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Gall Bladder Removal: Downsides?
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(PeteCresswell) - 13 Jul 2005 20:38 GMT Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any downsides to having the gall bladder out.
My last attack put me down for almost two weeks. Aside from hurting a lot, I missed way too much work.
The spiel that I got from the GP and the guy who read the ultrasound is that there will be more attacks in the future and I want to avoid having to have it out in a crisis situation.
The only downside I've heard so far is a limit on how much gluttony I can inflict on myself without paying the price. Personally, I can spin this as a possible longterm benefit.
Anything else I should know?
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 13 Jul 2005 20:46 GMT > Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any > downsides to having the gall bladder out. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Anything else I should know? Hopefully Dr. McCollister will answer. My sense is that there is no real downside other than the minimal surgical and anesthesia risks--certainly when compared to the downside of retaining a chronically diseased gallbladder.
Steve
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Howard McCollister - 13 Jul 2005 23:53 GMT >> Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any >> downsides to having the gall bladder out. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > when compared to the downside of retaining a chronically diseased > gallbladder. Thanks..I agree. No real downside. And the risks of the operation and anesthesia are less than the risks of NOT having it removed.
HMc
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 00:16 GMT > Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any > downsides to having the gall bladder out. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Anything else I should know? Yes. You should know this may be another adverse effect of the statin you take to prevent disease. Statins have potential to cause gall bladder disease, helicobactor pylori ulcer, acid reflux, pancreatitis and more (if we restrict our list to gastrointestinal). Our previous list included testosterone depletion and ED.
I think the risk/benefit scale for your PREVENTIVE use of simvastatin may need re-evaluating.
Dr. McCollister?
Zee
Howard McCollister - 14 Jul 2005 00:31 GMT >> Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any >> downsides to having the gall bladder out. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Dr. McCollister? I must have missed the part where the OP said he was taking simvastatin?
HMc
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 00:37 GMT > >> Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any > >> downsides to having the gall bladder out. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > HMc It's in another thread. This is the problem with statin injury: the adverse effects are considered as individual conditons, rather than as part of a syndrome.
Zee
Howard McCollister - 14 Jul 2005 01:26 GMT >> I must have missed the part where the OP said he was taking simvastatin? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > adverse effects are considered as individual conditons, rather than as > part of a syndrome. I have no opinion on the use of statins. I don't take them, I don't prescribe them. Such non-surgical treatment is well outside the paradigm by which I treat disease and I know about as much about that class of drugs as a typical Internist or Family Practicioner knows about gallbladder surgery (very, very little).
I do know that the "gallbladder disease" that statins might cause is gallstones - statins do not cause primary gallbladder disease. How the OP got his gallstones is irrelevant. Now he's got them, they're symptomatic, and his gallbladder needs to be removed. Stopping simvastatin will have no bearing on what happens to his gallbladder from now on - the damage is done.
Note that this does not imply that I think that his gallstones were caused by statins. In the sum total of gallbladder disease around the world, the contribution of that class of drugs to that surgical problem is minor.
HMc
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 01:49 GMT > >> I must have missed the part where the OP said he was taking simvastatin? > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I do know that the "gallbladder disease" that statins might cause is > gallstones - statins do not cause primary gallbladder disease. If gallstones are not gallblader disease then I don't know what is. It seems to me to be splitting hairs not to call them part and parcel of gall bladder disease. Especially since the organ you are going to remove to cure the patient of gall stones is the gall bladder. But fine....
How the OP
> got his gallstones is irrelevant. Now he's got them, they're symptomatic, > and his gallbladder needs to be removed. Stopping simvastatin will have no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > by statins. In the sum total of gallbladder disease around the world, the > contribution of that class of drugs to that surgical problem is minor. Yes. And...as far as you know re physician voluntary reporting of adverse events which is estimated to be, for all adverse event reporting, 1-10 per cent--conservative estimate.
