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Iron overload reaching epidemic levels worldwide

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ironjustice@aol.com - 11 Apr 2006 15:55 GMT
Role of L-type Ca2+ channels in iron transport and iron-overload
cardiomyopathy.
Oudit GY, Trivieri MG, Khaper N, Liu PP, Backx PH
J Mol Med. 2006 Apr 8;

Excessive body iron or iron overload occurs under conditions such as
primary (hereditary) hemochromatosis and secondary iron overload
(hemosiderosis), which are reaching epidemic levels worldwide. Primary
hemochromatosis is the most common genetic disorder with an allele
frequency greater than 10% in individuals of European ancestry, while
hemosiderosis is less common but associated with a much higher
morbidity and mortality. Iron overload leads to iron deposition in many
tissues especially the liver, brain, heart and endocrine tissues.
Elevated cardiac iron leads to diastolic dysfunction, arrhythmias and
dilated cardiomyopathy, and is the primary determinant of survival in
patients with secondary iron overload as well as a leading cause of
morbidity and mortality in primary hemochromatosis patients. In
addition, iron-induced cardiac injury plays a role in acute iron
toxicosis (iron poisoning), myocardial ischemia-reperfusion injury,
Friedreich ataxia and neurodegenerative diseases. Patients with iron
overload also routinely suffer from a range of endocrinopathies,
including diabetes mellitus and anterior pituitary dysfunction. Despite
clear connections between elevated iron and clinical disease, iron
transport remains poorly understood. While low-capacity divalent metal
and transferrin-bound transporters are critical under normal
physiological conditions, L-type Ca(2+) channels (LTCC) are
high-capacity pathways of ferrous iron (Fe(2+)) uptake into
cardiomyocytes especially under iron overload conditions. Fe(2+) uptake
through L-type Ca(2+) channels may also be crucial in other excitable
cells such as pancreatic beta cells, anterior pituitary cells and
neurons. Consequently, LTCC blockers represent a potential new therapy
to reduce the toxic effects of excess iron.

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PeterB - 11 Apr 2006 20:22 GMT
> Role of L-type Ca2+ channels in iron transport and iron-overload
> cardiomyopathy.
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> Who loves ya.
> Tom

What evidence do the authors provide that either a genetic
predisposition or systemic iron overload are "reaching epidemic levels
worldwide?"  The WHO sees just the opposite.  The majority of humans
lack a diet sufficient in protein, and this leads to iron deficiency,
which is said to be the world's most chronic health risk.  The fact
that iron overload is real (in those few it affects) jus means meat
should be consumed in moderation.  And didn't Jesus eat fish, Tom?

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ironjustice@aol.com - 12 Apr 2006 15:30 GMT
>>The majority of humans
lack a diet sufficient in protein, and this leads to iron deficiency<<

The person is BORN with excess iron .. and this SUFFICIENT iron is
never depleted ..

The person doesn't .. lose .. this iron ..it is treated as if it were
gold .. and it is recycled .. theoretically DYING with the iron your
mom gave you at birth .. somewhat .. diluted ....

The person NEVER loses this iron ..

It is recycled ..

The person is capable of absorbing up to 80% of the iron from the food
they are presented .. with ..

The body stores seven months worth of iron and this iron is IMPOSSIBLE
to deplete because simply in order to deplete it one would have to go
without food for at least seven months ..

Which is .. impossible ..

There is no iron deficiency ..

There may be malnourishment .. but .. NO .. iron deficiency ..

IMPOSSIBLE ..

>>And didn't Jesus eat fish, Tom? <<

Nooo .. He .. didn't ..

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PeterB - 12 Apr 2006 18:02 GMT
> >>The majority of humans
> lack a diet sufficient in protein, and this leads to iron deficiency<<
>
> The person is BORN with excess iron .. and this SUFFICIENT iron is
> never depleted ..

I don't know why you think people are born with excess iron.  The fact
is, iron is lost at a rate of 1mg to 2mg per day through a variety of
pathways, not just blood loss.  It's true that women during
menstruation lose more than men, but if it wasn't a dietary
requirement, it would be impossible to acquire iron deficiency anaemia.

> The person doesn't .. lose .. this iron ..it is treated as if it were
> gold .. and it is recycled .. theoretically DYING with the iron your
> mom gave you at birth .. somewhat .. diluted ....

