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Hi Everybody! My friends and I are having a debate. The statistics vary but it seems that America is home to roughly 15% of the worlds population but we consume about 90% of the worlds pharmaceuticals and....we rank around number 15 among the industrialized nations in terms of over all health. Whats the reasoning behind that? >Hi Everybody! >My friends and I are having a debate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Whats the reasoning behind that? higher overall testosterone levels > Hi Everybody! > My friends and I are having a debate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Whats the reasoning behind that? It's simple--people eat the wrong types of food. If you drive down a major street in any city, you will see the fast food restaurants. Those restaurant chains such as MacDonalds, Burger King and Pizza Hut--make millions of dollars each year. I doubt if you see very many of those same restaurants in other countries. If every person in America ate the right types of food and exercised every day--America would rank number 1 in terms of over all health. Jason  SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. > It's simple--people eat the wrong types of food. > If you drive down a major street in any city, you will [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > number 1 in terms of over all health. > Jason Thats true and thanks for the response. We made that point on a number of occasions. It seems though that for the most part doctors arent willing to go the extra mile to work with their patients on those issues plus it seems so much easier to prescribe drugs or pin their stomachs closed. Ive also read that doctors kill hundreds of thousands of people every year because of prescribing the wrong drugs. My friend says his neighbor always shows up in the operating room hungover or stoned but personally I dont believe that many doctors do that. I think doctors should work harder at teaching their patients to be healthy rather than giving them drugs all the time. Thanks > > It's simple--people eat the wrong types of food. > > If you drive down a major street in any city, you will [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks Robby, So true. The side effects of many drugs such as statins and blood pressure drugs are killing lots of people and causing others to be disabled. When I had a case of high cholesterol and high BP, my doctor never even discussed a change in my diet or an exercise program--instead, she wrote me a prescription for statins and a blood pressure medication. I could have solved both problems by a better diet (including vit., minerals, herbs) and an exercise program. It's my guess that thousands of doctors do the same thing as my former doctor. Robby--you are an intelligent person. Jason SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. > > It's simple--people eat the wrong types of food. > > If you drive down a major street in any city, you will [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks The problem is as you stated Rob. People think that doctors are responsible for THEIR health. It's not up the doctor to teach people about THEIR health. Nobody has to teach somebody to eat right and exercise. Only an affluent society gives up it's right to eat right and exercise and gives it up to the doctor to treat. It's the mind set and not the doctors or healthcare so get it out of your head that it's up to the doctors to teach people. If a 500 lb person comes to your office either two things will happen: nothing and the person dies or ; you staple or cut out stomach to save their lives. Get real as poverty brings disease and affluence brings in disease. >> It's simple--people eat the wrong types of food. >> If you drive down a major street in any city, you will [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >issues plus it seems so much easier to prescribe drugs or pin their >stomachs closed. What, do you think that people are robots, and if their doctors tell them to eat right and exercise, they'll just go do it? What color is the sky on your planet? People are lazy and they take the easy way out in almost all cases. We also haven't set up society to encourage exercise in the US, especially in the suburbs. If you give people the opportunity to walk or bike or whatever, and make it convenient, you will see an improvement. But not everyone will take advantage of it. People are great rationalizers. Everyone knows that smoking cigarettes is bad for you, but does that make everyone quit? >Ive also read that doctors kill hundreds of thousands of people every >year because of prescribing the wrong drugs. I've read that space aliens landed on the White House lawn, and that's just as accurate as your claim. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >What, do you think that people are robots, and if their doctors tell >them to eat right and exercise, they'll just go do it? What color is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >opportunity to walk or bike or whatever, and make it convenient, you >will see an improvement. But not everyone will take advantage of it. Move inner city poor out to farms, so suburbanites can move in closer together, so they don't have to drive so much. Also, get population under control by stopping the production of flu vaccines. ========================= "Endeavor to persevere" ========================= > Hi Everybody! > My friends and I are having a debate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Whats the reasoning behind that? We consume a disproportionate share of everything else--why wouldn't we overconsume pharmaceuticals? Stev SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > Hi Everybody! > My friends and I are having a debate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Whats the reasoning behind that? http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html The US is home to only around 4.5% of the world's population. These numbers were from 22:24 EST+5 on 10/5/05. I can't speak to the consumption data. --Patti "O'Hush" <rumraising@hotmail.com> wrote in part: >> Hi Everybody! >> My friends and I are having a debate. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The US is home to only around 4.5% of the world's population. These numbers >were from 22:24 EST+5 on 10/5/05. I can't speak to the consumption data. No one can, in all probability. Are all those things used in Traditional Chinese Medicine, in Ayurvedic medicine, in homeopathy, or in primitive cultures, etc. included in the pharmaceuticals, or only the stuff made largely in the US? Seems like a badly constructed debate, perhaps? -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > "O'Hush" <rumraising@hotmail.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cultures, etc. included in the pharmaceuticals, or only the stuff made > largely in the US? I guess you're asking Robby? It's a good question. Check this out: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22of+all+statistics+are+made+up%22 So even *that* statistical figure can't be agreed on. ;) > Seems like a badly constructed debate, perhaps? There's no doubt we consume a disproportionate amount of the world's resources here in the US, but yeah, the debate was probably not initiated by rigorous fact-checkers. --Patti "O'Hush" <rumraising@hotmail.com> wrote in part: >I guess you're asking Robby? Actually, it was rhetorical. > It's a good question. Check this out: > >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22of+all+statistics+are+made+up%22 > >So even *that* statistical figure can't be agreed on. ;) Yep. People can't even agree that there are two kinds of people in this world, those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who don't. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > "O'Hush" <rumraising@hotmail.com> wrote in part: > > >I guess you're asking Robby? > > Actually, it was rhetorical. > > It's a good question. Check this out: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yep. People can't even agree that there are two kinds of people in this > world, those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who don't. "There are only two kinds of people who are really fascinating: people who know absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing." --Oscar Wilde "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." --Indira Gandhi "There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on." --Robert Byrne >Hi Everybody! >My friends and I are having a debate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Whats the reasoning behind that? Well, it's a basic fact of elementary logic that if you start from a false premise, you can deduce anything. You're just providing an illustration of the fact. You got the US population wrong, you got the pharmaceutical figures wrong. You're right about the US population not being all that healthy (compared to other countries), but the explanations are nothing sinister. It mostly boils down to (a) bad nutrition, especially as it leads to obesity, (b) lack of exercise, and (c) unequal income distribution -- unsurprisingly, poor people get poor health care compared to rich people (on average). -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth |
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