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Neurodegenerative disorders / Melatonin
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ironjustice@aol.com - 23 Nov 2005 11:30 GMT 7 Melatonin and 6-hydroxymelatonin protect against iron-induced neurotoxicity. Maharaj DS, Maharaj H, Daya S, Glass BD J Neurochem. 2005 Nov 21;
Oxidative damage of biological macromolecules is a hallmark of most neurodegenerative disorders such as Alzheimer, Parkinson and diffuse Lewy body diseases. Another important phenomenon involved in these disorders is the alteration of iron homeostasis, with an increase in iron levels. The present study investigated whether 6-hydroxymelatonin (6-OHM) can reduce Fe(2+)-induced lipid peroxidation and necrotic cell damage in the rat hippocampus in vivo. It was found that 6-OHM administration proved successful in reducing Fe(2+)-induced neurotoxicity in rat hippocampus. This study provides some evidence of the neuroprotective effects of 6-OHM
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outsor@citynet.net - 23 Nov 2005 15:53 GMT "Oxidative damage of biological macromolecules is a hallmark of most neurodegenerative disorders such as Alzheimer, Parkinson and diffuse Lewy body diseases. Another important phenomenon involved in these disorders is the alteration of iron homeostasis, with an increase in iron levels."
Just so, the disorders cause the usual control of iron to go out of control and levels rise,high iron didn't proceed the disorders, a dog and tail story.
ironjustice@aol.com - 23 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT What part of cold nuts .. caught .. falsifying medical studies .. don't you understand .. ?
Serious .. charge ..
Speak to it .. you piece of sht ..
Or .. stay the fk off my posts ..
YOU .. specifically .. altered medical studies ..
Explain that ..
How does that .. fit .. in your mind .. ?
Does that make you .. mentally .. ill .. ?
Are you actively working in the medical .. field .. ?
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Sylv - 24 Nov 2005 00:10 GMT Hey, Doughnut!
>Are you actively working in the medical .. field .. ? Are YOU??? Brahahahahahahaha!!!!
Genghis Khan's Wife - 24 Nov 2005 00:35 GMT KEWL, then maybe you can explain how they can fix a man . Making a pill that makes him hotter than AZ in the summer. But they cure not, breast cancer, alzheimer or just just about anything having to due with women's heatlh. Just wondering
> Hey, Doughnut! > > >Are you actively working in the medical .. field .. ? > > Are YOU??? Brahahahahahahaha!!!! granola - 28 Nov 2005 16:30 GMT FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn a man on with a pill, but to cure a disease is new ground. i'm hoping it happens soon. for everybody's sake.
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outsor@citynet.net - 28 Nov 2005 17:03 GMT "FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn a man on with a pill, but to cure a disease is new ground. i'm hoping it happens soon. for everybody's sake."
What would a "cure" look like if one should occur?
Rob Duncan - 28 Nov 2005 18:14 GMT > FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have > erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn > a man on with a pill, but to cure a disease is new ground. i'm hoping > it happens soon. for everybody's sake. > > jo Weve cured 100's of diseases. What are you talking about?
Rob
Evelyn Ruut - 28 Nov 2005 21:16 GMT >> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rob I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps the person just has an odd way of expressing themself.
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Karen - 29 Nov 2005 01:01 GMT > I was thinking the same thing. > Perhaps the person just has an odd way of expressing themself. Evelyn, you're sooo tactful. :-)
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Evelyn Ruut - 29 Nov 2005 04:13 GMT >> I was thinking the same thing. >> Perhaps the person just has an odd way of expressing themself. > > Evelyn, you're sooo tactful. :-) > > Karen hee hee!
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Anthony Shipley - 29 Nov 2005 06:55 GMT >> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn >> a man on with a pill, but to cure a disease is new ground. i'm hoping >> it happens soon. for everybody's sake.
>Weve cured 100's of diseases. What are you talking about? It might resolve the question more easily if you cite a disease we've cured.
Granola's point might be that "curing" applies to an individual. In that case, "eradicated" might be better in this context (as far as I know there's only one disease that has been --all but-- eradicated but can't remember which.
As for granola's comments, is he suggesting that a disease _has_ been cured prior to written history?
Might there be an argument that, some long time ago, we, man, has cured a disease but, subsequently, the cure no longer worked -- might be the first incidence of an anti-biotic?
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Evelyn Ruut - 29 Nov 2005 12:32 GMT >>> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >>> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > anthony shipley Leprosy, Tuberculosis come to mind first thing. These were once devastating diseases that were a death sentence years ago.
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Evelyn Ruut - 29 Nov 2005 14:12 GMT >>>> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >>>> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Leprosy, Tuberculosis come to mind first thing. These were once > devastating diseases that were a death sentence years ago. I just also considered the great Cholera and Diptheria and Smallpox epidemics of the past.... and thank goodness for water purification which prevents so many of these horrible scourges of the past.
