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Medical Forum / General / General / August 2005Why do people with Tourette swear?
I talked to someone on the phone the other day and they exhibited symptoms of what I have always heard is part of Tourette syndrome, vocal spasms including a lot of swearing and racial epithets. I couldn't tell if they were for real but it made me wonder. Why swearing? Why not just random words or even random meaningless sounds? If someone didn't know any swear words, what would take their place? > I talked to someone on the phone the other day and they exhibited symptoms > of what I have always heard is part of Tourette syndrome, vocal spasms [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why swearing? Why not just random words or even random meaningless sounds? > If someone didn't know any swear words, what would take their place? "groovy", "man alive", "awesome". Jim Carrey's version of "loo-zer", "poopiehead", "spaghettio's" My hunch is that they'd say whatever they're trying not to say most. If there were a disease that makes you say non-bad words, victims probably wouldn't try to control it as much and it would come out more naturally. That's probably just called talking to yourself. You can download a brochure I co-wrote called "Understanding Coprolalia- A Misunderstood Symptom" from the TSA website for $2.00. http://www.tsa-usa.org/ Unfortunately it is no longer free online. Researchers believe the part of the brain that controls inhibition is involved. Random words or meaningless sounds are not taboo- and what is taboo is typically what is inhibited. It has been reported that people have swearing (Coprolalia) in sign language, foreign languages, etc. Even children with coprolalia will use age-appropriate 'swear words'. If someone did not know swear words, they might substitute a socially unacceptable word or phrase in a given triggering (or not) situation, such as "ugly", "fatso", "baldy", etc... Random meaningless sounds are also a part of TS, but are not typically considered coprolalia, rather either simple or complex vocal tics. I hope this answers a few questions for you. PS- Many post-CVA or dementia patients also develop something similar to coprolalia - so it clearly is neurological, although with TS is in indisputable that there is a cognitive/psycho-social element to the content of the words or phrases being used. Jo C, LCSW > I talked to someone on the phone the other day and they exhibited symptoms > of what I have always heard is part of Tourette syndrome, vocal spasms [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why swearing? Why not just random words or even random meaningless sounds? > If someone didn't know any swear words, what would take their place? > You can download a brochure I co-wrote called "Understanding > Coprolalia- A Misunderstood Symptom" from the TSA website for $2.00. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jo C, LCSW One of the regular contributers here--sorry, I don't remember who--mentioned copropraxia and appreciated the local police understanding that flipping them the bird was a tic, not a heart-felt insult. >> I talked to someone on the phone the other day and they exhibited > symptoms [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sounds? >> If someone didn't know any swear words, what would take their place? > > You can download a brochure I co-wrote called "Understanding > > Coprolalia- A Misunderstood Symptom" from the TSA website for $2.00. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > copropraxia and appreciated the local police understanding that flipping > them the bird was a tic, not a heart-felt insult. Right, that might have been me? Thanks for adding that Sandy, I completely forgot to mention copropraxia.... jo > >> I talked to someone on the phone the other day and they exhibited > > symptoms [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > sounds? > >> If someone didn't know any swear words, what would take their place? Pyschic release of energy needing expression, a healthier release, far better than physical violence. But also, energy that is being frustrated, humilated, energy too powerfully self-destructive if thwarted. A person in power, able to prove a necessary point via logistical expertise, will no feel that frustration. But if you humiliate, thwart, deny, denigrate, you compromise a person's ability to be understood in a fundamentally critically important way. That's why there is crime in the ghetto. Few outlets, hopeless exits, denigrated disempowerment by the larger culture. A realistic hopeless that begins early that is hard to transcend, via action or mental effort ... Rage turned inward, self-destructon. Rage turned outward, if unable to find outlet, chaotic aggression. Anyone, under horrendous humilation, by others, can feel such hopeless rage, or helpless self-destruction. And it is deadly. > Rage turned inward, self-destructon. > Rage turned outward, if unable to find outlet, chaotic aggression. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And it is deadly. IMO, you are confusing rage and outrage. Rage is a malignancy of psychopaths, narcissists and borderline bipolars which incites them psychopaths, narcissists and borderline bipolars to engage in behavior to humilate, invalidate and deny the factual reality of people displaying lots of human qualities like kindness, empathy, honesty, moral courage. Outrage is how persons sharing territory with psychopaths and narcissists and borderline bipolars feel about psychopaths, narcissists and borderline bipolars being free and at large to destroy other people's lives with impunity. The big difference is that rage is symptomatic of a malignancy in a person....outrage is a symptom of sharing territory with malignant people. "Rage is a malignancy of psychopaths" No it is not. Rage is normal human experience under certain conditions. > "Rage is a malignancy of psychopaths" > > No it is not. > Rage is normal human experience under certain conditions. If the rage is a reaction to external conditions beyond your locus of control---then, it's outrage----not "rage" Sorry to be so nitpicky---but, one has to differentiate outrage any reasonable person would feel in certain conditions from pathological rage. . If the rage is a reaction to external conditions beyond your locus of control---then, it's outrage----not "rage" Sorry to be so nitpicky---but, one has to differentiate outrage any reasonable person would feel in certain conditions from pathological rage. ~ Linda Screaming for life ~ Rage or outrage? > Rage turned inward, self-destructon. > Rage turned outward, if unable to find outlet, chaotic aggression. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And it is deadly. This does not describe the typical experience of those who have coprolalia. JC > > Rage turned inward, self-destructon. > > Rage turned outward, if unable to find outlet, chaotic aggression. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This does not describe the typical experience of those who have > coprolalia. That's the skewed, self-serving and non-factual opinion of lying stalking filth like you, not a fact. Coprolalia, corpropraxia, coprographia triggered in TS'ers by abuse, bullying, harassment and/or lying stalking filth like you denying factual reality is called dysinhibition syndrome. http://www.hopepress.com/html/dysinhibition_syndrome.html How about providing a reference showing that Jo is wrong rather than one for dysinhibition syndrome? > How about providing a reference showing that Jo is wrong rather than > one for dysinhibition syndrome? Ha! A trick question! 1) The lack of inter-reliability of DSM diagnosis ensures there's no such thing as a "typical" experience wrt manifestation of tics, including coprolalia. 2) I can't prove a negative. Where I hail from ----tourettes syndrome and dysinhibition sydrome are more often then not, one and the same thing. . See Dr. Jankowicz and Dr. Comming's research. In connecticut, where Cohen lives, and some other places, including Canada, researchers ignore the reality that tourettes is a SYNDROME---not a disorder---and, they dx people with a "tics only disorder" as having tourettes *syndrome*. Cohen's ideations about the "typical" experience of people with coprolalia are totally skewed, non-factual and self-serving----on account of it being a description of her own coprolalia---not a description universally true. Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered to dysinhibit--then will tic like crazy---including coprolalia. Abuse, bullying, harassment, denigrating, humiliation, and invalidation et al is the number one trigger of dysinhibition in those with tourettes syndrome; hence, abuse et al is the cause of a high percentage of incidents of coprolalia, coprographi and copropraxia. >>How about providing a reference showing that Jo is wrong rather than >>one for dysinhibition syndrome? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > are totally skewed, non-factual and self-serving----on account of it being > a description of her own coprolalia---not a description universally true. Jo helped me understand my son's coprolalia. It's exactly as how Jo described it, sure some slight differences as all people are different. I'm very grateful to Jo's help with Mat. > Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered to > dysinhibit--then will tic like crazy---including coprolalia. