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fresh~horses@despammed.com - 08 Dec 2005 18:13 GMT "The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, Indonesia, Guatemala, Haiti and Chile, among many examples. Hundreds of thousands of deaths took place throughout these countries. But you wouldn't know it. It never happened. Even while it was happening it wasn't happening. It didn't matter. There was no interest," he said."
Pinter's Nobel speech condemns U.S. policy Last Updated Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:45:56 EST http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/12/07/Arts/pinter_051207.html CBC Arts
Ailing playwright Harold Pinter used his Nobel Lecture on Wednesday to deliver a fierce attack on U.S. foreign policy.
Pinter, 75, who has been battling cancer for years, was forbidden by doctors from going to Stockholm to receive his Nobel Prize. Instead he delivered his address through a video recording, in which he was seated in a wheelchair with his legs under a red blanket. Harold Pinter makes a speech broadcast from England to Swedish spectators and media at the Swedish Royal Academy in Stockholm, Sweden, Dec. 7, 2005. (AP photo)
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In a speech peppered with the potent silences that are often called "Pinteresque," he accused the U.S. and its ally Britain of trading in death and employing "language to keep thought at bay."
His lecture, entitled Art, Truth and Politics, emphasized the importance of truth in art before decrying its perceived absence in politics.
In a voice that was sometimes hoarse with illness, he said politicians feel it is "essential that people remain in ignorance, that they live in ignorance of the truth, even the truth of their own lives."
President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair came in for the harshest criticism, but Pinter expanded the criticism to "the majority of politicians" who weave "a vast tapestry of lies" to keep themselves in power.
Pinter said that since the Second World War, history has been littered with examples of Washington exercising "a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good."
The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, Indonesia, Guatemala, Haiti and Chile, among many examples.
"Hundreds of thousands of deaths took place throughout these countries. But you wouldn't know it. It never happened. Even while it was happening it wasn't happening. It didn't matter. There was no interest," he said.
He concluded by calling for an "unflinching, unswerving and fierce intellectual determination as citizens to define the real truth of our lives and our societies.
"If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision, we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us: the dignity of man."
Even while discussing his plays, he made digs at the U.S., saying of his own use of humour that "torturers become easily bored; they need a bit of a laugh to keep their spirits up."
Pinter gave insight into the genesis of his plays, saying the first seed was often a single line like the opening of The Homecoming: "What have you done with the scissors?"
The next stage of his creative process is to imagine characters, at first called A, B and C, who would later become people with names, made of "flesh and blood," he said.
Pinter's publisher will be in Stockholm Saturday to collect his prize, valued at 10 million Swedish crowns ($1.4 million).
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Robert - 08 Dec 2005 19:13 GMT <Ailing playwright Harold Pinter used his Nobel Lecture on <Wednesday to <deliver a fierce attack on U.S. foreign policy.
Another attack on the US by a Canadian.
Nobel invented dynamite.
Larry Stowell - 08 Dec 2005 22:20 GMT > <Ailing playwright Harold Pinter used his Nobel Lecture on <Wednesday to > <deliver a fierce attack on U.S. foreign policy. > > Another attack on the US by a Canadian. Yes! I can feel the softwood and beef deal slipping away!
> Nobel invented dynamite. Barney - 09 Dec 2005 05:19 GMT > Yes! I can feel the softwood and beef deal slipping away! Britan sells very little softwood.
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Barney - 09 Dec 2005 05:18 GMT <deliver a fierce attack on U.S. foreign policy.
> Another attack on the US by a Canadian.
Harold Pinter, widely considered Britain's greatest living playwright, has been hospitalized in London.
Sorry to piss on your parade, Robert.
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Robert - 09 Dec 2005 06:18 GMT > <deliver a fierce attack on U.S. foreign policy. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sorry to piss on your parade, Robert. I am not the one pissing on anybody. Mr Printer used his personal forum to piss on people. Is that why he got his Nobel Prize? I am not aware of him posting it here anyways, Zee did and another reflection of her and apparently your view of posting on Sci.Med, a NG that has nothing to do with politics. Do me a favor and take her and you both out of here.
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Barney - 10 Dec 2005 02:22 GMT > I am not the one pissing on anybody. Mr Printer used his personal > forum to piss on people. Is that why he got his Nobel Prize? > I am not aware of him posting it here anyways, Zee did and another > reflection of her and apparently your view of posting on Sci.Med, > a NG that has nothing to do with politics. > Do me a favor and take her and you both out of here. I am posting on Can Politics and so are you. If you don't like truth, ignore it. The truth won't go away but maybe you will.
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 08 Dec 2005 19:24 GMT > "The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the > U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, > Indonesia, Guatemala, Haiti and Chile, among many examples. Hundreds of > thousands of deaths took place throughout these countries. But you > wouldn't know it. It never happened. Even while it was happening it > wasn't happening. It didn't matter. There was no interest," he said." This is just nonsense. Does Pinter think he's the only one who reads the newspaper? And this is posted on sci.med because...
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Robert - 08 Dec 2005 20:06 GMT > > "The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the > > U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Steve Because she can.
Barney - 09 Dec 2005 05:20 GMT >> "The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also >> citing the U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > who reads > the newspaper? Obviously one of the few that comprehends what he do's read.
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David Wright - 09 Dec 2005 03:50 GMT >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, >Indonesia, Guatemala, Haiti and Chile, among many examples. Hundreds of >thousands of deaths took place throughout these countries. But you >wouldn't know it. It never happened. Even while it was happening it >wasn't happening. It didn't matter. There was no interest," he said." As dear ol' Zee once again fails to successfully grapple with the idea that not everything she posts is appropriate for sci.med.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
fresh~horses - 09 Dec 2005 04:43 GMT > >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the > >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As dear ol' Zee once again fails to successfully grapple with the idea > that not everything she posts is appropriate for sci.med. I keep over-estimating you.
David Wright - 09 Dec 2005 23:01 GMT >> >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the >> >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I keep over-estimating you. Doubtful. But I obviously did it with you, since your off-topic-ness actually came as a mild suprise.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
fresh~horses - 09 Dec 2005 23:09 GMT > >> >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the > >> >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Doubtful. But I obviously did it with you, since your off-topic-ness > actually came as a mild suprise. Doubtful I might over-estimate you? Oh my.
Some of the most off-topic things I've posted have have generated long, worthwhile discussions. You know, posts that talk about ideas and issues, not just posts taking pot-shots at the person someone's been taking pot-shots at ad nauseum for years.
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." > -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth David Wright - 10 Dec 2005 00:15 GMT >> >> >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the >> >> >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Some of the most off-topic things I've posted have have generated long, >worthwhile discussions. Who cares? They're still off-topic for sci.med.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
fresh~horses - 10 Dec 2005 00:20 GMT > >> >> >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the > >> >> >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Who cares? They're still off-topic for sci.med. So's all that endless juvenile prattle that doesn't amount to more than "did so"..."did not"... Don't let me interrupt you.
David Wright - 10 Dec 2005 01:15 GMT >> >> >> >"The war in Iraq was just the latest example, he said, also citing the >> >> >> >U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua and U.S. intervention in Greece, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >"did so"..."did not"... >Don't let me interrupt you. In general, I don't participate in that crap.
In addition, "the other guy is doing it too" does not excuse YOU.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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