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fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 05:44 GMT
Furor erupts at medical journal

By HELEN BRANSWELL

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 Page A12

Canadian Press

TORONTO -- The Canadian Medical Association Journal said yesterday that
its owner, the Canadian Medical Association, transgressed the journal's
editorial independence by demanding changes to a news report
questioning the way pharmacists were handling sales of Plan B, the
morning-after birth-control pill.

In an editorial slated for the Jan. 3 issue but released on-line
yesterday, journal editor John Hoey announced he had struck a
blue-ribbon panel to draw a clear line for the CMA on the issue of
editorial autonomy.

"That interface between us, the journal, and the owners needs to be
fortified and strengthened and understood, I think, by the CMA," Dr.
Hoey said in an interview.

The editorial revealed that its publisher had given the journal an
ultimatum about an article suggesting women's privacy rights were being
violated during Plan B sales. The ultimatum: Remove a portion of the
piece, or the entire item would be killed.

The directive came after the Canadian Pharmacists Association
complained to the medical association about the item, the editorial
stated.

The journal chose to run an abridged version of the article in the Dec.
6 issue, said Dr. Hoey, who noted that when he acquiesced he warned the
publisher he would write about the conflict at his earliest
opportunity.

Dr. Hoey said that during his decade-long tenure, the journal has
experienced sporadic conflicts with the Canadian Medical Association's
board, which is elected from medical professionals across the country.
But those set-tos have always been about items that had already been
published, he said.

"It's the first time they've actually censored something," he said of
this case.

"We're trying to be a reputable journal. They clearly went over the
line."

Publisher Graham Morris said he was simply holding the journal's news
staff to the standards required of the researchers whose work the
journal publishes.

"My job is to protect the integrity of my organization," Mr. Morris
said.

The conflict stems from a piece of investigative reporting on the
information pharmacists around the country were demanding of women
seeking to buy levonorgestrel, sold under the brand name Plan B.

Since earlier this year, the drug, once available through prescription
only, has been sold on a behind-the-counter basis, meaning women can
get it from a pharmacist without a prescription. The goal was to
improve access to the drug, which must be taken within 72 hours of
intercourse to prevent pregnancy.

The journal asked a woman in each province and territory to try to buy
the drug. Some reported that pharmacists demanded and entered into a
computer database personal information, including the woman's name and
address.

That's not common practice for sale of other behind-the-counter drugs,
such as sinus medications containing codeine.

Pharmacists in Ontario were asked to stop collecting the data, after
the province's privacy commissioner complained.

Dr. Hoey said the Canadian Pharmacists Association learned of the
article before it went to press. The association complained to the CMA,
which in turn told the journal it could not publish the material
gathered by the women who attempted to purchase the drug.

Where the journal characterized the women's efforts as investigative
journalism, Mr. Morris argued the work could be construed as research
-- and research on shaky ethical ground.

"We always hold ourselves up to a higher standard when we . . . publish
research done by others," he said. "And if this could be interpreted to
be research, we should hold ourselves up to the highest standards as
well."

Dr. Hoey said in an effort to prevent future interference, he has asked
a panel of "heavyweights" to delineate the lines of editorial
independence for the CMA. High-profile participants were chosen to
ensure the association would have difficulty ignoring their advice.

The panel will be chaired by Jerome Kassirer, former editor-in-chief of
the New England Journal of Medicine. Other members are Donald
Redelmeier, a medical professor at the University of Toronto; and Frank
Davidoff, editor emeritus of the Annals of Internal Medicine.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051213/HJOURNAL
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Dr. Wayne Simon - 14 Dec 2005 06:39 GMT
> Furor erupts at medical journal
>
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>and kept confidential unless laws are being broken. Like drug diversion
>laws.
fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 14:12 GMT
> > Furor erupts at medical journal
> >
[quoted text clipped - 104 lines]
> >and kept confidential unless laws are being broken. Like drug diversion
> >laws.

Are pharmacists collecting data on people who are buying OTC
antihistamines and decongestants?  Are pharmacists collecting data on
people who buy OTC spermacides?

