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schoenfeld1@gmail.com - 18 May 2006 03:14 GMT
It occured to me, after watching a very interesting documentary, that
the cure for "AIDS" is simply "stop taking HIV medicine".

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/170506_b_HIV.htm

1. AIDS is just a "weakened immune system that can't recover".

2. AIDS is caused by stress/malnutrition/drug abuse not HIV, and is
recoverable.

3. There no evidence suggesting HIV causes AIDS.

4. There is evidence suggesting HIV medicine causes AIDS.

This is how the whole HIV/AIDS scam industry works:
1. Doctor tells patient that HIV is present.
2. Doctor tells patient, HIV causes AIDS (lie).
3. Patient takes anti-HIV medicine A.
4. Medicine A destroys immune system.
5. Over the long-term, patient develops persistent AIDS due to
medication A.
6. Patient dies of AIDS since he takes medicine A to the last minute.
7. Drug A gets credited as 'prolonging' the life of the patient.
8. AIDS industry gets more investment and promotion.

The african aids crisis is really about giving them all AIDS through
western-subsidized "medication".

This scam works because people _assume_ they are being told the truth
by 'authorities' (government) and 'professionals' (academia) and
industry (big pharma).
ross-parry@cox.net - 18 May 2006 09:10 GMT
If it is AIDS your worried about, stop touching my wife before I have
to touch you through a tree!  Comprende chumps!

> It occured to me, after watching a very interesting documentary, that
> the cure for "AIDS" is simply "stop taking HIV medicine".
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> by 'authorities' (government) and 'professionals' (academia) and
> industry (big pharma).
Schoenfeld - 18 May 2006 12:28 GMT
> If it is AIDS your worried about, stop touching my wife before I have
> to touch you through a tree!  Comprende chumps!

Consider for one moment that one of us lives in a phoney orwellian
world. Based on my own independent and objective analysis of commonly
held and foundational assumptions, I have much confidence this person
is not me.
FED UP - 18 May 2006 14:02 GMT
I've a cure for AIDS.

Abstain from sex until you marry and then remain faithful. ( need I
mention not to share freaking dirty needles with drug addicts?)

Oh I know, that smacks of "extremist religious hate".

hehehehe....and you're all Darwin Award winners.

The truth will all be played out in the long term....all the
blabbering is meaningless.

Who will the survivers be in 10,000 years....that's all that matters.
hiv.aids.poz@gmail.com - 18 May 2006 14:39 GMT
http://www.hiv-aids-poz.com
David Wright - 19 May 2006 03:09 GMT
> I've a cure for AIDS.
>
> Abstain from sex until you marry and then remain faithful. ( need I
>mention not to share freaking dirty needles with drug addicts?)

And don't ever get a blood transfusion.  And don't get raped, or get a
needlestick injury.  Those are all your own fault, right?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 20 May 2006 13:26 GMT
> I've a cure for AIDS.

It's not a cure, but a suggestion to reduce risk.

> Abstain from sex until you marry and then remain faithful. ( need I
>mention not to share freaking dirty needles with drug addicts?)

Sounds good, but your spouse has to remain faithful too, right?  And
there's also the possibility of being raped.

> Oh I know, that smacks of "extremist religious hate".

It's a logical idea, but life is more complicated than that.

> hehehehe....and you're all Darwin Award winners.
>
> The truth will all be played out in the long term....all the
>blabbering is meaningless.
>
> Who will the survivers be in 10,000 years....that's all that matters.

The human species isn't going to die off from disease.  Even the worst
epidemics leave plenty of survivors, some of whom had lucked out by
having a genetic resistance to that particular disease.  People who die
of AIDS have often had more children than most people in developed
countries, and there are a number of known mutations that provide
some resistance.

