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Medical Forum / General / General / August 2005HUBBLE PHOTOS Shaking Up ALL of Science
First this: > http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg Then this: > http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational than the one above taken in 1996. This time the Hubble took a photo through a black patch of sky --through a black patch of sky in the the Hubble telescope, that is -- and it was like peering through an eight-foot-long straw. To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement. The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 -- have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology, of physics, of geology - of many disciplines of science - not to mention smashing to smithereens the myth of the origin and ancestry of man on earth via evolution. Ed Conrad > http://www.edconrad.com Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older) > First this: >> http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> > Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older) Oddly, I really cant see what is either mind-boggling about these photos let alone how they rattle any of the theories of physics or evolution? >>First this: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Oddly, I really cant see what is either mind-boggling about these photos let > alone how they rattle any of the theories of physics or evolution? I'm not sure how odd that might be, but shouldn't there be some sign of the galaxies thinning out at those distances according to Big Bang? John The universe is not expanding at an edge. The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching. Anybody know of the geometry of the space-stretch? > The universe is not expanding at an edge. > The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching. > > Anybody know of the geometry of the space-stretch? Its not stretching. The distance between large scale structures is increasing. >> The universe is not expanding at an edge. >> The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Its not stretching. The distance between large scale structures is >increasing. Not really. Space *is* stretching. All space. Everywhere. Not just 'between large scale structures'. However motion of the components of 'large scale structures' due to their mass/energy may move the components in a fashion to counter the local space stretch. It all depends on the local Mass-Energy tensor.... the softrat Sometimes I get so tired of the taste of my own toes. mailto:softrat@pobox.com -- Oyster--n., a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddish expressions. >>> The universe is not expanding at an edge. >>> The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > components in a fashion to counter the local space stretch. It all > depends on the local Mass-Energy tensor.... Is there evidence that the distance between (say) protons in the nucleus is increasing? I will freely admit it is a few years since I spent time in an academic institution however I am fairly sure the expansion of space is limited on a "local" scale by the attractive nature of gravity. It is possible that the localised expansion could be to small to detect but this would imply a sliding scale for H_0 which isn't consistent with the observed data. Brainwashed by the education system!!! > Brainwashed by the education system!!! You have been brainwashed by your religious cult. No it's stretching all right. The only other choice is a boundary expanding at light speed where the galaxies are moving *through space* away from each other in a giant empty sphere. There is no boundary. The universe is closed and space is stretching inbetween the galaxies. How do you like? > No it's stretching all right. The only other choice > is a boundary expanding at light speed where the > galaxies are moving *through space* away from each > other in a giant empty sphere. Why is that the only other choice? If space is "stretching" or "moving" - which direction is it moving in? > There is no boundary. The universe is closed You have no idea if this is true or not. Within the visible universe it is definitely not closed. If the universe is closed, where is the centre? > and space is stretching inbetween the galaxies. The balloon analogy is a teaching tool not an accurate representation of reality. > How do you like? How do I like what? > I'm not sure how odd that might be, > but shouldn't there be some sign of the > galaxies thinning out at those > distances according to Big Bang? > John Not really. That would imply we were at the centre of the Universe which isn't part of big bang theory. > Oddly, I really cant see what is either mind-boggling about these photos let > alone how they rattle any of the theories of physics or evolution? Ditto that. > To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement. Some peoples brains are more easily boggled than others. But yes it's a nice photo. > First this: > > http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement. Yeah, OK. > The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 -- > have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology, Really? How so? > of physics, Really? How so? > of geology Really? How so? > - of many disciplines of science - not to mention > smashing to smithereens the myth of the origin and ancestry of man on > earth via evolution. Really? How so? > Ed Conrad > > http://www.edconrad.com > > > Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older) PD has the hiccups. > PD has the hiccups. No. PD asks good questions. > > PD has the hiccups. > > No. PD asks good questions. Just kidding because he repeated the same thing several times... SKS please explain to me why and how the photos are shaking people up. Thanks! Jackie "://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg > > Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational > > than the one above taken in 1996. > > > The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 -- > > have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology, > > http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg Nice pix. It looks like somebody sneezed on the film after eating a hamburger and a milkshake. After closer examination, a Whopper and a vanilla shake. |
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