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Edward Trestle - 18 Sep 2005 14:04 GMT
Hi,

Why do depressed people lose weight? Is it just as a result of reduced
appetite or is there some other mechanism at work? Just wondering as my wife
has just been diagnosed depressed - symptoms include weight loss and
constant fatigue, although she still eats like a horse. Blood test results
were fine.

Thanks.
Alan Harding - 18 Sep 2005 15:35 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>constant fatigue, although she still eats like a horse. Blood test results
>were fine.

Weight *change* is a common symptom of depression. Some people gain
weight. Medication can affect things too - I gained far too much weight
on one, and it's very difficult to lose it now I'm off it. There isn't a
standard depression.

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Howard McCollister - 18 Sep 2005 17:21 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> constant fatigue, although she still eats like a horse. Blood test results
> were fine.

Some depressed people gain weight, some lose weight. Depends on how they
view food and eating as a coping mechanism. Nothing "metabolic" about it -
it's all behavioral.

HMc
mrmatt - 18 Sep 2005 17:40 GMT
How severe is the Depression?  Is it situational?
Edward Trestle - 18 Sep 2005 18:27 GMT
Thanks for your responses. She doesn't believe she is depressed - her only
symptoms are constant fatigue for the last 8 months (to the point of
exhaustion)and this weight loss (around 25lb). Based on this and several
normal standard blood tests (iron, blood cell counts etc.) her doctor has
concluded that no other testing is necessary until she has tried Prozac for
3 months. Her eating habits haven't changed at all. She is a lot less active
now than she was (due to the fatigue) - but I would have thought this would
cause weight gain - not loss.

Regards,
Ed

>> Hi,
>>
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>
> HMc
waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett - 18 Sep 2005 18:54 GMT
><(((*> Thanks for your responses. She doesn't believe she is depressed - her only
><(((*> symptoms are constant fatigue for the last 8 months (to the point of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
><(((*> now than she was (due to the fatigue) - but I would have thought this would
><(((*> cause weight gain - not loss.

There are a number of physical illnesses and medical conditions
where depression is a side effect; for example, thyroid problems.
That's why a competent medical doctor runs a battery of tests
before concluding that antidepressant medication is the
appropriate treatment.

But if your wife isn't _feeling_ depressed, it seems odd to me
that her doctor could conclude that her weight loss and fatigue
are purely symptoms of clinical depression. I mean, they're also
side effects of a lot of other conditions, and not all of those
show up in the standard blood tests.

I think that in this situation, a second opinion is called for.
Preferably someone who has no connection with your current
doctor.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Jason - 19 Sep 2005 17:23 GMT
> ><(((*> Thanks for your responses. She doesn't believe she is depressed - her only
> ><(((*> symptoms are constant fatigue for the last 8 months (to the point of
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Tara J. Ballance
> Montreal, Canada

Tara,
Great post. I agree with you. Depression can be a side effect of a medical
condition and/or medication.
Jason

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Dark Butterfly - 22 Sep 2005 13:35 GMT
I've taken Prozac before, and I believe it's one of the worst
medications in the way of side effects.  I experienced severe heartburn
and it was so bad, it made me cry.  I take Lexapro now, and haven't
experienced any adverse side effects with that.  However, I think
doctors nowadays are way too eager to prescribe Prozac for depression.
But, I agree, why jump to the conclusion that she had depression?

>>><(((*> Thanks for your responses. She doesn't believe she is depressed
>
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> condition and/or medication.
> Jason
Edward Trestle - 22 Sep 2005 22:23 GMT
> I've taken Prozac before, and I believe it's one of the worst
> medications in the way of side effects.  I experienced severe heartburn
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> > condition and/or medication.
> > Jason

Many thanks for all your messages - we really do appreciate them. I think
the doctor we saw was pushing prozac because she let slip that she herself
had been depressed and couldn't function without it. Our instant impression
was to get a new doctor but then we thought that if it is depression - maybe
it's not a bad thing to have a doctor who had been through the same thing.
Nom dePlume - 23 Sep 2005 00:21 GMT
> Many thanks for all your messages - we really do appreciate them.

You're welcome!

> I think
> the doctor we saw was pushing prozac because she let slip that she herself
> had been depressed and couldn't function without it. Our instant impression
> was to get a new doctor but then we thought that if it is depression - maybe
> it's not a bad thing to have a doctor who had been through the same thing.

Indeed it isn't, as long as she doesn't make the mistake of
overgeneralizing from her experience. People do that all the time, and
assume that what works for them must work for others, and what doesn't
work for them can't work for others. If her only solution for
depression is Prozac (or SSRIs in general), then it is time to get a
better doctor. The ideal is a psychiatrist who specializes in
psychopharmacology (medications for mood disorders).
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Dark Butterfly - 23 Sep 2005 02:07 GMT
Yeah, the doctor we see had a newspaper article framed in the waiting
room declaring him a survivor.  Survivor of what, I wondered.  Well, I
was thinking he was a survivor of cancer or some other illness, but what
happened when I got in there told me something different.  He was just
like us.  He's suffering from mental illness, himself!  Wow, at that I
wasn't too sure I wanted to stay, I almost made a beeline for the door.
 Now, I'm glad I decided to stay, instead.

>>I've taken Prozac before, and I believe it's one of the worst
>>medications in the way of side effects.  I experienced severe heartburn
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> was to get a new doctor but then we thought that if it is depression - maybe
> it's not a bad thing to have a doctor who had been through the same thing.
Twittering One - 23 Sep 2005 02:30 GMT
"Yeah,
The doctor we see had a newspaper article
Framed in the waiting room
Declaring him
A survivor.