So while you may enjoy gloating about the suffering of people whom you
regard as more stupid or less moral than you are, the human population
10,000 years from now may well have a greater genetic component from
people you despise than from those you identify with.
Dirk Van de moortel - 18 May 2006 19:23 GMT
> It occured to me, after watching a very interesting documentary, that
> the cure for "AIDS" is simply "stop taking HIV medicine".
>
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/170506_b_HIV.htm

 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/MoonLanding/MoonLanding.html

Dirk Vdm
David Wright - 19 May 2006 03:08 GMT
>It occured to me, after watching a very interesting documentary, that
>the cure for "AIDS" is simply "stop taking HIV medicine".

That's the sort of preposterous conclusion you can reach after
watching the swill the "AIDS skeptics" dish up.

There are a few minor problems with the idea, such as all the millions
of people in the world who got AIDS despite never taking any anti-HIV
medications.  Most of the victims in Africa and Asia, for instance.

One of the great things about "Quintal" (the original poster here) is
that he's a perfect indicator -- any idea he's pushing can immediately
be recognized as false.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Schoenfeld - 19 May 2006 04:12 GMT
> >It occured to me, after watching a very interesting documentary, that
> >the cure for "AIDS" is simply "stop taking HIV medicine".
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> of people in the world who got AIDS despite never taking any anti-HIV
> medications.  Most of the victims in Africa and Asia, for instance.

It does not take a genius intellect to understand that a weakened
immune system could be caused by simple things like starvation. The
_trick_ is in creating the perception that a weakened immune system is
some sort of "new disease" called "AIDS" and getting the mainstream
media to associate this "homo/sexual/dirty/HIV" so that tax-paying
zombie slaves can subsidize an entire industry which is then used to
commit genocide on an unsuspecting 'clearly inferior' peoples of Africa
under the cover of "medical aid".

The "HIV/AIDS" crisis never existed, it was and still is a fraud. This
conclusion can be reasoned by independent and _objective_ analysis of
the whole saga - for starters, the guy who hypothesized the "hiv/aids
theory" FAILED TO GET THROUGH PEER REVIEW.

Truth is much stranger than fiction.

> One of the great things about "Quintal" (the original poster here) is
> that he's a perfect indicator -- any idea he's pushing can immediately
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>      "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>                                  -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Wright - 19 May 2006 05:14 GMT
>> >It occured to me, after watching a very interesting documentary, that
>> >the cure for "AIDS" is simply "stop taking HIV medicine".
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>commit genocide on an unsuspecting 'clearly inferior' peoples of Africa
>under the cover of "medical aid".

It apparently takes an intellect more powerful than yours to realize
that your description has nothing to do with the actual course of AIDS
in Africa.  Many of the victims are anything but starving; they were
much more urbanized, upper-class folks.  Also, starvation-based
diseases invariably kill off the aged and the young, which is the
exact opposite of what happened with AIDS.

I would say I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but I'm not.

>Truth is much stranger than fiction.

And lies are stranger than both.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
hiv.aids.poz@gmail.com - 19 May 2006 10:30 GMT
Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:

http://www.HIVsearch.com
http://www.HIVAIDSsearch.com
http://www.HIVforum.com
http://www.HIV-AIDS-CHAT.com
Schoenfeld - 19 May 2006 11:16 GMT
> Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:
>
> http://www.HIVsearch.com
> http://www.HIVAIDSsearch.com
> http://www.HIVforum.com
> http://www.HIV-AIDS-CHAT.com

You directly work for or are subsdized by the US government, aren't
you?

A cursory examination of the foundations of this issue (not just what
big pharma says) reveals it to be one of the biggest medical failures
and outright frauds of the century - and as usual - the mainstream
media (owned by same oligarchy that own big pharma) conceal this hidden
scientific debate and actively promulgate a theory which has FAILED
PEER REVIEW. An entire government-subsidized industry is build around a
theory which has FAILED PEER REVIEW. $14 billion dollars in 'research
funding' later and the only thing to show for it are 'crackpot' rants
like mine on usenet? SOLUTION = give more money!!!!