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > syndrome; hence, abuse et al is the cause of a high percentage of > incidents of coprolalia, coprographi and copropraxia. My son is not abused, he is not insecure, he is strong, independent, generous, loving and has coprolalia and copropraxia. JoanneB > >>How about providing a reference showing that Jo is wrong rather than > >>one for dysinhibition syndrome? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Jo helped me understand my son's coprolalia. It's exactly as how Jo > described it, sure some slight differences as all people are different. Err, the lying stalking filth's periodic cleansing of AST of all posters whose TS is the result of dysinhibition as opposed to the TS depicted in the hype and prop that Jo and her pals have plastered all over the WWW ensures that nearly all the remaining AST posters have tourettes which manifests as the lying stalking filth wish TS to be depicted ---doesn't it? > I'm very grateful to Jo's help with Mat. That's wonderful! So many of us haven't any idea what "help" is like---never having been the recipient of any "help". > > Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered to > > dysinhibit--then will tic like crazy---including coprolalia. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My son is not abused, he is not insecure, he is strong, independent, > generous, loving and has coprolalia and copropraxia. You misunderstood. My objection is to Jo's implication that Jo's description of coprolalia is "typical"; therefore, twittering one's is "atypical". When there's no "typical" manifestation of tics and/or coprolalia in TS. Both descriptions are typical manifestations of tics and coprolalia in TS. Surely you don't believe cussing occuring during dysinhibition is less involuntary then cussing absent dysinhibition? . > Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered to > dysinhibit--then will tic like crazy---including coprolalia. I was trying to determine what there is to back up your idea that TS is caused by a person's environment, if that's what you're saying. > Abuse, bullying, harassment, denigrating, humiliation, and invalidation > et al is the number one trigger of dysinhibition in those with tourettes > syndrome; hence, abuse et al is the cause of a high percentage of > incidents of coprolalia, coprographi and copropraxia. Oh, so you're not saying that social environment can cause the cursing form of TS--just that it's the cause of a high percentage of incidents once someone already has TS. That seems measurable to me, and I think you're wrong about that too. I bet most incidents of TS cursing aren't due to excessive stress or any form of abuse. That seems like the consensus here from the rational sounding people. And I think it's easy to sound rational in writing even if you have a "syndrome" that gives you an uncontrollable desire to blurt out bad things as in TS. I heard people with TS know it's wrong to say those things and try to stop themselves. They'd simply not send the message until it's appropriately edited. Maybe dysinhibition syndrome is different, and that's what you might have (though I'd just call it being mean since I'm not a doctor), but I think you're wrong about TS. > > Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered to > > dysinhibit--then will tic like crazy---including coprolalia. > > I was trying to determine what there is to back up your idea that TS is > caused by a person's environment, if that's what you're saying. It wasn't what I was saying. > > Abuse, bullying, harassment, denigrating, humiliation, and invalidation > > et al is the number one trigger of dysinhibition in those with tourettes [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > call it being mean since I'm not a doctor), but I think you're wrong > about TS. What can I say? The TS disinformationalists/lying stalking filth preying on AST are skilled and practiced liars. In any case, you have made it abundantly clear that truth and mutual understanding wasn't your motive for engaging me; pissing on me was your motive. A pity this urinal is busted-and sprays your piss right back atcha---and, then some. >> > Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered > to [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > In any case, you have made it abundantly clear that truth and mutual > understanding wasn't your motive for engaging me...