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Medical Forum / General / General / November 2005relative risk of cannabis and alcohol with respect to psychosis and schizophrenia
Hello. I'm starting this discussion in an attempt to clarify an issue that has been puzzling me for a while. I'm interested in the risk of (ab)using drugs like cannabis and alcohol with respect to psychological problems like psychosis and mental disorders like schizophrenia. I'd like to ask anyone who feels like participating in this discussion to carefully read the following three webpages in order to acquire some background information on the subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4109360.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4104702.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4104708.stm I'd like to hear from experts on mental health (psychiatrists, neurologists, etc.) how they figure out exactly the differences and similarities between usage of alcohol and usage of cannabis with respect to a potential increase in risk to develop schizophrenia or with respect to the incidence of psychosis. I'm not interested in other health risks associated with using cannabis or alcohol, but only their risk with respect to one's mental health. Neither am I interested in a political debate about the legality of these substances or the best approach to minimize drug abuse and the associated harms. So I'm only interested in the science of mental health as it relates to using these two drugs and putting their relative risk in perspective by comparing and relating them to each other. I want to know specifically whether cannabis is relatively safe compared to alcohol in this respect or vica versa or whether these two pose an equally large risk for one's mental health. Or, if this question is futile or absurd to begin with and whether I'm perhaps trying to compare apples to oranges in this discussion. Thanks a lot to anybody who can help me out understanding this issue, Niek Sorry, I can't help much. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do dope. The critics also point out that if cannabis really was causing schizophrenia then there should bean increased incidence to match the rise in teenage consumption of cannabis. However in 2003 researchers at the University of New South Wales in Sydney found that, despite a steep rise in cannabis use among Australian teenagers over the past 30 years, there had been no rise in the prevalence of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a disorder of relationship, it is not something you get it is something you are doing. And that is seperating yourself from reality. The cure is described in the Knee of LIstening. Marijuna makes things more intense and if you are schizophrenic it may make that more intense. I had a freind who smoked so much pot that he forget how to speak. He remembered after stopping. Sugar come by and get me high, get me high. f.ck off you poxxy brain dead c.nt > f.ck off you poxxy brain dead c.nt Thanks for these heartwarming comments, you're too kind. If only there were more people like you making a real effort to contribute to this discussion. I know that Cannabis makes me to collect garbage and found objection a waste matter. Cannabis does cause a paranoia _worsen_ be a schziophrenia shut off from the world=How mush does one smoke a day?off limit for paranoia schizophrenia intensify or get losen by the situation, influencial indifferent with bodytypes. I know I would not wake on the tight rope a while on high, only when there is a net below to catch me Id give a try to walk on it. Strange, getting high from smoking cannabis makes me feel normal. I dont mind to have a Cannabis as a medication in the cabinet. A medications are toxic when overdoze. I dont drink an alcohol, an alcohol make my personality extroverted. A mere bad hemps make one introverted paranoia give a bad headaches. A medications are toxic when overdoze. ....fear of the police can cause a bad trip......legalize cannabis! ...and fights with the police (its a long long story) causes aggression within, that is unbalancing and disruptive. Basically cannabis is a occult sensitizer...totally different from alcohol...its always used tradionally in a religious and ritual context. In the west due to the f.cked up 'set and setting' for such sensitivity in this society, people fall into bad trips and this sometimes becomes very very frightening and becomes permanentized sometimes as a diagnosis such as skiztaphenia...a diagnosis bad enough to cause the disease when you keep remembering this (especially if you are surrounded by people that keep validating this abusive 'diagnosis') being a pyscriatric patient is like being a victim of mulitple rape...very very diempowering and really being vampired. We are survivors! My end thoughts on all of this is that I favour the Pashtun approach to this western government disease. Allah Akbar. Amen brother, that made a hell of alot more sence that all the psycho babble the powers that be would have shoved down our throats. I am glad to see I am not alone in my belief that the anti drug movement has spun up a bunch of made up bull sh.t to make a point. Have you ever noticed that the poeple who support legalization never go to these extremes to make the point they want to make? They simply present the facts and hope that every ones common sence will prevail. Rock on!! ...because its a religious drug when correctly used in the consciousness of a tribal shamman who effects the people around him by his trip, then this is the contreversial aspect and the aspect that they, or rather 'the beast' that is made by ritual child abuse is is how society, and the individual american, britisher is made, this is the horrific truth about 'westworld'. if you have a channel that is breaking the masonic abuse fear power and instead catalysing tribal soverignty consciousness then this is threat to the existing manor of the mace...and the tendancy of the mace's order is to isolate and send mentall ill...'skitzaphrenic' the sekf same channel/saint (that would be respected as a channel of asupicious realities/DEITIES (crux) in the east)...Again this is 'spirit talk'...the reality behind the ilssuion of normal reality...the stuff 'they' don't want you to know and instead say oh thats indicitive of a skitzaphrenia..oh dear I feel a masturbation urge coming on. Shame we have gun control here in blightyworld. EXODUS. ...yeah you say it makes sense, and of course it does, but 'they', the oppsosition, the 'beast' always trys to pervert the tructh, pervert the saints of Allah....the same old story, just skitzo is the latest anti witch device of this sick mind/reality disease called the west. I got into direct action as a way of taking revenge...you know, what they call 'NVDA' (Non violent direct action)...seriously by now I've probably pixied as we call it more machines than anyone else on the planet. I just lob some Mother Earth in the fuel tanks...ideally the fill up tanker ...construction sites, quarry's etc etc etc etc. The rape of the Mother Earth is a manifestation of the anti occult ritual child abuse of the mace. If we were fully awake then we would percieve the living reality of the Sacred Mother Witch and so would not explot and abuse her for money. Skitzo hears something and interprites it as disease...oh the toilet has demons (no don't start masturbating)....well maybe this is code for STOP sh.tting ON ME YOU STUPID WESTERN PRICK. (i.e deal with you sh.t in a ecologically sound manner please) > I got into direct action as a way of taking revenge...you know, what > they call 'NVDA' (Non violent direct action)...seriously by now I've [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (i.e deal with you sh.t in a ecologically sound manner please) http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderata.html ..ok hear voices then. > ..ok hear voices then. You're not a scientologist by any chance are you? Cause I've heard they also completely refuse to accept the existence of psychosis and schizophrenia. ...again my drug dealer 'name' geezer, in the western context cannabis should be shared and not sold because there should be no spearation, no punters, and so no skitzaphenia. (but these bastards will never recognise this (until they experience the 'disease' themselves) and deserve a good slap) > ...again my drug dealer 'name' geezer, in the western context cannabis > should be shared and not sold because there should be no spearation, no > punters, and so no skitzaphenia. > > (but these bastards will never recognise this (until they experience > the 'disease' themselves) and deserve a good slap) As soon as coffeeshops start dispensing cannabis for free I would be more than happy to dispense it for free (except postage and packaging costs) by mail. I don't see any difference between coffeeshops selling cannabis and supermarkets selling alcohol and tobacco, except perhaps that the supermarkets are pushing addictive and lethal drugs. > > ...again my drug dealer 'name' geezer, in the western context cannabis > > should be shared and not sold because there should be no spearation, no [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > be more than happy to dispense it for free (except postage > and packaging costs) by mail. Rubbish - thats no excuse. > I don't see any difference between coffeeshops selling cannabis and > supermarkets selling alcohol and tobacco, except perhaps that > the supermarkets are pushing addictive and lethal drugs. Cannabis should not be sold here - it is a religious sacrement and not a 'recreational' toy or something...a sacrement for a personnal and collective consciousness and reality change towards that of sharing (basically). WHICH WONT HAPPEN IF THE TRIP IS CONTAINED WITHIN PUNTERWORLD. Not only wont this happen, but additionally one risks a negative 'opening' into fear and a pyscriatric trip. Ultimately cannabis is about religion... or skitzaphrenia. Have it your way. > > > ...again my drug dealer 'name' geezer, in the western context cannabis > > > should be shared and not sold because there should be no spearation, no [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Rubbish - thats no excuse. It's no excuse, it's just the way it works. If I would be dispensing cannabis for free I would soon run out of money and end up bumming the streets. > > I don't see any difference between coffeeshops selling cannabis and > > supermarkets selling alcohol and tobacco, except perhaps that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Have it your way.' That's just your outlook on things, no reason to impose it on others. Although I do agree there is a spiritual side to cannabis, that doesn't mean it's a nice recreational means for intoxication as well. I'm not religious myself and I have no respect whatsoever for people trying to impose their religious convictions on others. ...no thats emprical evidence as per traditional use of cannabis! (always being of ritual/religious nature.) If you go to Kumoan, India, for example, where I've been, up into the mountains where Hindu's go for spiritual pilgrimage, and renewal and so one, you pilgrimage routes up into the high peaks, through ancient villages unconnected to roads, mostly without electricity, (some with and the mad Hindu satellite tv), along these routes you'll find rest houses. In these simple but comfortable houses religious devotees smoke chillums of charras. As they proceed up the mountain they smoke more and eventually, at dawn your guide takes you up to the col, where you see the blinding light of god. (you don't have to do the trip with a guide or stay in rest houses of course...its very very fluffy generally, less so where lots of westerners have been). Its like you could imagine Wales, UK, several hundred years ago, before bristish colonialisation...like modern wales should be. there's no fear there...that was the amazing thing. No pedo paranoia towards strangers/dreads..a people not 'programmed' by ritual child abusers basically into paranoia.....an amazing innocence. OM SHAKTI! >I want to know specifically whether cannabis is relatively safe >compared to alcohol in this respect or vica versa or whether these two >pose an equally large risk for one's mental health. Neither one poses a threat to one's mental health. But I'd stay away from crystal-meth, pcp, crack/cocaine, lsd, shrooms/peyote, ecstasy, dxm/robo or heroin. >Or, if this >question is futile or absurd to begin with and whether I'm perhaps >trying to compare apples to oranges in this discussion. each affects every person differently, but alcohol causes more mayhem in society by far, generally speaking. >Thanks a lot to anybody who can help me out understanding this issue, >Niek depends on the person, what they can handle, if they're alcoholics then they may be worse off doing that. if they're habitual weed smokers, that causes no permanent damage that anyone has been able to prove in a scientific setting. weed makes some people paranoid, and so they prefer not to do it...though.  Signature"The US has lost its high moral ground & its ability to lead on peace and elsewhere." --Irene Khan |
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