Zee
> HMc Howard McCollister - 14 Jul 2005 03:17 GMT > If gallstones are not gallblader disease then I don't know what is. It > seems to me to be splitting hairs not to call them part and parcel of > gall bladder disease. Especially since the organ you are going to > remove to cure the patient of gall stones is the gall bladder. But > fine.... Many, many people have gallstones and have no symptoms, ie..the gallstones cause no "disease". Furthermore, gallstones are not necessary for gallbladder disease. Acalculous cholecyctitis and biliary dyskinesia are also both aspects of gallbladder disease. The point of cholecystectomy is not to "cure" the patient of gallstones, but to "cure" the patient of gallbladder disease. The two are not the same.
> Yes. And...as far as you know re physician voluntary reporting of > adverse events which is estimated to be, for all adverse event > reporting, 1-10 per cent--conservative estimate. Since when does gallstone formation represent a reportable disease? Gallbladder disease has been one of the most common of human afflictions since long before the discovery of statins. Your suggestion that gallstones are an "adverse event" subject to some kind of reporting is kind of silly. Gallstone formation in association with statins has been studied and is acknowledged by all of the companies that manufacture them. Fortunately, there is a relatively safe and permanent cure for that particular side effect if it should indeed occur.
There may be reasons why statins are bad, I don't know. But gallbladder disease has to be pretty far down the list.
HMc
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 05:08 GMT Not if you are one of the people who has gall bladder "disease" (my words) concurrently with pancreatitis, acid reflux, hiatal hernia, helicobactor pylori ulcer and the panoply of statin syndrome symptoms, which recede in most when they stop statins, but lare documented ot linger in some four and six years after stopping.
Dr. Beatrice Golomb P.I. UCSD Statin Study statinstudy@ucsd.edu http://medicine.ucsd.edu/SES/index.htm
Dr. Paul S. Phillips Head, Inteventional Cardiology Scripps Mercy Hospital San Diego http://impostertrial.com/physician/htm (Is Myopathy Part of Statin Therapy?)
Drs. Tarnopolsky and Baker McMaster University Hamilton Ontario The Neuromyotoxicity of Statins 1: Muscle Nerve. 2005 May;31(5):572-80. Molecular clues into the pathogenesis of statin-mediated muscle toxicity.
Baker SK.
Division of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Department of Medicine, McMaster University, McMaster University Medical Center, Room 4U4, Hamilton, Ontario, L8N 3Z5, Canada. bakersjj@hotmail.com
The pathophysiology of statin-mediated muscle dysfunction is poorly defined. Reductions in skeletal muscle membrane cholesterol were initially thought to account for the range of myopathic reactions, e.g., myalgia, elevated serum creatine kinase, or rhabdomyolysis. This assumption however, does not consider a potential role of the isoprenoids in the pathophysiology of statin myopathy. The observation that derangements in mevalonate kinase (MK), but not more distal enzymes of cholesterologenesis, are associated with a skeletal myopathy suggests a critical role for the isoprenoids in the maintenance of muscle. Statins also deplete the isoprenoid pool by inhibiting the enzyme, beta-hydroxy-beta-methylglutaryl coenzyme A reductase, which is upstream of MK. Identifying candidate proteins that are both dependent on isoprenoid-mediated modification and associated with muscle disease, when genetically mutated, offers further insight into potential mechanisms of statin myopathy. For example, lamin A/C, selenoprotein N, alpha- and beta-dystroglycan, and cytoskeletal G-proteins all require isoprenylation for optimal function. Understanding the pleiotropic effects of protein prenylation, and the potential consequences of a generalized insufficiency of this form of protein modification, may help clarify the molecular pathogenesis of statin myopathy.
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PMID: 15712281 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 05:20 GMT But most of all the point I am trying to make to you is; it couldn't hurt, could it, for you to ask your potential gall bladder surgery patient if they are taking a statin, and make a note of that in that chart?
At the very least...
So that maybe someday someone's going to put 2 and 2 together here.
Because yes, you are on the scene for the curative (?) surgery. Primarily. But not only. You are a physician, and can comment on how many patients you are seeing who are on statins. Unless of course, you don't think that's a bad thing.
