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Medical Forum / General / General / October 2005Question for those that have been to Med school
Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional books? In my opinion and that of most. Nothing can replace real libraries and real books. John  SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 >Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >books? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John John, Prove that it is the opinion of most? BB http://www.biblebob.net Bible John and Bible Bob! Hey you guyz friends of Jan's? Bible Joel >>Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >>books? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >BB >http://www.biblebob.net > Bible John and Bible Bob! > > Hey you guyz friends of Jan's? > > Bible Joel Bob is false teacher, a spiritual terrorist that believes that Jesus was a god, was born, and also denies the trinity. He may know greek well, and ministry philosophy, but himself denying essential doctrine will sadly lead to his death. I pray that he will be saved before his due time. John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 >> Bible John and Bible Bob! >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >John Deceiver John, Can't you get anything right? Jesus Christ is a god; not was a god. Jesus Christ was born. And you are right He does deny the trinity. Prove from the Word of God that belief in the trinity is an "essential doctrine of salvation" That's your second death wish this week. Why do you lie to God? Why do you charge God with inability to save lil ole me who has been saved longer than you have been alive? Why do you lay evil at God's feet? Do you ever think about what you say? By the way, dummy; explain how I could be a "false teacher" and not "saved." You are so ignorant. 2 Peter 2:1 KJV But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Are you so stupid that you can not see that the words "Lord that bought them" refers to "false teachers?" You are a false teacher who was bought by the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore you are saved. But you are so filled with envy, arrogance, and deceit that you can do nothing but teach damnable heresies. You "claim" to be a teacher. I have never claimed in any post that I have ever posted that I am an apostles, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher. ******* BB Conservatives love America for what she was, is, and can be. Liberals love America for what she can do for them. >>Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >>books? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >BB >http://www.biblebob.net REPLY Thanks for your excellent website! It is awesome. Bible Joel visit: www.Bible.Joel.Com > Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for > traditional books? > > In my opinion and that of most. Nothing can replace real libraries > and real books. Nobody claims they do. However the days when "libraries" and "real books" (Don't libraries have real books?) were the only source of information is gone. Many first year med school courses have no book requirements. Some use standard textbooks that have been around for years. However once past these basics the emphasis in med school today is teaching people how to learn and that today requires resources that conventional books aren't very good for. The Internet offers massive amounts of information at no cost but the scholar knows where to find what he or she needs and realizes there is a cost associated with it. >> Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for >> traditional books? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >(Don't libraries have real books?) were the only source of information is >gone. I agree Bible Mike. You make some good points. Bible joel >Many first year med school courses have no book requirements. This is why doctors do not know crap these days ...... sorry. Bible Joel >Some use standard textbooks that have been around for years. >However once past these basics the emphasis in med school today is teaching [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >scholar knows where to find what he or she needs and realizes there is a >cost associated with it. >>> Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for >>> traditional books? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bible Joel Really? I'm not sure what you mean by "these days" but I've seen an over all improvement in MD's, at least in the EMS interface I'm familiar with. Docs coming out of med school today can actually take care of people because they know both how and why. They knew the why in 1961 when I started, but not the how. The courses that don't require books are teaching the how part of an education. >The Internet offers massive amounts of information at no cost but the >scholar knows where to find what he or she needs and realizes there is a >cost associated with it. Yo Bible Mike! Not so. The internet contains information and data, but contains very little KNOWLEDGE. Just ask Bible Jan. Signed, Bible Joel > The internet contains information and data, but contains very little > KNOWLEDGE. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bible Joel Its called Information Overload and is a phenomon (spelling) very common these days. In my Human relations in Business book we covered such a term. John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 >> The internet contains information and data, but contains very little >> KNOWLEDGE. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >John You wrote a human relations book? I doubt it. ******* BB Conservatives love America for what she was, is, and can be. Liberals love America for what she can do for them. > Nobody claims they do. However the days when "libraries" and "real books" > (Don't libraries have real books?) were the only source of information is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > scholar knows where to find what he or she needs and realizes there is a > cost associated with it. Fine I'll give these schools a call Monday to prove my point. SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 > Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional > books? > > In my opinion and that of most. Nothing can replace real libraries and > real books. Bah..."real books" and journals are being replaced right and left with digital versions, and libraries are fast becoming "media centers", where they may have books, but most of the studying is done via laptop and wireless connection. Maybe books are still the only learning tool in the glacially-paced church biz, but in science, they're good for background and basics only - areas where the fact that they were written 3-4 years before publication doesn't matter. HMc I agree with Bible Howard. Mashall McLuhan wrote, "Gutenberg Galaxy" which later was interpreted as a prescient work. Bible Joel >> Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >> books? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >HMc > Bah..."real books" and journals are being replaced right and left with > digital versions, and libraries are fast becoming "media centers", where > they may have books, but most of the studying is done via laptop and > wireless connection. Yeah right. Libraries exist everywhere. No I have been to 2 colleges and most studying is done via book. > Maybe books are still the only learning tool in the glacially-paced church > biz, but in science, they're good for background and basics only - areas > where the fact that they were written 3-4 years before publication doesn't > matter. > > HMc John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 > Yeah right. Libraries exist everywhere. No I have been to 2 colleges > and most studying is done via book. And based on just these two colleges you're making statements about all the rest? SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius > And based on just these two colleges you're making statements about all > the rest? I bet money the same rule applies to all liberal arts colleges. Mike the whole world does not revolve around computer trade schools. IT tech institute is a trade school. And yes I bet in these places students are required to use their computers more than books. In know this because in the business technology program at the JC I attended this was the case. That was way way back in 1999 also. John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 > > And based on just these two colleges you're making statements about all > > the rest? > > I bet money the same rule applies to all liberal arts colleges. Well, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't make any claim to know, having been out of college and grad school since 1986. My point is that you're taking observations from two colleges and making a broad statement about colleges in general rather than first asking what others' observations are and then making a broad statement. Not only that, you specifically asked about medical schools, not liberal arts colleges. > Mike the whole world does not revolve around computer trade schools. What's the relevance? Again, you asked about medical schools and then shifted to liberal arts colleges. No one mentioned computer trade schools until you just brought them up. By the way, I graduated from Cornell in 1979 and from Yale in 1986. SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius > Well, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't make any claim to know, > having been out of college and grad school since 1986. My point is that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > By the way, I graduated from Cornell in 1979 and from Yale in 1986. Okay Okay I was wrong, dont need to rub it in. SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 >> And based on just these two colleges you're making statements about all >> the rest? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >John WOW! Way back in 1999. Do you need some arthritus medicine and something to keep your hair and teeth from falling out old man. ******* BB Conservatives love America for what she was, is, and can be. Liberals love America for what she can do for them. >> Bah..."real books" and journals are being replaced right and left with >> digital versions, and libraries are fast becoming "media centers", where [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yeah right. Libraries exist everywhere. No I have been to 2 colleges > and most studying is done via book. I thought you were talking about medical school... HMc >> Bah..."real books" and journals are being replaced right and left with >> digital versions, and libraries are fast becoming "media centers", where [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Yeah right. Libraries exist everywhere. No I have been to 2 colleges >and most studying is done via book. You assume that your limited experience is a source of truth? No wonder you don't know anything about anything. >> Maybe books are still the only learning tool in the glacially-paced church >> biz, but in science, they're good for background and basics only - areas [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >John ******* BB Conservatives love America for what she was, is, and can be. Liberals love America for what she can do for them. : > Bah..."real books" and journals are being replaced right and left with : > digital versions, and libraries are fast becoming "media centers", where [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Yeah right. Libraries exist everywhere. No I have been to 2 colleges : and most studying is done via book. Two whole colleges, eh? >In my opinion and that of most. Nothing can replace real libraries and >real books. > >John I'm pretty sure that's exactly what scribes said about the printing press. >>In my opinion and that of most. Nothing can replace real libraries and >>real books. >> >>John Bible Carey wrote, >I'm pretty sure that's exactly what scribes said about the printing press. REPLY from Bible Joel YUP, and before writing became extant, oral tradition was where it was at. Before the codification of the Bible, the naysayers said "writing it all down would wreck everything." Who knows, maybe they were right. Thanks Bible Carey. Signed Bible Joel >Bible Carey wrote, I know of no such person. In fact, that reply puts you about one reply away from the killfile as just another nutcase crossposting to sci.med. But, somehow, you're nutcase-ness is familiar. I wonder who it reminds me of..... Good sense of humor Dude ...... >>Bible Carey wrote, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >But, somehow, you're nutcase-ness is familiar. I wonder who it reminds me >of..... > Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional > books? > > In my opinion and that of most. Nothing can replace real libraries and > real books. How do online bibles compare to the pulp ones? moo >> Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >> books? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >moo I dunno but I think I saw that movie, Pulp Bible." Bible Joel > How do online bibles compare to the pulp ones? > > moo To the average joe nothing. But to the bible college educated much! One can buy a study bible and get far more depth and even they are very limited! But at least there is depth. Sadly the majority of christians do not read their bibles these days and would never discover this. John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 >> How do online bibles compare to the pulp ones? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >John And for all your edumacation, you can't recognize a spoof. A Cemetary education has destroyed many a young Christian. Terrell Conservatives love America for what she was and hate her for what she is ... Liberals love America for what she is, but realize there's room for improvement. >> How do online bibles compare to the pulp ones? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >John John, Obviously, you are one who does not read his Bible very much because you know nothing about it. At best you can cut and paste comments from Bible quacks about what you don't understand. But you are not a "Christian;" only an autistic babe in Christ. Or; would it be more politically correct for me to say that you are a babe with learning disabilities (evny, arrogance, pride, hatred). Or; should you be referred to as a spiritual cripple? It is so hard to keep up with the politically correct language of our time. ******* BB Conservatives love America for what she was, is, and can be. Liberals love America for what she can do for them. >Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >books? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John *** >Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional >books? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John Were not there yet guy. The money men are at work and they want to charge each student $6K. And no selling used disks either! Its money at work again! I agree about books but few others agree with us. Joel > In my opinion and that of most. Please cite your source supporting the opinion of "most." > Nothing can replace real libraries and real books. If you can gain specific information from multiple sources, how is it relevant which source you used? For example: 1. You go to your internist with various symptoms, he does a differential diagnosis and prescribes medication. How does it matter whether he came to that conclusion from a book or from an electronic source? 2. You have an operation. How does it matter whether the surgeon first read about that site in print or electronically? SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius > Please cite your source supporting the opinion of "most." Yeah my subjective opinion is not fact. Very true. > > Nothing can replace real libraries and real books. > > If you can gain specific information from multiple sources, how is it > relevant which source you used? For example: Then again in a objective science field like yours (computers) I do expect you to not value books since they become obsolete every year. However if you ever branched off into a another field of study I think you'd learn the value of books. > > 1. You go to your internist with various symptoms, he does a > differential diagnosis and prescribes medication. How does it matter > whether he came to that conclusion from a book or from an electronic > source? It does not matter I guess. > 2. You have an operation. How does it matter whether the surgeon first > read about that site in print or electronically? Well I hope it was in print. I do not want a surgen using the web for something as complex as a operation! John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 > > If you can gain specific information from multiple sources, how is it > > relevant which source you used? For example: > > Then again in a objective science field like yours (computers) I do > expect you to not value books since they become obsolete every year. We're not talking about how I value books, we're talking about medical school. I love books and am an avid reader, but that's not relevant to your initial post. SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius > We're not talking about how I value books, we're talking about medical > school. I love books and am an avid reader, but that's not relevant to > your initial post. Mike you take usenet too seriously. Okay Okay I was wrong again. No need to rub it in. John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 > Mike you take usenet too seriously. You'll have to explain that one. SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius : > We're not talking about how I value books, we're talking about medical : > school. I love books and am an avid reader, but that's not relevant to : > your initial post. : : Mike you take usenet too seriously. [snort] Seriously!? Mike's not the one threatening to kill people who disagree with him. >> Please cite your source supporting the opinion of "most." > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Well I hope it was in print. I do not want a surgen using the web for > something as complex as a operation! Your assumption that surgery isn't fast-aced, with textbooks becoming out of date well within a typical publishing cycle is false. New tools, new studies, new methods come along all the time. 70% of what a surgery resident learned about the technical aspects of surgery 20 years ago is now irrelevant to surgery as it's practiced today. Internet, interactive CD-ROMs, teleconferencing, simulation software - welcome to the 21st century. HMc > Your assumption that surgery isn't fast-aced, with textbooks becoming out of > date well within a typical publishing cycle is false. New tools, new [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > HMc Okay I admit I was wrong. CD-ROMs yes is another matter. But you collecting information off some joe blow website would not cut it for me, and would most likely end in a lawsuit. John SignatureCERM-Church Education Resource Ministries http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/ John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. AIM-Crucifyself03 >> Your assumption that surgery isn't fast-aced, with textbooks becoming out >> of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > joe blow website would not cut it for me, and would most likely end in a > lawsuit. I'll have to bow to your greater experience with joe blow web sites. HMc : >> Your assumption that surgery isn't fast-aced, with textbooks becoming out : >> of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : : I'll have to bow to your greater experience with joe blow web sites. Damn! Why couldn't I think of that? : HMc : > Your assumption that surgery isn't fast-aced, with textbooks becoming out of : > date well within a typical publishing cycle is false. New tools, new [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : joe blow website would not cut it for me, and would most likely end in a : lawsuit. You're such an idiot. You have no idea how specialized some parts of the internet are. Most of them won't appear in any Google search you'd do, because you don't know how to search for them. : John > Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional > books? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John Define "real." By "real" book do you mean one which has pages made of velum (sheep and goat skin)? Usually copied and perhaps even illuminated by hand? By "real" library, do you mean one like the Library of Alexandria, which was a repository of of papyrus and linen scrolls? Or by "real" do you mean the sort of library and books you personally happened to grow up with (index card catalogs and all), but not the kind of books and libraries that existed before, or the kinds that came after? SBH > Did you use the Internet and or CD-ROM as a replacement for traditional > books? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John -------------------------- Go on, they said the same thing about clay tablets and the pre-literate oral traditions. Steve |
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