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Placebo vs Meds: The fool's gold that heals

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Psi - 14 Jan 2006 02:46 GMT
Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

--

The fool's gold that heals

Drug companies are the most profitable businesses in the world - ever
seeking new diseases for which they can provide new 'miracle'
medicines. But the fact is, Jacky Law reports, a simple sugar pill can
often be just as effective

Jacky Law
Saturday January 14, 2006
Guardian, UK

You can get away with a lot in the medicines business, but there is one
basic requirement - a drug should do you some good. This has to be
proved in at least two controlled studies. These large-scale clinical
trials often cost millions of dollars and must consist of at least two
arms: one of people who are given the test drug and a second group who
act as a means of comparison.

This second group is given a placebo, a sugar pill with no powers other
than those evoked through the power of suggestion. The placebo effect
shows what the mind and body are capable of achieving in the absence of
real drugs but with the expectation of benefit. Potential participants
in a trial are filtered through various entry criteria such as age,
severity of disease and so on, and then selected at random. It can be
conducted in a single hospital or in a network of clinical centres
around the world. It can last weeks, months or years. The most
important thing is that neither doctor nor patient knows who is taking
the drug and who is not.

The placebo, despite containing no active ingredient, often proves a
surprisingly strong contender. Its performance in clinical trial after
clinical trial shows patients inherently possess vast amounts of
untapped healing power. They want to be well so much, their bodies
respond to the mere expectation that they will be.

These hopes are easily exploited by pharmaceutical companies when they
want to extend the reach of a drug, increasing the number of conditions
the single drug is used to treat. In this sense medicines are packaged
science. The package, or label, plus what the doctor tells them, is all
most people get to know of the drug and what its expected effects will
be.

Where some antidepressant drugs are concerned, the label can say almost
whatever you want it to say. It could be for painful periods, for
depression, to stop smoking, to become more engaged in the world, for
panic attacks, irritable bowels, incontinence, shyness - for virtually
anything that has some kind of anxiety at its root.

The active ingredient can be the same, but its effect will depend on
what it is being tested for. If it has been shown in a trial to treat
irritable bowels or help smoking cessation, and it has been approved by
the regulators for that indication, then that is what it will say on
the label. And the drugs work according to what the label says, what
the doctor says, and what we believe. Our minds and bodies respond, in
other words, to what we are told the drug will do. GlaxoSmithKline's
Zyban for giving up smoking, for example, is a long-acting form of
Wellbutrin for depression by another name. And the antidepressant,
Zispin, is also marketed for sleeping disorders, one of the top
symptoms in diagnosing depression. Many lifestyle drugs are prescribed
under a number of different names. Different studies are done to get
different licensing data to get them known as different drugs so they
can operate in different therapeutic markets.

What makes a smoker more likely to kick their habit on Zyban than on
the identical drug posing as an antidepressant is the fact that this is
what the doctor says, and what the data from clinical studies
corroborates.

Full article at
http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,1686011,00.html

--

Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
electro - 14 Jan 2006 03:15 GMT
that's what homeopaths are for..
Charles - 14 Jan 2006 04:22 GMT
>that's what homeopaths are for..

They scare me, I'm a homeophobe.
Steve - 14 Jan 2006 05:42 GMT
K-Y...a little dab'l do ya...

> >that's what homeopaths are for..
> >
> They scare me, I'm a homeophobe.
love_will_be_here_soon@yahoo.com - 14 Jan 2006 08:20 GMT
I had to post this in this thread to get it to post in this group.

----------------------------------------------------

Proof Medicine is Witchcraft in the Holy Scriptures.

This would include all laboratory made preperations and "medicinal
plants" also.

---------------------------------------------

Interesting: Evil Freemasons and Thelemites and other occultits in the
United States Federal Government erased similar contents to what you
see below from the servers of Usenet trying to protect the "staus quo"
which means the "generally excepted view-point that is almost always
wrong". It was these occultists in the United States Government that
presured Bill Gates of Microsoft into giving the Federal Government a
Back Door into everyone's computers and the internet to alter anything
on any computer connected to the internet. This back door is now in the

hands of the occultists on the internet and I have seen the evidence
that this is so.

