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Pheromones, sex
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richardfangnail@excite.com - 06 Aug 2005 17:10 GMT Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth?
MCP - 06 Aug 2005 17:12 GMT > Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? It's a myth idiot,it smells like rotten fish!
Robert A. Fink, M. D. - 06 Aug 2005 20:50 GMT >> Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that >> affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? > >It's a myth idiot,it smells like rotten fish! Wrong. The "rotten fish" odor is present when there is either an illness (infection) or the area is not being kept clean. There is, indeed, a pheromone aspect to the scent of a human female, just as there are similar attractants in the sweat of males.
Best,
Bob
Robert A. Fink, M. D. Neurological Surgery 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA 510-849-2555
********************************** NOTE: The material above is not "medical advice". Medical advice can only be given after an in-person contact between doctor and patient. **********************************
John Schutkeker - 06 Aug 2005 22:55 GMT > There is, > indeed, a pheromone aspect to the scent of a human female, just as > there are similar attractants in the sweat of males. What are the proper chemical names and structure diagrams of these substances?
Robert A. Fink, M. D. - 08 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT >> There is, >> indeed, a pheromone aspect to the scent of a human female, just as >> there are similar attractants in the sweat of males. > >What are the proper chemical names and structure diagrams of these >substances? Afraid that I don't know that. After all, I am only a neurosurgeon
:-) I have read that the substances are present, but I am without the chemical knowledge. Sorry.
VBest,
Bob
Robert A. Fink, M. D. Neurological Surgery 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA 510-849-2555
********************************** NOTE: The material above is not "medical advice". Medical advice can only be given after an in-person contact between doctor and patient. **********************************
John Schutkeker - 08 Aug 2005 21:58 GMT >>> There is, >>> indeed, a pheromone aspect to the scent of a human female, just as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >:-) I have read that the substances are present, but I am without the > chemical knowledge. Sorry. I suspect that nobody knows this, which is why I continue to put this story in the category of wishful rumor. And yes, I know that at least one legitimate study has been published in a reputable journal, saying that the effect has been observed.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 07 Aug 2005 06:51 GMT > >> Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > >> affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wrong. The "rotten fish" odor is present when there is either an > illness (infection) or the area is not being kept clean. COMMENT:
Yep, it's infection. Not necessarily an STD, but usually so (particularly in younger women). And there are multiple implicated bugs, some of them known (trichomonas), and some of them still debated. But they all produce amines, which is what smells "fishy" (salt water fish produce trimethylamine oxide as an osmotic agent), and the infections almost always respond to Flagyl/metronidazole. Usually both partners need to be treated. If a woman has multiple partners, she has to get rid of the amores to get rid of the amines. Congugate that ;) Nobody can stay on metronidazole forever, as it messes with your peripheral nerves.
I was once at a continuing med education session on STDs and heard a (male) expert say that a fishy vulva was more of a "cosmetic" than a "medical" problem. I heard it! I did eye-rolling like Susan Sarandon and heard some faint suppressed groans behind me. But was sitting up front and didn't have the guts to turn around to see who was making them. Too bad. Cowardice. And so now I cannot report.
And since we've arrived at politics, now for a politically-incorrect comment. Avert your eyes, all ye who cannot take such things. Stop reading here. Don't blame me for what comes next, if you don't. STOP.
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If a woman with a fishy vulva is a leftist CANADIAN, and the problem is indeed merely "cosmetic," the academic question for today is this: is metronidazole something she medically NEEDS, or something she merely WANTS? I hear she'll actually be paying more for generic metronidazole than in the US (though in truth it's cheap). But if it's not a medical necessity, SHOULD society pay for it? I believe there should be massive Provincial referrenda to determine this important democratic issue, immediately!
The only spot of cheer here is that metronidazole has long gone off patent, so there won't be any TV commercials urging its use for this cosmetic problem. And you thought the $8 buck a pill Lamasil TOENAIL infection commercials were bad (Do Canadians get Lamasil??). Think what the little wee beasties in a **Flagyl** commercial would be doing. UGGH.
SBH
Robert A. Fink, M. D. - 08 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT >The only spot of cheer here is that metronidazole has long gone off >patent, so there won't be any TV commercials urging its use for this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >SBH The worst thing about Metronidazole (Flagyl) is that it has an Antabuse-like reaction when alcohol is ingested while on Metronidazone, and this reaction can make one feel like a very sick puppy. Thus, one should not ingest *any* alcohol while on Metronidazole.
