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Medical Forum / General / General / May 2006Homeopathic medicine kills infant girl
These parents should be jailed . Homeopathic medicines must be subject to double blind studies and all ineffective ones ie 100% should be banned , along with ineffective herbal , Aryuvedic and Unani medications. excerpt Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox rioted yesterday to protest an Ashdod court decision authorizing the autopsy of a 1 year-old Ashdod girl who died after her ultra-Orthodox parents failed to follow a doctor's recommendation that she be treated with antibiotics and took her to a homeopath instead. Charge them with homicide! > These parents should be jailed . Homeopathic medicines must be > subject to double blind studies and all ineffective ones ie 100% [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > recommendation that she be treated with antibiotics and took her to a > homeopath instead. > These parents should be jailed . Homeopathic medicines must be > subject to double blind studies and all ineffective ones ie 100% [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > recommendation that she be treated with antibiotics and took her to a > homeopath instead. You're subject is wrong. It was not the homeopathic medications that killed the girl. It was the failure to get adequate medical treatment. I do agree that homeopathic medications should meet the same requirements as conventional medicine for licensing. Jeff > These parents should be jailed . Homeopathic medicines must be > subject to double blind studies and all ineffective ones ie 100% [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > recommendation that she be treated with antibiotics and took her to a > homeopath instead. Homeopathic medicine did not kill the girl as you claim, the lack of proper, proven medical treatment did. However I agree that the parents are at fault. Though they have every right to refuse treatment for themselves, as adults, they should not impose their wishes on an infant in their care and whose duty it is to protect. > These parents should be jailed . Homeopathic medicines must be > subject to double blind studies and all ineffective ones ie 100% > should be banned , There have been hundreds of studies on homeopathic remedies and a number of sytematic reviews and meta analyses. Allowing for the rule of thumb qualities of clinical studies (e.g. one in 20 will be statistically "positive" simply due to chance, and the better quality of the study. the more likely it is negative) will always throw up a few postive studies, we can already conclude that they doesn't work better than sham treatments. No proposed conventional medical treatment would have survived this amount of negative research, especially if the method was also totallly implausible (on several different grounds) to begin with.. And there is no need to go on to test every homeopathic remedy or to test homeopathic care for every possible illness. The above studies normally involve enthusiasts who are seeking vindication for homeopathy -- they make sure it is tested out where they believe it performs best. Peter Moran >along with ineffective herbal , Aryuvedic and Unani > medications. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > recommendation that she be treated with antibiotics and took her to a > homeopath instead. Peter Moran wrote... >>These parents should be jailed . Homeopathic medicines must be >>subject to double blind studies and all ineffective ones ie 100% [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of negative research, especially if the method was also totallly implausible > (on several different grounds) to begin with.. My opinion is that if homeopathic treatments worked, they would already have been demonstrated effective in the classic double-blind clinical study and would be part of mainstream medicine. It is not necessary to know HOW something works, all a scientific test has to demonstrate that it DOES work. It might be black magic, but if it works you should be able to prove it with a laboratory experiment. The usual reason defenders of homeopathy and herbalism give for their treatments remaining untested and unapproved by the traditional medical establishment is because they don't want competition. It's all a big giant conspiracy by drug companies who don't want their expensive pills replaced by incredibly cheap homeopathic medicines. The all-powerful drug companies have prevented any independent testing of homepathic remedies for over a century, corrupting thousands or millions of scientists to publish false studies to discredit homeopathy. > Peter Moran wrote... > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > remedies for over a century, corrupting thousands or millions of > scientists to publish false studies to discredit homeopathy. For a vast number of ailments, there is *no* cure from the medical establishment. They are still effectively in the leech-mode mentality. Homeopathy does work, it all depends how good the homeopath is, and it also depends upon how the patient is understood. Since there is a lot of variety involved, medication in homeopathy is an art form unlike that of the medical establishment. The homeopath treats the individual on the individual basis. Scientific tests are certainly possible. You ask the beneficiaries of homeopathy, and take their statements and publish the statistics - how many gained, how many lost, what diseases were treated, what are the comparable statistics with respect to the medical establishment. In India doctors prescribe both allopathic and homeopathic medicines, from the same dispensary. They use their judgement. The result is, that health in India is cheap and universal. Of course, good health is aided by low-fat diet, healthy attitudes, good music, etc. "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> > For a vast number of ailments, there is *no* cure from the medical > establishment. They are still effectively in the leech-mode mentality. Irrelevant. > Homeopathy does work, it all depends how good the homeopath is, and it > also depends upon how the patient is understood. So does witchcraft. No homeopath, no matter how "good", has ever been able to tell the difference between a homeopathic remedy (>11C) and the original dilute in a controlled test. > Scientific tests are certainly possible. You ask the beneficiaries of > homeopathy, and take their statements and publish the statistics - how > many gained, how many lost, what diseases were treated, what are the > comparable statistics with respect to the medical establishment. I have. And the responses are universally bullshit. Over the years I've seen many people claim that they, or someone they know, can differentiate between a homeopathic remedy (>11C) and the stuff used to dilute the "active" substance in it. Yet, when pressed, all I've seen is hand-waving. Reality is non-negotiable. moo
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