----------------------------------

The original word translated doctor or physician from greek in the Holy

Scriptures meant "healer" and they healed with Holy Spirit not
Witchdoctor potions. The Almighty Father YEHOVAH will answer prayers to

Him to heal you if you put full trust in Him to be healed and have
patience. King Hezekiah in the Holy Scriptures was healed from a
terminal illness gradually the Holy Scriptures says because he begged
the Almighty Father YEHOVAH to heal Him.

The word translated Sorcery in Revelation in the King James Bible is
the Greek word "pharmachea" and this is the same word that the English
word pharmacy comes from. In the New World Translation this word is
translated Spritism. If you look up in the Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the King James Bible and refernece the word in the Greek

dictionary in the back it will say the word means; "Druggest, Poisoner,

Witch, Sorceror, Maggi. Mage, Wizard, Shaman" and this is the same word

that the English word "pharmacist" comes from and a doctor or a
physician works hand in hand with the pharmacist. Especially dangerous
is today is the psychiatrist or the psychologist who prescribes drugs.

I posted similar info to this eariler and it was removed from the News
Groups that i am posting from. Evil people do not want you to know
these truths.

The word translated "Maggi" in the King James Version of the Bible
means "oriental scientist" and the English word "physician" means
"scientist". Of cource Maggi are Witches or Wizards or Sorcers or
Shaman and the Holy Scriptures makes it very clear that they serve
Satan's
interests. But they can repent! http://www.watchtower.org

http://www.angelfire.com/az3/love_will_rule_soon/The_Horrible_Truth_About_Psychi
atric_Drugs.htm

http://www.tinyurl.com/7tnv3
See this link that psych drugs are poison from a venimous snake!

Below is what I left to a person on alt.freemasonry a place where
occultits hang out who believe in magick = witchcraft.

-----------------------------

The Un-Rev. 11D Meow! high preist in the Masonic Thelemic Church of the

Sub-Genius said: "Poisonally, I prefer Pop Rocks, thank very much."

http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/P/2/baph.jpg
If you really desire poison then drink your own semen because all
occultists do that. If you willfully unrepentently practice this then
you have truly damned. Consuming pharmacuticals is no different then
consuming semen because these pharmacuticals sprung from the minds of
those you practiced sex magick drinking semen. Pharmacuticals =
Medicine = Drugs is poison just like semen. Look the Baphomet is the
medical symbol the caduceus. Notice the two venemous serpants wrapping
his phallus and how his wings become the wings of the medical symbol
the caduceus. Witchdoctors have always been highly respected men in
their cultures among the pagans. Do you think it would be any different

among today's modern witchdoctors who are physicions? Adam and Eve did
eat the apple which was sexual fluids and the poison really did kill
them but Satan continues to promote the lie that you survive death as
an immortal spirit. He promotes this lie along with his demons by
pretending to be your dead ancestors and pretending to be "Ghosts".
Semen is loaded with the biochemical substances of Putricine (or
Putrecine) Spermidine and Spermine. Spermidine and Spermine are
involved in Nucleic acid replication in the body and especially the
brain. The brain is a DNA computer and all thought processes and
memories are encoded on the DNA of every cell in your brain. The
altered DNA of mankind from consuming the poison from the tree of the
knowlege of good and bad Adam's Penis which was also the original
serpent gave mankind the proclivity and drive to invent and construct
things and delve into science. This poison knowledge of Satan is
leading man into self destruction and collective suicide as he destroys

the very planet he lives on because all manufacturing processes are
raping the Earth and creating polutents that are destroying the very
planet we lived on. Yes Satan's poison knowledge from the forbidden
fruit is leading man into self destruction. And they do not have a good

heart to stop themselves because vaginal secretions and menustration
that occultists also consume in their sex magick rituals effect the
heart and corrupt it. The only this that can trun a man around and
remove this Adamic sin is to fear the Almighty Father YEHOVAH and
resolve in your heart to practice righteousness and accept His Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH as your personal Savious for forgiveness of your
sins. Say the prayer below that will change your live and lead in on
the road to salvation.

----------------------

Here is a prayer that will change your life and so you can get
protection from the most powerful body guard in the universe. It is
important not to replace the titles "Lord" and "God" with the Holy name

YEHOVAH when saying this prayer. And continue to ask for these things
day after day to make sure you are protected and not blind in anyway.

