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Basic Question Regarding Hydrocele Surgery

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Temprock@hotmail.com - 14 May 2006 08:21 GMT
I have a "bearable" testicular hydrocele that my urologist says should
be surgically addressed at some point.

I have had (thus far) good luck with a general surgeon--not the
urologist-- with other "routine' surgeries (hernias, hot appy) and
would prefer the general surgeon to do the hydrocele surgery. My family
doctor (yes a third doctor here!!) said "no way, urologists are FAR
more capable in doing urological procedures than a general surgeon". My
girlfriend (a non-physician thank heavens with some interest in the
outcome and choice) points out that with females hysterectomies, etc.
are not done by general surgeons, rather are done by gynecologists.

Urological surgery: general surgeon (who has done me before!!!) or
urologist (who is a fine diagnostician but surgically????)?     Final
factor: the general surgeon is associated with a hospital in my
community that I trust for basics (good adjunct medical team), the
urologist is attached to a more remote hospital with which I have never
dealt.

Advice appreciated.
Howard McCollister - 14 May 2006 14:37 GMT
>I have a "bearable" testicular hydrocele that my urologist says should
> be surgically addressed at some point.
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>
> Advice appreciated.

It depends on the general surgeon. Some are experienced at hydrocele
surgery, some aren't. You should find out from your general surgeon if he is
comfortable with fixing your hydrocele. If he is, then you'd be in good
hands. Hydrocelectomy is a very straightforward operation.

However, I'm curious about your medical history. There are two ways to get a
hydrocele - one is as part of an indirect inguinal hernia, the other is some
local effect on the testicle (trauma or infection). You mention that you've
had "hernias" fixed. If you haven't had trauma or infection to that
testicle, and you had an *inguinal* hernia fixed on the side that you now
have the hydrocele, then that operation  may not have been done properly
since the hydrocele that you have is part of in the indirect sac that should
have been removed when the hernia was fixed. THAT is a question I would
certainly want to ask my hernia surgeon. If you HAVEN'T had an inguinal
hernia repair on the side where the hydrocele is, then you VERY likely have
an inguinal hernia as a cause for the hydrocele, and what you'd need IS NOT
a transcrotal hydrocelectomy, but an inguinal hernia repair AND
hydrocelectomy (same incision). In that case you most definitely want this
problem addressed by the general surgeon and not the urologist.

A hydrocele is a sac of fluid that surrounds the testicle, but that sac
extends all the way back along the spermatic cord to the peritoneal cavity.
If the hernia hasn't been repaired, just fixing the hydrocele means you'll
likely ALSO be needing a hernia repair in the future.

Having said all of this, there are some circumstances where a surgeon might
fix a hernia and intentionally leave the hydrocele alone, but the only one I
can think of off the top of my head would be a *laparoscopic* repair of a
large indirect inguinal hernia.

So:

-have you had an inguinal hernia repair on the side where the hydrocele is?
-have you had significant trauma to the testicle where the hydrocele is?

HMc
Temprock@hotmail.com - 14 May 2006 16:53 GMT
Mr. McCollister:

TY for you expansive and thoughtful response. Yes: general surgeon did
an inguinal hernia repair on the same side as the testicular hydrocele
is (lower right side). The hydrocele did not emerge until several years
after the hernia repair.

When I asked my urologist-- not the general surgeon--about whether the
hernia//hydrocele were "connected" the urologist said "many hydroceles
are idiopathic (i.e., not easily or causally explainable)"   He was not
ready to "blame" the general surgeon but my inclination is that there
may be a connection there.

No trauma to the testicle involved but infection is a possibility
(though I do not recall anything painful or even noticeable until the
hydrocele emerged).

It has been noticeable for 2-3 years, does not cause me major
discomfort (appearances are the most tangible concern as of now) but
(one more factor): using the illumination test the fluid has been clear
until my most recent ultra sound which noted the fluid has become
cloudy with significant "debris" apparent in the ulta sound.  Meeting
with the urologist again tomorrow (Monday).

Again thanks for your feedback.
Howard McCollister - 14 May 2006 18:07 GMT
> Mr. McCollister:
>
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> cloudy with significant "debris" apparent in the ulta sound.  Meeting
> with the urologist again tomorrow (Monday).

Aspiration of the hydrocele is quick and simple, and can be sent for
cytologic evaluation for the possibility of testicular malignancy. If
negative, you can proceed with hydrocelectomy.

It's true that the hydrocele might have sprung up on its own, but given the
history of an inguinal hernia repair on that side, I'm suspicious. The
entire processus vaginalis / tunica vaginalis (which is the hernia/hydrocele
sac) should generally be removed during open hernia surgery, which then
leaves the question "in what space is this scrotal fluid collecting"?

HMc
Temprock@hotmail.com - 14 May 2006 20:41 GMT
Again, TY. I'm to see the urologist on Monday. I'll have many questions
for him as you might imagine!!!!

Hope you're having a pleasant weekend.

Michael
 
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