How do we know they aren't going from pharmacy to pharmacy trying to
store up on large amounts of these medications?
Kurt Ullman - 14 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT
>Are pharmacists collecting data on people who are buying OTC
>antihistamines and decongestants?  Are pharmacists collecting data on
>people who buy OTC spermacides?

     They are on OTC cold medications that contain sudafed. Also,
most of the major chain pharmacies and pharmacies in major grocery
stores collect data on OTC medications of all kinds that you buy if
you use their points card.

>How do we know they aren't going from pharmacy to pharmacy trying to
>store up on large amounts of these medications?
      We don't.. unless they are sudafed-realted where in most states
it is a requirement that purchases by reported to the cops.

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fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 19:22 GMT
> >Are pharmacists collecting data on people who are buying OTC
> >antihistamines and decongestants?  Are pharmacists collecting data on
> >people who buy OTC spermacides?
> >
>       They are on OTC cold medications that contain sudafed.

In Ontario? We are talking about an issue which takes place in Ontario,
and in Canada.

> Also,
> most of the major chain pharmacies and pharmacies in major grocery
> stores collect data on OTC medications of all kinds that you buy if
> you use their points card.

And if the woman paid for her Plan B medication that way the sale would
be recorded that way. But that's not QUITE what we were talking about.
It's another important consideration to be sure, but that won't have
her private sexual information (when she last had intercouse, including
the time, and oh were there any other incidents of intercouse she has
had, and when? .... which the pharmacists assoc form requests.

Here's a study published in the CMAJ on pharmacists collecting
information on personal medications use and then selling it. The
comment was made by the study author in a letter to the Globe and Mail:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/170/5/815?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTF
ORMAT=&fulltext=prescription+data+streams&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=113458
6721289_2160&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1&journ
alcode=cmaj


"Prescription data streams from the computer systems of community
pharmacies with scant regard for physician and patient confidentiality.
Commercial data compilers then sell this data and related analyses."

> >How do we know they aren't going from pharmacy to pharmacy trying to
> >store up on large amounts of these medications?

>        We don't.. unless they are sudafed-realted where in most states
> it is a requirement that purchases by reported to the cops.

Is Ontario (or any Canadian province) requiring Sudafed purchaser to
fill out a form giving personal information about their sex life, or
any habits and behaviours which may affect Sudafed use, such as taking
Viagra, birth-contol, using spermacides or fungal medications,
acyclovir, alcohol or ritalin (possibly causing her to run from
pharmacy to pharmacy stockpiling Plan B)?

Although their are Plan B problems in the States, this particular issue
takes place in Canada; and specifically Ontario.
Bryan - 15 Dec 2005 02:11 GMT
I'm a pharmacist in Ontario.

The real fuss is about the fact that we are collecting the person's name on
a paper based screening tool.  I don't know of any pharmacy storing this
information in a computer database, but it could happen, I guess.

There are real issues where having documentation that includes the patients'
names could be useful to have in this documentaton.  Statutory rape,
criminal rape, child abuse to name a few.  Issues like these often don't
come to light immediately after the incident because women are relucant to
come forward.  Having documentation like this might prove beneficial in
protecting victims.  I believe this is quite a bit different than a purchase
of OTC spermicide or anti-histamines, and is all to the benefit of the
woman, not a detriment.

The Privacy Commissioner objects to our collecting names in conjuction with
information surrounding sexual history.  I think this view refuses to
acknowledge our position as Health Professionals.  Like we can't be trusted
to keep this information secure.  Surprise!  We do it everyday on
prescriptions.

Bryan

> > >Are pharmacists collecting data on people who are buying OTC
> > >antihistamines and decongestants?  Are pharmacists collecting data on
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> information on personal medications use and then selling it. The
> comment was made by the study author in a letter to the Globe and Mail:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/170/5/815?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTF
ORMAT=&fulltext=prescription+data+streams&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=113458
6721289_2160&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1&journ
alcode=cmaj


> "Prescription data streams from the computer systems of community
> pharmacies with scant regard for physician and patient confidentiality.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Although their are Plan B problems in the States, this particular issue
> takes place in Canada; and specifically Ontario.
Steven Bornfeld - 14 Dec 2005 14:07 GMT
> Furor erupts at medical journal
>
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>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051213/HJOURNAL
12/TPHealth/

    Why would anyone expect the editor of the official publication of the
CMA to be independent of the association putting out the journal?
    I hardly expect the Journal of the ADA to be the pinnacle of
journalistic integrity and independence.  And certainly I would expect
the editor of the journal to represent the official party line.