BTW, the drug (Metronidazole) is used for conditions other than trichmonas. It is also used for amebic dysentery, some anerobic GI tract infections, and in cases of periodontal disease with dental "pockets".
Best,
Bob
Robert A. Fink, M. D. Neurological Surgery 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA 510-849-2555
********************************** NOTE: The material above is not "medical advice". Medical advice can only be given after an in-person contact between doctor and patient. **********************************
Heidi Graw - 06 Aug 2005 23:38 GMT >> Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that >> affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth?
> MCP wrote: > It's a myth idiot,it smells like rotten fish! MCP, if you'd stop your muff-diving into prostitutes who just finished their 12-hour shift f*cking every John who came their way, and actually spent time with non-prostitutes, you'd discover that a woman's pubic area can smell fresh, clean and absolutely exquisite (or at least that's what I've been told by men).
Plus, from what I understand, a man doesn't have to go around smelling pussies to get aroused. Usually just thinking about a gal will cause dickie to spring to attention. ;-)
Heidi
Carey Gregory - 07 Aug 2005 08:24 GMT >MCP, if you'd stop your muff-diving into prostitutes who just finished their >12-hour shift f*cking every John who came their way, and actually spent time >with non-prostitutes, you'd discover that a woman's pubic area can smell >fresh, clean and absolutely exquisite (or at least that's what I've been >told by men). Yep.
My bet would be MCP is a closet homosexual and will be much happier when he comes to accept this.
>Plus, from what I understand, a man doesn't have to go around smelling >pussies to get aroused. Usually just thinking about a gal will cause dickie >to spring to attention. ;-) Exaggeration. It takes the right gal.
MCP - 07 Aug 2005 08:31 GMT > >MCP, if you'd stop your muff-diving into prostitutes who just finished their > >12-hour shift f*cking every John who came their way, and actually spent time [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Exaggeration. It takes the right gal. With a name like "Cary Gregory" there is NO chance you are a CLOSET homo! ;-)
MCP - 07 Aug 2005 08:29 GMT > >> Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > >> affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Try a nose extension Heidi,and sniff your own crotch,you'll soon see what i mean! ;-) Heidi Graw - 07 Aug 2005 09:14 GMT (snip)
>> MCP wrote >> Try a nose extension Heidi,and sniff your own crotch,you'll soon see what >> i mean! ;-) <chuckle> But, truly, MCP, if your sex-partner has a crotch that smells like rotten fish, she's got a vaginal infection of some kind, (perhaps a bacterial imbalance.) If normal soap and water doesn't get rid of the smell, tell her to see her doctor. A healthy crotch should smell similar to almonds (not old racid ones, but the fresh kind.)
Heidi
MCP - 07 Aug 2005 08:33 GMT > >> Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > >> affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > No Proof Offered! claim fails! eli_abet@yahoo.com.au - 07 Aug 2005 10:13 GMT > > Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > > affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? > > It's a myth idiot,it smells like rotten fish! By the sound of this, MCP, you've only ever had sex with women who have thrush or some other vaginal infection.
MCP - 07 Aug 2005 10:34 GMT > > > Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > > > affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > By the sound of this, MCP, you've only ever had sex with women who have > thrush or some other vaginal infection. Naw! when i have sex i just put on my rubber suit,300 -bar diving bottle and mask and away i go!
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 07 Aug 2005 20:08 GMT > Naw! when i have sex i just put on my rubber suit,300 -bar diving bottle and mask and away i go! Dear Muffdiver: You can't be an American, then. Cause 240 bar is the most you can get here legally for SCUBA. Damn DOT transport codes. Firemen and so on run 300 bar, but use different tanks.
SBH
Briar Rabbit - 07 Aug 2005 10:36 GMT >>>Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that >>>affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > By the sound of this, MCP, you've only ever had sex with women who have > thrush or some other vaginal infection. Why would you assume in the plural?
Twittering One - 07 Aug 2005 00:35 GMT Deborah Terreson - 07 Aug 2005 18:16 GMT > Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that > affects mens' sexual desire? Or is it a myth? It's true. The sweat from the crotch carries pheromones that have sexually stimulating qualities.
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