(snip, snip, snip) Linda, I think you can agree that over the years, thankfully, there has been an abundance of new information concerning TS and its comorbid disorders. And that new information has, thankfully, spawned even more theories and ideas and research and newer information. In the relatively short time (about 13 years) that I have been involved in learning about TS, reading and posting at a.s.t., reading the literature, discussing with specialists at research centers, etc., I have been wonderfully amazed at the progress made in understanding TS. And at how much more there yet to learn. Certainly, the old adage could have been written for this circumstance: something like..."The more I know, the more I realize what I don't know..." The bottom line is that "truth" about TS can change. What we Know today, may well shift with the next research study. Highly regarded physicians do not completely agree with each other. And the one thing that we certainly can agree on, concerning TS, is that it can manifest itself so differently in different populations. What you and/or your child experience is Truth for you, yet can be so very different from what is experienced by my family. And that is certainly different from many many others here. Yet we all Know what we are talking about. TS has few Truths, except that it will change and that it different in each individual. That includes whether it comes or goes, has comorbid disorders or not, how it "feels", what pushes the individuals' "buttons", what it "looks" like, whether meds are called for or not (an individual decision), had how one responds to the meds. Because I, or anyone else may disagree with you on some point, does not mean that we are disrespecting you. I don't take your disagreement with me as disrespect. I do take the tone of your response, when you lash out, as disrespect. I don't really have a good handle on your family's experience with TS; I don know that it is certainly different from ours. I would like to understand it better. Obvously, it has not been a good experience based on some of the things you have posted; but, I am confused by some descriptions that contradict each other. Since this is supposed to be a support group for individuals and families with TS, I would like to have a clearer understanding of how TS has affected your family, and what your needs and concerns are in living with or dealing with TS in your life. That would certainly help me support you. still inventing KC > >> > Lot's of other people with TS are mostly asymptomless unless triggered > > to [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > disrespect. I do take the tone of your response, when you lash out, as > disrespect. It's no big secret that I have contempt, not respect, for any and all gutless cowards who sympathize with stalking filth. Nor is it any big secret I have contempt, not respect, for posters who engage in distortion to scapegoat me for contretempts that are the result of aggression of stalking filth or their sympathizers. It was Cohen, not me, who derailed the discussion about swearing by Cohen attempt to invalidate Twittering One's contribution by Cohen proclamation that Twittering one's description of manifestation of coprolalia was not the "typical" manifestation in Tourettes. Of course, Twittering's description was not the manifestation of coprolalia in TS--since Twittering's dx is ADHD---not TS. However, all the empirical studies I have ever seen on TS regarding the percentage of people with TS having dysinhibition vs. compulsivity suggest that there are slightly more dysinhibiting TS'ers then there are compulsive TS'ers---hence , Twittering One's contribution is a description slightly more typical of manifestation of coprolalia.in TS/ers. Furthermore, there's the school of thought holds that TS and ADHD are one and the same disease. I'm an adherent of that school since the *only* difference I can see between TS and ADHD is a socially constructed difference---where the professional bias favoring unemotional types results in unemotional children's inane, offensive and profane vocalizations and motor movement being assessed as "involuntary" tics while the same exact vocalizations and motor movements in emotionally charged children are being assessed as "voluntary" indulgence of wayward impulse and symptoms of a conduct disorder. AS IF emotionally charged children possess a greater capacity to suppress the irresistable urge to act on wayward impulses then their unemotional peers do WRT to the "X-poster", it was the X-poster, not me who instigated our hostile exchange by the X-posters unquestioned acceptance of Jo unsubstantiated assertion, while simultaneosly attacking me when I reminded readers Jo's assertion was a personal opinion, not a fact---as well as, the X-posters flame wrt "rational sounding" people and his/her characterizing me as "mean" for refering to the stalking filth by the "jacket" they devoted years of their life earning. It's my prerogative to decide how I want to cope with newcomers of a mind to engage me in a pissing contest. My being echo-everything results in my having a propensity to spit back at people who spit on me; therefore, I think I do newcomers a favor by making that fact known at the outset. Furthermore, my extremely negative experiences on support forums where posters are being preyed upon by the SPP stalking filth has apparently molded my Usenet persona into that of a "pit viper". I'm sick of posters poking at a poster who is said to be a "pit viper", then WHINING when they get bit. . > I don't really have a good handle on your family's experience > with TS; I don know that it is certainly different from ours. I would like > to understand it better. Obviously, it has not been a good experience based > on some of the things you have posted; but, I am confused by some > descriptions that contradict each other. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your family, and what your needs and concerns are in living with or dealing > with TS in your life. That would certainly help me support you. Err, the subject I obsess about is "everyone" engaging in all manner of distortion and falsifying of factual reality to rationalize their scapegoating some individuals, especially TS'ers, for "everyone" designating such individuals, especially TS'ers, socially acceptable targets of "everyone's" aggression. > However, all the empirical studies I have ever seen on TS regarding the > percentage of people with TS having dysinhibition vs. compulsivity suggest > that there are slightly more > dysinhibiting TS'ers then there are compulsive TS'ers---hence , Twittering > One's contribution is a description slightly more typical of manifestation > of coprolalia.in TS/ers. I would have accepted that kind of response better than your first one to me. I have slightly higher requirements for people who've just got done viciously attacking someone. You should have explained yourself like that originally instead of resorting to name calling. Out of curiosity, where does that disorder that makes you scream when someone accidentally surprises you fit into this? I heard about that a few years ago. > > However, all the empirical studies I have ever seen on TS regarding the > > percentage of people with TS having dysinhibition vs. compulsivity suggest [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > done viciously attacking someone. You should have explained yourself > like that originally instead of resorting to name calling. <Yawn> "Lying stalking filth" is the name I gave to the rogue professionals and non-degree holding supplicants who criminally cyberstalk/harass and/or maliciously libel person after person. Some of the lying stalking filth's other names are the "Cabal", "PeterHood Fan Club", "Brotherhood of the Blood", "Auk-tards" and, in the alternative health groups --the "Rag Tag Posse". See: Look Who's Stalking Now: Psychologists Participate in Cyberstalking Ring to Manage Flow of Information Favorable to Opinions in Unmoderated Sci.Psychology.Psychotherapy "News Group" http://www.fireflysun.com/book/sci.psychology.psychotherapy.php Inside the Brotherhood of the Blood Wyatt Ehrenfels Presents the Ranking Officers of Psychology's Stalking Gang http://www.fireflysun.com/book/sci.psychology.psychotherapy_stalker_profiles.php Unless the lying stalking filth profiled have nuked their malicious lies and libel about me since the report was published ---you can get an idea of the visceral harassment usenet's lying stalking filth have been subjecting me to for years by clicking the links provided for Iceman, Kali's, Card IX, Frye's posts about "Gore" aka Linda Gore. > Out of curiosity, where does that disorder that makes you scream when > someone accidentally surprises you fit into this? I heard about that a > few years ago. http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/nord816.asp Hyperexplexia Synonyms Exaggerated Startle Reaction Familial Startle Disease Hyperekplexia Kok Disease Startle Disease Disorder Subdivisions None General Discussion Hyperexplexia is a rare autosomal dominant, hereditary, neurological disorder that may affect infants as newborns (neonatal) or prior to birth (in utero). It may also affect children and adults. Individuals with this disorder have an excessive startle reaction to sudden unexpected noise, movement, or touch. Symptoms include extreme muscle tension (stiffness or hypertonia) that can cause the affected person to fall stiffly, like a log, without loss of consciousness. Exaggeration of reflexes (hyperreflexia), and an unstable way of walking (gait) may also occur. The treatment of hyperexplexia is relatively uncomplicated and involves the use of anti-anxiety and anti-spastic medicines. However, the disorder is frequently misdiagnosed as a form of epilepsy so that the process of getting an accurate diagnosis may be prolonged. Resources NIH/NINDS Brain Resources and Information Network Internet: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/ Contact Info for Support group http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/shc29hpl.asp > Look Who's Stalking Now: > Psychologists Participate in Cyberstalking Ring to Manage Flow of > Information Favorable to Opinions in Unmoderated > Sci.Psychology.Psychotherapy "News Group" Bad subtitle. A something like that needs to be done to counter the misinformation by people like the anti-fluoride guy. Maybe a post with some good pro and con information about fluoride in every thread he starts, that includes responses to his usual claims, such as the one that "common law doctrine of informed consent indicates that putting the cumulative poison [the essential nutrient fluoride, which studies have shown to be safe] into people without their consent is a CRIME/battery." Kind of like my reply in the wine thread. There shouldn't be malicious lies or libel though. > > Out of curiosity, where does that disorder that makes you scream when > > someone accidentally surprises you fit into this? I heard about that a > > few years ago. > Hyperexplexia I recently saw a video of animals falling down when startled, but I didn't know it was the same as the shouting one. > > Look Who's Stalking Now: > > Psychologists Participate in Cyberstalking Ring to Manage Flow of > > Information Favorable to Opinions in Unmoderated > > Sci.Psychology.Psychotherapy "News Group" > > Bad subtitle. Whatever. The fact is that referring to a member of a cyberstalking ring as "lying stalking filth" or alternately, as a member of the "Cabal", "The brotherhood of the blood", the "SPP stalkers", the "Auk-tard", "rag tag posse" , "Peter Hood Fan Club"s is no different than acknowledging someone is a skin-head, a scientologist, a member of the KKK, or LA's "bloods" and "Crips" (sp). There's no malice attributable to persons who acknowledge other people's cybergang affiliation. > A something like that needs to be done to counter the misinformation by > people like the anti-fluoride guy. Maybe a post with some good pro and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > their consent is a CRIME/battery." Kind of like my reply in the wine > thread. There shouldn't be malicious lies or libel though. I'm not familiar with the "fluoride" guy's rhetoric. I do know that what's healthy for some people can be poison or toxic to other people. > > > Out of curiosity, where does that disorder that makes you scream when > > > someone accidentally surprises you fit into this? I heard about that a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I recently saw a video of animals falling down when startled, but I > didn't know it was the same as the shouting one. Q. Why isn't everyone who swears diagnosed with Tourettes? A. Because diagnosis are subjective. Q. Why is is that someone who is abused, Who becomes suicidal, Who calls for help, Who is ignored, Who losses her mind as a result ~ Diagnosed With an Adjustment Disorder?" ~ Mer Loleil "A. Because diagnoses are subjective." ~ Black Chalk "O." ~ Folly "But I though, according THE DSM ~ IV, And Adjustment Disorder Comprises an ABNORMAL reaction to a normal life situation. Heck, get REAL SUCKER ~ ! ABUSE IS NOT NORMAL. OUTRAGE, RAGE, SCREAMS are very normal under such HORRENDOUS Circumstances." ~ Twittering "Heck, yeah ~ ! Signs of LIFE ~ !" ~ Folly !Quoof!" ~ Twittering "Ashes shmashes ~ ! Damn. Are you still alive?" ~ Gekko "Barge on in ~ ! Just tell the NYUMedical Center's M & M Hey ~ I'm still alive, I really am, I climbed Out of the Crypt alive ~ Here I am ~ !" ~ Twittering "Cocksuckerers ~ ! Scummmm ~ ! Shittttttt ~ ! Liarsssssssssssssssssssssss ~ !" ~ Folly > Q. Why is is that someone who is abused, > Who becomes suicidal, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Liarsssssssssssssssssssssss ~ !" > ~ Folly I'm too pre-occupied with uncovering the identities and the ulterior motives of all the people who participated in the group stalking of andrew, then myself --to pay any heed to all the many DSM disorders the stalking filth have libeled me as having. Needless to say, "adjustment disorder" was the umpteenth dx the "stalking therapist" libeled me as having before I permanently killfiled him in early 2004. From what I gather, adjustment disorder is another "slop" dx which rogue clinicians use to invalidate the perceptions, feelings, thoughts of a person enduring horrendous abuse in the here and now, by saying the person isn't angry, outraged, etc. about what's happening in the here and now---they really pissed off, outraged and angry bout some unresolved feelings from childhood trauma, I think it's outrageous for anyone to suggest someone enduring horrific abuse in the present, isn't pissed off and outraged about the horrendous abuse in the present, but some long forgotten childhood trauma. I also think slapping a label like "adjustment disorder" on a person seeking help to heal wounds from current/recent abuse is engaging in mauchenson by proxy. Because denying the validity of your perceptions, thoughts and feelings about having enduring horrendous abuse in the present, and, pathologizing