Steve
fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 14:21 GMT
> > Furor erupts at medical journal
> >
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>
> Steve

I see. Then it's fine with you if JAMA spouts the party line, and if
there is some contention about a study, or medical issue, you expect
them to bury anything that might be embarrassing to AMA, and fully back
their right to do so. No wonder the consumer has lost faith in the
medical profession. Obviously, medical journal editors don't agree with
you on this. They are adamant they will have editorial integrity and
consumers see this as a part of the conflict of interest issue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/jour
nal.pmed.0020138


Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of
Pharmaceutical Companies

Richard Smith

Richard Smith is Chief Executive of UnitedHealth Europe, London, United
Kingdom. E-mail: richardswsmith@yahoo.co.uk

Competing Interests: RS was an editor for the BMJ for 25 years. For the
last 13 of those years, he was the editor and chief executive of the
BMJ Publishing Group, responsible for the profits of not only the BMJ
but of the whole group, which published some 25 other journals. He
stepped down in July 2004. He is now a member of the board of the
Public Library of Science, a position for which he is not paid.

Published: May 17, 2005

DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.0020138

Copyright: © 2005 Richard Smith. This is an open-access article
distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution
License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction
in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.

Citation: Smith R (2005) Medical Journals Are an Extension of the
Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies. PLoS Med 2(5): e138

"Journals have devolved into information laundering operations for
the pharmaceutical industry", wrote Richard Horton, editor of the
Lancet, in March 2004 [1]. In the same year, Marcia Angell, former
editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, lambasted the industry
for becoming "primarily a marketing machine" and co-opting "every
institution that might stand in its way" [2]. Medical journals were
conspicuously absent from her list of co-opted institutions, but she
and Horton are not the only editors who have become increasingly queasy
about the power and influence of the industry. Jerry Kassirer, another
former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, argues that the
industry has deflected the moral compasses of many physicians [3], and
the editors of PLoS Medicine have declared that they will not become
"part of the cycle of dependency...between journals and the
pharmaceutical industry" [4]. Something is clearly up."
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 14 Dec 2005 15:23 GMT
>>>Furor erupts at medical journal
>>>
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> them to bury anything that might be embarrassing to AMA, and fully back
> their right to do so.

    The AMA is a professional organization.  It is not OK for me to think
that they would bury any information that may be embarassing for them.
But viewing my own ADA, it is exactly what I'd expect--for their own
official organ to spout their own party line.  This is not some
impartial publically-funded organization, and to expect it not to have a
political bias is naive.

Steve

 No wonder the consumer has lost faith in the
> medical profession. Obviously, medical journal editors don't agree with
> you on this. They are adamant they will have editorial integrity and
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> "part of the cycle of dependency...between journals and the
> pharmaceutical industry" [4]. Something is clearly up."

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fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 15:54 GMT
> >>>Furor erupts at medical journal
> >>>
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>
> Steve

To think it doesn't is naive. To expect it shouldn't is just.

>   No wonder the consumer has lost faith in the
> > medical profession. Obviously, medical journal editors don't agree with
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> 718-258-5001
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 14 Dec 2005 16:09 GMT
> To think it doesn't is naive. To expect it shouldn't is just.

    I suppose you'd say it is just if you think it is a public service
organization and not a professional society.
    I know the teachers union would have you think they serve primarily to
benefit the kids.  I don't believe them either.

Steve

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fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 16:27 GMT
> > To think it doesn't is naive. To expect it shouldn't is just.
>
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>
> Steve

You are overestimating the relationship between the CMA and the CMAJ,
and the editor's resolve to separate them further still. (Read the
pdf). Hooey may not succeed, but it's not like he's re-inventing the
wheel here. It's an issue with most medical journal editors.

