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Alzheimer's and CXR
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Tom Salls - 17 Aug 2005 11:14 GMT Yes, this is a homework question. :)
There's a whole range of tests which are performed on patients who are suspected to have Alzheimer's. I can understand the rationale for most of them, but why is a CXR always included on those lists? What other cause of dementia is being excluded by a CXR? About the only thing I can think of is metastatic lung cancer, but that seems a bit of a long shot.
I am sure the answer is blatantly obvious, but I have rooted through K&C, Googled, and generally smacked my head against a brick wall for the last hour.
Thanks for your time,
Tom
beachhouse - 17 Aug 2005 15:03 GMT you've hit the nail on the head -- a chest x-ray should not be a routine test for causes of dementia. But... there are a whole lot of other reasons that justify getting a chest x-ray --- shortness of breath, chest pain, abnormal lung exam, chronic cough, fever, subcutaneous nodules/palpable masses on the chest wall, etc. etc. Some of the diseases that cause those problems can also cause fatigue, memory problems, confusion...
> Yes, this is a homework question. :) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tom Tom Salls - 17 Aug 2005 20:23 GMT sendnomail@please.com wrote:
> you've hit the nail on the head -- a chest x-ray should not be a routine > test for causes of dementia. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Some of the diseases that cause those problems can also cause fatigue, > memory problems, confusion... Hmmm, OK. So apart from the risk of secondaries from lung cancer, it's also to exclude the confusional effects of anoxia due to lung disease? That'd make sense.
Thanks,
Tom
beachhouse - 19 Aug 2005 20:34 GMT > sendnomail@please.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tom No -- I would not order a chest x-ray to work-up dementia. Period. BUT -- there are a lot of demented people out there and they get sick just the same as anyone else. So, I frequently order chest x-rays in demented people -- but not because I want to find out why they are demented.
A chest x-ray is a terrible test for lung cancer.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 17 Aug 2005 20:24 GMT > Yes, this is a homework question. :) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can think of is metastatic lung cancer, but that seems a bit of a long > shot. COMMENT:
If pulse ox is good and there's no fever, there's no reason for a CXR, except to line somebody's pockets. Also no reason to do a CT, if an MRI is available.
ONE MRI is needed (to rule out stroke, subdural hematoma, etc) if no combined PET/CT is available, but often a PET/CT *IS* available (if you want to take a long drive) but is not used because insurance won't pay for it. So they end up doing 2 or more MRIs, futzing around with dementia over the months or years, and all of which are far less useful in making the diagnosis, and which together cost more than the diagnostic single PET/CT would have! Diagnosis of type of dementia is still a very inefficient and expensive system, still full of inefficiencies, and arcane (but very expensive) technology which is overused because insurrance and medicare have not caught up yet in what they will pay for. The over-and-over MRI scanning of the chronically confused elderly is one of the great screwups and scams of medicine today.
SBH
David Rind - 18 Aug 2005 03:50 GMT > Yes, this is a homework question. :) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tom Who recommends a CXR as part of a dementia workup? The list of tests actually recommended by most groups for a dementia workup is actually very short.
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Tom Salls - 18 Aug 2005 05:57 GMT drind@caregroup.harvard.edu wrote:
> > Yes, this is a homework question. :) > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > actually recommended by most groups for a dementia workup is actually > very short. In real life, probably no one. But I'm a student and so I'm at the level of regurgitating lists from my textbooks on demand.
The list differs from textbook to textbook, but seems to run along the lines of: FBC, ESR, U&Es, blood glucose, LFTs, serum calcium, vitamin B12 & folate, TSH, T4, T3, syphilis serology, CXR, CT / MRI / SPECT / PET.
I could see the rationale for each of those, but the CXR seemed rather out of place.
Tom
David Rind - 19 Aug 2005 00:33 GMT > drind@caregroup.harvard.edu wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tom In all seriousness, if you are using textbooks that are recommending stuff like CXRs for dementia evaluation, you may want to consider different textbooks/resources for this sort of clinical information.