Dear YEHOVAH Elohim heavenly Father All Powerful One who created all
things. Please hear my prayer. I accept the sacrifice of your male
offspring YEHOSHUVAH for forgiveness of my sins. Please forgive me of
all the bad things I have done in my life. Please fill me with Holy
Spirit in the same manner as John the Baptist. Please make me do your
will so I can endure to the end so I can be saved. I know I have free
will but I give you permission to make me do your will because I want
to live forever. Please lift my blinders so that I am not blinded by
Satan in anyway. Please lead me to the truth in all things. Please give

me true wisdom, true understanding and true knowledge. Please remove
all the defilement from my body. Please give me a pure heart and a pure

mind. Please rewrite my heart and mind so that I love you compleately.
Please may your Holy Name YEHOVAH be viewed as Holy before everyone.
Please may your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Please
protect me from Satan and his demons and bad people and those who serve

Satan and his demons so that they can not cause me harm or trouble for
either me or my family. Please protect me from poisons and drugs and
medications and chemicals that I unknowingly consume or are forced upon

me. Please guide me to the truth in all things. Again please forgive me

of all my past wrongdoings because I accept the sacrifice of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH. Please give me faith beyond faith. Please give me

armors or righteousness. Please give me a sword of truth. Please give
me the helment of salvation. Please give me the fruitages of the
spirit. Please remove all the defilement from my body. I love you dear
Father YEHOVAH. Again please make me do your will because I want to
live forever. I pray these things through the name of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH who died for my sins so that I can be saved when I

endure to the end. Amen.

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/freemasonry_exposed/satanic_freemasonry.htm

At the link above it will show you who are responsible for the
degridation of society and that is the Freemasons and other occultists
and false religions like Jesuit Catholics who also promote
pharmacutical drugging of the people and have huge amounts of stock in
the pharmacutical industry.

Note to the argument that the "other sheep" or the "little flock"
should be born again and are in the Kingdom but on Earth are also
spiritual jews and should partake of the emblems. It may be argued that

there is a scriptures that says; "Flesh and blood can not inherit the
Kingdom of God". To inherit means to take possetion (sic) as property
from a Father. That can only be said of the 144,000 since they will be
in charge ruling as Kings and Preists in heaven. But the Kingdom of
YEHOVAH is both heavenly and Earthly and the other sheep will survive
Armagedon and live forever on the Earth.

------------------------------

Here is a prayer that will change your life and so you can get
protection from the most powerful body guard in the universe. It is
important not to replace the titles "Lord" and "God" with the Holy name

YEHOVAH when saying this prayer. And continue to ask for these things
day after day to make sure you are protected and not blind in anyway.

Dear YEHOVAH Elohim heavenly Father All Powerful One who created all
things. Please hear my prayer. I accept the sacrifice of your male
offspring YEHOSHUVAH for forgiveness of my sins. Please forgive me of
all the bad things I have done in my life. Please fill me with Holy
Spirit in the same manner as John the Baptist. Please make me do your
will so I can endure to the end so I can be saved. I know I have free
will but I give you permission to make me do your will because I want
to live forever. Please lift my blinders so that I am not blinded by
Satan in anyway. Please lead me to the truth in all things. Please give

me true wisdom, true understanding and true knowledge. Please remove
all the defilement from my body. Please give me a pure heart and a pure

mind. Please rewrite my heart and mind so that I love you compleately.
Please may your Holy Name YEHOVAH be viewed as Holy before everyone.
Please may your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Please
protect me from Satan and his demons and bad people and those who serve

Satan and his demons so that they can not cause me harm or trouble for
either me or my family. Please protect me from poisons and drugs and
medications and chemicals that I unknowingly consume or are forced upon

me. Please guide me to the truth in all things. Again please forgive me

of all my past wrongdoings because I accept the sacrifice of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH. Please give me faith beyond faith. Please give me

armors or righteousness. Please give me a sword of truth. Please give
me the helment of salvation. Please give me the fruitages of the
spirit. Please remove all the defilement from my body. I love you dear
Father YEHOVAH. Again please make me do your will because I want to
live forever. I pray these things through the name of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH who died for my sins so that I can be saved when I

endure to the end. Amen. http://www.watchtower.org
electro - 14 Jan 2006 16:38 GMT
maybe you're getting blocked because you're a high volume spammer, and many
people have expressed annoyance at your ongoing harassment..   ..you've been
clogging up newsgroups with you're psychosis now for long enough, we've all
had a "chance" to read your drivel..

