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dcholiman@ev1.net - 07 Oct 2005 09:21 GMT

TO ANYONE WHO KNOWS THIS ROUTINE:
I have a "stone" that seems to be in
the upper left ureter. I can feel it trying
to pass when standing (daytime) and when
prone (nightime). It's more of a throbbing
pain, so I think the object moves about
enough to allow urine to pass around it.
Urine nearly colorless and no signs of
infection.

I have tried cranberry combo juices, rum
mixed with juice, the usual prescribed HCTZ,
and split valium tabs (2.5mg), and of course
water. I cannot make VA sick call until Tuesday.
Any ideas about how to get this thing moving ?
I have not tried walking briskly yet.

David H
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REP - 07 Oct 2005 10:30 GMT

> TO ANYONE WHO KNOWS THIS ROUTINE:
> I have a "stone" that seems to be in
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> Urine nearly colorless and no signs of
> infection.

If the urine is colorless I would doubt very much there is a stone
'stuck' in the ureter, as this usually causes dark, bloody urine. Not
always, of course, if the stone is small and be sure to check with a
real doctor for real medical advice.

> I have tried cranberry combo juices, rum
> mixed with juice, the usual prescribed HCTZ,
> and split valium tabs (2.5mg), and of course
> water. I cannot make VA sick call until Tuesday.
> Any ideas about how to get this thing moving ?
> I have not tried walking briskly yet.

Beer is usually recommended, though I can say from personal experience
(15+ years of passing stones every 30-45 days) that pain, even severe
pain can linger for a few days once the stone has passed.

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dcholiman@ev1.net - 09 Oct 2005 03:56 GMT

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REP,

I have also noticed that beer is effective. But I don't like
the taste of alcohol. After three
days of pain of 1 to 3 range 1-10, the object passed
as a result of 200mg of Ibuprofen. Since the pain was minor but bad
enough to keep me awake at night, I
figured I did not need to wait to ask the VA for codeine.
I can tolerate 200mg of Ibuprofen which works fine for
minor pain. I took the caplet with 12 oz of water, I went to sleep and
one hour later the stone had passed. So the tension created by pain is
what held
the stone in that one spot about 2-3 inches below the
kidney! And the Merck (1997) says nada about the
efficacy of painkillers in moving stones. It says only:
drink cranberry and other juices; walk briskly, and
drink 1.3 liters of water per diem. It does say that a blocked urethra
results in a urine flow that dribbles instead of streams.

Thanks for your advice,
David H
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