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Medical Forum / General / General / October 2005can chicken eggs carry the bird flu virus
Saw a PBS program on the bird flue virus and whether it becomes pandemic. I have a question as to whether chickens found to have bird flu whether they can transmit the virus into the eggs we eat. If we ever have a rising epidemic, not pandemic, I would like to know if eggs are safe before going on a all peanut or nut diet and say the heck with all meat. I hope it never comes to that where I subsist off the food in my orchards. But who knows, I never would have guessed the Berlin Wall would come down by 1990s. Everyone living off of peanuts and tofu is not so bad. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies > Saw a PBS program on the bird flue virus and whether it becomes > pandemic. I have a question as to whether chickens found to have bird [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would come down by 1990s. Everyone living off of peanuts and tofu is > not so bad. If the chickens become infected, all of the chickens in affected farms (and probably nearby farms) will be killed. There won't be any more eggs to worry about. The problem is that the flu spreads from the chickens to the farmers, and then from farmers to other people. As far as I know, this only occurs in Asia. So your egg supply is not a factor. It is a good question, though. Jeff > Archimedes Plutonium > www.iw.net/~a_plutonium > whole entire Universe is just one big atom > where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies If you thought it was a good question, why not answer it. Does the virus cross over into the eggs of an infected chicken? So if a day comes where bird flu is in the USA, do I need to think about the eggs I bought. A.P. >Saw a PBS program on the bird flue virus and whether it becomes >pandemic. I have a question as to whether chickens found to have bird >flu whether they can transmit the virus into the eggs we eat. Yes. However, such chickens are sick, and do not make many eggs. So it is not too likely that eggs from a commercial egg producer will be infected -- at least for very long. (At first signs of disease, the flock would be destroyed.) Further, the virus is easily killed by heat, so ordinary cooking -- which most people do anyway -- will kill the virus. Suggest you look at the following page, which is from WHO: http://www.who.int/foodsafety/micro/avian/en/ I was looking for some stuff from CDC, and they referred to this page. There are some nuances, so good to read this yourself, rather than rely simply on my summary. Bottom line... viral transmission via eggs is possible, but is probably not going to be a big problem. Caution... this is based on understanding of the present bird virus. If it changes -- as flu viruses tend to do (and that is the big worry about this one) -- the situation could become different. bob > Further, the virus is easily killed by heat, so ordinary cooking -- > which most people do anyway -- will kill the virus. Yes I remember that some in Vietnam ate duck-blood-soup, which I guess is served cold. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies > > Further, the virus is easily killed by heat, so ordinary cooking -- > > which most people do anyway -- will kill the virus. > > Yes I remember that some in Vietnam ate duck-blood-soup, which I guess > is served cold. Bob, recently it was announced that Bats seem to harbor SARS virus and I wonder whether SARS is similar to bird-flu virus. Now I wonder if the West-Nile was ever related to the SARS or bird-flu virus and whether the transmission agent for SARS and bird-flu is going to end up with mosquitoes as the final agent. The history of Malaria is one in which the pathogen never really goes outside of its host the mosquito. So I wonder if the final host of SARS, bird-flu, West Nile will all be that of the mosquito. Mostly confined to the mosquito with outbreaks in bird species and humans. As the program noted, that when a virus kills its host, it kills itself. So a virus to maximize its life wants to have easy transmission and not kill its hosts. And the easiest way to do that for the virus is to have mosquitoes as the intermediate host. So I wonder, Bob, if the pattern here is that these viruses are building up in the mosquito population so that when it is transmitted to humans, it usually does not kill the human hosts but continues to vastly spread over the globe and thus is harbored in mosquitoes, humans, most every bird species. So for the viruses, they maximize their range and they maximize ease of transmission. The fastest spreading species on Earth are mosquitoes, humans and birds. So these viruses are building up their reservoir of host species via a transmission route of birds to mosquitoes to humans and vice versa. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies > Bob, recently it was announced that Bats seem to harbor SARS virus and > I wonder whether SARS is similar to bird-flu virus. Now I wonder if the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > host species via a transmission route of birds to mosquitoes to humans > and vice versa. I would think the rhino "cold virus" for humans is the perfect model of a virus for a specific species. That it multiplies and spreads easily from one human to another yet does not kill its host nor itself in the process. The only thing missing for this virus to be perfect is to be able to spread from one animal to almost every other animal. Obviously a good reason to have animal diversity. Viruses do not want to kill their host but lethal ones pop up as they evovlve and change. But they are striving for maximum distribution. So my sense of the Bird Flu virus is that it is trying to become a virus that is as widespread in both birds and humans as is the common cold virus (rhino virus) is in humans. So to speak a "cold virus of both birds and humans". In the process of becoming that, there will be lethal spots of epidemics. As to whether it crosses into the insect species, that of mosquitoes, is what the virus is also striving for. It is striving to be distributed in the human species , in as many bird species and also the insect species of mosquitoes. So that the virus delivers symptoms of a common cold and puts the host out of work for days, but does not kill the host and is to be found in birds, humans, and mosquitoes. Up along the way that this virus gets to this stage, there will be lethal forms, but when all is said and done, what remains is a virus that is widely distributed in birds, humans and mosquitoes whose symptoms are that of the common cold virus (rhino). It is likely that the evolution of the rhino virus was very similar to this bird flu only the rhino evolved some past millions of years ago to be the nuisance it is today. The history of the SARS and West Nile suggest that this bird flu will try to connect into the insect species. Overall, these viruses want to become like a rhino virus with as many species affected as to make the largest distribution. The aim is to infect every animal that has a similar tissue such as the lung tissue. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies > > Bob, recently it was announced that Bats seem to harbor SARS virus and > > I wonder whether SARS is similar to bird-flu virus. Actually, it was recently determined that SARS is in the rare category of plectro-virus, dissimilar in certain key ways from bird-flu. It's genetic material winds around at a much steeper angle than normal viruses. >> > Further, the virus is easily killed by heat, so ordinary cooking -- >> > which most people do anyway -- will kill the virus. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the transmission agent for SARS and bird-flu is going to end up with >mosquitoes as the final agent. SARS, Influenza and WN are unrelated types of viruses. WN is of a type that can grow in mosquitoes; the others are not. bob In sci.bio.misc and sci.med, > Saw a PBS program on the bird flue virus and whether it becomes > pandemic. I hear it comes down your chimney unless you close that little thing inside. They should make up a word for that little chimney trap door. > I have a question as to whether chickens found to have bird > flu whether they can transmit the virus into the eggs we eat. If we > ever have a rising epidemic, not pandemic, ...you should be safe because I think this only infects birds and humans. > I would like to know if eggs are safe before going on a all peanut > or nut diet and say the heck with all meat. Dear Nobel Prize Committee, I respectfully nominate Archimedes Plutonium for the Nobel Prize For The Most Perfect Straight Line Ever. Should you require any supplemental documentation as to whether he's on an all-nut diet, I refer you to everything he's ever written. Thank you for your attention regarding this important nutter. And by the way... Have you heard? He's on an all-nut diet! > I hope it never comes to that where I subsist off the food in > my orchards. But who knows, I never would have guessed the Berlin Wall > would come down by 1990s. Arch, the things _you_ couldn't guess could fill half of Germany. > Everyone living off of peanuts and tofu is not so bad. I dunno, I think Hitler disproves your theory. He was a vegetarian (or at least he claimed to be, he did eat a sausage now and then) and I'm pretty sure he _was_ so bad. And since you were just nominated for a Nobel Prize, because Hitler disproved your theory, now Hitler is automatically nominated for the Uber-Nobel Prize For Disproving A Nobel Prize Nominee's Wacky Theory. -- K. And what _are_ you eating under there? |
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