> My girlfriend suffered from Hyponatremia about half hour after a
> mountain biking race. Even though I told the medics that I suspected
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> Regards,
> EF.
I guess that that rules out any contribution by any of the several health
care professionals that frequent this newsgroup. Perhaps one of the
chiropracters will be able to help you out.
Sorry about your girlfriend. I'm glad she's recovering and I hope she
continues to do well.
HMc
electronicfur@yahoo.co.uk - 15 Jul 2005 14:57 GMT
>I guess that that rules out any contribution by any of the several health
>care professionals that frequent this newsgroup. Perhaps one of the
>chiropracters will be able to help you out.
Hi Howard,
Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by that.
I'm basically looking for a second opinion, because the medical
professionals in this case dont seem to know much about Hyponatremia,
think it is not a major problem, and in fact thought the initial
treatment for dehydration was quite satisfactory. Also hoping to see
another doctor for a second opinion, but this takes time, and thought I
might be able to get some advice via the newsgroups.
We'd like to know if there is any short or long term damage, because
she still does not feel 100%, and we'd like to know if there is
something more we should be looking out for.
Regards,
EF
Howard McCollister - 15 Jul 2005 16:46 GMT
> >I guess that that rules out any contribution by any of the several health
>>care professionals that frequent this newsgroup. Perhaps one of the
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> Regards,
> EF
Long term damage is unlikely. Severe hyponatremia can indeed occur with
water intoxication, and if it's severe enough, it can promote seizures,
although it doesn't sound like she got to that point. I can understand your
frustration. Clinically, dehyration in her setting would probably seem more
likely, but a simple set of electrolyte measurement would show a low sodium
concentration. It shouldn't have been a difficult diagnosis, especially
given the history you gave
HMc
> My girlfriend suffered from Hyponatremia about half hour after a
> mountain biking race. Even though I told the medics that I suspected
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> Your help is appreciated, as we are not 100% trusting of the medical
> advice now,
Hyponatremia can result from dehydration and muscle trauma, both possible
after extreme physical exertion, or from taking in too much free water,
which has been reported in athletes drinking a lot of water during an event,
as well as lots of other things. The plasma sodium itself does not tell you
which of these it is. Did they check a urine sodium? A low urine sodium
would be consistent with dehydration/muscle trauma, wheras a high urine
sodium could be from taking in too much free water. Giving her normal
saline would treat both of these things, which is probably what was in her
first IV. It is true that normal saline is a little hypotonic, so
hypertonic "hot salts" are sometimes used, but that would only be necessary
in more extreme cases. Treating severe hyponatremia can be tricky, since
you don't want to correct the sodium level too fast.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 16 Jul 2005 01:23 GMT
> > My girlfriend suffered from Hyponatremia about half hour after a
> > mountain biking race. Even though I told the medics that I suspected
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> in more extreme cases. Treating severe hyponatremia can be tricky, since
> you don't want to correct the sodium level too fast.
COMMENT:
Agree with the above. The key point is there's no such thing as a
"normal IV". There are all kinds of different solutions. If they were
treating her for dehydration (loss of simple water more than salt) they
probably gave her normal saline (since correction of HIGH sodiums too
fast really IS dangerous). So, as med-girl notes, she probably got
fairly appropriate therapy for low sodium water intoxication also.
Normal saline treats everything, so long as your kidneys are working
:).
Water intoxication is common in distance running, and it seems more
common in women and people who take NSAIDS, which foul up ability to
excrete water.
Low sodium can cause brain swelling if it happens very fast, and this
is what probably happened in your case. Too-rapid correction of low
sodiums seems not to be the risk that going the other way, is. It's
true that you don't want to correct any electrolyte too fast, but the
worst brain damage risk is too-rapid correction of HIGH sodium, not
low. Brain cells can stand rapid shinkage from treatment better than
rapid swelling (which is what happens if you correct high sodium too
fast).
My guess is she'll be fine. Probably there wasn't really a medical
error, inasmuch as the docs surely knew that if she wasn't
volume-depleted but instead water intoxicated (as you guessed), saline
would still be (close to) the treatment of choice. If your kidneys
work, your body can always deal with volume overloads better than it
can electrolyte disturbances.
SBH