For sheep who elect academia as their authority providers - I'm not the
only 'crackpot' saying these things - nobel prize winning medical
researches and many others are saying _exactly the same_.
Robert CLS, MT(ASCP) - 19 May 2006 18:43 GMT
<For sheep who elect academia as their authority providers - I'm not
the
<only 'crackpot' saying these things - nobel prize winning medical
<researches and many others are saying _exactly the same_.

So you went from your original posts stating you don't listen to
authority or academia to now quoting authority and academia.

Who gives out the nobel prize which is sponsored by the media,
established drug companies set up by commercial enterprize and picked
by academia around the world?

You are one confused puppy who keeps changing names but still has the
same story.
Who do you think sponsors the HIV does not cause AIDS stuff?
People who want to make money by selling that HIV does not cause AIDS
stuff through alternative treatments.

I didn't know that people were starving in the US a decade ago and that
was the TRUE cause of AIDS. Selective starvation of homosexual males in
their twenties. Nice theory. Everybody in the medical community did not
know what was going on at the time. Rare conditions that would normally
make it into the literature were appearing daily.  AIDS wards were
being established and people were dying. Now the wards are gone and
out-patients visits are common and the rare conditions are again
uncommon. Anybody with any experience in hospital work knows the
difference.
I don't need anybody to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.
People like you obviously needs somebody to listen to and you prefer to
listen to *crackpots*. That's your choice.
David Wright - 20 May 2006 03:24 GMT
>> Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>You directly work for or are subsdized by the US government, aren't
>you?

Ah, the old fallback of the loon:  anyone who disagrees with you is a
paid agent of the conspiracy.  Pathetic.

>A cursory examination of the foundations of this issue (not just what
>big pharma says) reveals it to be one of the biggest medical failures
>and outright frauds of the century - and as usual - the mainstream
>media (owned by same oligarchy that own big pharma) conceal this hidden
>scientific debate and actively promulgate a theory which has FAILED
>PEER REVIEW.

Guess you need to do more than a cursory examination.

>An entire government-subsidized industry is build around a
>theory which has FAILED PEER REVIEW. $14 billion dollars in 'research
>funding' later and the only thing to show for it are 'crackpot' rants
>like mine on usenet? SOLUTION = give more money!!!!

Failed what peer review?  Which peers?  Which review?

>For sheep who elect academia as their authority providers - I'm not the
>only 'crackpot' saying these things - nobel prize winning medical
>researches and many others are saying _exactly the same_.

Name a few.  Many of the supposed skeptics who originally signed onto
the "we need to re-evaluate all this" memo have since changed their
minds.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Rind - 20 May 2006 12:24 GMT
>>For sheep who elect academia as their authority providers - I'm not the
>>only 'crackpot' saying these things - nobel prize winning medical
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the "we need to re-evaluate all this" memo have since changed their
> minds.

Presumably the nobel-prizewinning crackpot referred to is Kary Mullis,
inventor of PCR. Has Mullis changed his mind about HIV?

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David Wright - 20 May 2006 19:59 GMT
>>>For sheep who elect academia as their authority providers - I'm not the
>>>only 'crackpot' saying these things - nobel prize winning medical
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Presumably the nobel-prizewinning crackpot referred to is Kary Mullis,
>inventor of PCR. Has Mullis changed his mind about HIV?

Not that I've heard.  But it's always baffled me that the "HIV
skeptics" think that Mullis's endorsement is such a win for them.
He's a chemist, not a doctor.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Rind - 20 May 2006 21:00 GMT
>>Presumably the nobel-prizewinning crackpot referred to is Kary Mullis,
>>inventor of PCR. Has Mullis changed his mind about HIV?
>
> Not that I've heard.  But it's always baffled me that the "HIV
> skeptics" think that Mullis's endorsement is such a win for them.
> He's a chemist, not a doctor.

In general being able to point to a scientist who won the Nobel prize as
a supporter is somewhat better than a ham sandwich. Doesn't change the
fact that for about fifteen years now you'd have to be completely
bonkers to think HIV isn't the cause of AIDS.

