> >>The majority of humans
> lack a diet sufficient in protein, and this leads to iron deficiency<<
>
> The person is BORN with excess iron .. and this SUFFICIENT iron is
> never depleted ..
I don't know why you think people are born with excess iron. The fact
is, iron is lost at a rate of 1mg to 2mg per day through a variety of
pathways, not just blood loss. It's true that women during
menstruation lose more than men, but if it wasn't a dietary
requirement, it would be impossible to acquire iron deficiency anaemia.
> The person doesn't .. lose .. this iron ..it is treated as if it were
> gold .. and it is recycled .. theoretically DYING with the iron your
> mom gave you at birth .. somewhat .. diluted ....
Then explain iron deficiency anaemia. The fact that stored iron can
be used for necessary biological processes doesn't mean the supply is
inexhaustible. Iron deficiency anaemia is a life-threatening disease,
and for more common worldwide than iron overload.
> The person NEVER loses this iron ..
>
> It is recycled ..
>
> The person is capable of absorbing up to 80% of the iron from the food
> they are presented .. with ..
That contradicts everything I've ever seen in the medical literature.
The figure is closer to 5% for non-heme (plant-based), and 25% for heme
(meat-derived) iron.
> The body stores seven months worth of iron and this iron is IMPOSSIBLE
> to deplete because simply in order to deplete it one would have to go
> without food for at least seven months ..
Since people can't survive without food for 7 months, iron deficiency
anaemia must occur as a result of inadequate diet. What doesn't happen
in a few months can certainly happen over a period of years. And it
does.
> Which is .. impossible ..
>
> There is no iron deficiency ..
>
> There may be malnourishment .. but .. NO .. iron deficiency ..
You'll have to explain that one to me. Malnourishment has no practical
meaning outside a nutritional deficiency.
> IMPOSSIBLE ..
>
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ironjustice@aol.com - 14 Apr 2006 11:44 GMT
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Alf Christophersen - 14 Apr 2006 19:33 GMT
>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/impossible
>
>Who loves ya.
>Tom
>
>Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
Haha. I love it. Before I started to read I was about to write a
comment that ironjustice denies any occuring of anaemia. You just
defines it as non-existing.
Now, I would like to know what you are going to do if you get involved
in a car accident and loose most of your blood? (Denies a transfusion
since it is most healthy to be devoid of blood, maybe accepting
exchange the lost water fraction??)
I guess not. But, in fact then you accept anaemia exists. ?
ironjustice@aol.com - 14 Apr 2006 20:51 GMT
>>going to do if you get involved
in a car accident and loose most of your blood<<
Any blood you lose is devoid of iron .. to a great extent ..
The iron has been shunted into your .. spleen ..
>maybe accepting
exchange the lost water fraction??) <<
Rehydrate .. correct ..
You've been taking notes ..
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Alf Christophersen - 14 Apr 2006 22:15 GMT
>>>going to do if you get involved
>in a car accident and loose most of your blood<<
>
>Any blood you lose is devoid of iron .. to a great extent ..
>
>The iron has been shunted into your .. spleen ..
Sorry, I can tell you will loose a lot of iron too. In the form of
hemoglobine.
ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Apr 2006 02:56 GMT
>>Sorry, I can tell you will loose a lot of iron too. In the form of
hemoglobine<<
Splenic sequestration of red blood cells in trauma is .. well known ..
The 'amount' of iron .. lost .. though ..?
You have some sort of .. reference FOR .. this .. 'a lot of iron' .. do
ya .. ?
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Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
on the dietary side of the equation.
PeterB
David Wright - 13 Apr 2006 04:05 GMT
>Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
>that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
>seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
>on the dietary side of the equation.
>
>PeterB
What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
link?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
bwebb30 - 13 Apr 2006 11:56 GMT
It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
really changed here.....
Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
Department of Imaging Sciences
PET/CT Center
>>Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
>>that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
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> "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
> -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB - 13 Apr 2006 14:40 GMT
> It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
> really changed here.....
What do you mean?
> Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
> Department of Imaging Sciences
> PET/CT Center
David Wright - 15 Apr 2006 02:11 GMT
>It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
>really changed here.....
>
>Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
>Department of Imaging Sciences
>PET/CT Center
Ain't it the truth, Ed? Some of the players change, though. Nice to
see you drop by.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
>>>Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
>>>that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
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>> "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>> -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB - 13 Apr 2006 14:38 GMT
> >Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
> >that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
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> What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
> link?
No, I think he found that already (in his view, at least.)
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
> -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Wright - 15 Apr 2006 02:12 GMT
>> >Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
>> >that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
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>
>No, I think he found that already (in his view, at least.)
Possibly so, but there was certainly no URL in your posting. Does
this make YOU the missing link?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth