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fresh~horses - 02 Oct 2005 18:00 GMT October 2005 | Whole Health A Tricky Distinction: Death and Dying by Alicia Priest
For a society that acts as if life is endless and its members immortal, it's remarkable how much we're hearing about dying these days. Not death, but dying. It's a tricky distinction.
Most often what we see in popular culture is sudden, violent and brutal death: gunshots, explosions, car crashes. The other way we like to think about death-especially our death-is that fantasy where we either go to sleep and never wake up or drop dead from a massive heart attack. If only it were so simple. Anyone who works with the institutionalized elderly or who cares for an aging, ailing parent knows those two ways of exiting this world are rare.
What most people experience is a slow, steady deterioration brought on by illness or aging. Both lead to a loss of mental and/or physical abilities, increased dependency, and an often bleak, degrading, and painful final stage of life.
It's our culture's flagrant disconnect with this reality that makes films such as Quebec's The Barbarian Invasions, America's Million Dollar Baby, and Spain's The Sea Inside so unusual. These films focus on physically incapacitated individuals who reach a rational decision to end their lives but need help doing so.
In real life, end-of-life issues have been much in the public mind with the controversy surrounding Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman at the centre of a bitter legal battle between her husband, who wanted to remove her feeding tube, and her parents, who did not. While the media frenzy that ensued triggered a torrent of right-to-die discussions, hers was not a right-to-die case. Schiavo was incapable of choosing her fate. Her circumstances revolved around complex ethical, legal, and family rights.
Nonetheless, now may be a good time to revive the complex, messy, but essential subject of legalized euthanasia. It's a topic that won't go away, despite our unwillingness to deal with it. Given the fanatical American political climate, the rapid aging of a huge number of baby boomers, and the non-stop barrage of medical machinery designed to sustain life at all costs, we'll be hearing a lot more about euthanasia in the near future.
On a personal front, a close friend recently grappled with these questions when her ailing mother swallowed a cache of sleeping pills she'd been hoarding for who knows how long. A vibrant, vivacious lover of life, she'd had a stroke and wanted out of her prison-like existence. It made me wonder how many other families suffer similar or worse situations.
Most Canadians know of Sue Rodriguez, the Victoria woman with ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) who, 15 years ago, fought in the Supreme Court to have a legal right to assisted suicide. She lost. Fewer people know of Russell Ogden, the former SFU criminology graduate student who, in the early 1990s, studied assisted suicide in the Vancouver AIDS community. When Ogden published his thesis, he was abandoned by the university and hounded by legal authorities who insisted he reveal his sources. He has never done so. Ogden found that unregulated euthanasia was happening without medical supervision of any kind. Under these conditions, he concludes in a recent interview in Scientific American magazine, "Euthanasia is happening in horrific circumstances, similar to back-alley abortions." About half of the cases he studied initially failed and resulted in greater suffering.
>From a health-care perspective, it is striking that so few instances of euthanasia-fact or fiction-involve those trained in the healing arts. Although physician-assisted suicide is legal in a number of places-Holland, Switzerland, and in Oregon where it's called the Death with Dignity Act-it is viewed as murder elsewhere. That situation drives assisted suicide underground, making even communicating about it a societal no-no.
Victoria writer Anne Mullens says the lack of open discussion about how best to die benefits no one. Mullens is the author of a thoughtful and informative account of the right-to-die debate called A Timely Death: Considering our Last Rights. The book won the 1997 Edna-Staebler award for Creative Non-Fiction.
"One of the things that was said to me during the research of my book-which I really have hung on to and is one of my major beliefs-is that, when there's no record keeping, no law, no guidelines, and everything's done in secrecy, things can be much more problematic," Mullens says. "That's where the abuses can happen. That's where the real slippery slope is."
Doctors in Holland told Mullens the greatest value of euthanasia is not the act itself but the cultural permission to talk openly about life and death. When someone feels comfortable telling their doctor about their wish to die, explains Mullens, the doctor can ask, 'Why now? Are you in pain? Maybe we can do something about that'."
Nobody could pretend the conversation to follow would be easy. But, ironically, talk about dying can sometimes result in extending life a little longer.
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Oct 2005 19:10 GMT Per October 2005 | Whole Health A Tricky Distinction: Death and Dying by Alicia Priest
>Nonetheless, now may be a good time to revive the complex, messy, but >essential subject of legalized euthanasia. One of the first things that comes to my own mind when I think of legalized euthanasia is the current intersection of palliative care and for-profit health insurance.
If I were diagnosed with some very painful form of cancer that would be lethal to me in, say, seven years on the average; my health care provider's accounting department would be faced with some choices.
One of those choices would be to provide palliative care for seven years - at, I'd guess, substantial cost to the provider.
Another choice would be to have me end my life as soon after the diagnosis as possible - at a greatly reduced cost to the provider.
I would expect any rational for-profit entity to zero in on the second choice immediately.
The question then emerges as how to encourage me, the suffering patient, to end my life ASAP.
Withholding painkillers - either overtly or by getting the government to tighten the screws on controlled substances - seems patently obvious. Not a cheery prospect for those who would like to live as much as possible of the only life they have.
My recollection is that physician-assisted suicide has been legal for some years now in one of the European countries.
Netherlands?
Maybe somebody who knows can comment on the availability of palliative care in that country today vs before legalization of physician-assisted suicide.
 Signature PeteCresswell
fresh~horses - 02 Oct 2005 19:25 GMT > Per > October 2005 | Whole Health [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > My recollection is that physician-assisted suicide has been legal for some years > now in one of the European countries. Pete
A physician once told me when he worked in palliative care in Quebec a Swedish film crew came over to film what went on in his unit. They did so because there was debate in the Swedish parliament over medical euthanasia. The footage they recorded was used in Sweden to make an argument against euthanasia on the grounds that it was an over-simplistic way of dealing with a complex and very human subject.
Zee
> Netherlands? > > Maybe somebody who knows can comment on the availability of palliative care in > that country today vs before legalization of physician-assisted suicide. Robert - 02 Oct 2005 19:49 GMT > Per > October 2005 | Whole Health [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > euthanasia is the current intersection of palliative care and for-profit health > insurance. The first thing that I think of is government healthcare that has eliminated all profit and non-profit healthcare alternatives. It is already accepted that if you die waiting for heart surgery then it is OK and accepted as a way of life when in reality it is a government imposed sentence.
> If I were diagnosed with some very painful form of cancer that would be lethal > to me in, say, seven years on the average; my health care provider's accounting > department would be faced with some choices. In Canada if you had breast cancer the government would make choices for you on any drug available or not available for you. The ultimate deciding factor is the cost to the nation and the nation as a whole and not on the individual.
> One of those choices would be to provide palliative care for seven years - at, > I'd guess, substantial cost to the provider. > > Another choice would be to have me end my life as soon after the diagnosis as > possible - at a greatly reduced cost to the provider. Or having the Canadian government have you wait for surgery or MRI or any other needed health service that is being rationed based solely on money. The Canadian Supreme Court has found exactly that and it is and has been happening in Canada.
> I would expect any rational for-profit entity to zero in on the second choice > immediately. For profit outfits run like governments. You have no choice or
> The question then emerges as how to encourage me, the suffering patient, to end > my life ASAP. Through the denial of services with any alternatives being outlawyed. Eliminate choice and people will die.
> Withholding painkillers - either overtly or by getting the government to tighten > the screws on controlled substances - seems patently obvious. Not a cheery > prospect for those who would like to live as much as possible of the only life > they have. When government gets involved then it's all over. The first thing government and journalist propagandist for the government start talking of is denial of drugs for the sake of cost and about money.
> My recollection is that physician-assisted suicide has been legal for some years > now in one of the European countries. > > Netherlands? They have a nationalized health care system "socialized medicine".