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Peter Bowditch - 20 May 2006 08:47 GMT
>> Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>only 'crackpot' saying these things - nobel prize winning medical
>researches and many others are saying _exactly the same_.

I assume that you are volunteering yourself to be both injected with
live HIV and to receive unprotected anal sex from someone who is HIV+.

If you are not prepared to do these things then you are exposed as
someone who talks the talk but won't walk the walk. If you truly
believe what you are saying there can be no reason to refuse both of
these alleged by others (but denied by you) methods of transmission of
AIDS.

So, tell us when you are going to bare your arm and your arse in order
to prove that everyone with sense is wrong.
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Dirk Van de moortel - 20 May 2006 13:37 GMT
> >> Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> So, tell us when you are going to bare your arm and your arse in order
> to prove that everyone with sense is wrong.

Good one :-)
Killer argument.

Dirk Vdm
Schoenfeld - 21 May 2006 00:14 GMT
> >> Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> So, tell us when you are going to bare your arm and your arse in order
> to prove that everyone with sense is wrong.

Rather than take the usual path of least effort and maximal laziness -
the path of believing everything academic/political authority tells you
- take your first baby steps towards _real_ science and actually bother
to indepedently and objectively verify important claims. Simple things
like the fact that more americans have AIDS than African's kind of
start ringing those usual alarm bell's that one hears when
independently and objectively verifying political claims about issues
relating to billions of dollars.

As for the notion of "volunteering" for anything, my intent here is
only to awaken the (very) few willing to listen, to motivate someone to
actually independently and objectively research something rather than
accept murdoch's take, and to position myself on the right side of
history - perhaps one day you will look back at this post and wonder
how you never got it in the first place.

Now run along sheep...

> --
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> The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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> Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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David Rind - 21 May 2006 03:10 GMT
> Rather than take the usual path of least effort and maximal laziness -
> the path of believing everything academic/political authority tells you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> independently and objectively verifying political claims about issues
> relating to billions of dollars.

Do you think stating this falsehood as a fact makes it so? In 2003, for
instance, there were about 2.2 million AIDS deaths in sub-Saharan Africa
and about 16,000 AIDS deaths in North America (from UN estimates). So,
there more more than 100 times more AIDS deaths in Africa.

I'm not certain exactly how the relative numbers of AIDS cases in
America and Africa proves anything, but making up false claims and
posting them proves nothing but the mendacity or foolishness of the poster.

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Peter Bowditch - 21 May 2006 16:24 GMT
>> >> Some places to learn about HIV/AIDS:
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
>Now run along sheep...

So you don't believe what you say and are not prepared to put it to
the test.

I thought that would be the case. It always is with blowhards like
you. All talk.
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David Wright - 21 May 2006 20:04 GMT
>Rather than take the usual path of least effort and maximal laziness -
>the path of believing everything academic/political authority tells you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>independently and objectively verifying political claims about issues
>relating to billions of dollars.

As Dr. Rind pointed out, the alarm bells should go off when some
semi-literate oaf starts claiming things like "more americans have
AIDS than African's."

Anyone who'd like to see the actual numbers of infections should check
Newsweek from a couple of issues back; they had some nice charts
showing the extent of AIDS worldwide.

>As for the notion of "volunteering" for anything, my intent here is
>only to awaken the (very) few willing to listen, to motivate someone to
>actually independently and objectively research something rather than
>accept murdoch's take, and to position myself on the right side of
>history - perhaps one day you will look back at this post and wonder
>how you never got it in the first place.

No, your intent here is to push some agenda and spread misinformation,
whether you know it or not.  I don't know what it is that motivates
these so-called "AIDS skeptics" to keep their heads firmly buried in
the sand, lest they encounter inconvenient facts that would shatter
their illusions.  Even if I did know, I doubt it's anything I could
fix.  But nothing says I have to sit quietly and not respond to it.