Then explain iron deficiency anaemia.   The fact that stored iron can
be used for necessary biological processes doesn't mean the supply is
inexhaustible.  Iron deficiency anaemia is a life-threatening disease,
and for more common worldwide than iron overload.

> The person NEVER loses this iron ..
>
> It is recycled ..
>
> The person is capable of absorbing up to 80% of the iron from the food
> they are presented .. with ..

That contradicts everything I've ever seen in the medical literature.
The figure is closer to 5% for non-heme (plant-based), and 25% for heme
(meat-derived) iron.

> The body stores seven months worth of iron and this iron is IMPOSSIBLE
> to deplete because simply in order to deplete it one would have to go
> without food for at least seven months ..

Since people can't survive without food for 7 months, iron deficiency
anaemia must occur as a result of inadequate diet.  What doesn't happen
in a few months can certainly happen over a period of years.  And it
does.

> Which is .. impossible ..
>
> There is no iron deficiency ..
>
> There may be malnourishment .. but .. NO .. iron deficiency ..

You'll have to explain that one to me.  Malnourishment has no practical
meaning outside a nutritional deficiency.

> IMPOSSIBLE ..
>
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ironjustice@aol.com - 14 Apr 2006 11:44 GMT
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/impossible

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Alf Christophersen - 14 Apr 2006 19:33 GMT
>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/impossible
>
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>Tom
>
>Jesus Was A Vegetarian!

Haha. I love it. Before I started to read I was about to write a
comment that ironjustice denies any occuring of anaemia. You just
defines it as non-existing.

Now, I would like to know what you are going to do if you get involved
in a car accident and loose most of your blood? (Denies a transfusion
since it is most healthy to be devoid of blood, maybe accepting
exchange the lost water fraction??)

I guess not. But, in fact then you accept anaemia exists. ?
ironjustice@aol.com - 14 Apr 2006 20:51 GMT
>>going to do if you get involved
in a car accident and loose most of your blood<<

Any blood you lose is devoid of iron .. to a great extent ..

The iron has been shunted into your .. spleen ..

>maybe accepting
exchange the lost water fraction??) <<

Rehydrate .. correct ..

You've been taking notes ..

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Alf Christophersen - 14 Apr 2006 22:15 GMT
>>>going to do if you get involved
>in a car accident and loose most of your blood<<
>
>Any blood you lose is devoid of iron .. to a great extent ..
>
>The iron has been shunted into your .. spleen ..

Sorry, I can tell you will loose a lot of iron too. In the form of
hemoglobine.
ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Apr 2006 02:56 GMT
>>Sorry, I can tell you will loose a lot of iron too. In the form of
hemoglobine<<

Splenic sequestration of red blood cells in trauma is .. well known ..

The 'amount' of iron .. lost .. though ..?

You have some sort of .. reference FOR .. this .. 'a lot of iron' .. do
ya .. ?

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PeterB - 12 Apr 2006 18:12 GMT
Here is a link you might find interesting.  It's a vegetarian website
that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
on the dietary side of the equation.  

PeterB
David Wright - 13 Apr 2006 04:05 GMT
>Here is a link you might find interesting.  It's a vegetarian website
>that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
>seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
>on the dietary side of the equation.  
>
>PeterB

What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
link?

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bwebb30 - 13 Apr 2006 11:56 GMT
It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
really changed here.....

Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
Department of Imaging Sciences
PET/CT Center

>>Here is a link you might find interesting.  It's a vegetarian website
>>that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
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>     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB - 13 Apr 2006 14:40 GMT
> It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
> really changed here.....

What do you mean?

> Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
> Department of Imaging Sciences
> PET/CT Center
David Wright - 15 Apr 2006 02:11 GMT
>It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
>really changed here.....
>
>Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
>Department of Imaging Sciences
>PET/CT Center

Ain't it the truth, Ed?  Some of the players change, though.  Nice to
see you drop by.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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>>>Here is a link you might find interesting.  It's a vegetarian website
>>>that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>>                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB - 13 Apr 2006 14:38 GMT
> >Here is a link you might find interesting.  It's a vegetarian website
> >that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
> link?

No, I think he found that already (in his view, at least.)

>   -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
>      These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
>      "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
>                                  -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Wright - 15 Apr 2006 02:12 GMT
>> >Here is a link you might find interesting.  It's a vegetarian website
>> >that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>No, I think he found that already (in his view, at least.)

Possibly so, but there was certainly no URL in your posting.  Does
this make YOU the missing link?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
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