a doctor. A doctor recently told me that I should not waste my time finding out about my medical problems on the internet but instead depend upon him to answer my questions. Would you agree with that doctor? I see nothing wrong with people finding out as much information as possible about their medical problems on the internet and from books. Jason >> In article <44824726$0$74474$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>, "Howard >> McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > and from books. > Jason My, my...here we go again. Let me repeat what I have said in the past many times in different medical ng's. There is nothing wrong with doing research on the Internet and/or using library books, etc. However, one has to be very careful of what he is reading on the Internet and be intelligent enough to distinguish what is credible and what is non credible, and also not to make snap judgments based on insufficient information, or not to misinterpret something they read and think that is something else, etc, etc. The Internet can be an invaluable tool, but it can also be a double edged sword, if not used properly. Sorry Jason, but Howard is basically right about this, like I have said before. Pete Jason Johnson wrote: > In article <448320c9$0$74441$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>, "Howard > McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > and from books. > Jason My, my...here we go again. Let me repeat what I have said in the past many times in different medical ng's. There is nothing wrong with doing research on the Internet and/or using library books, etc. However, one has to be very careful of what he is reading on the Internet and be intelligent enough to distinguish what is credible and what is non credible, and also not to make snap judgments based on insufficient information, or not to misinterpret something they read and think that is something else, etc, etc. The Internet can be an invaluable tool, but it can also be a double edged sword, if not used properly. Sorry Jason, but Howard is basically right about this, like I have said before. Pete Pete, Yes, I agree that that the Internet can be an invaluable tool, but it can also be a double edge sword. Howard was correct about many of the things that he stated in his post. He failed to mention in his post that I referred the poster to their doctor. Jason > HMc, > I noticed that you clipped the part of my post where I suggested that the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > problems on the internet and from books. > Jason Gimme a break, your advice to see a doctor in no way excuses your stupid (and very wrong) answer. It is NOT alright for you to give stupid advice, render a stupid opinion, and then try to cover up any potential errors by saying "oh, and by the way...see your doctor". No, I think patients should seek as much information about their disease as possible from qualified and accurate sources, including some areas of the internet. The point I'm trying make is that YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE SOURCES.......despite your desperate efforts. Educated patients are valuable, and sadly rare. I applaud your efforts to learn about your disease, but educating yourself about your own disease is different that trying to educate other usenet poster about theirs. The fact that you don't see the difference makes me suspect that you have a screw loose, Jason. The ENTIRE reason I post here at all is because there is so much bad advice, LIKE YOU, on the internet. HMc :? I'm sorry if I started a problem with my post. I thought I had a simple question and was hoping to get input, that's it. If I thought it was something serious I would consult my doctor before I consulted a forum online. My swelling was an isolated incident that only happened a couple of days into my cruise and went away when I returned home. I figured it was something like salt intake, climate, etc and just wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions as to how I could avoid this problem on my next cruise. Thank you anyway Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com > :? I'm sorry if I started a problem with my post. I thought I had a > simple question and was hoping to get input, that's it. If I thought [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com Cruiser, you didn't start a problem. What you witnessed is a long-standing interaction between two posters over giving medical advice, and would (does) occur elsewhere, if not here. You're not responsible for it, so don't take that on yourself. I think the valuable information you can glean from this thread is that there's simply no way for anyone on the internet, including a doctor, to tell you why your ankles swelled on the cruise. Next time you see your own doctor, discuss it with him/her because he/she knows your medical history and would be in the best position to give you some ideas about what might have caused it, and what you might possibly do to avoid it in the future (if anything). It was a good question, just not one anyone here can answer. cruiser wrote: > :? I'm sorry if I started a problem with my post. I thought I had a > simple question and was hoping to get input, that's it. If I thought [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com Cruiser, you didn't start a problem. What you witnessed is a long-standing interaction between two posters over giving medical advice, and would (does) occur elsewhere, if not here. You're not responsible for it, so don't take that on yourself. I think the valuable information you can glean from this thread is that there's simply no way for anyone on the internet, including a doctor, to tell you why your ankles swelled on the cruise. Next time you see your own doctor, discuss it with him/her because he/she knows your medical history and would be in the best position to give you some ideas about what might have caused it, and what you might possibly do to avoid it in the future (if anything). It was a good question, just not one anyone here can answer. Marcia, Excellent post. You explained the "interaction" very well--much better than I could have done. Keep up the great work. Jason > Cruiser, you didn't start a problem. What you witnessed is a > long-standing interaction between two posters over giving medical [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >than I could have done. Keep up the great work. >Jason Jason, imagine that you are in an unfamiliar city, and can't find an address you urgently need to get to. You ask someone on the street for advice. Which result would you prefer: (1) The person gives you detailed instructions that turn out to be so wrong that you end up much farther away from your destination than when you started. (2) The person says "I'm sorry, I don't know where that is. You'll have to find a map or someone who does know." In article <jason-0506061031020001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason Johnson <jason@nospam.com> wrote: >In article <1149525584.092885.301820@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, >"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >than I could have done. Keep up the great work. >Jason Jason, imagine that you are in an unfamiliar city, and can't find an address you urgently need to get to. You ask someone on the street for advice. Which result would you prefer: (1) The person gives you detailed instructions that turn out to be so wrong that you end up much farther away from your destination than when you started. (2) The person says "I'm sorry, I don't know where that is. You'll have to find a map or someone who does know." I would choose number 2--that's why I told the poster to go to their doctor to find out the cause of the edema. > Jason, imagine that you are in an unfamiliar city, and can't find an > address you urgently need to get to. You ask someone on the street [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I would choose number 2--that's why I told the poster to go to their >doctor to find out the cause of the edema. No, what you did was more like (1) followed by "or you could look at a map." Bad advice is *worse* than no advice. In article <jason-0506061518330001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason Johnson <jason@nospam.com> wrote: >In article <2006Jun5.173704.22948@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, >bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I would choose number 2--that's why I told the poster to go to their >doctor to find out the cause of the edema. No, what you did was more like (1) followed by "or you could look at a map." Bad advice is *worse* than no advice. I answered your question so please answer my question. In the majority of your newsgroup posts, do you try to help people or do you criticize posters? I feel sorry for people that visit newsgroup just to criticize posters. I have lots of respect for the members of newsgroups that try to help people even if they sometimes make mistakes. Jason >In the majority of > your newsgroup posts, do you try to help people or do you criticize > posters? Jason, It seems important to rehash the point that, though some people may be routinely critical of you, it is solely to help those seeking advice from suffering from the bad and misleading advice you may give them. Therefore, this poster is trying to help people by criticizing your posts. Your case is much more serious than bad street directions... you're putting a person's health at risk. Please be careful, even though you are essentially trying to help you could very easily hurt someone by leading them astray. > I answered your question so please answer my question. In the majority of > your newsgroup posts, do you try to help people or do you criticize [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people even if they sometimes make mistakes. > Jason > In article <jason-0506061518330001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > Jason Johnson <jason@nospam.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >your newsgroup posts, do you try to help people or do you criticize >posters? I try to help people, just as I'm trying to help you understand why so many knowledgable people object to your efforts to do so. Bad advice, even if motivated by a sincere desire to help someone, is *worse* than no advice. >I feel sorry for people that visit newsgroup just to criticize posters. I'm trying to explain things to you, to help you and advise you. This is not criticism. >I have lots of respect for the members of newsgroups that try to help >people even if they sometimes make mistakes. If you keep track of who posts what, you should have plenty of respect for the people who you say are criticizing you, and take their good advice. In article <jason-0506062056280001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason Johnson <jason@nospam.com> wrote: >In article <2006Jun5.210604.28073@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, >bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >your newsgroup posts, do you try to help people or do you criticize >posters? I try to help people, just as I'm trying to help you understand why so many knowledgable people object to your efforts to do so. Bad advice, even if motivated by a sincere desire to help someone, is *worse* than no advice. >I feel sorry for people that visit newsgroup just to criticize posters. I'm trying to explain things to you, to help you and advise you. This is not criticism. >I have lots of respect for the members of newsgroups that try to help >people even if they sometimes make mistakes. If you keep track of who posts what, you should have plenty of respect for the people who you say are criticizing you, and take their good advice. If you honestly believe that I am the only person that makes mistakes, i advise you to do a google search on these terms: malpractice medical malpractice Over the years, I have read newspaper stories related to doctors that have done some really terrible things such as cutting off the wrong limbs and prescribing the wrong sorts of medications that had a similar name. One of my co-workers developed minor chest pains and the boss had his wife pick him up and take him directly to see his doctor. The doctor did a quick check (about 10 minutes or less as per his wife) and told him that it was heartburn. About one week later, my friend had a massive heart attack and died before the ambulance arrived. His wife filed a malpractice lawsuit but is not allowed to tell us how much money that she received from the doctor's malpractice insurance company. Doctors make serious mistakes that cause people to die or to be disabled on a regular basis--that's why the malpractice insurance rates keep going higher and higher and higher. In every large city, there are lawyers that specialize in filing malpractice lawsuits against doctors that cause their patients to die or to become disabled. One of the local surgeons had so many malpractice lawsuits that he now works in the local prison since it means he no longer has to have malpractice insurance. If you want to criticize people, criticize doctors