 Signature David Rind drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
Tom Salls - 19 Aug 2005 10:57 GMT drind@caregroup.harvard.edu wrote:
> In all seriousness, if you are using textbooks that are recommending > stuff like CXRs for dementia evaluation, you may want to consider > different textbooks/resources for this sort of clinical information. Thanks David. As I said though, I am at the stage where I am learning the way we are 'supposed' to do it rather than what is actually done. This is the stuff that I will be expected to trot out in exams.
The bible for clinical medicine over here is Kumar & Clark's "Clinical Medicine", which does recommend CXR to exclude secondary causes of dementia, although notes that dementia due to secondary causes is infrequent. I'm sure that I'm going to run into plenty of things like this where the textbooks say one thing, but real life constraints dictate another.
Cheers,
Tom
David Rind - 19 Aug 2005 23:14 GMT > drind@caregroup.harvard.edu wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Tom I'm not sure what stage of training you're in exactly, but if a medical student on morning rounds told me he'd ordered a CXR as part of a dementia workup on a patient admitted the night before, I'd ask him to justify it with more than a sentence in a book.
I've never been at a place where Kumar and Clark was considered the bible of clinical medicine, and I have no opinion on it, but getting a CXR for dementia is not an issue of what people really do versus what the books say. Major texts (like Harrison's) do not recommend a CXR as part of a dementia workup.
I'm pushing on this because you seem to have recognized that a CXR made no sense (which caused your original post) and yet seem to be planning to regurgitate this recommendation when asked (thus causing your fellow students and perhaps some interns and residents to learn the wrong workup for dementia) rather than planning to let people know that you read the chapter that says this but can find no justification for the recommendation. Honestly, if you get in trouble with some resident or attending for questioning this sort of mistaken information in a book that's a real problem.
If this is in the first two years and you're talking about paper exams administered by nonclinicians, then I agree that the easier path may be to answer the question as you've been taught, sadly.
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Tom Salls - 20 Aug 2005 08:58 GMT drind@caregroup.harvard.edu wrote:
> I'm pushing on this because you seem to have recognized that a CXR made > no sense (which caused your original post) and yet seem to be planning > to regurgitate this recommendation when asked That's fine David, there's no offence taken. I'm in the UK and in the very early years of being a med student. K&C is the clinical medicine bible over here - for med students, at least. Out of interest, Harrisons does mention a CXR as part of the evaluation (table 350-2: Evaluation of the patient with dementia), bundling it in a long list which includes TSH, B12, CBC, urine heavy metals and brain biopsy(!). Obviously though, it's not implying that this is something which should be done for every demented patient.
> If this is in the first two years and you're talking about paper exams > administered by nonclinicians, then I agree that the easier path may be > to answer the question as you've been taught, sadly. Regurgitating information in exams is exactly the level I'm at, unfortunately. I need to know the 'right' answers to give - but of course I also want to know what benefits and information can reasonably be expected from each test so I can practise intelligently when I qualify, so I've found this discussion very useful.
Thanks,
Tom
David Rind - 20 Aug 2005 13:38 GMT > drind@caregroup.harvard.edu wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Tom I can't email you directly because of your nospam email address, but if you post or email me your real email address, I'll send you a topic that presents an evidence-based approach to the evaluation of dementia.
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 19 Aug 2005 03:18 GMT > In real life, probably no one. But I'm a student and so I'm at the > level of regurgitating lists from my textbooks on demand. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I could see the rationale for each of those, but the CXR seemed rather > out of place. COMMENT:
Well, welcome to the real world. There's a lot of mythology associated with cases of "reversable dementia" (ie, cases of supposedly demented people who were actually suffering from something treatable, and wound up being magically cured by some Dr. House). But in the real world, if that ever happens it's either because the diagnosis of dementia had been prematurely applied to delerium, or else it was a case of somebody in the early stages of dementia, who'd been temporarily pushed over into worse dementia by the delerium of some treatable illness (like infection) which then went away when the stress was reversed. However, such people do have detectable mental problems on close testing, and are soon back with the real thing (bona fide dementia) under conditions of no stress, and this time aren't fixable. It's much the same thing with honeymoon onset of diabetes, or somebody being warned of growing emphysema because his chest colds are so much worse than anybody else's. People with mild dementia get much worse when infected, but that hardly counts as a reversable dementia. It must means you made the dianosis of Alzheimer's or multi-infarct dementia somewhat earlier. Which is good (especially for MID which you can treat), but don't fool yourself about perfectly undamaged brains just misbehaving for month and months because of something fixable.
