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transplant Macrophages to cure AIDS and other viruses

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a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 04 Dec 2005 19:08 GMT
a_plutonium@hotmail.com wrote:
> Can someone please tell me if macrophages from one human transplanted
> into a different human will work?
>
> Maybe the answer to AIDS is ultra simple, in that we take some of the
> immune Kenyan prosititutes Macrophages and culture them to increase and
> then simply transplant those cultured Macrophages into infected people.
>
> We give donor blood, so why not donor Macrophages? Does the human body
> recognize foreign macrophages and mount a attack on those foreign
> macrophages?
>
> If all of this is good and true, then the future cure of any and all
> viruses is to find that human that is immune to the specific virus
> because of their unique Macrophages and then culture those macrophages
> and administer them to all infected people.
>
> So let us say bird flu comes on the scene in a pandemic way, we find
> those individuals immune to bird flu-- if memory serves me correctly in
> Vietnam was an elderly man who was immune to bird flu (PBS recent
> documentary). So find this Vietnam man who is carrying bird flu and
> take his Macrophages. Culture them and increase them and then simply
> inject those infected.
>
> Sounds to good and too simple to be true but who knows, maybe it is all
> that very simple.

I wrote that yesterday. And there is news in France of a face
transplant.

What I want to transplant is Macrophages from one body into another
body in order to conquer viruses.

Can we take a macrophage out of a human body and multiply them and then
put them back into a diseased body and cure the viral disease?

I think no-one has experimented with this methodology. A new method to
attack all viral diseases by injecting macrophages that eat viruses or
destroy viruses.

The body needs more to attack new diseases than the old methods of
illiciting a immune response by a vaccine. We need a direct method that
attacks an existing viral outbreak.

So can we multiply Macrophages or other viral predators? And then, can
we safely transplant those Macrophages into a diseased human?

Archimedes Plutonium
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a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 05 Dec 2005 01:20 GMT
The H5N1 bird flu virus seems to have some human immunity as the case
of the Vietnam man who has the disease but under control. The AIDS
virus seems to have also human immunity in several cases reported in
New York. So the question is whether they are immune because of
Macrophages in their bodies or whether it is something else.

Archimedes Plutonium
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a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 06 Dec 2005 08:36 GMT
The world needs a new paradigm or method for curing viral diseases. We
need a new method that does not rely on illiciting a immune response by
a program of vaccination. Vaccinations have worked well, but perhaps
with AIDS since it attacks the immune system itself we need a new
method. And we need a new method in face of a H5N1 viral pandemic that
kills over 50% of those infected in a matter of days, where a vaccine
would be rather helpless in such an onslaught.

I call the vaccine method the indirect method, or passive method or
round-about method. I want a new method that is very much more direct.
Hand me a patient who is sick with a viral disease and I offer a direct
cure, on the spot that very day.

So I think the direct method involves what eats viruses in our bodies
and that is the Macrophages. It could be other cells in our body but
macrophages seem to be the major cells that eat viruses.

So the Logic is simple and direct. We find a way of increasing
Macrophages out of the body and we inject them into sick people.
Decades back we heard alot about "magic bullet" for cancer but never a
reality of a magic bullet. Well I think if this Macrophage program
works and begins to work well, we finally will have achieved the
Medical Magic Bullet, because if it can be made to work will one day
not only eat viruses but can be directed to eat cancer cells. So the
cure for viruses will be the cure for cancer.

So I ask, has there ever been preformed a culturing of macrophages out
of the body and made to increase the number and then transplanted back
into a body and what the results were? Did the animal reject the
macrophages? Or did the animal see signs of improvement? Perhaps such
an experiment has never been done before, and I would be surprized if
it had not. So we need to know what such a result would be.

It is time for the world to have another method of attacking viral
diseases other than our old one of vaccination.

Archimedes Plutonium
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a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 06 Dec 2005 20:55 GMT
Now if this new method of Macrophage Transplant is successive in any
way shape or form of combating a viral disease, then it is my hope that
we can biotech the macrophages to not only seek and destroy viruses but
also biotech them to attract viruses to come to the macrophage, sort of
like a magnet that attracts.

Now it is obvious that we can transplant human stem cells into
individuals. Whether we can transplant stem cells from one different
human into another different human is not known to me whether the body
rejects foreign stem cells. But if stem cells are transplantable then
it would imply that macrophages are transplantable.

The key here is to develop a direct method of attacking viruses and
curing a viral disease rather than the old method of vaccine illiciting
a immune response.

We need at least another method to ward off viral diseases.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
ashishtiwari.com@gmail.com - 13 Dec 2005 06:46 GMT
sorry!
but increassing the number of macrophases wont help
i agree that the life time of a infected person person might increase
by this method.but this is no way cure to hivs.i have a cure method if
u wish to know.u can mail me at jelly999@rediffmail.com
Arcie Mizelle - 02 Apr 2006 04:24 GMT
Macrophages function as antigen presenting cells.  They are only a part of
the bodies immune system.  They are an important part of the immune casacade
mobilized to fight infections.  The lymphocytes also function in the
destruction of virus particles.  Transplanted macrophages, if not matched to
the recipient will elicit an immune response.

> a_plutonium@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Can someone please tell me if macrophages from one human transplanted
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> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
 
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