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Medical Forum / General / General / April 2006From: C A III A
Had to change thread direction Carolyn Adamo Gulley now using the sock puppet: MaryAnn Milquetoast and Anna Mae Dawson is attempting to bust the original thread. Since it is not going in her favor. You are suppose to say: "JW makes poor parents and they should all be killed" But since you didn't, and you weren't phased by her troll alert.."please remove ARJW from the thread", she has resorted to sock puppetry to bust the thread. Can you believe she is a 65 yr old behaving like a child? all she is an attention whore. No matter lets continue... >There are Jw's who commit fornication and adultery, and molest >children, It not surprising that some will admit to a transfusion. >Beside JW elders have a good idea when somebody accepts a transfusion >even in secret. And they know how to deal with it. >So, adulterers and child molesters are in the same category is those >accepting transfusions? ====> From A JW point a view, yes. They can be disassociated, most of time that is the case. >Therefore your test case is the exclusion, not the rule. and I see >you are bypassing the more ethical questions presented. >Point is that JW should not be prohibited of having kids and consider them >negligent because they do not want blood transfusions. That is not ethical. >Plus not all JW live in closed down communities with elders. ==> How do you determine what is ehtical? There has been judges who have sterilized poor parents due to drug abuse. Are you saying that Jw's make good parents? (is that is the case; you become Carol best friend) > As far as abortions: Fetus! It is fetus! Plus, do you know of > complications > of childbirth in kiddies? >it still a human fetus with the potential of becoming a child. Would >it not be ok for the courts to remove these children from their >parents for allowing these kids to get pregnant to begin with? >knowing the medical complications? Would you not say that these >parents were negligent? >Sperm has potential to become a child. ===>No it doesnt. You should know better. A pregnant mother doesn't say, I am carrying my husband sperm, nor fetus. >Def. would not remove kids, but would make mandatory counseling for parents ====> Why? Are they or Parents or not? "Planck" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message >So, adulterers and child molesters are in the same category is those >accepting transfusions? ====> From A JW point a view, yes. They can be disassociated, most of time that is the case. What about from a societal point of view? >Point is that JW should not be prohibited of having kids and consider them >negligent because they do not want blood transfusions. That is not ethical. >Plus not all JW live in closed down communities with elders. ==> How do you determine what is ehtical? There has been judges who have sterilized poor parents due to drug abuse. Are you saying that Jw's make good parents? (is that is the case; you become Carol best friend) I am saying JW's are not all that different as compared with others: neither better or worse. And are there judges who sterilized anybody for refusing blood transfusions? I doubt it. Should they be brought to justice if they are found to be negligent, even if it was due to their religious (or cult) beliefs -- Hell, yeah. But not to be considered negligent apriori. >Sperm has potential to become a child. ===>No it doesnt. You should know better. A pregnant mother doesn't say, I am carrying my husband sperm, nor fetus. Fetus has more chances of becoming a newborn than sperm (obviously). But calling "aborting" a "killing" will bring about an abortion debate, which I do not feel like continuing. >Def. would not remove kids, but would make mandatory counseling for parents ====> Why? Are they or Parents or not? Ultra radical methods should be used in ultra radical situation, not every single one. > "Planck" another Jabriol (Antonio L Santana) sock-puppet <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message > >So, adulterers and child molesters are in the same category is those > >accepting transfusions? > ====> From A JW point a view, yes. They can be disassociated, most of > time that is the case. Child molesters were hidden by the WTS for many years. Check out the www.silentlambs.org website for the truth! There were over 24,000 known child molesters in this org and no one warned the parents in the Kingdom Halls who they were. This gave them the freedom to prey on unsuspecting children and their parents. JV >> "Planck" another Jabriol (Antonio L Santana) sock-puppet > <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JV Hmm. The only JW I have come across are the ones who lived in urban areas, had nice jobs not any different from next in line or ealry-20's kids trying to pursuade conversion. Didn't know it was cult-like. >> Child molesters were hidden by the WTS for many years. Check out the >> www.silentlambs.org website for the truth! There were over 24,000 known [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hmm. The only JW I have come across are the ones who lived in urban areas, > had nice jobs Yes, some of them ignore or ignored the WTS's advice to bypass college and do get education's. not any different from next in line or ealry-20's kids trying > to pursuade conversion. Didn't know it was cult-like. Nor did I until I got involved with them.........  Signature....... Do........ Actually I think they believe their Man is in heaven among the 144,000 ones. Why wouldn't he be, as he invented miracle wheat, special cotton, and a unique bean, also he had a cure for cancer! He never slept with his wife, talked to spirits, ending up dying of Syphilis, and now lies buried underneath a masonry pyramid. Nice foundation of the only TRUE religion, I must say... (Credit Vero) ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ http://www.cftf.com/1914/ Guess you got way too close for comfort. >>> Child molesters were hidden by the WTS for many years. Check out the >>> www.silentlambs.org website for the truth! There were over 24,000 known [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Nor did I until I got involved with them......... > Do........ > Actually I think they believe their Man is in heaven among the 144,000 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > masonry > pyramid. Why do these people continue to repeat these lies? See what I posted earlier: http://tinyurl.com/jjuoo For the truth about Charles Taze Russell, see: http://reslight.net/l-russell.html Christian love, Ronald >> Do........ >> Actually I think they believe their Man is in heaven among the 144,000 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Why do these people continue to repeat these lies? Yes, one gets a chilling insight into the minds and hearts of the sociopaths on this newsgroup through outrageous lies against those who are deceased and not here to defend themselves. > >> Do........ > >> Actually I think they believe their Man is in heaven among the 144,000 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > on this newsgroup through outrageous lies against those who are deceased and > not here to defend themselves. You guys are talking about Carol.. ever know her to post anything truthful? She fustrated that Armageddon did not come and kill all the people she hated. Why else would she hang out with JW's for 20 years? > "Planck" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What about from a societal point of view? It doesn't matter. > >Point is that JW should not be prohibited of having kids and consider them > >negligent because they do not want blood transfusions. That is not ethical. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > better or worse. And are there judges who sterilized anybody for refusing > blood transfusions? I doubt it. Which is the case in point Child endangerment. Did you know that some states will not allow JW's to adopt a child due to the very nature of.. "what if a medical emergency where blood transfusion is needed" dilema. If Adoption agencies delives that Jw's make poor parents, why will a judge, senate or congress be any different? > Should they be brought to justice if they > are found to be negligent, even if it was due to their religious (or cult) > beliefs -- Hell, yeah. But not to be considered negligent apriori. see my comment above. > >Sperm has potential to become a child. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > calling "aborting" a "killing" will bring about an abortion debate, which I > do not feel like continuing. still we adefining child endangerment. > >Def. would not remove kids, but would make mandatory counseling for parents > > ====> Why? Are they or Parents or not? > > Ultra radical methods should be used in ultra radical situation, not every > single one. All P\practicing JW's believe the same. > All P\practicing JW's believe the same. ======================= Any JW who DARES to believe differently is Disfellowshipped and shunned like a Leper by this cult. Been there and seen it happen. That's why I keep telling lurkers not to allow the JWs to isolate them from normal people in their lives. This way the WTS can't hold DFing and shunning over their heads to keep control over them. SignatureDo......... http://silentlambs.org www.freeminds.org http://dbhome.dk/carlo/ secret Elder's Manual ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* Why are you posting as legitimate woman posters Jabbers? Marie > > "Planck" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message > > > > >So, adulterers and child molesters are in the same category is those HIS HEADERS) Had to change thread direction Antonio L Santana now using sock puppets and legitimate poster's NYMs, all women from ARJ-W and RP. Please remove all irrelevant NGs if you must reply to this nym-stealing, nym-shifting troll. Thanks.......... > HIS HEADERS) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks.......... Another Infantile outburst from Carolyn Adamo Gulley aka Anna Mae Dawson 3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806 Phone 615-459-9345 she has been caught in various vicious lies! Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details. http://tinyurl.com/99azt http://tinyurl.com/87ow4 http://tinyurl.com/d6t5m http://tinyurl.com/aheek http://tinyurl.com/ck97r http://tinyurl.com/cm3dp http://tinyurl.com/8bscg http://tinyurl.com/7epdg http://tinyurl.com/bya3z When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking http://tinyurl.com/8wryt She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing. Her intent on ARJW is to slander JW's Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one. _Where does she get her information? _Can her information be verified? _Is the information up to date? _What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost every country in the world? Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in participating with her distributing false information elsewhere. Facts about Carol: *She can never present evidence. *She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none). Her common reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why bring it up? *She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid killfiles. A TOS offense *She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail addresses ;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them: techsupport@direcpc.com If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off topic you can report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and you may report her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at techsupport@direcpc.com, or by writing to: DirecPC Customer Care Center 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 USA Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account. No American ISP like to be associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected under the First. It affects their commercial interest. Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their block List Direcpc.com Why does Carol behave as she does? Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Mt Juliet Tn. Is a life long underachiever. She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a biker gangsters in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her former website that she has 2 failed marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with no place to go. She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain their moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at war with them ever since. This has made her a very mentally unstable woman, her hatred is intense, and due to biker-substance abuse lifestyle, she now needs aid of a pacemaker. By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries., and that you the reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person. Carol as Many other former and disgruntled JW's family members will INDICATE that JW's and/or the WTBTS are wrong or at fault no matter the topic, the proof, or the evidence. As with Carol and other anti-jw's already "know" the reality, and do nothing but work backwards from said private reality with respect to a given WTBTS/JW related matter, presenting anything and everything even remotely closely apparently confirming their a priori conviction as "proof" that they were "right all along". A good example is ant-jw's fetish for reposting "excerpts" of articles which simply declare that one or more wrong/evil-doers "is"/"are" Jehovah's Witnesses, with ZERO proof/evidence that said alleged wrong/evil-doers actually make any attempt at all to live the alleged godly principles allegedly embodied in the teaching(s) of the WTBTS. One may as well post an excerpt of an article that says, "four teenagers girls - who are *WHITE* - were caught stealing Eminem CD's from Tower Records", in hopes of convincing the audience that said excerpt "proves" something about "whiteness". What does the "Jehovah's Witness" label mean, if there's no proof/evidence that those it's applied to in one of these "excerpts" is anything more than a JW in name/label only? Do we look at someone that tries to run 26 miles right off the bat, with no training, and keels over, and say, "See? Now we KNOW that runners are screwed up!" No, we don't. Or shouldn't. But that's the kind of currency that the Carol's and PB's of the newsgroup deal in. replying to them is a virtual waste of bandwidth, and thee value of their post should be considered in the same light as the National Globe and other tabloids.. notice what other NON-JW's have written about Carol: "SD" <S...