Zee
> > If gallstones are not gallblader disease then I don't know what is. It > > seems to me to be splitting hairs not to call them part and parcel of [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > HMc Howard McCollister - 14 Jul 2005 13:40 GMT > But most of all the point I am trying to make to you is; it couldn't > hurt, could it, for you to ask your potential gall bladder surgery [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > many patients you are seeing who are on statins. Unless of course, you > don't think that's a bad thing. That data is already there, in the chart, just waiting for somebody to do a retrospective study. I routinely note a patient's current medications in every consult I do. But, that study has already been done, and the correlation has already been made. Statins can contribute to gallstone formation - we know this. It's just that current thinking is that the upside of statins outweighs the downside of gallstone formation.
HMc
outrider - 06 Aug 2005 19:54 GMT http://www.joplink.net/prev/20 0507/11.html
Full text available free, a letter to the editor
JOP. J Pancreas (Online) 2005; 6(4):380.
Drug Induced Pancreatitis Might Be a Class Effect of Statin Drugs
Sonal Singh
"Clinicians need to be aware that drug induced pancreatitis might be a class effect of statin drugs and the newest statin, rosuvastatin is as likely to be associated with pancreatitis as the other statins."
Evidence and Citations
Keywords Anticholesteremic Agents; Pancreatitis; Poisoning; Salicylates
References
1.. Antonopoulos S, Mikros S, Kokkoris S, Protopsaltis J, Filioti K, Karamanolis D, Giannoulis G. A case of acute pancreatitis possibly associated with combined salicylate and simvastatin treatment. JOP. J Pancreas (Online) 2005; 6:264-8.
2.. Singh S, Nautiyal A, Dolan JG. Recurrent acute pancreatitis possibly induced by atorvastatin and rosuvastatin. Is statin induced pancreatitis a class effect? JOP. J Pancreas (Online) 2004; 5:502-4.
3.. AstraZeneca. Rosuvastatin product information. AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals LP 08/2003.
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> > But most of all the point I am trying to make to you is; it couldn't > > hurt, could it, for you to ask your potential gall bladder surgery [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > HMc Carey Gregory - 07 Aug 2005 08:13 GMT >Drug Induced Pancreatitis Might Be a Class Effect of Statin Drugs Zee, you've almost convinced me to killfile anything with "statin" in the subject line. What is it with you and statins, anyway? Do you spend your entire day searching for every possible negative mention of this subject? You seem... obsessed.
outrider - 07 Aug 2005 09:16 GMT > >Drug Induced Pancreatitis Might Be a Class Effect of Statin Drugs > > Zee, you've almost convinced me to killfile anything with "statin" in the > subject line. What is it with you and statins, anyway? Do you spend > your entire day searching for every possible negative mention of this > subject? You seem... obsessed. This is the latest study on a statins' adverse effect McCollister and I have talked about for two or three threads over the past year. You'll notice I dropped the study onto his last post.
Hope you have a quiet night.
Zee
Carey Gregory - 08 Aug 2005 07:34 GMT >This is the latest study on a statins' adverse effect McCollister and I >have talked about for two or three threads over the past year. You'll >notice I dropped the study onto his last post. Two or three threads? Google yourself on this subject.
outrider - 08 Aug 2005 16:36 GMT > >This is the latest study on a statins' adverse effect McCollister and I > >have talked about for two or three threads over the past year. You'll > >notice I dropped the study onto his last post. > > Two or three threads? Google yourself on this subject. Two or three threads with McCollister on the topic of statin induced gall bladder disease and pancreatitis.
You'd be happier if you kill filed me. Do it.
(PeteCresswell) - 14 Jul 2005 03:32 GMT Per outrider:
>I think the risk/benefit scale for your PREVENTIVE use of simvastatin >may need re-evaluating. I'm not in love with the idea of taking any longterm medication. But until somebody shows me another way to get my total cholesterol down to 150 from 258 and raise my HDL from 41 to 50, I'd have to look at President Clinton's experience and stay on the stuff.
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Jeff - 16 Jul 2005 01:37 GMT > Per outrider: >>I think the risk/benefit scale for your PREVENTIVE use of simvastatin [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and raise my HDL from 41 to 50, I'd have to look at President Clinton's > experience and stay on the stuff. Diet and excercise can help. You should talk with your doctor about this.
