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WHO Warns, Flu Outbreak "like those in 1918 or 1968" possible "at any time"

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Moderate Mammal - 23 Jul 2005 06:28 GMT
Good thing Bush has the border closed. <snort>  Wouldn't want any
nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
bent on destroying the planet along with the mooslums with their
massive production of pollutants, economic thugery and lack of basic
hygiene in the farming, production and cooking of fowl.

--
Keith

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07220501/H5N1_Raging_Pandemic_China.html
(extra 'rumor mill' story I found FWIW if anything)

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050722/1/3tobx.html

Saturday July 23, 2:14 AM
Massive flu outbreak could happen at any moment, WHO warns

" The world could at any time be faced with a massive flu outbreak
like those in 1918 or 1968 that killed tens of millions of people, the
World Health Organization warned, urging countries to be prepared.

"History has told us that no one can stop a pandemic. The question is:
when is it going to happen?" WHO spokeswoman Margaret Chan told
reporters.

"I don't think anybody has the answer to it. We have to be on the
lookout for any time, any day," she added.

Deadly avian influenza, which has killed 55 people in Asia since
resurfacing in 2003, has the potential to become a major human
pandemic if the virus were to mutate and allow human-to-human
transmission, Chan said.

The HN51 strain of bird flu, which has killed hundreds of thousands of
birds, constitutes one of several "warnings from nature" -- the first
since 1968, according to Chan, Hong Kong's director of health from
1994 to 2003.

"We collectively, particularly national authorities, have to take a
very conscientious decision: if you are given early signals and if you
are not prepared, you have a very difficult case to answer if indeed
it happens," she said.

"Our experience is that if you are prepared for a pandemic, you get
less impact in terms of mortality, morbidity, social and economic
disruption."

Chan admitted that preparation for a possible flu pandemic could
divert resources from other health emergencies like the fight against
AIDS or polio, but said such measures would improve the tracking of
life-threatening diseases.

After Indonesia earlier this week announced its first human deaths
from bird flu, and cases were reported in Siberian poultry, Chan
warned that "the scope is getting wider and wider".

The WHO's greatest fear is that human influenza and bird flu could
somehow combine to unleash a pandemic on the world.

"With winter coming, we need to enhance our vigilance," she said.

She reminded countries struck by bird flu to limit contact between
humans and live poultry, as well as contact between different species
in live markets.

Such rules were implemented in Hong Kong when bird flu first appeared
in 1997, and no cases -- either in animals or humans -- have been
reported there since, Chan added.

The expert said the Geneva-based WHO was still awaiting samples taken
from migratory birds in China, 6,000 of which have died in Qinghai
province since May.

Chinese researchers believe the strain afflicting their birds could be
even more deadly than the HN51 strain.

"We have impressed upon them the importance of sharing these
specimens. We will not give up our effort: we owe it to the world,
it's a global health security issue," Chan told reporters. "

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DBM - 23 Jul 2005 06:48 GMT
For news, info and opinions visit the Curevents.com 'Flu Clinic'...

http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=85f7708dbdaf7958b2e098b
49a46ac93&f=40

If above link doesn't work. go to the Forum index and look for 'Flu
Clinic' on the left hand side...

http://www.curevents.com/vb/index.php

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aozotorp@aol.com - 23 Jul 2005 15:08 GMT
with the mooslums with their
> massive production of pollutants, economic thugery and lack of basic
> hygiene in the farming, production and cooking of fowl.
>
> --
> Keith

Your postings have cooked more foul fowl than anyone else!!!
john fernbach - 27 Jul 2005 19:53 GMT
Good post, Coby.

Seriously, our glorious high-speed transporation systems are at least
as big a part of the problem as China's barnyard ducks or anything the
world's Muslims are doing - well, no, let me take that back.

The annual Muslim pilgrimage of "the Haj," the annual descent of
millions of devout Muslims on Mecca, could prove to be a mechanism for
gathering in a super-flu virus from one corner of the world and then
dispersing it again to many others.

But in the meantime, the flu has a great chance to hitch a ride on
hundreds of Western commercial airline flights that crisscross the
planet daily.