Does funny blood sugar make you demented? No. Gross abnormalities can make you delerius (short term cognitive impairment), but they never last months. You either get better or you die. The same is true of most of the nasty things that can go wrong with your CBC or LFTs. The B12 and the folate come from a *very* few case reports of somebody with reversible dementia who was B12 or deficient, and in my humble opinion do not warrent the millions upon millions spent looking at those vitamins. If your folate isn't low enough to make you megaloblastic, it's hard to imagine that it alone is screwing up your brain; there are plenty of genuinely megaloblastic people who mentate fine.
The B12 is perhaps worth doing, but I've seen hundreds of abnormal B12s in the elderly, without one case of reversable dementia from it yet. Again, it seems unlikely that somebody has been demyelinated badly enough to be demented, while still having a normal peripheral nerve exam, if you can do one. It's probably cheaper to put EVERYBODY on 1 mg of B12 a day for a few months--- that's a fraction of the cost of the blood test. But I'll conceed this one.
Does hyperthyroidism cause dementia? No. It causes restlessness, and looks a bit like infection. It's a hypersympathetic state. And it can push mild dementia into worse dementia, much like infection. It is rare, though. However, that said, T3 and T4 are now obsolete as screens in the era of supersensitive TSH.
So what about TSH? Well, everybody should have ONE TSH as a screen, I suppose. Though most of these catch beginning Hashimoto's, and don't really prevent or help treat dementia. *Does* HYPO-thyroidism cause people to be demented? Frankly, hardly ever. Hypothyroidism in children causes cretinism and severe retardation (thus the bad rap), but we're talking about low thyroid showing up first in the elderly. Does it look like dementia? No. Mild and moderately hypothyroid people have slow mentation and feel like crap, but if nothing else is wrong with their brains, so long as they awake, they are perfectly able to read clocks, make change, and remember their own birthdates. Any endocrinologist will tell you that-- the problem is the geriatricians seem never to have spoken to the endocrine guys who actually see hypothyroidism. If you get somebody with extremely low thyroid, about to go into hypothyroid *coma,* that may not be true, but you'll certainly recognize THAT from the rest of the physical exam. This is not why we draw all those TSH's on bright-eyed Mrs. Jones who can't put the numbers on a drawing of a clock face, or remember the names of her children. This, you're not going to fix endocriologically. So it's a waste of money.
I've talked about the CT and MRI. One or the other, never both. SPECT is a good test when there's no PET available (it's poor man's PET). But better to put somebody in car or even on a jet, and get the gold standard PET/CT. It's worth every penny.
SBH
Tom Salls - 19 Aug 2005 11:11 GMT sbharris@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Well, welcome to the real world. There's a lot of mythology associated > with cases of "reversable dementia" (ie, cases of supposedly demented > people who were actually suffering from something treatable, and wound > up being magically cured by some Dr. House). Thanks for that Steve, I appreciate you taking the time to go over all those tests - very useful. It's quite entertaining the differences between what we're taught and what is actually done!
Cheers,
Tom
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 19 Aug 2005 23:30 GMT > sbharris@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Well, welcome to the real world. There's a lot of mythology associated [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tom COMMENT:
Oh, bad news. I'm afraid what's actually DONE is usually what you're reading in your textbook. And most of it is a terrific waste of money. Not quite as bad as the serial MRIs done by some docs every time some demented person has a small change in mental status--- but still a lot of money down the rat-hole. And one reason why medicare and medicaid are in serious danger of pulling us all under, in the good old US of A.