Survivor of what, I wondered.
Well, I was thinking he was a survivor of cancer
Or some other illness,

But what happened when I got
In there told me something different.

He was just like us.
He's suffering from mental illness, himself!
Wow, at that I wasn't too sure
I wanted to stay,

I almost made a beeline for the door.
Now, I'm glad I decided to stay,
Instead."
~ Dark Butterfly

"How so,
How, why are you glad ~ ?"
~ Twittering
Dark Butterfly - 23 Sep 2005 04:08 GMT
He seemed a gentle type of person and actually listened to what I had to
say.  I have another appt. on Tuesday.  Hope it goes well this time like
last.

> "Yeah,
> The doctor we see had a newspaper article
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> How, why are you glad ~ ?"
> ~ Twittering
Twittering One - 23 Sep 2005 04:16 GMT
"He seemed a gentle type of person
and actually listened to what I had to
say.  I have another appt. on Tuesday.
Hope it goes well this time like
last."
~ Dark Butterfly

"Good. Suicide rates
Are inordinately high among physicians
And male psychologists.

Treatment wise."
~ Twittering

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David Wright - 18 Sep 2005 19:47 GMT
>Thanks for your responses. She doesn't believe she is depressed - her only
>symptoms are constant fatigue for the last 8 months (to the point of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>now than she was (due to the fatigue) - but I would have thought this would
>cause weight gain - not loss.

Depends on whether she's also eating less, which wouldn't be
surprising.

But why does her doc insist on trying Prozac first?  There are a lot
of antidepressants, and Prozac would not necessarily be the best
choice for an individual.  If the doc isn't a psychopharmacologist,
I'd like to know the rationale.

(Personally, I wouldn't take Prozac.  It destroys your libido.  I'd
try something less inhibiting first.)

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>>> Hi,
>>>
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>>
>> HMc
Nom dePlume - 20 Sep 2005 06:56 GMT
> Thanks for your responses. She doesn't believe she is depressed - her only
> symptoms are constant fatigue for the last 8 months (to the point of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> now than she was (due to the fatigue) - but I would have thought this would
> cause weight gain - not loss.

Constant fatigue by itself does not constitute depression. It might
conceivably be a condition that would benefit from an antidepressant
medication for reasons unrelated to depression as such, but it
wouldn't be depression. Depression, by definition, has *depressed
mood* as a major defining issue.

I can't think of any reason why Prozac would result in her having more
energy, if her lack of energy isn't a side effect of depression. This
doesn't sound right to me.

I would look at endocrine problems first off. You mention a doctor and
"blood tests," but not what kind of doctor. Anemia is an obvious one,
but that's easy to detect, and it sounds like the doctor looked for
it. There are a variety of possible thyroid problems that can cause
fatigue, although the combination of fatigue and weight loss sounds
more like hyperthyroidism than hypothyroidism to me.

How is her sleep? Poor sleep from apnea or other breathing problems
can cause terrible fatigue, though not obviously weight loss.
Hyperthyroidism can also cause poor sleep, and seems to me a more
likely explanation than apnea (though if she sleeps poorly and it
isn't due to hormone problems, then she should visit a sleep clinic
for diagnosis).

I hate to say it, but she might also be a candidate for Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome, although you don't mention any of the other
symptoms.

I would *strongly* suggest that she see an endocrinologist (not a GP)
for a thorough study of her endocrine system. See where that leads
you. If that fails, and she sleeps badly, then visit a sleep clinic.
If she has no endocrine problems and does not have apnea, then a
*stimulating* antidepressant might help with the energy problem, but
that's some ways down the line. I wouldn't want to start there.

But Prozac? That makes no sense to me.

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Alan Harding - 21 Sep 2005 17:44 GMT
>Constant fatigue by itself does not constitute depression. It might
>conceivably be a condition that would benefit from an antidepressant
>medication for reasons unrelated to depression as such, but it
>wouldn't be depression. Depression, by definition, has *depressed
>mood* as a major defining issue.

Oddly enough, none of the diagnostic lists I've seen have depressed mood
as a necessary condition.

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Nom dePlume - 22 Sep 2005 00:55 GMT
> >Constant fatigue by itself does not constitute depression. It might
> >conceivably be a condition that would benefit from an antidepressant
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> Oddly enough, none of the diagnostic lists I've seen have depressed mood
> as a necessary condition.

In the formal sense, you're right. The term "depressed mood" doesn't
appear. That was my short-hand description of the mood-related
symptoms, such as

- persistently sad or irritable mood
- lack of interest in or pleasure from activities that were once
enjoyed
- feelings of guild, worthless, h opelessness, and emptiness

The original poster didn't describe any symptoms along these lines,
hence my suspicion that something other than depression was at work.
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Jason - 18 Sep 2005 18:06 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Thanks.

Hello,
I am a member of a depression support group so I have heard lots of
stories from the members about their experiences dealing with depression.
Based upon my experience, it's obvious to me that some depressed people
stop caring about whether they live or die. As a result, they no longer
worry about eating to much or too little. They also eat the wrong types of
food--such as cake and ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Or--they
might not eat anything for two or three days. You may want to do a google
search on depression.
Jason

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Dark Butterfly - 22 Sep 2005 13:27 GMT
I lose weight regardless of if I am depressed or not.  I just try to
maintain my current weight by eating everything in sight.  That's the
only way I can ensure I won't lose any more weight.

> Hi,
>
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>
> Thanks.
 
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