China's enormous export business -- and the heavy dependence of the US,
Germany, Japan, Great Britain and most other big economic powers on
global trade -- is another factor that could transfer the flu virus
easily across national borders, as this or other disease agents catch a
ride on global commercial shipping.

How about the US military's far-flung international operations?
According to foreign policy critic Chalmers Johnson, the US now
maintains military bases in more than 90 different countries, and
military personnel are often transferred from one base to another,
called back to the US on leave or for consultations in Washington, etc.

And yes, there is an enormous flow of people, both legal and illegal,
across the US/Mexican border.  All these things in combination make it
more likely that a killer virus that originates in a rural part of
China could move quickly around the planet to strike at targets within
the US.

Thank God for "global free trade" and American "peacekeeping" overseas,
eh?
Coby Beck - 23 Jul 2005 22:18 GMT
> nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
> bent on destroying the planet along with the mooslums with their
> massive production of pollutants, economic thugery and lack of basic
> hygiene in the farming, production and cooking of fowl.

What a wonderful preview of the spin to be spun in a few decades as global
environmental degradation begins to deeply effect lives and economies
everywhere and global climate goes right off the charts and China rivals and
finally dominates US economic power...

Look at the mess we are in!! It is all China's fault!!

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nospam@aol.com - 27 Jul 2005 08:26 GMT
>Good thing Bush has the border closed. <snort>  Wouldn't want any
>nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
>bent on destroying the planet along with the mooslums with their
>massive production of pollutants, economic thugery and lack of basic
>hygiene in the farming, production and cooking of fowl.

And making soft drinks out of garbage.

http://www.cnhaiyang.com/guocu(1).htm
Zerge - 27 Jul 2005 22:30 GMT
> Good thing Bush has the border closed. <snort>  Wouldn't want any
> nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> Keith

Don't be too sure that the pandemic won't start in the US my gringo
friend. Your country is an influenza hotbed. I dread my next trip to
the US :(
Graphic Queen - 27 Jul 2005 23:19 GMT
>> Good thing Bush has the border closed. <snort>  Wouldn't want any
>> nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>friend. Your country is an influenza hotbed. I dread my next trip to
>the US :(

Especially since we have so many illegals and immigrants from third
world countries.
Zerge - 28 Jul 2005 13:51 GMT
> >> Good thing Bush has the border closed. <snort>  Wouldn't want any
> >> nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Especially since we have so many illegals and immigrants from third
> world countries.

Oh no, I'm talking about your home-grown influenza strains. Don't blame
immigrants on this one :)
Strabo - 30 Jul 2005 08:51 GMT
In Re: WHO Warns, Flu Outbreak "like those in 1918 or 1968"
possible "at any time" on 28 Jul 2005 05:51:09 -0700, by Zerge,
we read:

>> >> Good thing Bush has the border closed. <snort>  Wouldn't want any
>> >> nukes or a happy pandemic to slip through. Anyway, since China is hell
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Oh no, I'm talking about your home-grown influenza strains. Don't blame
>immigrants on this one :)

The US doesn't have a home-grown Flu.
Tiny Human Ferret - 30 Jul 2005 13:28 GMT
> In Re: WHO Warns, Flu Outbreak "like those in 1918 or 1968"
> possible "at any time" on 28 Jul 2005 05:51:09 -0700, by Zerge,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> The US doesn't have a home-grown Flu.

Swine flu.

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Pope Secola VI - 30 Jul 2005 13:37 GMT
>> In Re: WHO Warns, Flu Outbreak "like those in 1918 or 1968"
>> possible "at any time" on 28 Jul 2005 05:51:09 -0700, by Zerge,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Swine flu.

Which comes from China!!!!!!!

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Twittering One - 30 Jul 2005 17:25 GMT
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Zerge - 01 Aug 2005 17:27 GMT
> In Re: WHO Warns, Flu Outbreak "like those in 1918 or 1968"
> possible "at any time" on 28 Jul 2005 05:51:09 -0700, by Zerge,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> The US doesn't have a home-grown Flu.

Of course it does. THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of strains. They just don't
have names, that's all.
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