One day, I'll look at your post and wonder how anyone could be that
mutton-headed.  Oh, right -- that day is today.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
FED UP - 28 May 2006 17:18 GMT
>So while you may enjoy gloating about the suffering of people whom
you
>regard as more stupid or less moral than you are,

"gloating about the suffering..." ?

No...I'm not gloating. But I've noticed that when people state the
truth...the hard truth, someothers
really become offended. They think it's an personal attack.
For me to state the truth is construed by you as a personal attack.
So as a Liberal your instinct is to attack my character...I "gloat
about suffering".

I tell the truth...you lie.

>the human population
>10,000 years from now may well have a greater genetic component from
>people you despise than from those you identify with.

I don't think so but it all remains to be seen.
Not by us though, we'll be dead and it's beyond our concern.
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 28 May 2006 18:18 GMT
> >So while you may enjoy gloating about the suffering of people whom
>you
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> So as a Liberal your instinct is to attack my character...I "gloat
>about suffering".

I don't think it's a personal attack.  Calling me a "Liberal", which
appears to be a derogatory term in your view, would be a personal
attack, or an ad hominem.  Claiming that I'm offended by your "hard
truth" instead of pointing out my errors is a way of avoiding rational
debate.  Perhaps you feel personally attacked when people point out
errors in your ideas.  I don't, especially if they are valid points.

I note that you appear pleased that people like yourself will not
get AIDS, you believe, while those who are unchaste or who share
needles, who are more likely to suffer and die of AIDS, are getting
what they deserve for their immorality and stupidity, and that
ultimately (10,000 years) the descendants of people like you will
inherit the earth while the others have perished.

I note that you don't quote your original post, in which your attitude
is quite clear.

> I tell the truth...you lie.

You tell the truth?  You give a suggestion for avoiding HIV infection
(monogamy and chastity) and call it a "cure".  It certainly isn't a
cure -- it will do nothing to cure a person who is already infected
with HIV.

I lie?  I point out that since your spouse may not be as chaste as
you are, and people do get raped, even this excellent risk avoidance
strategy is not a guarantee of safety.  Please point out the lie.

> >the human population
>>10,000 years from now may well have a greater genetic component from
>>people you despise than from those you identify with.
>
> I don't think so but it all remains to be seen.
> Not by us though, we'll be dead and it's beyond our concern.

10,000 years is indeed a long time, but note that poor countries that
have high rates of HIV infection still have steadily increasing
populations, while developed countries generally have a low birth
rate and depend on immigration to prevent their populations from
decreasing.
FED UP - 28 May 2006 19:08 GMT
>I note that you appear pleased that people like yourself will not
>get AIDS, you believe, while those who are unchaste or who share
>needles, who are more likely to suffer and die of AIDS, are getting
>what they deserve for their immorality and stupidity, and that
>ultimately (10,000 years) the descendants of people like you will
>inherit the earth while the others have perished.

Please that I don't don't get AIDS ?  Well, yes, I'm am pleased.

Rape is not a major vector for the spread of AIDS. At least not in the
West.
Anyhow what you are attempting to do by mentioning "rape, sticking
with needles" is to steer the '
conversation away from the real problem.... homosexual (and hetero to
a lesser degree) promiscuity and drug use. And you know it.
It's so obvious you're trying to protect these behaviours, for some
distorted reasons.

Yes I'm pleased I don't get AIDS...duh !

But again you are bringing into this argument this emotional aspect
that really is irrelevent.
I "gloat"...I'm "pleased" and this suggestion I'm happy that all those
others are getting it.

You use all this to victimize yourself and it some passive/aggressive
ploy to neutralize my comments.

Well I'm not fooled.

See avoiding AIDS is like not choosing to jump off a cliff.
They are both choices.

Just substitute "avoiding AIDS" and "not jumping off a cliff" in all
the previous arguments and then
you'll begin to see how strange your defensiveness sounds.

Also "rape,accidental prick of a needle, blood transfusions"....ALL
these risks wouldn't even exist if not
for the main vectors.

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