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Generic Provigil? Does it exist?
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Bob Travis - 29 Sep 2005 14:47 GMT Several questions on my mind:
1. I hear Provigil is expensive. How much is a month's supply and are there any similar generics available? If so, what is the name of it (or them) and how much do they cost?
2. Can anyone recommend a doctor in the Louisville, KY area likely to prescribe some for me?
3. What do I tell the doctor to ensure he writes an appropriate prescription. I need something that will keep me awake and alert during the daytime hours because having been self employed for over 20 years I have evolved into a nocturnal creature in large part because traditional web research was usually cheaper at night and bandwidth was easier to come by, especially when dial up was my only option. While that is not as entirely true today, except for an abundance of early morning bandwidth, I found found it is still a hard habit to break.
Now times have changed and it is neither productive nor approved by my business colleagues to sleep all day and work all night. I try various schemes to make me sleepy at night and nothing seems to work and too much coffee ittitates my stomach.
I need something to restore my schedule to more normal hours and Provigil sounds like just the drug to do the trick.
Unfortunately most doctors I know won't write a prescription just because they are asked, and my MD friends who will write them will only do so for antibiotics or drugs they they could help for more physical problems -- diuretics, blood pressure medicine, statins, and such. I won't even ask MDs in this category to write any psychtropic medicines for me because I don't want them to think I'm asking just because we're friends.
However I don't want to gamble anywhere from $150 for one new doctor visits, to $1500 for ten new doctor visits, playing medical roulette until I find one that accepts my need for something like Provigil and writes a script without charging an arm and a leg.
I have no qualms about using internation doctors and web pharmacies but because they are cracking down on web orders in many states -- I believe Kentucky is one of them -- I have to have a local doctor so the entire tranaction will be legal. If you know any other NGs where I can cross-post this in hope of getting more options please let me know.
Thanks so much.
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salmonegg@sbcglobal.net - 29 Sep 2005 20:41 GMT On 9/29/05 6:47 AM, in article 2gS_e.374835$x96.124531@attbi_s72, "Bob Travis" <e_quip@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Several questions on my mind: > > 1. I hear Provigil is expensive. How much is a month's supply and are there > any similar generics available? If so, what is the name of it (or them) and > how much do they cost? <snip>
It is expensive. I found that for me it was no more effective than caffeine.
Bill
Tom Malcolm - 02 Oct 2005 07:18 GMT > > 1. I hear Provigil is expensive. How much is a month's supply and are there > It is expensive. I found that for me it was no more effective than caffeine. Yes, I was very underwhelmed by provigil, a cup of coffee did more for me.
salmonegg@sbcglobal.net - 02 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT On 10/1/05 11:18 PM, in article 1h3s0oh.xdj1wz153psxsN%tom933@hotmail.com,
>>> 1. I hear Provigil is expensive. How much is a month's supply and are there >> It is expensive. I found that for me it was no more effective than caffeine. > > Yes, I was very underwhelmed by provigil, a cup of coffee did more > for me. There seems to be a number of almost useless high priced drugs. I was lucky, I suppose that neither Vioxx or Celebrex were any good for me. For example, OTC naproxen was much cheaper, more effective, and gave less gastric distress than the high priced items.
The only down side is that I will not be able to sue Merck for zillions of dollars. :=)
Bill
Bob - 30 Sep 2005 04:06 GMT >Several questions on my mind: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >true today, except for an abundance of early morning bandwidth, I found >found it is still a hard habit to break. Buy an alarm clock. Get up early. Your body will get the message.
bob
Nicole H - 30 Sep 2005 04:18 GMT I take 200mg Provigil twice a day. No generic is available. It is expensive but my insurance covers it. drugstore.com has prices
Provigil should be used by those who have health problems not because you have poor sleep habits. A good dr is not going to write the rx just because you want it.... they will first address the sleep aspect of the problem. Why not try melatonin to help get your sleep cycles corrected.... or Chamomile, valerian, benedryl, unisom (not the benedryl type) etc.... all should help you sleep if you haven't used 'em before.
Bob Travis - 30 Sep 2005 08:15 GMT It's not just poor sleep tablets. I feel tired most of the time. Two things help: naps whenever possible, and ginseng. My thinking this is the 21st century -- lots of people can get great drugs legally. Why not me?
P.S. Ephedrine used to help and I have few truck driver friends that can bring it to be from other states. They also offered to bring mr "speed" but I have outgrown that crap. I won't take any drug nowadays unless I have a prescription or it's legal.
>I take 200mg Provigil twice a day. No generic is available. It is >expensive but my insurance covers it. drugstore.com has prices [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Chamomile, valerian, benedryl, unisom (not the benedryl type) etc.... all > should help you sleep if you haven't used 'em before. Nicole H - 01 Oct 2005 08:56 GMT i've been sick for 10 yrs..... every dr i've ever seen addressed the sleep aspect first. most likely, you'll have the same experience... obviously something is wrong... after multiple blood tests, sleep tests, etc... and trying almost every single sedating pill out there, I was given phentermine, then adderall and finally provigil.
you need to find out what's going on instead of just taking a pill for "energy" (for me, it's not an upper.. helps me to stay awake) Much better to try and solve what problem you have than just treating a symptom. What I wouldn't give for a really good night's sleep.