@steam.com> said about Carol Carol, When someone challenges you to justify your controversial claims they are not being lazy, they are calling your BS. You seem to respond with nothing but weasel tactics. I know this won't exactly break your heart, but I have no choice but to regard all the comments you've made about the WTS as unfounded wishful thinking. Acting the way you do, probably helps the organization more than hurts it. I can only think of two reasons for one to constantly change their name as you do. Neither one paints you in a particularly good light. Maybe you should take a ride on that Yamaha of yours and clear your head. She's here to subject her ranting to as many people as she can. She's not here for honest discussion or debate. She just wants to make noise, and lots of it > Another Infantile outburst from Antonio L Santana of Camden NJ aka stolen > nym "Koi-lo" <geister@mailinator.com . ------------------------------------------------ This is the NYM-SHIFTING net-stalker better known as Jabriol trying to silence Carol. NOTE: If this stalker approaches you and offers payment to damage our property or the property of others he's trying to harm you can call the Camden Police. Ask for Det. Gibson who is already familiar with Jabriol's net-stalking and death threats. Jabriol's real name is Antonio L. Santana. The Camden Police already have his last known address and phone number. In TN refer to case # 05111257160. NOTE: I am not the daughter he abused. Antonio L. Santana-Candia 60+ Dark skinned Hispanic male father of Revis and Antonio Jr 3072 S. Constitution Rd. Camden NJ Phone 856 962-9003 Attends Church of Jehovahs Witnesses Spanish Speaking Congragation Camden NJ (609) 859-2797 (856) 342-8743 (856) 541-8747 Sponsor results by Intelius: Antonio Santana's Current Unlisted Phone Number, Address & Address History Found - Information was found in public records with Current Unlisted Phone Number, Address, Age, Date of Birth, Address History and Family Members. See: www.intelius.com Advanced People Search Includes all People Search Results for Antonio L. Santana in NJ state. Address History for Antonio Santana in NJ state includes at least one of the following records: 3 Records in CAMDEN, NJ Unlisted Number current address: https://find.intelius.com/purchase.php Advanced People Search Includes 20 Year Address History Relatives & Roommates Alias Names Neighbors Much More... From: jabr...@juno.com - Find messages by this author Date: 1999/06/06 message ID: <928697419.540.40@news.remarQ.com Subject: Re: Outing & DF'ing pest/spammer Jabriol "Jabbering Missing Link" wow who ever said I was hidding? Let me help you out here. My name is Antonio L. Santana Jr. my Address is: 3072 s.contitution rd Camden nj. The Camden Police already have his last known address and phone number. Camden NJ Police Det. Gibson One Police Plaza Camden, NJ 08103 Phone: 856-757-7474 Fax: 856-757-0145 Or the: Rutherford County Sheriff's Office 940 New Salem Highway Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37129 615-898-7770 ----=============================--- Isn't this the Jehovah's Witness Antonio L Santana the NYM-SHIFTING net-stalker better known as Jabriol trying to silence Carol? NOTE: If this stalker approaches you and offers payment to damage our property or the property of others he's trying to harm you can call the Camden Police. Ask for Det. Gibson who is already familiar with Jabriol's net-stalking and death threats. Jabriol's real name is Antonio L. Santana. The Camden Police already have his last known address and phone number. In TN refer to case # 05111257160. NOTE: I am not the daughter he abused. Antonio L. Santana-Candia 60+ Dark skinned Hispanic male father of Revis and Antonio Jr 3072 S. Constitution Rd. Camden NJ Phone 856 962-9003 Attends Church of Jehovahs Witnesses Spanish Speaking Congragation Camden NJ (609) 859-2797 (856) 342-8743 (856) 541-8747 Sponsor results by Intelius: Antonio Santana's Current Unlisted Phone Number, Address & Address History Found - Information was found in public records with Current Unlisted Phone Number, Address, Age, Date of Birth, Address History and Family Members. See: www.intelius.com Advanced People Search Includes all People Search Results for Antonio L. Santana in NJ state. Address History for Antonio Santana in NJ state includes at least one of the following records: 3 Records in CAMDEN, NJ Unlisted Number current address: https://find.intelius.com/purchase.php Advanced People Search Includes 20 Year Address History Relatives & Roommates Alias Names Neighbors Much More... From: jabr...@juno.com - Find messages by this author Date: 1999/06/06 message ID: <928697419.540.40@news.remarQ.com Subject: Re: Outing & DF'ing pest/spammer Jabriol "Jabbering Missing Link" wow who ever said I was hidding? Let me help you out here. My name is Antonio L. Santana Jr. my Address is: 3072 s.contitution rd Camden nj. The Camden Police already have his last known address and phone number. Camden NJ Police Det. Gibson One Police Plaza Camden, NJ 08103 Phone: 856-757-7474 Fax: 856-757-0145 Or the: Rutherford County Sheriff's Office 940 New Salem Highway Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37129 615-898-7770 ----=============================--- Why not leave the poor woman alone? She's not one of Jehovah's Witnesses so I don't get why you seem to be obsessed with her? Are YOU still claiming to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses? The Witch just accused Jabriol of Abusing his daughter. In my Book that is called Slander. would you leave it alone? She interrupts every thread with her mental illness because she can't live without stalking Jabriol. She just pass the line. She can not say she did not write this. But slander is intended to hurt ones reputation. And now it is time to a stop to it. I would suggest now that you do not interfere. > Why not leave the poor woman alone? She's not one of Jehovah's Witnesses so > I don't get why you seem to be obsessed with her? Are YOU still claiming to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** > ---------------------------------------------------------- > The Witch just accused Jabriol of Abusing his daughter. In my Book that > is called Slander. And you JABRIOL accused CAROL's husband and son of raping children and a black lady, yet you never called the Police. What were you doing while you watched those rapes from 900 miles away in NJ? In my book that is called slander and defamation of character. Stop pretending to speak for Jabriol when you ARE Jabriol. Seek help! Your SSD will pay for it. SignatureMarie.......... THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' CLAIMS, BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS Prepared by PB may be found at the following websites:- http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm >>> * <<< >>> * <<< >>> * <<< >>> * <<< >The Witch just accused Jabriol of Abusing his daughter. In my Book that >is called Slander. Your book needs work. Written accusations are libel. Spoken words are slander. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >would you leave it alone? She interrupts every thread with her mental >illness because she can't live without stalking Jabriol. She just pass [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > The Witch just accused Jabriol of Abusing his daughter. In my Book that > is called Slander. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > intended to hurt ones reputation. And now it is time to a stop to it. > I would suggest now that you do not interfere. You've both accused one another of terrible things across a wide swath of Usenet's unwitting audience.The United States of America has the greatest legal system in the modern world where you can take these grievances and verbally thresh them out. I behoove you to take this battle into the court of proper jurisdiction and away from usenet. Use the legal system to resolve this conflict before passion and rage takes you both even further down the road to ruin. > You've both accused one another of terrible things across a wide swath of > Usenet's unwitting audience. EXCUSE me,.... I never accused your brother JW Antonio L Santana/Jabriol of anything he hasn't posted freely on Usenet such as encouraging the depressed to commit suicide. See Chris Dubose fiasco for that one. OTOH your fine brother JW has accused us of rape, child prostitution abuse and neglect, sodomy of a child and the rape of a black women. Want some proof? Here's a SMALL sample. He's also accused me of being a prostitute. From: Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL)gives a fine "witness." Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs- witn,alt.talk.creationism,alt.atheism,alt.feminism,talk.abortion Subject: Re: Was it God's Fault that carol allowed her son to be sodomized from her second husband? sure.. I know now you get ugly and nasty and I strike up the truth... you are really mad that you have a bastard negro child, a dishonor to the lithuanian community. everyone know that you grandchild is a result of your son raping a crack-whore.. me guess You are going to blem God for that one too. And what about this one? ---- Original Message ----- From: "jabriol" <jabr...@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1113049699.796418.261...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.154.80.14 Subject: Re: fornication! CArol the coward standing behind annon remailers again. of course, she has to do so to hide from the lawsuit. or maybe she hides because she don't want revealed how her husband, banged son and grand son in her own bed, while she was feeding her fish. Unlike her I have no need to hide behind a remailer, and if what I say is not true, they can come to camden and sue... if they survive the night. did not know her husband was a Michael Jackson wanna be. The United States of America has the greatest > legal system in the modern world where you can take these grievances and > verbally thresh them out. He can't because of posts like the above. What do you think his lawyer or a judge would say when he sees about 20 similar messages from your JW brother Antonio L Santana? > I behoove you to take this battle into the court of proper jurisdiction > and away from usenet. Use the legal system to resolve this conflict before > passion and rage takes you both even further down the road to ruin. Your obsessed brother Antonio/Jabriol (of Camden NJ) has already threatened me more than once and has been reported to the police. All he has to do now is act on his DEATH THREATS and they will make their move. Carol.......... > Why not leave the poor woman alone? She's not one of Jehovah's Witnesses so > I don't get why you seem to be obsessed with her? Are YOU still claiming to > be one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Yes, he claims to attend the Spanish Speaking congregation in Camden NJ and he is known there. He cannot control his obsession. He's at the point of needing some therapy, some professional help as this can't be good for his serious neurological disorder. SignatureMarie....... THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' CLAIMS, BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS Prepared by PB may be found at the following websites:- http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm >>> * <<< >>> * <<< >>> * <<< >>> * <<< > Why not leave the poor woman alone? She's not one of Jehovah's Witnesses > so I don't get why you seem to be obsessed with her? Are YOU still > claiming to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses? ======================== You're right. Even his brother JWs don't agree with the slander and defamation of character their Watchtower spokesperson Antonio L Santana engages in here on Usenet such as: From: Jabriol@excite.com (Antonio L Santana) gives a fine "witness." (AKA Zhavriol" <zodriol@gmail.com) Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs- witn,alt.talk.creationism,alt.atheism,alt.feminism,talk.abortion Subject: Re: Was it God's Fault that carol allowed her son to be sodomized from her second husband? sure.. I know now you get ugly and nasty and I strike up the truth... you are really mad that you have a bastard negro child, a dishonor to the lithuanian community. everyone know that you grandchild is a result of your son raping a crack-whore.. me guess You are going to blem God for that one too. And what about this one? ---- Original Message ----- From: "jabriol" <jabr...@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1113049699.796418.261...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.154.80.14 Subject: Re: fornication! CArol the coward standing behind annon remailers again. of course, she has to do so to hide from the lawsuit. or maybe she hides because she don't want revealed how her husband, banged son and grand son in her own bed, while she was feeding her fish. Unlike her I have no need to hide behind a remailer, and if what I say is not true, they can come to camden and sue... if they survive the night. did not know her husband was a Michael Jackson wanna be. =-------------------------- Nor do they agree with Antonio's death threats against CAROL. Do........ Another death threat from Antonio L Santana/Jehovah's Witness ID: <1143332829.898493.270490@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> From: <Xabriol@gmail.com> Jabriol Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:27 PM > You are doomed Carol. And they will just pick up the pieces. did you > write your will and testement yet? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Was taht guy ever arrested and charged or nada? >> Why not leave the poor woman alone? She's not one of Jehovah's Witnesses >> so I don't get why you seem to be obsessed with her? Are YOU still [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> write your will and testement yet? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Was taht guy ever arrested and charged or nada? ================= They don't arrest people here for just *threatening* their victims. They must wait until he "acts"..... right now it is apparent he's trying to locate someone on Usenet to do his dirty work for him. As a Jehovah's Witness he wants to keep his own hands clean like in the Chris DuBose suicide case. He words his messages and comments carefully to sidestep the law but the Police aren't the idiots he claims they are. All criminals make fun of the police and call them fools and jerks..... and yet our prisons are full. SignatureDo........ "If heaven were made the receptacle of the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS, it would cease to be heaven to a considerable extent, and become a pandemonium .. billions of ignorant, imbecile and degraded .. never formed characters [not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > Do........ > "If heaven were made the receptacle of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > [not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Since none of these were in race for the high calling to begin with, why would any of these be fit to judge the world of mankind? Charles Taze Russell is right in the above statements. Praise God that the future of mankind is not being placed in the hands of the ignorant, imbeciles, or the sin-ladden degraded, who have not formed characters of Christ-likeness! The quote, however, is out of context and misrepresents what Mr. Russell was actually saying. http://reslight.net/infantsinheaven.html Christian love, Ronald >> Do........ >> "If heaven were made the receptacle of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Since none of these were in race for the high calling to begin with, why > would any of these be fit to judge the world of mankind? Where does it say they SHOULD or WOULD judge mankind? He says, "made the receptacle of" and not the JUDGES.... Charles Taze > Russell is right in the above statements. Praise God that the future of > mankind is not being placed in the hands of the ignorant, imbeciles, or > the sin-ladden degraded, That's not what it says - read it again. who have not formed characters of Christ-likeness! The > quote, however, is out of context and misrepresents what Mr. Russell was > actually saying. > http://reslight.net/infantsinheaven.html Out of context? It's quite a statement in and of itself........ he made it clear he believed only healthy, normal adults got to heaven. > Christian love, Yes, lets remember the Crusades, the Inquisition and, more recently, what the good Christians did to the American Indians and Eskimos, the south American Natives.......... > Ronald SignatureDo.............. There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed. ======================================== > Where does it say they SHOULD or WOULD judge mankind? He says, "made the > receptacle of" and not the JUDGES.... ====== Rejecting the Scriptural proposition, that the Church is being selected from the world for the purpose of blessing, instructing, ruling and judging the world during its Millennial "day of judgment," Mr. Talmage assumes without any Scriptural warrant that the judgment of the world will end with this age with the coming of the Judge to the throne, and that then earth's billions will be sentenced without having known that they were on trial or that there is hope for them (Eph. 2:12; 2 Cor. 4:4), and that then this great multitude will be given over to the instruction of Satan and his under demons. Not only is such a view unreasonable, but there is no Scripture to this effect, while there are many quite to the contrary,--showing that in the end of this age Satan shall be bound that "he may deceive the nations no more" for a thousand years; that then Christ and the glorified Church shall reign in righteousness, that "his reign shall be glorious" (Isa. 24:23) and shall witness the complete overthrow of sin and every enemy of righteousness; for Christ must "reign until he shall have put all enemies under his feet." (1 Cor. 15:25-28.) The same lesson is also clearly taught in our Lord's prayer: "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is done in heaven." Where, then, is the basis for Mr. Talmage's suggestion of a College Inferno of which Satan is the President and the under demons professors to have charge of the race? Truly, that would be a hopeless condition. But the Scriptures cited, and to be cited, prove that God's plan is the reverse of this,--to take the race completely out of the hands of "the Prince of this world" and to place it in "the world to come" absolutely under the control of the Prince of Light, "the Lord, the righteous Judge," who with his glorified Church will constitute a "Royal Priesthood," prepared by trials and temptations to sympathize with and assist the poor, degraded but blood-bought race: to bless them with an accurate knowledge of the truth and "times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets."--Acts 3:19-21. **** This special class now called, chosen, and found faithful, are called "God's elect." God is choosing them for a purpose,--a good purpose, a grand purpose, a holy purpose. He is not choosing this "little flock" to sit in glory and (as described by Jonathan Edwards) to look over the battlements of heaven and see the great mass of humanity in eternal torment and to praise God for their own deliverance from such a fate; but he is electing them in order that through them, with Christ Jesus, as the elect and foreordained "Seed of Abraham," "all the families of the earth [shall] be blessed." ===== This thought is expressed continously throughout the writings of Charles Taze Russell, that is, that the saints, being selected in this age, will be the ones who will bless and judge the world in the age to come. Praise Yah! > Charles Taze >> Russell is right in the above statements. Praise God that the future of >> mankind is not being placed in the hands of the ignorant, imbeciles, or >> the sin-ladden degraded, > > That's not what it says - read it again. That where the context is important. Selecting a few words out of context does indeed leave the wrong impression in the minds of most people. Look at the context. Russell did teach that the savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and infants will be blessed by that heavenly rulership along with the billions of ignorant heathen in the day of jdugment, when they are raised to life back here on the earth. When one gets the complete picture of what Russell was talking about it presents the opposite impression than that those who circulate the above quote want people to think. > Out of context? It's quite a statement in and of itself........ he made > it clear he believed only healthy, normal adults got to heaven. No, he made it clear that only those being chosen and elected, fitted, made ready, by God would go to heaven. Read the context. The entire article is online at: http://reslight.net/infantsinheaven.html Christian love, Ronald > This thought is expressed continously throughout the writings of Charles > Taze Russell, that is, that the saints, being selected in this age, will > be the ones who will bless and judge the world in the age to come. Praise > Yah! The bible doesn't say anyone will be judged by saints. >> Charles Taze >>> Russell is right in the above statements. Praise God that the future of >>> mankind is not being placed in the hands of the ignorant, imbeciles, or >>> the sin-ladden degraded, >> >> That's not what it says - read it again. You're talking about something entirely different than Heaven being the "receptacle of a certain class of people" and have switched to *judging.* Being a receptacle of something or someone doesn't mean being in judgment of it or them. SignatureNu.............. "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo] ================================ > The bible doesn't say anyone will be judged by saints. The saints [dedicated ones] will rule with him over the earth in 1,000-year judgment day and assist in judging the world, offering to them "the water of life freely." -- Daniel 7:22,27; 1 Corinthians 6:2; Obadiah 21; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:29,30; Romans 8:16-21; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; Revelation 3:21; 5:9,10; 20:4,6; 22:17. the saints will judge the world -- 1 Corinthians 6:2 we [the saints] will judge angels -- 1 Corinthians 6:3 Daniel 7:22 -- judgment [authority to judge] was given to the saints of the Most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. -- World English Bible The authority judge is to be given to the saints. Jesus spoke of himself similarly: neither does the Father judge any man, but he has given all judgment [authority to judge] to the Son, -- John 5:22 I appoint to you a kingdom, even as my Father appointed to me, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom. You will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. -- Luke 22:29,30 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment [authority to judge] was given to them. -- Revelation 20:4. According to Yahweh's oath-bound promise, Abraham's seed, that is, Christ and all the "sons of God", will bless "all the families of the earth." This blessing will come to the world during the 1,000-year reign. -- Genesis 12:3; 22:16-18; Galatians 3:7-9,16,29; Hebrews 6:13-20; Acts 3:19-25. http://reslight.net/course.html > You're talking about something entirely different than Heaven being the > "receptacle of a certain class of people" and have switched to *judging.* > Being a receptacle of something or someone doesn't mean being in judgment > of it or them. Read the information at: http://reslight.net/infantsinheaven.html again. Evidently you are missing the entire point. I am pointing out that Russell's statement is taken out of context, leaving a false impression, especially if one reads into the statement taken out context the false doctrine that either one goes to heaven or else one will suffer for all eternity in some imagined place. Jesus did not die for the world to bring the world to heaven, but to the paradise restored on the earth. Those who are selected in this age to go to heaven are an exception, in that they receive the power of the age to come in this present evil world, giving them justification for the purpose of sacrificing their living bodies to be rule and judge with Jesus in the kingdom. How else can I show this except to show what he was actually talking about in the context? Of course, if the traditional idea that one either goes to heaven or else goes to be eternally tortured when they die should be true, then the statement of Russell would have been a horrible statement, but that is not what Mr. Russell was talking about. Mr. Russell did not believe in such, yet he did believe that "heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and infants" are saved by means of the ransom for all as given by Jesus, that all of these will come forth in the resurrection on earth to be blessed by God's kingdom during the millennial age. Mr. Russell believed and scripturally taught that those who go to heaven will be those who have proven fit [by fit, Mr. Russell meant "made ready" as one of the meanings given for "fit" -- Webster] to rule by forming characters conformed to the fruits of the spirit -- called, chosen and faithful (Galatians 5:18-26; Ephesians 5:9,10; Revelation 17:14); all others, including all of those he described, are not fit [made ready, trained] to inherit, that is, to be rulers in the kingdom, thus will not go to heaven to rule with Christ, and this includes all heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and infants. God has not made any offer make heaven the receptacle for such people, as many seem to think. None of these have developed the fruits of the spirit. (Galatians 5:22-24) None of these are fit [made ready] to rule in the kingdom as the saints are to do (Daniel 7:22,27), thus are not made ready to be companions of the saints in this work. Yet all these will be blessed by Jesus and the church during the millennial rulership of the kingdom. And as Mr. Russell shows, God's way is better. One might also read Russell's discourse on: A Covenant With Death Pastor's Russell's Sermons, page 107 This entire book can be found online at: http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/russell/Sermons.pdf or http://www.biblestudents.net/studies/harvestmessage/sermons.pdf or http://www.reexamine.org/images/sermons.pdf Christian love, Ronald >> The bible doesn't say anyone will be judged by saints. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > we [the saints] will judge angels -- 1 Corinthians 6:3 Whattaya know, it sure does. No god or Jesus involved or NEEDED so you may as well start praying to the saints. > Daniel 7:22 -- judgment [authority to judge] was given to the saints of > the Most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. -- > World English Bible Well there you have it! Can this killer god - and move on....... :-) SignatureDu........ Examples of FINE SPIRITUAL FOOD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME FROM "THE SLAVE": "We need not here repeat the evidences that the 'seventh trump' began its sounding in A.D. 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble" {WT Nov 1880 p1}; "masturbation is no mere innocent pastime but rather a practice that can lead to homosexual acts" {WT May 15 1970 p315; also WT Oct 1 1970 p604}; "If heaven were made the receptacle of the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS, it would cease to be heaven to a considerable extent, and become a pandemonium .. billions of ignorant, imbecile and degraded .. never formed characters [not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Whattaya know, it sure does. No god or Jesus involved or NEEDED so you > may as well start praying to the saints. Nothing is said about praying to saints. >> Daniel 7:22 -- judgment [authority to judge] was given to the saints of >> the Most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the >> kingdom. -- World English Bible > > Well there you have it! Can this killer god - and move on....... :-) 1 Corinthians 15:21 - For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man. 1 Corinthians 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:17 For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. John 12:47 - If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn't believe, I don't judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. John 12:48 - He who rejects me, and doesn't receive my sayings, has one who judges him. The word that I spoke, the same will judge him in the last day [without the deceptions of Satan -- Revelation 20:1-4; including all the infants, idiots, heathen, etc.]