it's more likely some (wonderful) individual has hacked your account than
any government involvement..   ..get over yourself, the government isn't
threatened by your cult or your own personal powers of reasoning, or ability
to convince others of *anything* in light of your mish-mosh of
self-contradictory beliefs..

> I had to post this in this thread to get it to post in this group.
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> Satan's
> interests. But they can repent! http://www.watchtower.org

http://www.angelfire.com/az3/love_will_rule_soon/The_Horrible_Truth_About_Psychi
atric_Drugs.htm

> http://www.tinyurl.com/7tnv3
> See this link that psych drugs are poison from a venimous snake!
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
>
> endure to the end. Amen.

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/freemasonry_exposed/satanic_freemasonry.htm

> At the link above it will show you who are responsible for the
> degridation of society and that is the Freemasons and other occultists
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>
> endure to the end. Amen. http://www.watchtower.org
Nom dePlume - 14 Jan 2006 21:12 GMT
Please do not post this kind of material in this newsgroup. It is not
appropriate to the purpose of the group.

Signature

Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.

Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/

=====

love_will_be_here_soon@yahoo.com - 15 Jan 2006 10:42 GMT
Afraid of loosing control over your Zombies?

-------------------------------------------------

Here it is again!

-------------------------------------------------

Proof Medicine is Witchcraft in the Holy Scriptures.

This would include all laboratory made preperations and "medicinal
plants" also.

---------------------------------------------

Interesting: Evil Freemasons and Thelemites and other occultits in the
United States Federal Government erased similar contents to what you
see below from the servers of Usenet trying to protect the "staus quo"
which means the "generally excepted view-point that is almost always
wrong". It was these occultists in the United States Government that
presured Bill Gates of Microsoft into giving the Federal Government a
Back Door into everyone's computers and the internet to alter anything
on any computer connected to the internet. This back door is now in the

hands of the occultists on the internet and I have seen the evidence
that this is so.

----------------------------------

The original word translated doctor or physician from greek in the Holy

Scriptures meant "healer" and they healed with Holy Spirit not
Witchdoctor potions or drugs = medications = pharmacuticals.
The Almighty Father YEHOVAH will answer prayers to
Him to heal you if you put full trust in Him to be healed and have
patience. King Hezekiah in the Holy Scriptures was healed from a
terminal illness gradually the Holy Scriptures says because he begged
the Almighty Father YEHOVAH to heal Him.

The word translated Sorcery in Revelation in the King James Bible is
the Greek word "pharmachea" and this is the same word that the English
word pharmacist comes from. In the New World Translation this word is
translated Spritism. If you look up in the Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the King James Bible and refernece the word in the Greek

dictionary in the back it will say the word means; "Druggest, Poisoner,

Witch, Sorceror, Maggi. Mage, Wizard, Shaman" and this is the same word

that the English word "pharmacist" comes from and a doctor or a
physician works hand in hand with the pharmacist. Especially dangerous
today is the psychiatrist or the psychologist who prescribes drugs.

I posted similar info to this eariler and it was removed from the News
Groups that i am posting from. Evil people do not want you to know
these truths.

The word translated "Maggi" in the King James Version of the Bible
means "oriental scientist" and the English word "physician" means
"scientist". Of cource Maggi are Witches or Wizards or Sorcers or
Shaman and the Holy Scriptures makes it very clear that they serve
Satan's interests. But they can repent! http://www.watchtower.org

http://www.angelfire.com/az3/love_will_rule_soon/The_Horrible_Truth_About_Psychi
atric_Drugs.htm

http://www.tinyurl.com/7tnv3
See this link that psych drugs are poison from a venimous snake!

Below is what I left to a person on alt.freemasonry a place where
occultits hang out who believe in magick = witchcraft.

