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Medical Forum / General / General / September 2005heart prob vs physically unfit
if I run for 20 seconds I get an ache in the right shoulder and have to stop. if i were to continue it become near impossible to walk. Pain passes off soon though. and it's very mild pain. Could that be a mild heart attack? Yet still not meaning that I have a bad heart, rather that I should improve my ability to run, which should make the blood get pumped round the body better? or would the running actually strengthen the heart?! or make my leg muscles strogner so they require less fuel or effort to do the same amoutn of work. > if I run for 20 seconds I get an ache in the right shoulder and have to > stop. if i were to continue it become near impossible to walk. Pain [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > or make my leg muscles strogner so they require less fuel or effort to > do the same amoutn of work. No one can tell on the internet. Pain on exertion is NOT a good thing. Go to your doctor promptly. Steve  SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > > if I run for 20 seconds I get an ache in the right shoulder and have to > > stop. if i were to continue it become near impossible to walk. Pain [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Steve ok, though for te sake of my argument, pain on exertion is not a good thing. But maybe pain on over exertion is bad, but normal. And we just shouldn't over exert ourselves. i'm in my 20s, thin, I can play tennis against a bad opponent for 3 hours. Since it's a few strides, then a rest, then a few strides, e.t.c. I can do short bursts. Some people, typically people naturally good at running marathons, have Type I muscle fibres - built for prolonged use at low intensity. Others, typically able to manage weightlifting quite naturally, are good for short bursts. For me, - currently - runnign for 20 seconds is over exerting myself. I can run for 10 seconds. Wait. Run for 10 seconds. And get better, build up my tolerance. Then it'd take more of a run to over-exert myself. I might be able to run for a minute. But I think it's normal to have pain from over exerting oneself. Now, I will try running, build up my tolerance. I will stop from time to time to catch my breath. And I will not continue to the point where I get that pain in the right shoulder and pain on walking. here is a great article that backs up what I am saying http://tinyurl.com/dygea titled "Researchers link heart trouble to marathoning, but runners stride on" a few extracts " "There's a paradox about exercise," he says. "It looks like the more you do, the better off you are. And that's true, except, unfortunately, during the exercise itself."" " 24 hours after the race, the men, none of whom had any history of heart disease, exhibited early-stage signs of cardiac damage similar to those that appear during a heart attack." "Not surprisingly, Marvin Adner, medical director of the Boston Marathon, leans in favor of running - though he doesn't deny the risks. "You're at higher risk for heart attack when you're running. And when you're not running, you're at a lower risk," explains Adner, who adds nonchalantly that he's had "a few friends" die from running. "In the long run, it's more value than harm - but some people die doing it."" -- I am just currently so unfit for running, that 20 seconds is over exertion, and over exerion in running does that. stresses the whole cardiovascular system and hence the heart. >>>if I run for 20 seconds I get an ache in the right shoulder and have to >>>stop. if i were to continue it become near impossible to walk. Pain [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > exertion, and over exerion in running does that. stresses the whole > cardiovascular system and hence the heart. I am not saying exercise is bad. I am also a former competitive cyclist, and I know the meaning of pain. It is false to assume that because you are young that you cannot have a heart problem. There are plenty of young people walking around with undiagnosed arrhythmias. A young friend of mine who is a fit cyclist was fitted about 2 years ago with a pacemaker. Arguments sake is one thing, but the price of being wrong is pretty high. If you were MY son, I'd make sure you checked this out ASAP! Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 ...> ok, though for te sake of my argument, pain on exertion is not a > good thing. But maybe pain on over exertion is bad, but normal. And we > just shouldn't over exert ourselves. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But I think it's normal to have pain from over exerting oneself. Aaaah... it may NOT be normal! I know of a teenager who started to have pain whenever he exerted himself. During a regular well-child check up the doctor heard a heart murmur. A week later the kid had an echocardiogram, where they found a nasty genetic heart defect. The type that causes sudden death in adolescents (it turns out there are about half a dozen genetic conditions that do this). The kid is now on medication. Check with a doctor, not with anonymous strangers on Usenet. > Now, I will try running, build up my tolerance. I will stop from time > to time to catch my breath. And I will not continue to the point where [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > exertion, and over exerion in running does that. stresses the whole > cardiovascular system and hence the heart. > ...> ok, though for te sake of my argument, pain on exertion is not a > > good thing. But maybe pain on over exertion is bad, but normal. And we [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Check with a doctor, not with anonymous strangers on Usenet. agreed it may not be normal. but isn't it the thing that happens if you run and your heart beats too fast and you're legs aren't tired so you continue? You gotta have a mild heart attack, right? The pain there is always triggered by the same thing, me running and not considering the fact that i'm slightly out of breath. I had a run today, this time stopping every 10 seconds to let my heart beat slow down. No problems encountered. It's within the realms of possibility that I or anybody may have heart problems, but this incident means nothing. It'd happen to anybody if their heart rate goes up too fast from running. The heart beats more for the same exercise if you're unfit. So, I may get checked up, but, I don't tihnk this incident means anything. As that article said, marathon runners have heart attack problems. And for me, 20 seconds of running fast is tough on my whole cardiocascular system - the heart at its center. I will mention the incident to the doctor. But I think the cause (unfitness) matches the result. (which I think was a mild heart attack, but may not have been). Thanks Steve and HCN for your concern >agreed it may not be normal. but isn't it the thing that happens if you >run and your heart beats too fast and you're legs aren't tired so you >continue? You gotta have a mild heart attack, right? I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say here, but there is no normal situation (like running) in which you gotta have a heart attack, mild or otherwise. >It's within the realms of possibility that I or anybody may have heart >problems, but this incident means nothing. It'd happen to anybody if >their heart rate goes up too fast from running. The heart beats more >for the same exercise if you're unfit. No, it would *not* happen to everyone. Chest pain is *not* a normal result of exertion. >So, I may get checked up, but, I don't tihnk this incident means >anything. As that article said, marathon runners have heart attack [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(unfitness) matches the result. (which I think was a mild heart >attack, but may not have been). I'm beginning to think you don't really grasp what a heart attack is. There's nothing normal or expected about one, nor are they caused by merely being physically unfit. A heart attack is a true medical emergency no matter how "mild." Like the other posters who answered you, I urge you to make an appointment with your doctor ASAP to specifically investigate this chest pain. Don't just mention it in passing a year from now when you're there for some other reason. jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote in part: >I will mention the incident to the doctor. But I think the cause >(unfitness) matches the result. (which I think was a mild heart >attack, but may not have been). This makes no sense whatsoever. A heart attack doesn't occur because you are "unfit." You may get out of breath if you are unfit, but pain such as you describe is abnormal. You may be having angina, indicating that a heart attack is in your near future. See a doctor. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Thank you so much, I will see a doctor for a diagnosis. I just looked up angina, the symptoms for stable angina match me exactly http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/Diseases/Angina/Angina_WhatIs.html and I know a member of the family with an irregular heart beat, which that site says is a development of angina. I will see a doctor. |
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