. Acts 17:31 - because he [Yahweh] has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men [including all who are dying in Adam (1 Corinthians 15:21,22): infants heathen, insane, etc.], in that he has raised him from the dead. In that "last day", the "day of judgment": Isaiah 2:2 - It shall happen in the latter days, that the mountain of Yahweh's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be raised above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. Isaiah 2:3 - Many peoples shall go and say, "Come, let's go up to the mountain of Yahweh, To the house of the God of Jacob; And he will teach us of his ways, And we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem. Isaiah 2:4 - He [Yahweh comes to judge the world -- the earth -- by means of Jesus and the saints -- Psalm 96:13; 98:9; Isaiah 32:1; Acts 17:31] will judge between the nations [heathen - Matthew 25:32; when God's judgments are in the earth, the people learn righteousness -- Isaiah 26:9], And will decide concerning many peoples; And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning-hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war any more. Romans 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. -- NASV Romans 5:15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. Romans 5:16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. Romans 5:17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men [including all the heathen, idiots, infants, etc.]. Romans 5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many [including all the heathen, idiots, infants, etc.] will be made righteous. -- NASV Thus all men, now judged and dying in Adam, will be blessed by a resurrection of the dead, and all the heathen, infants, idiots will be given an accounting of righteousness in that "last day", through which they will learn the ways of Yahweh, and then by judged, not through Adam's sin, but by the things revealed in the books that are opened to them in that "last day". -- Revelation 20:12. Christian love, Ronald >> Whattaya know, it sure does. No god or Jesus involved or NEEDED so you >> may as well start praying to the saints. > > Nothing is said about praying to saints. No use praying to gods when it's the saints that are going to judge you - never mind the bible itself says, "Judge not least ye be judged." Who judges the judges? It's all nonsense. :-)) >>> Daniel 7:22 -- judgment [authority to judge] was given to the saints of >>> the Most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the >>> kingdom. -- World English Bible >> >> Well there you have it! Can this killer god - and move on....... :-) Snip bible babble that's been recopied and reinterpreted so many times no one can know what the original scrolls claimed. You just said the saints will judge everyone. SignatureNu....... "Where two or three are gathered together in MY name, I am in their midst:" [Matt 18:20] No Watchtower Society needed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~~<{@ >> The bible doesn't say anyone will be judged by saints. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 21; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:29,30; Romans 8:16-21; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; > Revelation 3:21; 5:9,10; 20:4,6; 22:17. ===================== See? No god needed to be *saved* from god. Just pray to the saints. The Catholics can tell you who the saints are...... So how do you figure these saints will judge the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS mentioned below? Do they all get tossed into the WTS's lake-of-fire? After all we can't have pandemonium in heaven. SignatureDu........ Examples of FINE SPIRITUAL FOOD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME FROM "THE SLAVE": "We need not here repeat the evidences that the 'seventh trump' began its sounding in A.D. 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble" {WT Nov 1880 p1}; "masturbation is no mere innocent pastime but rather a practice that can lead to homosexual acts" {WT May 15 1970 p315; also WT Oct 1 1970 p604}; "If heaven were made the receptacle of the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS, it would cease to be heaven to a considerable extent, and become a pandemonium .. billions of ignorant, imbecile and degraded .. never formed characters [not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > So how do you figure these saints will judge the heathen, savages, > barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS mentioned below? Do > they all get tossed into the WTS's lake-of-fire? After all we can't have > pandemonium in heaven. The judgment day of the world is meant for a blessing of the world, a time of joy and rejoicing, not a curse: Thus when Yahweh comes to judge the world by means of his Son, and the joint-heirs with Christ, we read: Psalm 96:10 Say among the nations, "Yahweh reigns." The world is also established. It can't be moved. He will judge the peoples with equity. Psalm 96:11 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice. Let the sea roar, and the fullness of it! Psalm 96:12 Let the field exult, and all that is therein. Then shall all the trees of the wood sing for joy Psalm 96:13 Before Yahweh; for he comes, For he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, The peoples with his truth. Yes, the blessing of that age to come will more than offset the night gloom in this age. The reign of Christ during the Millennium will be for the purpose of lifting up as many of mankind as will then desire to come back into full harmony with Yahweh, lifting them up out of the mire of sin and out the miry clay and horrible pit of sin and death, lifting them up to all that Adam was before he sinned - to the image and likeness of their Creator. This the apostle Paul designates as the times of "restoration" (Acts 3:20,21), which he tells us takes place during Christ's return. I did not know the Watchtower had a "lake of fire". Nevertheless, the Bible does speak of the "lake of fire", and the Bible tells us that this lake of fire means "the second death". The sentence to the "lake of fire" belongs to the age to come. No one will go into that lake of fire who has not first received the benefits of ransom. Thus all who are dying in Christ will be made alive, and will receive the blessings of the age to come. (There are believers of this present evil age (Galatians 1:4) who receive powers of the age to come -- Hebrews 6:5) Those infants, insane ones, ignorant, etc., will be given every opportunity to learn the ways of Yahweh and to