There are cases in medicine where really high tech stuff saves money. For example, if you think treating AIDS is expensive with modern HAART therapy, try treating as we did in the bad old days when all there was, was AZT or nothing.
PET/CT is a little bit like that. It's a decent quality CT done in the same machine as a PET (like the CDI REACT scanner), so you get a "2-fer", plus much better quality on localizing the PET image, since you can superimpose the images. It can make the diagnosis of Alzheimer's and rule out mass lesions like large tumors or chronic subdurals, in one swoop. And it's pretty good at telling you about multi-infarct processes also, since to the extent that these cause dementia, they affect frontal lobe metabolism and you see that directly on 19-FDG PET, just as you do on SPECT.
Remember, the reason you image the head in dementia is to get information to rule out chronic subdural hematoma, tumor, and hydrocephalus. These all increase intercranial pressure and so affect the whole brain. Strokes don't do that. And strokes don't cause dementia unless there are very many of them. You can get all the gross info from a CT.
People do MRIs on demented people to look for diffuse white matter changes and vascular dementia, but this is usually a mistake, because the truth of the matter is that these aren't very specific. You can see them in non-demented people too. You're looking for their *metabolic effect,* in working up dementia and PET tells you that directly. In theory, the newer MRI techniques (functional or fMRI) can also, but using fMRI to evaluate dementia is still in the research phase. What's actually being *done* out there, is to use conventional MRI on dementia, and conventional MRI is not sensitive OR specific. PET picks up Alzheimer's LONG before anything shows up on MRI, and PET will also tell you if vascular changes in MRI are likely to be dementing or not, by looking at cortical metabolism. So all of that doesn't leave much place for the standard MRI at all--- yet it's still the most common modality used on demented patients. In fact, it's often used again and again and again on them. People have such a terrible urge to look inside the head to see if there's anything grossly wrong, that they'll do it over and over, even if they know they'll usually see nothing of value. So long as they're not paying for it (a similar thing happens in low back pain).
You will find that head imaging, particular MRI, is used often to substitute for the careful neurological exam, which takes time that nobody wants to pay the clinician for (but there's no escaping paying for the MRI). And this is particularly egregious in dementia, where the workup is slow and the medicare payments to the clinician are small. But even here the system could save a lot of money if people would pay attention to even the gross things. For example, the demented elderly person with the shuffling gait might have any possible cause for dementia, but the demented elderly person with a good well-coordinated gait (and there are many of these) almost certainly does NOT have vascular dementia (aka multi-infarct dementia). Yet another reason to save yourself that useless MRI, which will at best will only tell you the same, and at worst will confuse you by showing you incidental white matter disease which isn't causing the dementia you see clinically.
Steve
1:Top Magn Reson Imaging. 2004 Dec;15(6):369-89.
Pathological aging of the brain: an overview.
Bastos Leite AJ, Scheltens P, Barkhof F.
Department of Radiology, Vrije Universiteit (VU) Medical Center, Amsterdam, the Netherlands. A.bastosleite@vumc.nl
The number of elderly people is increasing rapidly and, therefore, an increase in neurodegenerative and cerebrovascular disorders causing dementia is expected. Alzheimer disease (AD) is the most common cause of dementia. Vascular dementia, dementia with Lewy bodies, and frontotemporal dementia are the most frequent causes after AD, but a large proportion of patients have a combination of degenerative and vascular brain pathology. Characteristic magnetic resonance (MR) imaging findings can contribute to the identification of different diseases causing dementia. The MR imaging protocol should include axial T2-weighted images (T2-WI), axial fluid-attenuated inversion recovery (FLAIR) or proton density-weighted images, and axial gradient-echo T2*-weighted images, for the detection of cerebrovascular pathology. Structural neuroimaging in dementia is focused on detection of brain atrophy, especially in the medial temporal lobe, for which coronal high resolution T1-weighted images perpendicular to the long axis of the temporal lobe are extremely important. Single photon emission computed tomography and positron emission tomography may have added value in the diagnosis of dementia and may become more important in the future, due to the development of radioligands for in vivo detection of AD pathology. New functional MR techniques and serial volumetric imaging studies to identify subtle brain abnormalities may also provide surrogate markers for pathologic processes that occur in diseases causing dementia and, in conjunction with clinical evaluation, may enable a more rigorous and early diagnosis, approaching the accuracy of neuropathology.