> --
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fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 16:34 GMT
> > To think it doesn't is naive. To expect it shouldn't is just.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Steve

Here is the pdf I referred to in a previous post:

The CMAJ editorial on medical journal autonomy:
The editorial autonomy of the Canadian Medical Assoc Journal. an
editorial today from the journal:
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/rapidpdf/cmaj.051608v1
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The CMAJ article questioning the pharmacists interrogation
of women who want the morning after pill:
"Women asked for names, addresses, sexual history".
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/173/12/1435?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hi...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 14 Dec 2005 21:03 GMT
> Here is the pdf I referred to in a previous post:
>
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> http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/173/12/1435?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hi...
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for posting these.

Steve

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Kurt Ullman - 14 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT
>I see. Then it's fine with you if JAMA spouts the party line, and if
>there is some contention about a study, or medical issue, you expect
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>you on this. They are adamant they will have editorial integrity and
>consumers see this as a part of the conflict of interest issue.

  You really think that JAMA doesn't do that already? Especially in
these cases where the article in question wasn't a study of any kind
but essentially an editorial.

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fresh~horses - 14 Dec 2005 19:27 GMT
> >I see. Then it's fine with you if JAMA spouts the party line, and if
> >there is some contention about a study, or medical issue, you expect
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> these cases where the article in question wasn't a study of any kind
> but essentially an editorial.

I'm not sure what you are saying; but it appears most medical journal
editors are fed up and agitating for change. Yes it's a power issue,
and though it may not necessarily protect the consumer, I think that's
one of the goals.

Some other poster spoke about journalistic integrity generally. Just
because it's Entertainment Tonight all round, doesn't mean we LIKE it,
haven't had it to the teeth, and don't want change there too.

I've walked because I exercised my personal integrity. I think more
editors, journalists and writers should try it. It fits good.

> --
>         "Distracting a politician from governing is like distracting a bear from eating your baby."
>                                   --PJ O'Rourke
Howard McCollister - 14 Dec 2005 15:09 GMT
> Why would anyone expect the editor of the official publication of the CMA
> to be independent of the association putting out the journal?
> I hardly expect the Journal of the ADA to be the pinnacle of journalistic
> integrity and independence.  And certainly I would expect the editor of
> the journal to represent the official party line.

Yeh, speaking for myself, I don't view medical journals as anything like
journalism (in fact I don't even view actual journalism in the mass media as
anything like the "journalism" that those outlets would self-righteously
like us to believe they are). I have no expectations about the medical
media's level of journalistic integrity. Like most doctors I know, I am
suspicious of their agenda and I take everything I read there with a grain
of salt. I rarely even bother to read any of their "editorials".

As to JAMA, I (like the vast majority of US doctors) don't even belong to
that silly organization and don't even get that particular magazine.

HMc
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 14 Dec 2005 15:25 GMT
>>Why would anyone expect the editor of the official publication of the CMA
>>to be independent of the association putting out the journal?
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>
> HMc

    I do belong to the ADA, but wonder increasingly why I do.  Used to be
that we'd get our prof. liability, health, disability insurance through
the dental society.  But over the years, I've done as well or better
buying all these policies on my own.

Steve

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Howard McCollister - 14 Dec 2005 15:35 GMT
>> Yeh, speaking for myself, I don't view medical journals as anything like
>> journalism (in fact I don't even view actual journalism in the mass media
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> dental society.  But over the years, I've done as well or better buying
> all these policies on my own.

Years ago, our professional liability carrier required their insureds to be
members of the state medical society, and it used to be that in order to
belong to the state medical society, one had to be a member of the AMA.
There got to be so much furor over that issue that the requirement for
membership in the AMA was dropped.

HMc
nospam@aol.com - 14 Dec 2005 18:32 GMT
>Furor erupts at medical journal
>
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>computer database personal information, including the woman's name and
>address.

Did the women actually buy the drug or just "try to buy".  If they actually
bought it, what did they do with it.  Did they turn it over to the journal
person who asked them to "try to buy" it.  

Ora

>That's not common practice for sale of other behind-the-counter drugs,
>such as sinus medications containing codeine.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051213/HJOURNAL
12/TPHealth/
 
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