them as being owing to an adjustment diosrder is mauchenson by proxy bullshit---IMO. And, because being treated for a mental illness you don't have----is one sure fire way to create the illness the clinician purports to cure----and that's mauchenson by proxy bullshit. Maybe---that's your real complaint--- mauchenson by proxy----by a professional! That's my real complaint about deranged psychologists cyberstalking/harassing/defaming unmet strangers --cause I think they engaging in maunchenson by proxy BS---too! "From what I gather, adjustment disorder is another "slop" dx which rogue clinicians use to invalidate the perceptions, feelings, thoughts of a person enduring horrendous abuse in the here and now, by saying the person isn't angry, outraged, etc. about what's happening in the here and now---they really pissed off, outraged and angry bout some unresolved feelings from childhood trauma." ~ Linda What she said. Or a person who was injured in the here and now, in an abusive therapy context, that collegue is covering up. > "From what I gather, adjustment disorder is another "slop" dx which > rogue [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > in the here and now, in an abusive therapy context, > that collegue is covering up. Shifting blame from the perpetrator(s) to their victim. What she said. > Or a person who was injured > in the here and now, in an abusive therapy context, > that collegue is covering up. "Shifting blame from the perpetrator(s) to their victim." ~ Linda Yes, agreed again. If a person is in therapy. They are saying, I need help. You are a professional, who is licensed and regulated. I need to feel safe with you. That is a standard premise of pyschotherapy. Life is viscious enough, at times. Let me come here to feel safe, until I am strong. If I belonged to a congregation, a church, I might go there now. But I do not. So I am here, a state-regulated sanctioned profession. Let me trust that I will be safe here. > What she said. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Let me trust that I will be safe here. Betrayal. Compounded by denial the betrayal occurred. Compounded by professionals closing rank to preclude you from prevailing wrt ethics complaint. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > > What she said. > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Grrrrrrrrrrrrr... This is a totally off the wall suggestion. However, have you considered attending the protest in DC on Aug 24? The protest is wrt failure of FDA/DOJ to prosecute the "criminals in white coats" who mass marketed psychotropic drugs in depraved indifference to their adverse side effects. It might be good?? validating??? empowering???? to rub elbows with lot's of people who share your sense of outrage---even if it's for a slightly different reason. Just a thought. >> > Rage turned inward, self-destructon. >> > Rage turned outward, if unable to find outlet, chaotic aggression. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.hopepress.com/html/dysinhibition_syndrome.html Is childish name-calling a tic or an obsession? > >> > Rage turned inward, self-destructon. > >> > Rage turned outward, if unable to find outlet, chaotic aggression. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > Is childish name-calling a tic or an obsession? Are the labels the authors of the DSM give to behavioral phenonemon they observe the result of tics or an obsession? "If the rage is a reaction to external conditions beyond your locus of control---then, it's outrage----not "rage" Sorry to be so nitpicky but, one has to differentiate outrage any reasonable person would feel in certain conditions from pathological rage." ~ Linda "Screaming for your life, losing, screaming louder, Being ignored, pounding on doors, pounding on cars, 4 am, Boston South End ~ No ears ... Rage or outrage?" ~ Twittering "Your locus of Control ~ ? What's that. Your locus, Same as mine ~ ? O, Know ~ I think knot ~ !" ~ Folly > "If the rage is a reaction to external conditions beyond your locus of > control---then, it's outrage----not "rage" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No ears ... People hear you. But, maintain silence owing to the fact that retribution is exacted against persons who break the conspiracy of silence that permits abuse to take place in the first place. .... "Screaming for your life, losing, screaming louder, Being ignored, pounding on doors, pounding on cars, 4 am, Boston South End ~ No ears ..." ~ Twittering "People hear you. But, maintain silence owing to the fact That retribution is exacted against persons Who break the conspiracy of silence That permits abuse to take place In the first place." ~ Linda "O. Too Late." ~ Twittering "What's next ~ ? Call The Ilk of Too ~ !" ~ Folly |
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