Bob Travis - 04 Oct 2005 04:42 GMT > i've been sick for 10 yrs..... every dr i've ever seen addressed the sleep > aspect first. most likely, you'll have the same experience... obviously [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to try and solve what problem you have than just treating a symptom. What > I wouldn't give for a really good night's sleep. Indeed. Just this Saturday we had a yard sale and I knew I had to get up early.
Well I couldn't get to sleep until 3am and an hour later I was wide awake and that was all the sleep I got until the following afternoon when I was so exhausted I had to lie down. You would think I would have slept straight through till Sunday, but for some reason I was wide awake once again in less than a half hour. So tiredness is not a 24/7 thing but it is a frequent thing and when I get excessively tired at an inopportune time not even coffee does the trick.
Someone here recommended Siberian Ginseng (not a true ginseng but botanically similar) and I think it helps some but it also makes me nausous.
Well, at least it doesn't require a prescription, but once upon a time I had a wonderful psychiatrist who let me see if dexadrine would help and it worked wonders, positive wonders, but unforunately we moved out of state, too far away to see him again, and after we moved no other doctor would prescribe dexadrine for me no matter how hard I tried to make a convincing argument it was the best thing for me --- apparentally the fact another doctor thought it was okay for me meant squat to the others. Why oh why is all the best stuff illegal except by prescription?
When you have an IQ over 125 you should be smart enough to know what is good for you and what isn't, right? Mine is above 125 but I picked such a low number just so people won't say I'm an idiot; regardless -- this has happened even when I spouted off the correct score, accused of being an idiot or a troll. Of course I am willing to admit it is not always high. It depends on how alert I am, how much I'm in the mood to be tested, and so on. But, even so, I have read a few pharmacology textbooks and it never crossed my mind that there was anything particularly hazardous about dexadrine, not unless you find yourself eventually craving benzedrine, or even methadrine.
I think a lot of doctors just want to act like I'm almighty and you're not; or you'd be the same as me if you wanted to keep your DEA license. Well, duh, who pays the DEA anyway and what good to they do? They have half the doctors in America scared to give cancer patients enough morphine to ease their pain, and if the patients are terminal anyway like how could it matter if they became addicted? For one thing they probably wouldn't become addicted because they say it's different when you really need it, but just suppose they did become addicted; if they're terminal why should anyone care --- the only issue is whether they're free from pain.
So what kind of government are we paying for if the DEA has so much power they have terrified doctors to the point where they cannot do their jobs effectively or THINK they cannot do their jobs effectively, which, for a patient, is no different at all because you're still in pain if you aren't getting enough of the right painkiller. Is this STILL a Christian thing? I mean like it's a sin to feel too good. It's unpious, unholy, Puritanical, Victorian, neanderthal, or just stupid or barbaric to see a fellow human in pain, have the power to do something about it, and do nothing out of fear of losing your license.
If Hebrew people can lobby for the US to remain a strong presence in the Middle East, why can't sick people lobby for the rights of physicians to prescribe what patients need without fearing the government will take away their license? It just doesn't make sense to me, just as it doesn't make sense to a lot of parents that the war has claimed thousands of lives, many thousands of lives it you count every nation involved either by consent or coercion.
Sure nobody wants to see anyone use any weapons of mass destruction, but if I recall correctly isn't there only one nation that has ever used them in wartime and only one nation that has more stockpiled than any other nation.
Let us pray that if the other side was able to use our own aircraft against us they don't find a way to use our own "defense" armaments against us as well. Lets reflect on the karma here and decide if there aren't better ways to resolve man hatred of other men, physicians fears of the DEA, the belief that all that is was not an accident, and now I shutta my big fat mouth cuz I speaka long enuffa. Your turn. : - )
Bob Travis - 19 Oct 2005 16:53 GMT My biggest problem is laziness. A little pick-me-upper just motivates me enough to get going, Coffee is a very poor second drug of choice.
With coffee as popular as it is, with energy drinks like Red Bull and Monster growing more popular by the day, why don't pharmacy companies work to create a new drug that works better than caffeine but one which the FDA will still allow to be sold OTC and added to soft drinks and such. It is obvious there is a demand for it.
> i've been sick for 10 yrs..... every dr i've ever seen addressed the sleep > aspect first. most likely, you'll have the same experience... obviously [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to try and solve what problem you have than just treating a symptom. What > I wouldn't give for a really good night's sleep. Andrew - 01 Oct 2005 12:05 GMT In sci.med.pharmacy Bob Travis <e_quip@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Several questions on my mind: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > tranaction will be legal. If you know any other NGs where I can cross-post > this in hope of getting more options please let me know. I find melatonin to be very effective at reseting my body clock. It gives me a shortened, unsatisying sleep, but 24 hours after I take it I'm ready to go to sleep and I remain on the the new sleep schedule without taking any more melatonin.
I too am having sleep/alertness issues and am also curious about Provigil. I just ordered 50 x 200mg generic Provigil (modafinil) some from a reliable foreign pharmacy for $65 + $6 shipping.
Andrew
Bob Travis - 31 Oct 2005 11:16 GMT Just curious, Andrew. Now that you've ordered it did it arrive and is it helping?
Bob
> In sci.med.pharmacy Bob Travis <e_quip@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Several questions on my mind: [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Andrew
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