PMID: 16041289 [PubMed - in process]
2: Dement Geriatr Cogn Disord. 2005 May 20;20(2-3):63-70 [Epub ahead of print]
Diagnostic Value of FDG-PET and HMPAO-SPET in Patients with Mild Dementia and Mild Cognitive Impairment: Metabolic Index and Perfusion Index.
Dobert N, Pantel J, Frolich L, Hamscho N, Menzel C, Grunwald F.
Department of Nuclear Medicine, University of Frankfurt, Frankfurt, Germany.
Objective: The diagnostic potential of F-18-2-fluoro-2-deoxy-D-glucose positron emission tomography (PET) and technetium-99m hexamethylpropylene amine oxime single-photon emission tomography (SPET) in early detection and differential diagnosis of early dementia was evaluated including a comparison of metabolic and perfusion indices (PI). Methods: Twenty-four patients with initial clinical suspicion of beginning dementia were examined, 12 of them with mild cognitive impairment. All patients underwent SPET and PET within 2 weeks. Data were compared with the final clinical diagnosis at follow-up - 9 with Alzheimer's disease (AD), 1 with frontotemporal dementia, 1 with vascular dementia (VD), 7 with mixed type of dementia (MIX) and 6 without any type of dementia. Metabolic indices (MI) and PI were compared with each other. The regional cerebral blood flow difference (rCBFdiff) calculated as local uptake difference between the right and left hemisphere was measured for patients with VD and MIX. Results: PET showed higher sensitivity and specificity in identifying the different types of early dementia (44-91 and 78-89%, respectively) than SPET (11-64 and 79-89%, respectively), especially in detecting AD (sensitivity 44%, specificity 83%) and MIX (sensitivity 71%, specificity 78%). Especially in patients with mild cognitive impairment, PET was the superior imaging modality for predicting dementia. Using PET, dementia could be excluded in all patients who did not develop dementia during the follow-up. In all patients, a weak correlation between PI and MI was observed (rho = 0.64, p < 0.002). The rCBFdiff in patients with VD and MIX ranged from 7 to 37%. Conclusion: In this study on patients with initial suspicion of beginning dementia who underwent both imaging modalities, PET and SPET, PET was the superior imaging method, especially in the detection of early AD or MIX. Copyright (c) 2005 S. Karger AG, Basel.
PMID: 15908747 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
3: Nucl Med Commun. 2005 Mar;26(3):189-96.
Emission tomography in dementia.
Pakrasi S, O'Brien JT.
Institute for Health and Ageing, Wolfson Research Centre, Newcastle General Hospital, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 6BE, UK. sanjeet.pakrasi@ncl.ac.uk
Dementia is a chronic brain syndrome with enormous impact on health care provision. Emission tomography (single photon emission computed tomography (SPECT) and positron emission tomography (PET)) provides a unique tool to investigate functional and neurochemical changes, both in those with established dementia and in those at risk of subsequent cognitive decline. Alzheimer's disease is characterized by bilateral temporoparietal hypoperfusion on SPECT and hypometabolism on PET, which may precede the onset of dementia as similar changes can be demonstrated in those with mild cognitive impairment and in those genetically at risk of developing Alzheimer's disease. In dementia with Lewy bodies medial parietal and occipital perfusion deficits are seen together with pre-synaptic and post-synaptic dopaminergic changes, most particularly a reduction in the striatal pre-synaptic dopamine transporter which can be visualized using appropriate ligands (e.g., (123)I-FP-CIT). Vascular dementia is associated with multiple, asymmetric, perfusion deficits in multi-infarct dementia. In contrast, subcortical vascular dementia is associated with reduced perfusion but preserved oxygen extraction fraction on PET. Fronto-temporal dementia is characterized by both hypometabolism and hypoperfusion in fronto-temporal lobes, though hypometabolism appears more extensive, affecting large areas of the cerebral hemispheres. Longitudinal studies of treatment response in Alzheimer's disease with cholinergic drugs have found changes in regional blood flow and nicotinic and muscarinic receptor function in those patients who respond to treatment. Currently, emission tomography is widely used for assisting with clinical differential diagnosis. Future developments will entail the development and application of more specific neurochemical ligands and those which bear a closer relationship to the underlying disease processes, including markers of tau, amyloid and synuclein pathology.
Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial
PMID: 15722899 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
4: Arch Neurol. 2004 Oct;61(10):1545-50.
Effects of white matter lesions and lacunes on cortical function.
Reed BR, Eberling JL, Mungas D, Weiner M, Kramer JH, Jagust WJ.
University of California Davis Alzheimer's Disease Center, Martinez, CA 94553,USA. brreed@ucdavis.edu
BACKGROUND: Subcortical ischemic vascular dementia has been ascribed to prominent frontal lobe dysfunction secondary to ischemic lesions in frontothalamic circuits.Whether small-vessel disease in fact predominantly affects the frontal lobes is not well documented. OBJECTIVE: To ivestigate the effects of subcortical lesions (lacunes and white matter lesions [WML]) on cortical function, as reflected in glucose metabolism and cognitive function, in elderly individuals. DESIGN: Cross-sectional analyses of case series. SETTING: Multicenter, university-based study of subcortical vascular dementia. PATIENTS: Persons with normal cognition, mild cognitive impairment, or dementia and with and without lacunes on magnetic resonance images. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Regional cerebral glucose metabolism, normalized regional metabolic activity, and neuropsychological test scores. Major hypotheses were that volume of lacunes and WML correlate selectively with hypometabolism of prefrontal cortex and failure of executive cognitive ability. RESULTS: Lacunes correlated with metabolic rates in dorsolateral frontal cortex (DLF); WML substantially reduced metabolic rates throughout cortex, most strongly so in DLF. When regional metabolic activity was normalized to whole brain activity, lacunes remained correlated with DLF activity, whereas the WML effect was no longer found, probably because of its general distribution. Regional cerebral glucose metabolism and normalized activity in DLF also correlated with cortical atrophy. Metabolic activity in DLF correlated with executive function, memory, and global cognitive function, while activity in middle temporal gyrus correlated with memory and global function but not executive function. CONCLUSIONS: The metabolic effects of lacunes and WML are most apparent in DLF, but the effects of WML are generalized and frontal hypometabolism correlates with memory and global impairment, cognitive as well as executive function. The effects of subcortical cerebrovascular disease appear to converge on the frontal lobes but are diffuse, complex, and of modest magnitude.
Publication Types: Multicenter Study
PMID: 15477508 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
5: Neurology. 2004 Jul 27;63(2):246-53.
White matter lesions impair frontal lobe function regardless of their location.
Tullberg M, Fletcher E, DeCarli C, Mungas D, Reed BR, Harvey DJ, Weiner MW, Chui HC, Jagust WJ.