> Maybe somebody who knows can comment on the availability of palliative care in > that country today vs before legalization of physician-assisted suicide. "Historical and Cultural Factors in the Development of the National Health Services of England, Holland and Hungary. An analysis of the historical and cultural background surrounding the development of 'socialized medicine' in these countries from the 'poor laws' of the Renaissance through the various social and political reform movements of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries."
http://www.union.edu/Academics/InternationalPrograms/countries/health_Professions.php
It is clear from the Canadian authors out there that elimination of drugs based on cost is the an important push toward ending lives for the sake of saving money. Doctors who want the medications are ridiculed by journalists who know nothing about medicine. It is basically a socialistic movement intent on preserving the state as mother and father with the elimination of religion and individual rights.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 03 Oct 2005 04:00 GMT > One of those choices would be to provide palliative care for seven years - at, > I'd guess, substantial cost to the provider. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > PeteCresswell COMMENT:
Euthanasia isn't particularly an issue in people who have less than 6 months expected life, and are in palliative care or "hospice" programs. Those programs aren't expensive, because people are rarely sent to the hospital, and (almost) never to the ICU. (If they go to the hospital for treatment too much in a hospice program, they'll be informedgently that they're not getting the idea, and will be de-certified).
In hospice, instead of being hospitalized with complications, people get taken care of at home or in a skilled nursing facility, and whenever they reach the point of needing complex care and they complain of ANYTHING, they get enough anxiolytics and/or narcotics to put them in la-la land. It's rare for very ill patient to last more than a couple of weeks in such programs, as you might guess. You can call it euthanasia if you like. If you can get a stroke victim certified as needing hospice care, it works pretty much the same. They don't survive their first major complication or infection. Indeed, they don't survive fecal impaction, since the treatment for abdominal pain and vomiting in hospice is antiemetics, and a lot MORE morphine and Ativan.
If you have incurable cancer, even if it's a slow one which is expected to take more than six months, you can usually get hospice-certified, anyway. You just have to quit your chemo and give up on the idea of going to the ICU every time you get an infection. If you're willing to do that, you can have all good drugs you want, in unlimited quantity. The only additional requirement is you don't live alone. If you last more than 6 months, they'll happily re-certify you for another 6, and 6 more after that, for years (there is no technical limit to how long you can stay in hospice-- it's sort of like college). The system does not care how long, because (as noted) this really is cheap by comparison with standard full-bore medical care.
So, for people with certifiably "fatal" illnesses in the US, the issue of euthanasia is more or less a non-issue. It's already been decided. You just get certified as home-hospice, and then you spend a week or two (or even a month or two) taking enough morphine that you don't care if you're malnurished or even well-hydrated. After a few weeks in bed on massive drugs, that will be the end of you, and you won't suffer, guaranteed.
The big legal issues in euthanasia in the US are for people who want to kill themselves and *can't* get into a hospice program, because they DON'T have untreatable cancer, or aren't elderly and very frail, and nobody reasonably expects their medical conditions to kill them within 6 months.
So, make sure you don't confuse the groups (or the arguments), with examples of cancer or AIDS patients in pain. That's not where the euthanasia issues are at, today. At least in the US. As for other countries, of course I cannot generalize.
SBH
fresh~horses - 03 Oct 2005 05:09 GMT > > One of those choices would be to provide palliative care for seven years - at, > > I'd guess, substantial cost to the provider. [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > SBH I assume you mean Americans whose health insurance will pay for this. No?
I don't have any direct experience but I have the impression palliative care here is very expensive (for the healthcare system) and it's hard to get someone in. There is something else called the hospice system where people aren't expected to die within three (or is it six?) months. I think there one would see those with AIDS.