We are fortunate to live in times when many of these diseases are no longer realities to us.
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kamel - 29 Nov 2005 20:15 GMT smallpox infections are found nowhere in the world now. It was declared officially to be eradicated in 1979. The Variola virus, which causes it, is only known to exist in laboratories and may exist in biological warfare sites, which is why we might still have cause to fear it.
>>>> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >>>> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Leprosy, Tuberculosis come to mind first thing. These were once > devastating diseases that were a death sentence years ago. Rob Duncan - 29 Nov 2005 14:28 GMT >>> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >>> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > anthony shipley I cant say I understand your point. Theres no need for me to list the hundreds of disease and conditions which we now have cures for. I think what would be more fruitfull would be for the claiment to properly define *his* usage of the word cure. Cause as it stands, it sounds to be an assinine statement.
Rob
Evelyn Ruut - 29 Nov 2005 14:53 GMT >>>> FYI- man has never cured a disease in written history. we have >>>> erradicated, quarantined, vaccinated but never cured. so they can turn [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> first >> incidence of an anti-biotic?
> I cant say I understand your point. Theres no need for me to list the > hundreds of disease and conditions which we now have cures for. I think [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rob I think probably that almost all of us are in agreement with that. "Granola" is all wet.
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ironjustice@aol.com - 24 Nov 2005 04:38 GMT >Are you actively working in the medical .. field .. ? Are YOU??? Brahahahahahahaha!!!! <<
I don't have to ..
I don't falsify medical studies ..
He altered medical studies ..
He potentially .. is attempting .. to .. KILL .. people ..
He has been caught .. twice .. spouting KNOWN .. lies ..
I 'm pretty sure YOU.. don't .. find it .. offensive .. but you and he are pretty much cut from the same bolt .. so .. why WOULD you find it .. offensive ..
Hell .. you've probably .. done it ..
You probably aren't even vegetarian .. just too .. 'picture perfect' .. when it comes to your attempts at attacking me .. and the WAYS you have used ..
Like greaseball .. 'makes up' .. medical studies and YOU .. 'just so happen' .. to BE .. 'vegetarian' ..
Eh ..
Scuse me if I don't .. believe .. ya ..
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Sylv - 24 Nov 2005 05:42 GMT >You probably aren't even vegetarian .. just too .. 'picture perfect' .. >when it comes to your attempts at attacking me .. and the WAYS you have >used .. Listen, jerk, I have been a vegetarian for over 30 years. How long have YOU been one?
And, just for your information, being a vegetarian does NOT make a person sweet and gentle. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian.
I attack you and your bogus theories with reason and logic, not the obscene gutter language you have such a liking for.
So stuff it.
Sylvia
Michael - 24 Nov 2005 06:48 GMT > So stuff it. > > Sylvia F*ckin' *A*, Tom.
What she *said*!
ironjustice@aol.com - 24 Nov 2005 14:41 GMT >>I attack you and your bogus theories with reason and logic, not the obscene gutter language you have such a liking for.<<
Who you trying to .. fool .. ?
Me .. ?
Yourself .. ?
I place a medical study .. and you .. attack it ..
Fk .. off ..
You are too stupid to even bother with ..
But .. comes with the .. territory you fkd up pce of sht ..
So ..
You ":don't like gutter talk" .. then once again .. read my lips .. Stay.. The .. FK .. AWAY FRM ME ..
Dig .. ? Unnerstand ..? Comfkgprendez .. ?
PS: Hitler .. was as much a vegetarian .. as you .. are ..
The following article was written by Roberta Kalechofsky, and appeared in the November 1996 issue of "The Animals' Agenda."
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In their efforts to discredit animal rights activists, supporters of animal research periodically proclaim to the media that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian and that the Nazis did not engage in animal research.
The implication is that these 'revelations' suggest a sinister similarity between Nazis and animal rights 'zealots' and serve as a warning that animal advocates have an anti-human agenda.
But the real story about Hitler and the Nazis is miles from the myth.
One legitimate response to such claims is that it doesn't matter whether Hitler was a vegetarian; as Peter Singer said, "The fact that Hitler had a nose doesn't mean we're going to cut our noses off."
Biographical material about Hitler suggests a contradictoriness in reports about his diet. He is often described as a vegetarian who nevertheless had a special fondness for sausages and caviar, and sometimes ham.
One of his biographers, Robert Payne ("The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler) took exception to the view of Hitler as an ascetic, and said it was deliberately fostered by the Nazis to project an image of Hitler as pure and dedicated.
Wrote Payne: "Hitler's asceticism played an important part in the image he projected over Germany. According to the widely believed legend, he neither smoked nor drank, nor did he have anything to do with women.
"Only the first was true. He drank beer and diluted wine frequently, had a special fondness for Bavarian sausages, and kept a mistress...