Department of Neurology, School of Medicine, University of California, Davis, USA. mats.tullberg@neuro.gu.se
OBJECTIVE: To analyze the effect of white matter lesions in different brain regions on regional cortical glucose metabolism, regional cortical atrophy, and cognitive function in a sample with a broad range of cerebrovascular disease and cognitive function. METHODS: Subjects (n = 78) were recruited for a study of subcortical ischemic vascular disease (SIVD) and Alzheimer disease (AD) contributions to dementia. A new method was developed to define volumes of interest from high-resolution three-dimensional T1-weighted MR images. Volumetric measures of MRI segmented white matter signal hyperintensities (WMH) in five different brain regions were related to regional PET glucose metabolism (rCMRglc) in cerebral cortex, MRI measures of regional cortical atrophy, and neuropsychological assessment of executive and memory function. RESULTS: WMH was significantly higher in the prefrontal region compared to the other brain regions. In all subjects, higher frontal and parietal WMH were associated with reduced frontal rCMRglc, whereas occipitotemporal WMH was only marginally associated with frontal rCMRglc. These associations were stronger and more widely distributed in nondemented subjects where reduced frontal rCMRglc was correlated with WMH for all regions measured. In contrast, there was no relationship between WMH in any brain region and rCMRglc in either parietal or occipitotemporal regions. WMHs in all brain regions were associated with low executive scores in nondemented subjects. CONCLUSIONS: The frontal lobes are most severely affected by SIVD. WMHs are more abundant in the frontal region. Regardless of where in the brain these WMHs are located, they are associated with frontal hypometabolism and executive dysfunction.
PMID: 15277616 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
David Rind - 19 Aug 2005 23:18 GMT > I've talked about the CT and MRI. One or the other, never both. SPECT > is a good test when there's no PET available (it's poor man's PET). But > better to put somebody in car or even on a jet, and get the gold > standard PET/CT. It's worth every penny. > > SBH Why? I agree that PET may do a better job of diagnosing the true etiology of dementia (vascular versus AD), but since the management is pretty similar, why work so hard (plane flight, expensive test) to find out something of relatively minor clinical significance?
(I'm asking this in all seriousness -- my experience is that Dr. Harris usually has a good reason for these sorts of recommendations.)
 Signature David Rind drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 19 Aug 2005 23:55 GMT > > I've talked about the CT and MRI. One or the other, never both. SPECT > > is a good test when there's no PET available (it's poor man's PET). But [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (I'm asking this in all seriousness -- my experience is that Dr. Harris > usually has a good reason for these sorts of recommendations.) COMMENT:
First because PET/CT will show you a definite organic cause before SPECT will, and certainly long before standard MRI or CT shows anything. Thus you can save yourself the MRI and all the workup looking for secondary causes. If all you have is a separate PET and a CT, you can still do them both and save yourself the MRI and secondary cause workup, if positive, and if negative, it can make you look for secondary causes much more thoroughly.
This has a drastic effect on management. If you KNOW for certain that your patient has early Alzheimers, you don't have to do a million dollar workup every time they have a drastic cognitive change from a UTI or flu or cold or whatever. You now have the guts to treat it and wait it out without wondering of your patient is dying of meningitis or stroke or whatever.
Second, it's getting more and more important to make a diagnosis of cause of early dementia, because there's a lot you can do about the diseases themselves. Certainly you can treat early vascular dementia specifically to keep it from progressing, and probably wouldn't want to do any of *that* (vigorous anti-stroke therapy and probably a statin) to a patient with pure Alzheimer's.
We're beginning to get a glimmer of treatment option, even for Alzheimer's disease. High dose vitamin E, fish oil, and antinflamatories slow it a bit, and in the mouse model curcumen (from the spice turmeric) actually disrupts AD plaques and stops the disease. And Indians who eat a lot of turmeric (the main ingredient in curry) have about quarter the AD incidence we have in the West. Google for a lot more info. Too early to say if this will hold for humans, but if I had early AD and knew it from PET, I would certainly be gulping E and turmeric like crazy. It's benign (unlike antiplatelet therapy, or even statins in the elderly without vascular risk factors). Surely other more specific therapies for AD (though I dare say a lot more expensive than an Indian spice) are just around the corner.
SBH
dcholiman@ev1.net - 21 Aug 2005 10:35 GMT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The mention that Vitamin E retards AD progression compliments the use of vit E for prostate shrinkage. After 3 years on 400 IUD per diem of Vit E, my prostate evaluation went from "enlarged" to "slightly enlarged." Now you are saying it is also good for delaying AD symptoms/onset.
What about the good Ibuprofen publicity ? Are you saying Ibuprofen only slows AD and does not prevent it ?
David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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