But I imagine it differs for each province and probably in reality differs greatly from my limited understanding.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 03 Oct 2005 05:46 GMT > I assume you mean Americans whose health insurance will pay for this. > No? No. There are no totally uninsured Americans. Everybody, if unable to pay and without resources, gets medicade. True, medicaid doesn't pay for everything you can think of, but then neither does Health Canada. Medicaid (and medicare) do pay for hospice. If you have a bad disease, getting in as simple as the referring doc referring you (which he or she has no reason not to do), and the doc in charge of the hospice program and its funding managers accepting you (which again they have no reason not to do).
If you lived in a mansion and simply refused to pay your medical bills in the US, would they let you die in the street? No, they'd take you to the hospital. Which would eventually certify you indigent, put you into medicaid, and then put a lien on your property. So the same thing would happen, just with more legal complications. After you died, the State would collect its piece for your care, before your relatives got theirs. So unfair!
SBH
fresh~horses - 04 Oct 2005 08:23 GMT > > I assume you mean Americans whose health insurance will pay for this. > > No? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > program and its funding managers accepting you (which again they have > no reason not to do). Space. Is this a physical allocation?
> If you lived in a mansion and simply refused to pay your medical bills > in the US, would they let you die in the street? No, they'd take you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SBH Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 04 Oct 2005 23:44 GMT > > > I assume you mean Americans whose health insurance will pay for this. > > > No? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Space. Is this a physical allocation? COMMENT: Nope, in the US hospice is a program, not a place. It can be run from your home, IF you live with a caregiver who can give you your meds, and can make a phone call to the hospice nurse when you die, or are about to. And if it's home hospice, you're expected to die at home. In some places the nurse can even pronounce you dead. The coroner or medical examiner already has your number as a terminal case, so that's just a phone call. The next call is to the funeral home removal service. All neat and efficient and I can't argue with it. I've seen much worse deaths in hospitals and ICUs.
IF you're already in an institution, they all have hospice programs. So they just switch your label. No CPR. Further complaints, see Ativan and morphine. That's oversimplied, but has enough general truth to be worth the time it takes me to type it.
SBH
William Wagner - 05 Oct 2005 00:11 GMT > > > > I assume you mean Americans whose health insurance will pay for this. > > > > No? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > SBH Any suggestions as to best practice ? My mom passed and the most immediate effort was directed towards flushing her pain pills. This with hospice. Misplaced concerns too be nice. I like to go slow with the passing of love ones. I'm OLD fashion I guess. But notifying officials rips away any control of my love ones here in S Jersey.
Confused.
Sort of acknowledgement that my expertise is flawed and we will do the best we can.
Bill
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 05 Oct 2005 00:29 GMT > > > Space. Is this a physical allocation? > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the passing of love ones. I'm OLD fashion I guess. But notifying > officials rips away any control of my love ones here in S Jersey. COMMENT: If you're with your family member when they die, you don't have to call the hospice right away. If hospice IS there, they might act as drug-nazis, but that varies from state to state. Some clean up, some don't.
Likewise with removal. So long as you're not planning on some outrageous time to keep a decedent, you can delay on calling the funeral home, also. Or tell hospice to wait. In California, once you get the sign-off from the coroner or medical examiner (it varies county to county) you can do the body transport to the funeral home yourself, if you like. All the law requires is that it be respectful. But back of the van in a sheet is perfectly fine. Just keep that paperwork with you on the highway :). Those laws got passed here in the wake of the funeral industry expose in The American Way of Death, so the legislature put some of this back to do-it-yourself, as in the old days. Many states, at least here in the West, are the same. About Jersey, I don't know. You should find out.
> Confused. > > Sort of acknowledgement that my expertise is flawed and we will do the > best we can. > > Bill Carey Gregory - 05 Oct 2005 06:56 GMT > Any suggestions as to best practice ? My mom passed and the most >immediate effort was directed towards flushing her pain pills. This [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Confused. Understandably confused. Welcome to yet another charming aspect of the War on Drugs and the justifiable paranoia it creates among medical providers.
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