"His asceticism was a fiction invented by (Nazi propagandist Joseph) Goebbels to emphasize his total dedication, his self-control, the distance that separated him from other men..."
Biographer John Toland ("Adolf Hitler"), describes Hitler's early student diet as consisting of "milk, sausage, and bread."
Moreover, Hitler never promoted vegetarianism as a public policy for either health or moral reasons. His lack of policies and public support for vegetarianism is significant in a leader who rigorously enforced other health policies, such as anti-smoking and anti-pollution legislation, and pregnancy and birthing measures for women.
The rumor that the Nazis passed an anti- vivisection law is also filled with contradictions. No such law was passed, although the Nazis reported that such a law existed. The Nazis allegedly passed an anti-vivisection bill in 1933.
"Lancet," the prestigious British medical journal, reviewed the Nazis' law in 1934 and warned anti-vivisectionists not to celebrate because the Nazis' law was no different, in effect, from the British law that had been passed in 1876, which restricted some animal research, but hardly eliminated it. An enormous amount of research on animals continued to be carried out by Nazi doctors.
The evidence of Nazi experiments on animals is overwhelming. In "The Dark Face of Science," author John Vyvyan summed it up correctly:
"The experiments made on prisoners were many and diverse, but they had one thing in common: all were in continuation of or complementary to, experiments on animals.
"In every instance, this antecedent scientific literature is mentioned in the evidence, and at Buchenvald and Auschwitz concentration camps, human and animal experiments were carried out simultaneously as parts of a single programme."
It is important that the facts be known so that the myths about Hitler and the Nazis cannot be used against the animal rights and vegetarian movements.
Animal rights advocates should not let these false claims appear in the media unchallenged. The record must be set straight.
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Roberta Kalechofsky is a writer, publisher, and the president of Jews for Animal Rights.
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Sylv - 24 Nov 2005 15:22 GMT >You ":don't like gutter talk" .. then once again .. read my lips .. >Stay.. The .. FK .. AWAY FRM ME ..
>Dig .. ? >Unnerstand ..? >Comfkgprendez .. ?
>PS: Hitler .. was as much a vegetarian .. as you .. are .. Once again, showing your true colors. Did it ever occur to you that real medical researchers don't get on Usenet groups and use such half-literate, obscene language?
But at least you have posted something interesting about Hitler. Never read this article before. I did know that some do not believe he was a true vegetarian.
I certainly don't have to defend my own vegetarian diet to the likes of you, though. I have nothing to prove to losers such as yourself. If you are calling me a liar, it doesn't bother me.
Just like the rabid dog behind the fence barking does not stop me.
Sylvia
Gwen Love - 24 Nov 2005 23:08 GMT This has nothing to do with Alzheimers. Please leave our newsgroup out of this. Thanks. Gwen
> >You probably aren't even vegetarian .. just too .. 'picture perfect' .. >>when it comes to your attempts at attacking me .. and the WAYS you have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sylvia ironjustice@aol.com - 25 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT >>This has nothing to do with Alzheimers. Please leave our newsgroup out of this. Thanks. Gwen <<
Actually .. if you notice in the study .. Alzheimers' .. IS .. specifically .. mentioned ..
Now I don't know how you came about the .. conclusion .. this has nothing to do WITH .. alzheimers .. but I will in this case assume it is a .. patient who is asking .. and NOT a .. caregiver ..
So .. I'll talk to you like I would a .. alzheimers .. patient ..
Oxidation .. bad .. Increased oxidation .. very bad ..
Have a cookie ..
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<<snip>> Oxidative damage of biological macromolecules is a hallmark of most neurodegenerative disorders such as Alzheimer, Parkinson and diffuse Lewy body diseases. <<snip>>
Sylv - 25 Nov 2005 03:47 GMT Tom;
>So .. I'll talk to you like I would a .. >alzheimers .. patient ..
>Oxidation .. bad .. >Increased oxidation .. very bad ..
>Have a cookie .. You never cease to amaze me.
Did anyone ever tell you that you are a mean, insensitive waste of carbon and water?
I can't believe what you have just written.
You are one sorry excuse for a human being.
Sylvia
Michael - 24 Nov 2005 00:21 GMT > What part of cold nuts .. caught .. falsifying medical studies .. don't > you understand .. ? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > YOU .. specifically .. altered medical studies .. Say, Tom... you're not playing fair.
What exactly did he alter?
He merely commented on a verbatim quote from the abstract you posted.
> Explain that .. > > How does that .. fit .. in your mind .. ? > > Does that make you .. mentally .. ill .. ? I have a feeling that all this stress is making *you* mentally ill, Tom.
Are you off your meds again?
> Are you actively working in the medical .. field .. ? <snort!> You'll show him your "medical field" credentials in return, I presume?
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