illustrative of the above, the beginning paragraphs of an article from
the NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/business/22devices.html
September 22, 2005
Possible Conflicts for Doctors Are Seen on Medical Devices
By REED ABELSON
As an assistant professor at the Louisiana State University Health
Sciences Center in Shreveport, Dr. William Overdyke oversaw operations
to replace worn-down knees. From 2000 through the middle of 2001,
whenever a patient needed an artificial knee, he or the residents he
supervised implanted one made by Sulzer Medical, state documents show.
Dr. Overdyke has said that he used the Sulzer implant because it was
the best available. But Louisiana state officials say he had another
incentive as well: the $175,000 a year that he stood to make from
contracts with the company. The contracts called for him to consult on
product design and "promote and educate other surgeons" on the virtues
of Sulzer products.
Before signing with Sulzer, Dr. Overdyke said, he had never used the
company's artificial knee. Earlier he had a contract with another
company, Wright Medical. And during that time, he and his residents
largely used Wright's artificial knees.
Dr. Overdyke paid $10,000 in fines after investigators determined that
his consulting arrangements with Sulzer were an improper conflict of
interest under the state ethics code. Hospital officials said they had
been unaware of his relationship with the company.
Yet in a variety of ways, many doctors have unusually close, if largely
unseen, ties to device makers. And those relationships are a central
issue on an emerging battleground in the health care wars: the upward
cost spiral of implantable medical devices.
Countless patients have been helped by these new technologies -
artificial knees that allow aging weekend athletes to play on, stents
that help keep once-clogged arteries clear, defibrillators that correct
potentially fatal heart arrhythmias.
But the rising cost of the devices and the relationships between
doctors and manufacturers are causing profound concern among hospital
executives, health care economists and other experts, mirroring recent
reactions to the way pharmaceuticals are marketed. In the last two
years, Medicare payments to hospitals for implant surgery have risen
about 40 percent, from $10 billion to $14 billion, according to an
analysis of Medicare records. And federal prosecutors have begun to
investigate some device makers' deals with doctors, trying to determine
if they amount to payoffs for using a product.
Among the loudest objectors have been hospitals, which buy the devices
and most immediately feel the pain. But health care economists stress
that consumers and insurers are also hurt by the rising cost of medical
technology, including implantable devices.
"We're paying for it, but no one can see it," said Paul Ginsburg,
president of the Center for Studying Health System Change, a research
group in Washington.
fresh~horses@despammed.com - 25 Sep 2005 19:55 GMT
> illustrative of the above, the beginning paragraphs of an article from
> the NYTimes:
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> president of the Center for Studying Health System Change, a research
> group in Washington.
I'd like to know what the option to this arrangement is, if any, so
that surgeons could still get the necessary experience to become highly
skilled, and the consumer get the best device (or none if that
applies); without such pharma/surgeon/medical school arrangements. If
any...
I also think it's important to keep this from Brownlee's article in
mind:
"...Most doctors and academic researchers aren't corrupt in the sense
of intending to defraud the public or harm patients,..."
eml - 25 Sep 2005 23:21 GMT
just a thought--don't take the $$$. prior to all these "consulting
fees" physicians used medical devices and learned how to
utilize/implant them without the extra incentive of hundreds of
thousands of dollars. i assume the same system could operate again. i
am certain the majority of physicians do not take these thinly
disguised bribes. or i am hopeful the majority of physicians do not
take these thinly disguised bribes. surely, $175,000 is an extravagant
fee for learning to implant a prosthetic hip and inducing your
residents to use it--for a practicing orthopedic surgeon the time
required to learn how to use a new devise could not be more 30
minutes.....without new devices, the practice of the procedure
stagnates. it is of benefit to both the company and the physician as
well as the patient that new medical devices are developed and used.
the device that is determined to be the best for each specific patient
should be the one utilized--not the device that will make the most $$$
for the doctor from the medical device products company......even if
the physician is convinced the device he is using is the best, he/she
must be aware of the seeming impropriety of accepting large fees from a
company to use their product that he/she implants into patients.
Juhana Harju - 26 Sep 2005 06:54 GMT
: just a thought--don't take the $$$. prior to all these "consulting
: fees" physicians used medical devices and learned how to
: utilize/implant them without the extra incentive of hundreds of
: thousands of dollars. --
Here is $10. Go and by some caps.

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Robert - 26 Sep 2005 07:37 GMT
> : just a thought--don't take the $$$. prior to all these "consulting
> : fees" physicians used medical devices and learned how to
> : utilize/implant them without the extra incentive of hundreds of
> : thousands of dollars. --
>
> Here is $10. Go and by some caps.
Get the ones thoroughly tested by paid consultants.
Juhana Harju - 26 Sep 2005 12:34 GMT
::: just a thought--don't take the $$$. prior to all these "consulting
::: fees" physicians used medical devices and learned how to
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::
: Get the ones thoroughly tested by paid consultants.
Any evidence that unprescribed OTC capital letters are hazardous to health?

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eml - 27 Sep 2005 03:07 GMT
you guys ever heard of clinical trials--where data are collected on
medications/medical devices/modalities of therapy --data analyzed and
conclusions drawn with recommendations????? you really think
researchers need to be paid by the company making the
medication/devices --great objectivity.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 28 Sep 2005 01:56 GMT
> you guys ever heard of clinical trials--where data are collected on
> medications/medical devices/modalities of therapy --data analyzed and
> conclusions drawn with recommendations????? you really think
> researchers need to be paid by the company making the
> medication/devices --great objectivity.
They need to be paid by the end-users of what they invent. Most of whom
would refuse and simply steal their work product, rather like pirating
MP3 files, if it weren't for the mechanism of the patent system and
big-pharma capitalism. Ruminate on that.
End copyright and all writers become amateurs. And most artists, except
for those who get by on live-performance-making. Alas, swallowing the
result of amateur drug discovery is not nearly so pleasant as reading
amateur writing. And reading amateur writing is not that great, most of
the time.
SBH
Once medical ethics included the avoidance of any situation that might offer
even the impression of impropriety.
What has happened to that ethic?
And where are the ethics of those who would argue for such situations?
> Bears repeating:
>
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> supposed to further the understanding of disease and protect patients
> from ineffective or dangerous drugs."
Robert - 27 Sep 2005 08:45 GMT
> Once medical ethics included the avoidance of any situation that might offer
> even the impression of impropriety.
>
> What has happened to that ethic?
>
> And where are the ethics of those who would argue for such situations?
The US is trying to hire as many Russian nuclear scientists as possible.
Money can buy a lot of ethics.
People are employed to do research. What impression of impropriety? That has
been going on for centuries.