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Jay Stallworth - 10 Feb 2006 02:59 GMT
Is it possible to spread herpes to a baby in childbirth?  What other
consequences might occur?
Margarita Salt - 10 Feb 2006 04:21 GMT
Jay Stallworth <jstall860@aol.com.nospam> wrote in
alt.gossip.celebrities:

> Is it possible to spread herpes to a baby in childbirth?  What other
> consequences might occur?

I think you got the WRONG newsgroup, my friend

(But the answer to your question is yes.)

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eggs - 10 Feb 2006 05:08 GMT
> Jay Stallworth <jstall860@aol.com.nospam> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
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>
> (But the answer to your question is yes.)

Take it to misc.kids.pregnancy where every possible horror of pregnancy
& childbirth is explored in great detail.

eggs.
email@email.com - 10 Feb 2006 19:02 GMT
> Jay Stallworth <jstall860@aol.com.nospam> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I think you got the WRONG newsgroup, my friend

You could turn this thread into something appropriate to this group by
naming all the celebs who probably have herpes.  Or who have something else.

As I understand it, something like 1 in 5 adult Americans have genital
herpes, so I bet someone could come up with a long list of celebs who have
it.
SoCally - 10 Feb 2006 19:42 GMT
>You could turn this thread into something appropriate to this group by
>naming all the celebs who probably have herpes.

Okay...http://www.gossiplist.com/cgi-bin/axs/ax.pl?/new/herpes.php
Betsy - 10 Feb 2006 04:26 GMT
| Is it possible to spread herpes to a baby in childbirth?  What other
| consequences might occur?

Yes you can. It is my understanding that a woman giving birth during a
herpes outbreak should have a c-section. It can be quite serious for a
newborn to contract herpes.
Jay Stallworth - 10 Feb 2006 13:30 GMT
"Betsy" <b.fernley@comcast.net> wrote in news:j_-dnd6nZKRyiHHeRVn-
pQ@comcast.com:

>| Is it possible to spread herpes to a baby in childbirth?  What other
>| consequences might occur?
>
> Yes you can. It is my understanding that a woman giving birth during a
> herpes outbreak should have a c-section. It can be quite serious for a
> newborn to contract herpes.

Is that true for oral herpes or only genital herpes?
Robert - 10 Feb 2006 18:47 GMT
> "Betsy" <b.fernley@comcast.net> wrote in news:j_-dnd6nZKRyiHHeRVn-
> pQ@comcast.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Is that true for oral herpes or only genital herpes?

Exposure is through the birth canal during childbirth. You don't want oral
exposure post birth if one has oral lesions.
It's amazing what we culture from these babies eyes from all the kissing.
Jay Stallworth - 11 Feb 2006 03:37 GMT
>> "Betsy" <b.fernley@comcast.net> wrote in news:j_-dnd6nZKRyiHHeRVn-
>> pQ@comcast.com:
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> It's amazing what we culture from these babies eyes from all the
> kissing.

Don't tantalize us with a juicy detail like that and then leave us
hanging.  Have you actually cultured herpes from an infant's eyes?  What
other unexpected stuff have you found?  Of course you've seen countless
cases of staph and strep, because they're so common, but how about
cryptosporidium?

Infections generally get into a patient's eyes via their hands, rather
than from being kissed.  Although it is done sometimes, kissing on the
eyes is out of the ordinary.  However, a patient's vigorous rubbing of
their eyes with unwashed hands that have just been scratching their anus
would seem the most likely vector.  Or rubbing the eyes after touching a
house pet, garbage, toilet seats or untreated water.  

I suspect that cryptosporidium grows in the garbage pail, although I
haven't verified that suspicion yet.
Robert - 11 Feb 2006 05:39 GMT
> >> "Betsy" <b.fernley@comcast.net> wrote in news:j_-dnd6nZKRyiHHeRVn-
> >> pQ@comcast.com:
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> Don't tantalize us with a juicy detail like that and then leave us
> hanging.  Have you actually cultured herpes from an infant's eyes?

Herpes infection from any source in an infant can be life threatnening and
should be avoided.
The culture that was recently found in one of our babies eyes was a
Neiserria species not gonorhhea in a baby that was given a prophylaxis
immediately after birth.  This is considered of oral source as it is a
commonly oral in origin and thus post delivery in origin. Other bacteria as
citated in an actual study include, H influenzae, strep pneumo, Klebiella
and others including Chlamydia.

http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?eye

 What
> other unexpected stuff have you found?  Of course you've seen countless
> cases of staph and strep, because they're so common, but how about
> cryptosporidium?

In addition to the above Group B strep of vaginal origin is also important
and cultures are performed routinely in prenatal or peripartum cases.

> Infections generally get into a patient's eyes via their hands, rather
> than from being kissed.  Although it is done sometimes, kissing on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I suspect that cryptosporidium grows in the garbage pail, although I
> haven't verified that suspicion yet.

Neonatal sepsis can be characterized as early onset within 24 hours or late
onset 7-90 days post birth. Each group has known common culprits.

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2630.htm

Rotavirus and cryptosporidium is more of an infant disease in high prevalent
endemic areas and not usually neonatal.
Agent Smith - 11 Feb 2006 18:02 GMT
>> >> "Betsy" <b.fernley@comcast.net> wrote in news:j_-dnd6nZKRyiHHeRVn-
>> >> pQ@comcast.com:
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> Rotavirus and cryptosporidium is more of an infant disease in high
> prevalent endemic areas and not usually neonatal.

Wow.  Thanks for the lecture doc.  You guys have some war stories that
are both fascinating and highly educational.  I guess Katie Holmes
physicians had better be ready with the prophylaxes if she's giving
birth with a fairly active case of oral herpes.
 
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