-----------------------------

The Un-Rev. 11D Meow! high preist in the Masonic Thelemic Church of the

Sub-Genius said: "Poisonally, I prefer Pop Rocks, thank very much."

http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/P/2/baph.jpg
If you really desire poison then drink your own semen because all
occultists do that. If you willfully unrepentently practice this then
you have truly damned. Consuming pharmacuticals is no different then
consuming semen because these pharmacuticals sprung from the minds of
those you practiced sex magick drinking semen. Pharmacuticals =
Medicine = Drugs is poison just like semen. Look the Baphomet is the
medical symbol the caduceus. Notice the two venemous serpants wrapping
his phallus and how his wings become the wings of the medical symbol
the caduceus. Witchdoctors have always been highly respected men in
their cultures among the pagans. Do you think it would be any different

among today's modern witchdoctors who are physicions? Adam and Eve did
eat the apple which was sexual fluids and the poison really did kill
them but Satan continues to promote the lie that you survive death as
an immortal spirit. He promotes this lie along with his demons by
pretending to be your dead ancestors and pretending to be "Ghosts".
Semen is loaded with the biochemical substances of Putricine (or
Putrecine) Spermidine and Spermine. Spermidine and Spermine are
involved in Nucleic acid replication in the body and especially the
brain. The brain is a DNA computer and all thought processes and
memories are encoded on the DNA of every cell in your brain. The
altered DNA of mankind from consuming the poison from the tree of the
knowlege of good and bad Adam's Penis which was also the original
serpent gave mankind the proclivity and drive to invent and construct
things and delve into science. This poison knowledge of Satan is
leading man into self destruction and collective suicide as he destroys

the very planet he lives on because all manufacturing processes are
raping the Earth and creating polutents that are destroying the very
planet we lived on. Yes Satan's poison knowledge from the forbidden
fruit is leading man into self destruction. And they do not have a good

heart to stop themselves because vaginal secretions and menustration
that occultists also consume in their sex magick rituals effect the
heart and corrupt it. The only this that can trun a man around and
remove this Adamic sin is to fear the Almighty Father YEHOVAH and
resolve in your heart to practice righteousness and accept His Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH as your personal Savious for forgiveness of your
sins. Say the prayer below that will change your live and lead in on
the road to salvation.

----------------------

Here is a prayer that will change your life and so you can get
protection from the most powerful body guard in the universe. It is
important not to replace the titles "Lord" and "God" with the Holy name

YEHOVAH when saying this prayer. And continue to ask for these things
day after day to make sure you are protected and not blind in anyway.

Dear YEHOVAH Elohim heavenly Father All Powerful One who created all
things. Please hear my prayer. I accept the sacrifice of your male
offspring YEHOSHUVAH for forgiveness of my sins. Please forgive me of
all the bad things I have done in my life. Please fill me with Holy
Spirit in the same manner as John the Baptist. Please make me do your
will so I can endure to the end so I can be saved. I know I have free
will but I give you permission to make me do your will because I want
to live forever. Please lift my blinders so that I am not blinded by
Satan in anyway. Please lead me to the truth in all things. Please give

me true wisdom, true understanding and true knowledge. Please remove
all the defilement from my body. Please give me a pure heart and a pure

mind. Please rewrite my heart and mind so that I love you compleately.
Please may your Holy Name YEHOVAH be viewed as Holy before everyone.
Please may your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Please
protect me from Satan and his demons and bad people and those who serve

Satan and his demons so that they can not cause me harm or trouble for
either me or my family. Please protect me from poisons and drugs and
medications and chemicals that I unknowingly consume or are forced upon

me. Please guide me to the truth in all things. Again please forgive me

of all my past wrongdoings because I accept the sacrifice of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH. Please give me faith beyond faith. Please give me

armors or righteousness. Please give me a sword of truth. Please give
me the helment of salvation. Please give me the fruitages of the
spirit. Please remove all the defilement from my body. I love you dear
Father YEHOVAH. Again please make me do your will because I want to
live forever. I pray these things through the name of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH who died for my sins so that I can be saved when I

endure to the end. Amen.