Jeff
(PeteCresswell) - 14 Jul 2005 03:36 GMT Per outrider:
>your PREVENTIVE use of simvastatin Maybe this is too fine a semantic point, but imaging of my ticker reveals significant occlusion of various coronary ateries. "Not *too* bad for somebody your age..." was in the evaluator's comments...but considering that my brother didn't make it to 45...
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outrider - 14 Jul 2005 00:45 GMT Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other threads it has gone beyond a bit of inconvenience. You may push yourself into rhabdomyolysis. You should also know that statins can cause a type of cardiomyopathy. All statins deplete coenxyme q10. That is fact. What we don't know is if taking coq10 orally will replenish the depletion. And that is why it's so important to recognize what's happening to you before it's irretrevable.
You have an 86 page pdf given to you to help you and your physician make informed decisions.
I strongly urge you to read the histopathology section here as well:
http://www.impostertrial.com/physicians.htm (Is Myopathy Part of Statin Therapy?)
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 00:51 GMT http://www.impostertrial.com/physician.htm
How to Treat Patients with Hypercholesterolemia Who Can't Take Statin Therapy
We see many patients who have already suffered statin induced rhabdomyolysis or who have suspected statin associated myopathy with normal CK. Many of these patients have biopsy proven myopathy. Some have less certain diagnoses because of typical symptoms or marked improvement during a two week trial off of statins. For each of theses patients, the decision about how best to treat their hyperlipidemia is based on the balance between how important it is to lower their plasma lipids and how certain the diagnosis of statin associated myopathy is. At one extreme are patients whose statin therapy was based on elevated lipid levels in a low risk individual (primary prevention) and who may have a solid diagnosis of statin induced myopathy by biopsy. These patients are told to remain off of statins and depending on the severity of their lipid disorder we may recommend some combination of the therapies below. At the other extreme are high risk individuals, e.g. post myocardial infraction with diabetes, in whom the suspicion of statin associated myopathy is less certain. Barring pathological evidence of myopathy or severe weakness we usually continue these patients on a reduced dose of statin therapy in combination with some of the therapies described below.
No matter where the patient falls on the spectrum of atherosclerotic risk vs. certainty of myopathic diagnosis, we explain the uncertainties and give them this hand out so that they can participate in the treatment plan (patient handout).
The therapeutic options which we offer to patients with hyperlipidemia who can not take statins include:
1. Low Fat Diet
The best low fat diets are also high in viscous fiber and in plant sterols. The best tested of these diets, known as the Portfolio Diet uses additional dietary options to increase the effectiveness of a diet already consisting of reduced saturated fats and dietary cholesterol. This diet conforms to the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) Adult Treatment Panel III recommendations. In clinical trials, the Portfolio Diet reduced LDL Cholesterol levels up to 29% comparable to some statin therapies. The main components of the Portfolio Diet are summarized here:
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this is a vegetarian diet *
margarine enriched in plant sterol esters is used daily *
10 grams of viscous fiber daily per 1000 calories of diet consumed: oats, barley and psyllium (Metamucil) *
okra and eggplant are included as vegetable sources of viscous fiber, with 100 and 200 grams of these vegetables on alternate days *
21.4 grams of soy protein daily per 1000 calories consumed: soy milk, soy meat alternatives *
14 grams of whole almonds daily per 1000 calories consumed
A typical day's diet is formatted in the "Further Reading" section below.
2. Mediterranean Diet 3. Exercise 4. Resins and Cholesterol Absorbing Drugs:
Brand Name Generic Name WelChol colesevelam Questran cholestyramine Colestid colestipol
5. Non-statin Cholesterol Lowering Drugs
Brand Name Generic Name (n/a) niacin* Lopid gemfibrozil Tricor fenofibrate Zetia ezetimibe
* niacin is available in multiple slow release formulations
We have discovered that over half of patients who are intolerant of statins have muscle side effects on these other cholesterol lowering drugs as well. Despite the fact that some of these drugs are marketed as a safe alternative for patients where statin muscle toxicity is a concern, they have not been tested in this patient group. We have now published our experience with a high incidence of ezetimibe causing muscle symptoms in patients with previously diagnosed statin muscle toxicity and a report of ezetimibe monotherapy causing myopathy is in review. Our preference as of 2005 is to proceed with resin therapy as the first alternative lipid-lowering option in any patient who is statin intolerant.
