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Here's a question, Last year I read that the country would be paralyzed by a shortage of flu vaccine. That it would be akin to the 1918 flu epidemic. So my family lives on a street with a great many senior citizens. Every year everybody on the street gets a shot. A full half of them end up deathly ill from the shot...Of the ones who didnt get the shot...well NONE of them got sick...are they getting the flu from the shot? six of them ended up in the ER Is this a crap shoot? > Here's a question, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is this a crap shoot? No... what you presented was a groundless anecdote. Perhaps you could provide something to back up your observations, something like data from your county's public health department where they monitor communicable diseases, like this: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm >Here's a question, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >everybody on the street gets a shot. A full half of them end up deathly >ill from the shot. You don't get "deathly ill from the shot." The shot doesn't contain live vaccine and can't give you the disease. All it's ever given me is a mildly sore arm. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth > You don't get "deathly ill from the shot." The shot doesn't contain > live vaccine and can't give you the disease. All it's ever given me > is a mildly sore arm. Thats incorrect. The same thing happened in my neighborhood three years ago. Several of the seniors that got the shot down at the free clinic ended up being hospitalized with fever, malaise and dehydration. So what made these people so sick? >> You don't get "deathly ill from the shot." The shot doesn't contain >> live vaccine and can't give you the disease. All it's ever given me [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ended up being hospitalized with fever, malaise and dehydration. So > what made these people so sick? Why don't you track down your county's public health departement's report on the incident? If it occured just as you stated there would have been an investigation, and that investigation should be publicly available. All you should have to do is call up your public health department and ask how you can get a copy of their report. It would certainly be more specific than the random anecdote that gets bandied about. It may be something like this: http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pulmonary/Pneumonia/tb/1889 Why not give people who refuse the shot for one reason or another the drug Amantadine, or any of the others which stop this flu from replicating? Why are those drugs so hard to get f rom doctors? Jackie >Why not give people who refuse the shot for one reason or another the drug >Amantadine, or any of the others which stop this flu from replicating? Why >are those drugs so hard to get f rom doctors? I think because we're trying to keep indiscriminate use of them from breeding resistant viral strains. Same problem you get with overuse of antibiotics. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >> You don't get "deathly ill from the shot." The shot doesn't contain >> live vaccine and can't give you the disease. All it's ever given me [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >ended up being hospitalized with fever, malaise and dehydration. So >what made these people so sick? Any of them allergic to eggs? The vaccine is cultured in eggs. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >>> You don't get "deathly ill from the shot." The shot doesn't contain >>> live vaccine and can't give you the disease. All it's ever given me [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Any of them allergic to eggs? The vaccine is cultured in eggs. Maybe they all caught it (before they got the shot) from someone down at the free clinic who had the flu. I have never gotten a shot from one of the free clinics, my doctor's office always calls me and sets up an appointment to get the vaccine. Ora >>>> You don't get "deathly ill from the shot." The shot doesn't contain >>>> live vaccine and can't give you the disease. All it's ever given me [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >clinics, my doctor's office always calls me and sets up an appointment to get >the vaccine. This is a good point, although we don't know whether the neighbors had flu or some other malady -- the dehydration suggests some sort of nasty GI bug. Flu vaccine doesn't confer immediate immunity; if you do get exposed to the flu while getting your shot, you're apt to get sick within a few days, well before the shot can take effect. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth >Here's a question, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Is this a crap shoot? I don't think so. I've only gotten sick from my flu shot one year and I've been getting the shot for about 15 years. But elderly people have much more fragile metabolisms so any new drug or circumstance is what doctors call "an insult to the body" and they can react in extreme ways. They're not getting the flu from the shot but they are possibly reacting to it. It doesn't mean they shouldn't continue to get it, though, because they're the highest-risk group for death from flu. What I dont understand is how these people....seemingly in perfect health were vaccinated and ended up in the ER. So your telling me that sickening a healthy person with a vaccine (insulting them...whatever) is healthier thanthem getting the flu? > What I dont understand is how these people....seemingly in perfect > health were vaccinated and ended up in the ER. So your telling me that > sickening a healthy person with a vaccine (insulting them...whatever) > is healthier thanthem getting the flu? Old people end up in ERs all the time. How do you it wasn't a coincidence. "Seemingly in perfect health"? You don't know if they were, do you? And, for old people, and others depending on the kind of flu, almost anything is better. moo > Old people end up in ERs all the time. How do you it wasn't a coincidence. > "Seemingly in perfect health"? You don't know if they were, do you? And, > for old people, and others depending on the kind of flu, almost anything is > better. > > moo A concidence??? what are you some kind of idiot? What a retarded thing to say. Lots of people get sick from the flu shot...I know at LEAST a dozen. Only problem and ONLY problem with his health my neighbor had was some slope head shot off his left testicle in the Me Kong Delta...til he got THAT shot. Sick as a dog for three days. Ya Maroon "Hattrick" <Pherups@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> Old people end up in ERs all the time. How do you it wasn't a >> coincidence. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> is >> better. > A concidence??? what are you some kind of idiot? What a retarded thing > to say. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > slope head shot off his left testicle in the Me Kong Delta...til he got > THAT shot. Sick as a dog for three days. Ya Maroon Got some research to back this. It should exist. Very few have any reaction. And the ones that do may have been especially vulnerable to the strain innoculated against. moo > Got some research to back this. It should exist. Very few have any > reaction. And the ones that do may have been especially vulnerable to the > strain innoculated against. > > moo Hey you ...my research is my own eyeballs. My wife and I take food to several these families on a regular basis. I know what the F is going on with them cuz they're like kin. I dont need some infernal researcher to tell me whether or not my own g*d*&mn neighbors were hospitalized after their vaacine shots...hotshot. and who the hell says hospitals accurately report bad reactions anyhow... Like the original poster said...The whole earth was supposed to burst into flames beacause of thelast vaccine shortage...was there even an increase in death????/...o no because we got LUCKY this time... A big part of this vaccine thing is a scam...no better than 3 card Monty in central park by a bunch of snot nose mushroom eating pukes. The weakened elderly and a select group of the infirmed ...ok "Hattrick" <Pherups@yahoo.com> wrote in >> Got some research to back this. It should exist. Very few have any >> reaction. And the ones that do may have been especially vulnerable to >> the >> strain innoculated against. > Hey you ...my research is my own eyeballs. My wife and I take food to > several these families on a regular basis. I know what the F is going > on with them cuz they're like kin. I dont need some infernal researcher > to tell me whether or not my own g*d*&mn neighbors were hospitalized > after their vaacine shots...hotshot. OK. Go with that. You have convinced yourself and aren't interested in the opinions of your betters. Why ask for them here then? > and who the hell says hospitals accurately report bad reactions > anyhow... > > Like the original poster said...The whole earth was supposed to burst > into flames beacause of thelast vaccine shortage...was there even an > increase in death????/...o no because we got LUCKY this time... Well, you got that correct. > A big part of this vaccine thing is a scam...no better than 3 card > Monty in central park by a bunch of snot nose mushroom eating pukes. > The weakened elderly and a select group of the infirmed ...ok Tell your family and loved ones not to get vaccinated. Maybe they'll be lucky. Simple, eh? moo > What I dont understand is how these people....seemingly in perfect > health were vaccinated and ended up in the ER. So your telling me that > sickening a healthy person with a vaccine (insulting them...whatever) > is healthier thanthem getting the flu? Your anecdote sounds like something that would have been investigated. So what does your county's health department say what happened? You have called them to ask, haven't you? An outbreak has been investigated in Toronto: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051007/legionnaires_latest 051007/20051007?hub=Health >Here's a question, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Is this a crap shoot? What will the world be like with a human population of 9 or 10 billion? ========================= "Endeavor to persevere" ========================= |
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