that cause their patients to die or to become disabled. Jason > If you honestly believe that I am the only person that makes mistakes, i > advise you to do a google search on these terms: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > you want to criticize people, criticize doctors that cause their patients > to die or to become disabled. How does that fact that doctors make mistakes make it OK for you to post bad information and advice here on this newsgroup? HMc > In article > <jason-0506062056280001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > disabled. > Jason Jason...I have tried to help you in the BPH group, and I told you in this ng that your intentions were good (but misplaced) , but now I clearly see that you have a problem. I don't know what else to say right now other than to say you should try to cut back on some of your medical advice, and try to just present your personal experiences, but not try to diagnose people, or give them any medical advice. Naturally it is okay to say "I recommend you see a doctor" (which you have done), because that is harmless in itself. But to go beyond that (like you have done in the past), is not a good thing to do, and could be harmful. I still think your heart is in the right place, but I think you need to re-evaluate what everyone is trying to tell you. I am not trying to criticize you or be a "net cop" as you call it. I am trying to help. Take care :-) ...Pete Jason Johnson wrote: > In article <2006Jun6.081022.17303@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, > bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote: [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > disabled. > Jason Jason...I have tried to help you in the BPH group, and I told you in this ng that your intentions were good (but misplaced) , but now I clearly see that you have a problem. I don't know what else to say right now other than to say you should try to cut back on some of your medical advice, and try to just present your personal experiences, but not try to diagnose people, or give them any medical advice. Naturally it is okay to say "I recommend you see a doctor" (which you have done), because that is harmless in itself. But to go beyond that (like you have done in the past), is not a good thing to do, and could be harmful. I still think your heart is in the right place, but I think you need to re-evaluate what everyone is trying to tell you. I am not trying to criticize you or be a "net cop" as you call it. I am trying to help. Take care :-) ...Pete Pete, Thanks for your post. Your advice makes sense. I have cut back on my posts related to providing advice. I don't believe that you are a net cop. I only call people net cops when I notice that they NEVER use their medical knowledge to provide advice and help but instead use their medical knowledge to attack people that do provide advice and help. I have noticed that you do use your medical knowledge to provide advice and help so therefore I don't consider you a net cop. Keep up the great work. I only wish that you and everyone else would also remind other people that provide bad advice or information to stop it. I saw a post several days ago where someone stated that there was no disorder that was called "Iron-Deficiency Anemia" and none of posters reminded him that there was such a disorder. I see posts in medical related newsgroups on a regular basis that have incorrect information. I hope that you also start reminding those people to stop posting incorrect information in their posts. Jason Jason > :? I'm sorry if I started a problem with my post. I thought I had a > simple question and was hoping to get input, that's it. If I thought > it was something serious I would consult my doctor before I consulted > a forum online. We are one big family here all taking a cruise together. LOL. > My swelling was an isolated incident that only happened a couple of > days into my cruise and went away when I returned home. As Marcia stated you provide no medical history or even age. If it was an isolated incident then how did you know about elevation, salt, and drinking plenty of water? Was this one ankle or both? Was it general edema or only lower extremity? Are you taking blood pessure medication or any medication at all? Any trauma during the trip? I figured it > was something like salt intake, climate, etc and just wanted to know > if anyone had any suggestions as to how I could avoid this problem on > my next cruise. That would depend on the cause if one can be found. When was the last time you had a complete physical and everything was alright? > Thank you anyway > > Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com > Robert CLS, MT(ASCP)wrote: > > My swelling was an isolated incident that only happened a couple of > days into my cruise and went away when I returned home. As Marcia stated you provide no medical history or even age. If it was an isolated incident then how did you know about elevation, salt, and drinking plenty of water? Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com[/quote:db2a27f01b][/quote:db2a27f01b] Because it's common knowledge. I'm not a dumb person I was just a person with a simple question that obviously led to a bunch of testosterone enhanced bickering. The only information I gained by posting my question here was that I shouldn't use this board again. Thanks! Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com > > Robert CLS, MT(ASCP)wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > posting my question here was that I shouldn't use this board again. > Thanks! Sorry about that. Let me bring back your original post here and comment on it. When I went on a recent cruise my feet/ankles swelled up quite a bit. I drank plenty of water, walked a lot and elevated my feet often but it didn't seem to help. By the end of the week it almost hurt to walk. What can I do to prevent this from happening again on my next cruise? Thanks! I am not picking on you here only trying to get more information that you didn't want to give. If somebody has edema (water in the ankles), and drinks plenty of water, where's the water going to go? It seems as though you might have a problem dealing with a water load. If you had difficulty breathing or coughing that might indicate water in your lungs also. The most serious things that need to be looked at are heart, liver, and kidney. What can you do to prevent this from happening again? See a doctor and have it checked out. > Posted via medical forums at http://medical.gr77.com |
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