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Medical Forum / General / General / March 2006Calling all mouth ulcer sufferers
Please help. Hope this doesn't sound too weird or insensitive, but please can you describe to me what it's like to suffer from mouth ulcers. Please feel free to be as flowery, evocative or tangental as you like. I'm really trying to understand this subject as I am working on some communications material aimed at mouth ulcer sufferers and I don't think I can get my head into it properly unless I get some sense of how it feels. So please vent away. It doesn't matter if you only get them mildly or if you get them really badly just try to describe what it's like and what you do to cope. Thanks for your help Wom Try eating lots of fresh garden tomatoes several days in a row (with salt of course) and see what happens :-):-) ...Pete > Please help. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wom but can you describe the sensation - how it starts, how long it lasts, can you tell when they are coming? > but can you describe the sensation - how it starts, how long it lasts, > can you tell when they are coming? That's kind of tough wommie, and there are different kinds of mouth ulcers, I'm sure. If you eat too many fresh garden tomatoes, you will get sores (not even necessarily visible to any large degree) that will have a burning sensation (kind of like pouring salt on an open wound) combined with maybe a pain (although burning is a form of pain - you see its tricky, like you say). If I used to slow down on the tomatoes (haven't eaten too many of them anymore for years due to stomach problems), the mouth sores (really not sure ulcers is the right word) would go away soon (say two or three days). But remember I am just talking about sores resulting from eating too many tomatoes, and am no expert on mouth ulcers. I have many medical problems and I often can not describe my pain/discomfort (I always add the word discomfort since discomfort is another form of pain, but the pain might not be sharp for example). There are all kinds of pain (sharp, dull, throbbing, tingling, burning, etc, etc). And then there are terms like gnawing/eating pain, and there are pains associated with something like prostatitis that eat you alive, and you just can't describe it. Take care. I'm rambling again :-) ...Pete Brilliant thanks for that. Mouth sores as opposed to 'ulcers' is a really useful way to think about the condition. Do you think any of your other medical conditions are connected to them, I read that sometimes people with Chrohns (sp?) get a lot of ulcers? It is strange trying to explain discomfort and pain -again thanks for the discomfort word. Do you think there are any paralells to other conditions or cuts or bruises that could further illuminate. Don't worry if you can't. What you've given me so far is great. Thanks again Wom > Brilliant thanks for that. > > Mouth sores as opposed to 'ulcers' is a really useful way to think > about the condition. Do you think any of your other medical > conditions are connected to them, I read that sometimes people with > Chrohns (sp?) get a lot of ulcers? That's too tough to answer wommie...but (in my case) I doubt it for a mouth sore caused by eating tomatoes. Tomatoes are highly acidic and eating even one large garden tomato a day could very easily eat through the protective mucosa in your mouth and cause a sore (but not for everyone of course - it may require two a day, or three a day, etc). I'm sure you have googled "mouth ulcers", and that you know that mouth ulcers can be caused by various infections or viruses, as well as other conditions. I was just using the tomatoes as an example for what the pain may feel like. But as far as your basic question about other conditions causing problems in another part of the body, that's like infinity, and could get into so many diseases and conditions that could result in crossover problems. Just take the immune system for example (fascinating). Along with my various body problems (eg, pulmonary sarcoidosis, enlarged lymph nodes, gastro problems, uro problems), I have a serious T-4 cell deficiency (not HIV - cause unknown - I'm screwed). God only knows what I'm in for (eg, cancer) because of my T-4 cell deficiency, since the cellular immune system is purported to defend against tumor cells, as well as viruses, and some bacteria. The humoral immune system (the B-cells) basically fight bacteria. There is no doubt in my mind that my lymphocyte deficiency is related to my other health problems. Sorry, didn't mean to bore you with all that. > It is strange trying to explain discomfort and pain -again thanks for > the discomfort word. Do you think there are any paralells to other > conditions or cuts or bruises that could further illuminate. Don't > worry if you can't. What you've given me so far is great. > > Thanks again You are very welcome. Take care :-) ...Pete > Wom None of that is boring. It facts its really helpful. Great that there are people out there to share their thought and experiences. Wom >Please help. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Wom ======================= Are the mouth sores that you are discussing the same as canker sores? Thanks. Jack Well I don't know that mouth ulcers are the same as canker sores, but what I am referring to is the open sores that appear in your mouth or tongue. They can relate to small injuries (dentures, erupting teeth, sharp food, biting your cheek) or can be not related to injuries (there is some debate as to what might cause them and it may be very different for different people but potential causes include bacteria, low immune system, viruses). Does that help? If this is not the same as canker sores can you tell me what they are? Wom > Well I don't know that mouth ulcers are the same as canker sores, but > what I am referring to is the open sores that appear in your mouth or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Wom Canker sores (aphthous ulcers) look pretty much indistinguishable from traumatic ulcers under a microscope. They tend to contain strep, but while this may be related these are generally normal oral organisms. It is often possible to tell if they have traumatic origin by their location. Canker sores are generally on the loose, less-heavily keratinized tissues of the sides and undersides of the tongue, floor of mouth, inside of lips and cheeks. Ulcers on the fixed, less movable tissue of the hard palate and attached gingivae are usually herpetic. Steve  SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 |
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