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/freemasonry_exposed/satanic_freemasonry.htm

At the link above it will show you who are responsible for the
degridation of society and that is the Freemasons and other occultists
and false religions like Jesuit Catholics who also promote
pharmacutical drugging of the people and have huge amounts of stock in
the pharmacutical industry.

Note to the argument that the "other sheep" or the "little flock"
should be born again and are in the Kingdom but on Earth are also
spiritual jews and should partake of the emblems. It may be argued that

there is a scriptures that says; "Flesh and blood can not inherit the
Kingdom of God". To inherit means to take possetion (sic) as property
from a Father. That can only be said of the 144,000 since they will be
in charge ruling as Kings and Preists in heaven. But the Kingdom of
YEHOVAH is both heavenly and Earthly and the other sheep will survive
Armagedon and live forever on the Earth.

------------------------------

Here is a prayer that will change your life and so you can get
protection from the most powerful body guard in the universe. It is
important not to replace the titles "Lord" and "God" with the Holy name

YEHOVAH when saying this prayer. And continue to ask for these things
day after day to make sure you are protected and not blind in anyway.

Dear YEHOVAH Elohim heavenly Father All Powerful One who created all
things. Please hear my prayer. I accept the sacrifice of your male
offspring YEHOSHUVAH for forgiveness of my sins. Please forgive me of
all the bad things I have done in my life. Please fill me with Holy
Spirit in the same manner as John the Baptist. Please make me do your
will so I can endure to the end so I can be saved. I know I have free
will but I give you permission to make me do your will because I want
to live forever. Please lift my blinders so that I am not blinded by
Satan in anyway. Please lead me to the truth in all things. Please give

me true wisdom, true understanding and true knowledge. Please remove
all the defilement from my body. Please give me a pure heart and a pure

mind. Please rewrite my heart and mind so that I love you compleately.
Please may your Holy Name YEHOVAH be viewed as Holy before everyone.
Please may your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Please
protect me from Satan and his demons and bad people and those who serve

Satan and his demons so that they can not cause me harm or trouble for
either me or my family. Please protect me from poisons and drugs and
medications and chemicals that I unknowingly consume or are forced upon

me. Please guide me to the truth in all things. Again please forgive me

of all my past wrongdoings because I accept the sacrifice of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH. Please give me faith beyond faith. Please give me

armors or righteousness. Please give me a sword of truth. Please give
me the helment of salvation. Please give me the fruitages of the
spirit. Please remove all the defilement from my body. I love you dear
Father YEHOVAH. Again please make me do your will because I want to
live forever. I pray these things through the name of your Male
Offspring YEHOSHUVAH who died for my sins so that I can be saved when I

endure to the end. Amen. http://www.watchtower.org
Nom dePlume - 15 Jan 2006 17:47 GMT
Please stop posting this kind of material here. It is inconsiderate
and inappropriate for this group.

Signature

Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.

Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/

=====

David Wright - 15 Jan 2006 19:09 GMT
>Please stop posting this kind of material here. It is inconsiderate
>and inappropriate for this group.

Given that the article is cross-posted to four different newsgroups,
your plea is pointless unless you say what "here" means in this
context.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Nom dePlume - 15 Jan 2006 20:35 GMT
> >Please stop posting this kind of material here. It is inconsiderate
> >and inappropriate for this group.
>
> Given that the article is cross-posted to four different newsgroups,
> your plea is pointless unless you say what "here" means in this
> context.

Yeah, I saw that *after* I hit send. I was referring to from
alt.support.depression.medication.

Signature

Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.

Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/

=====

Linda Gore - 15 Jan 2006 20:56 GMT
> >Please stop posting this kind of material here. It is inconsiderate
> >and inappropriate for this group.
>
> Given that the article is cross-posted to four different newsgroups,
> your plea is pointless unless you say what "here" means in this
> context.

Alt.support.depression.medication is the ng  which Nom De Plume of NASA
trolls.
purpleveggie - 14 Jan 2006 21:27 GMT
> I had to post this in this thread to get it to post in this group.
>
[quoted text clipped - 219 lines]
>
> endure to the end. Amen. http://www.watchtower.org

Abba..... PLEASE STOP THIS CHILD OF YOURS FROM POSTING SUCH CR4P( Amen)
MeLL - 14 Jan 2006 21:14 GMT
What in the hell does ANY of the replies have to do with the article
posted by Psi? Can anyone answer me that? Usenet is full of so much
goddam crap.