walk in the paths of Yahweh, without the deceptions of Satan that now hinders the vast majority of mankind. (Isaiah 2:3; 35:9; Revelation 20:1-4) The "way" at that time will be made so plain, that "wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein." (Isaiah 35:8, King James Version) At that time, when Jesus with righteouenss will judge (Isaiah 11:4), "the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah 11:6) When God judges the world through Jesus, it will be as Isaiah 26:9 states: "when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness." Those who are raised at time includes all those infants, idiots, heathen, insane, etc., who have died in Adam. At that time all of the world's ills will be gradually removed. The blinding vail of ignorance (1 Corinthians 4:3,4), now covering the earth (Isaiah 60:2), will be removed. (Isaiah 25:7) The entire earth will be changed to almost the opposite of what it is today. Thus, when those infants, idiots, insane, heathen, etc., that Brother Russell spoke of, are raised from their sleep of death, they will be raised in a paradise -- a "land of uprightness" (Isaiah 25:10), as though the Garden of Eden was restored on earth. -- Isaiah 11:7-9; Revelation 21:1-5. The curse now upon mankind will be no more. (Revelation 22:3) They will not be raised with the same illnesses, sicknesses and diseased bodies they died in, but will be raised in the glory of an earthly body that Paul spoke of. -- 1 Corinthians 15:35-40. They will be then able to learn the ways of Yahweh, and know righteousness, for in the age to come, instead of it being an "evil age" (Galatians 1:4), it will be as spoken of by Peter (2 Peter 3:13): "according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which dwells righteousness." Then, "The inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people who dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity." (Isaiah 33:24) "Then shall the lame man leap as a hart, and the tongue of the mute shall sing; for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." -- Isaiah 35:6. With bodies unhindered with sickness, no deformities, no damaged brains, etc., and without all the hinderance of this age removed, they will be given every opportunity to know Yahweh and his Son Jesus so as to live forever. However, Isaiah also states: "Let favor be shown to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness; in the land of uprightness will he deal wrongfully, and will not see the majesty of Yahweh." (Isaiah 26:10) The Bible often uses the same word with slightly different meanings, especially to show contrast, and this is done in Isaiah 26:9,10 with the word "righteousness". While all will be taught the ways of Yahweh -- learning what is right -- not all will set their heart to learn to *do* what is right, thus in that coming age -- the land of uprightness -- there will be those who will be ready to follow Satan when he is let loose after that judgment day. (Revelation 20:7-9) Much of the "things" spoken of in Revelation are symbolic, so I cannot say exactly how this will be fulfilled, but it does indicate that these who follow Satan at that time are the ones who are to be figuratively thrown into the lake of fire, the second death -- a death for which no ransom will be provided. I recommend a study of: http://reslight.net/armageddon.html and http://reslight.net/course.html Christian love, Ronald >> The bible doesn't say anyone will be judged by saints. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >19:28; Luke 22:29,30; Romans 8:16-21; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; Revelation 3:21; >5:9,10; 20:4,6; 22:17. That was 1000 years ago. Didn't happen. SignatureRay Fischer rfischer@sonic.net >>> The bible doesn't say anyone will be judged by saints. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That was 1000 years ago. Didn't happen. No, it hasn't happened yet. The scriptures show that the resurrection and blessings of world would not happen until after there would be a falling away. (Matthew 13:24-30; Acts 20:29,30; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3,4) "For it will not be, unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin [more correctly, illegal one] is revealed, the son of destruction." (2 Thessalonians 2:3) This falling away had already begun in the first century, with some receiving a different spirit and preaching "another Jesus"; the apostasy was restrained for only a short while. (2 Thessalonians 2:7; 1 John 2:18,19; 2 Corinthians 11:4) The apostasy spread rapidly after the death the apostles and developed into the great "Man of Sin", or more correctly "Lawless Man", or "Illegal Man", a great religious system, which claimed to have the authority to add to God's Word since their new revelation was allegedly of God's Spirit. The day in which the world will be enlightened is called in the Bible the "day of judgment" (Matthew 11:22,24); it is also referred to as "the last day". (John 12:47,48) It is not a 24-hour day, but as shown in 2 Peter 3:7,8, it is a day that lasts 1000 years. During that judgment day the inhabitants of the earth will learn righteousness. -- Isaiah 26:9. What now stands in the way of the enlightenment of world? -1- Satan the Devil puts evil thoughts and desires into men's minds and hearts. Hence, if the world is to be enlightened, Satan must be removed that he might not use his power to mislead people. (Revelation 20:2,3) -2- Imperfect missionaries now lack the power and means to accomplish the work. Worldly governments interfere. It will not be so in that Millennial day, for the entire world will then be under the control of Jesus and his authorized agents. (Daniel 2:35,44; Isaiah 11:9; Psalm 72:2-8) -3- Suitably trained teachers must be chosen. Men have thought that they could chose and train them, but only God can do that, and instead of a three or four years' training, it takes all of a dedicated lifetime (Romans 8:18,19; 1 Thessalonians 2:12; 1 Corinthians 6:2; Isaiah 26:9). -4- Ignorance, darkness, confusion prevail now, and there are many confusing, contradictory, false religious teachings; but in that day the knowledge of God will fill the whole earth, and all will know him. (Isaiah 11:9; Jeremiah 31:34) The Good News message contained in the Bible will come out of its obscurity as its message is made plain (2 Corinthians. 4:4; 1 Corinthians. 11:13-15). Will God give mankind a new Bible? Probably not. However, provisions will be made so that its books will be opened and all will be judged by the things written in those books (Revelation 20:12,13; Isaiah 2:2-4; 29:18). God will remove the vail that is spread over all nations (Isaiah 25:7; 2 Corinthians 4:3). The way will then be made so plain that even a foolish man will not err therein (Isaiah 35:8). Now the message of Good News is so obscure that even the wise men stumble at it (John 6:60,61). Yes, the day of judgment is coming, when Jesus will judge the world in righteousness -- Acts 17:31. http://reslight.net/blesses.html http://reslight.net/restorationofall.html Christian love, Ronald |
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