Anti-psychiatrists do make some VERY convincing arguments, but I have
yet to hear an argument that is Pro-Psychiatry and equally convincing.
IMO, its always good to keep an open mind about these things.
Charles - 14 Jan 2006 21:24 GMT
>What in the hell does ANY of the replies have to do with the article
>posted by Psi? Can anyone answer me that? Usenet is full of so much
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>yet to hear an argument that is Pro-Psychiatry and equally convincing.
>IMO, its always good to keep an open mind about these things.

The medical approach worked for me, the non-medical didn't.  Pure
anecdotal, no double blind studies, nothing that would hold up in a
research study, but I am better than I was before I got the medical
treatment.  

there is a lot of anti-psychatry info available, and most of the
people in this group have heard more than enough of it.  If it works
for you, good.  If it doesn't, try something different.
Robert - 14 Jan 2006 23:58 GMT
> >What in the hell does ANY of the replies have to do with the article
> >posted by Psi? Can anyone answer me that? Usenet is full of so much
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> people in this group have heard more than enough of it.  If it works
> for you, good.  If it doesn't, try something different.

Absolutely 100% on. Nobody cares about what should be or could be but only
what is. The bottom line is if it works then keep on doing it. If it doesn't
work then try something else until you find something.
The rest is all trash talk.
Larry Hoover - 14 Jan 2006 22:12 GMT
> Anti-psychiatrists do make some VERY convincing arguments, but I have
> yet to hear an argument that is Pro-Psychiatry and equally convincing.
> IMO, its always good to keep an open mind about these things.

They do? Well, they've kept these convincing arguments hidden then, because all I
ever see is shyte.
MeLL - 14 Jan 2006 23:57 GMT
Please understand, im not trying to start an argument here or say that
your wrong.

My point, there is plenty of anti-psychiatry stuff out there ,but not
much out there de-bunking anti-psychiatry(or mabye im just too lazy to
look). Is there anything written that debunkes anti-psychiatry?

However, I DO believe that ADD/ADHD is (for the most part) a fake
disease. Like, I totally agree with this article
http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters/diagnosticcriteria.msnw
I think this dude is right on about the absurdity of the ADD/ADHD
diagnostical criteria.
% - 15 Jan 2006 00:00 GMT
> Please understand, im not trying to start an argument here or say that
> your wrong.
>
> My point, there is plenty of anti-psychiatry stuff out there ,but not
> much out there de-bunking anti-psychiatry(or mabye im just too lazy to
> look). Is there anything written that debunkes anti-psychiatry?

Uncle psychiatry says he doesn't like Anti much
Robert - 15 Jan 2006 00:19 GMT
> Please understand, im not trying to start an argument here or say that
> your wrong.
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> However, I DO believe that ADD/ADHD is (for the most part) a fake
> disease.

You aren't a school teacher having one of these pupils who totally destroy a
classroom. They are out of control and something needs to be done. Nobody
knows what causes a headache and we all take aspirin. They need to be
treated with meds and in order to do that one must decide who is really in
need of such medication and thus the diagnosis of ADD. Don't believe in the
diagnosis of ADD then tie them to a chair and gag them so they don't disrupt
the classroom or throw them out of school all together.

Like, I totally agree with this article
> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters/diagnosticcriteria.msnw
> I think this dude is right on about the absurdity of the ADD/ADHD
> diagnostical criteria.

You are right they should label as trouble makers and then throw them out of
school and forget about the ADD. They should label them as spoiled children
as before and get rid of ADD.

"In other words, the first step in abusing someone is to label them"

"a) often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless
mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities"

So you flunk them and then label them as idiots and forget about the ADD
category.

. There must be clear evidence of clinically significant impairment in
social, academic, or occupational functioning.

The teacher is the one giving the grade and yes it is totally subjective
based on what other kids are doing or not doing. If your kid falls into the
above then flunk their a.s and don't label with with ADD just claim it's a
desciplinary problem. Tell the parents that their child will be in prison
soom because he can not control his normal non-ADD a.s.
Larry Hoover - 15 Jan 2006 01:14 GMT
> Please understand, im not trying to start an argument here or say that
> your wrong.
>
> My point, there is plenty of anti-psychiatry stuff out there ,but not
> much out there de-bunking anti-psychiatry(or mabye im just too lazy to
> look). Is there anything written that debunkes anti-psychiatry?

It's unreasonable to expect that such arguments exist, as anti-psychiatry is an
argument for nothing at all in particular. Debunking anti-psychiatry would amount to
nothing more than the classic children's dispute...."Is so!"...."Is not!"...."Is
so!"...."Is not!"

That said, where anti-psychiatry bases its debunking argument upon a premise of its
own, true debate can ensue. But that's not usually what you encounter. I personally
have not ever closely examined an anti-psychiatry type document, and found it to be
logically consistent, and based on solid data. I summarized that as shyte, in my
last post.

> However, I DO believe that ADD/ADHD is (for the most part) a fake
> disease. Like, I totally agree with this article
> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters/diagnosticcriteria.msnw
> I think this dude is right on about the absurdity of the ADD/ADHD
> diagnostical criteria.

He has mocked them, rather than made them absurd. Though there may be alternate
explanations for any one of the criteria in isolation, it is the pattern that is the
diagnosis. Moreover, not just the pattern, but also the maladaptive nature, and lack
of accomplishment. Furthermore, it is the paradoxical response to stimulant drugs
which would seem to seal the package.

Returning to the subject thread, the idea that sugar pills will heal illness is
encouraging if you own a confectionary shop. But confusing short-term placebo
response for the healing of an illness is something that would seem to weaken the
anti-psychiatrist's position, rather than strengthen it.
% - 15 Jan 2006 01:20 GMT
LETS DO THE CROSSPOST AGAIN
CyberDroog - 15 Jan 2006 04:15 GMT
>Returning to the subject thread, the idea that sugar pills will heal illness is
>encouraging if you own a confectionary shop. But confusing short-term placebo
>response for the healing of an illness is something that would seem to weaken the
>anti-psychiatrist's position, rather than strengthen it.

That is it exactly.  It's an old joke to suggest that since placebos often
seem to do nearly as well as medication, why not just take the placebo. But
I didn't think anybody actually believed that it is a valid idea.

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electro - 15 Jan 2006 23:18 GMT
> >Returning to the subject thread, the idea that sugar pills will heal illness is
> >encouraging if you own a confectionary shop. But confusing short-term placebo
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> seem to do nearly as well as medication, why not just take the placebo. But
> I didn't think anybody actually believed that it is a valid idea.

homeopathics
Charles - 15 Jan 2006 23:44 GMT
>> >Returning to the subject thread, the idea that sugar pills will heal
>illness is
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>homeopathics

Then if they don't work the people would be homeopathetic.
CyberDroog - 15 Jan 2006 00:43 GMT
>> Anti-psychiatrists do make some VERY convincing arguments, but I have
>> yet to hear an argument that is Pro-Psychiatry and equally convincing.
>> IMO, its always good to keep an open mind about these things.
>
>They do? Well, they've kept these convincing arguments hidden then, because all I
>ever see is shyte.

Are you suggesting that body Thetans aren't a reputable alternative theory?

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Why isn't the word "gullible" in the dictionary?

Larry Hoover - 15 Jan 2006 00:55 GMT
>>> Anti-psychiatrists do make some VERY convincing arguments, but I have
>>> yet to hear an argument that is Pro-Psychiatry and equally convincing.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Are you suggesting that body Thetans aren't a reputable alternative theory?

I meant other than. Other than body Thetans. Thetans aren't a theory. Everybody
knows they're real. ;-)
Steve - 15 Jan 2006 04:21 GMT
> >>> Anti-psychiatrists do make some VERY convincing arguments, but I have
> >>> yet to hear an argument that is Pro-Psychiatry and equally convincing.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I meant other than. Other than body Thetans. Thetans aren't a theory. Everybody
> knows they're real. ;-)

Thank God ER is not here!
MeLL - 14 Jan 2006 21:17 GMT
oops, diddnt mean to cross post to all these differnt NGs. It was
meant for alt.support.depression.medication

> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
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> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
 
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