6. Plant Stanols and Sterols 2 grams a day at lunch are advised (see 1. above)
7. Policosinol (an aliphatic alcohol made from sugar cane wax with HMG-CoA reductase properties and no described myopathy). This neutraceutical is not regulated by the FDA and has been tested and used in Cuba. Available data are tabulated and referenced on the policosanol page. There is also a patient information sheet available on the join a study page. We have completed a preliminary study of 25 patients with prior statin intolerance using a U.S. source of policosanol (Greco T, 2003 pending publication). While there was no myopathy in this indicator patient group, the U.S. formulation did not lower cholesterol levels as the Cuban formulations have. Thus we advise caution before recommending this unregulated neutraceutical.
8. Red yeast rice This product is included in a number of neutraceuticals which have been banned by the FDA. They contain active statin and have been associated with both myopathy and rhabdomyolysis. These products are dangerous in patients with prior reactions to statins.
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(PeteCresswell) - 14 Jul 2005 03:44 GMT Per outrider:
>Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other >threads it has gone beyond a bit of inconvenience. It sounds like somebody thinks I'm "statin-intolerant". Have I got that part right?
If so, based on what? Gallstones? Low testosterone?
It's anecdotal, but I think I know quite a few people who have had gallstones but never been on a statin - not to mention occurrances of the condition throughout history.
As far as low testosterone goes, unfortunately I do not have a base line from youth or before beginning Zocor. But all my life I have had abnormally small testicles. Never seemed to slow me down any... but now with advancing age, couldn't one just pass it off on general loss of function? I'd suspect that no organ, gland, muscle, or whatever in my bod is performing with anything like the efficiency it did in youth - or even middle age - and is probably deteriorating steadily and normally.
i.e. maybe one needs a certain minimum hormone level and symptoms like fatigue et. al. don't appear until one's level falls below that minimum - and if the glands are marginal to begin with, one might fall below that minimum as a normal part of the aging process.
If it sounds like I'm fighting this, you're right. You're talking beeeeeg ideas here....flying in the face of my little frog-in-the-well view of the scientific/medical establishment.... so I'd say it's deserving of some critical thought on my part before accepting anything.
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outrider - 14 Jul 2005 02:05 GMT > Per outrider: > >Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > PeteCresswell I suggest posting different posts for different symptoms is getting you nowhere. You may indeed have an genetic intolerance to them. You may just be one of the ones whose coeznmye q10 has bottomed out, taking your testosterone with it. (It's connected).
You'd do better to spend an hour on that PDF I gave you. It might save your life. Almost all references there are from Medline. Studies showing statins do what you have complained about, in a cluster side effect pattern.
It is indeed deserving of some thought on your part.
Zee
Zee
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 14 Jul 2005 14:26 GMT >Per outrider: >>Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other >>threads it has gone beyond a bit of inconvenience. > >It sounds like somebody thinks I'm "statin-intolerant". Have I got that part >right? sci.med seems to attract one trick ponies. Over the years, according to various individual posters, we've been told that the sole cause of every ill of mankind is (1) excess iron intake (2) insufficient magnesium (3) celiac disease (4) too much DHEA (5) obstetricians (6) vaccines (7) aspartame (8) milk (9) soybeans (10) bad vibrations from other people who take antidepressants (11) cell phone towers (12) fluoride (13) canola oil and any number of other monomaniac theories that I can't recall on the spot.
Right now we have someone who is so convinced that every ill is due to statin consumption that she's claimed that the problems of a Christian Scientist who has long refused all drugs and other medical care for religious reasons must be due to side effects of statins.
Like most drugs, and indeed most things in life, statins have risks as well as benefits, and both risks and benefits will depend on the individual. Of course, it being an imperfect world, the exact values of the risks and benefits of statins are not available, so as with most things in life, decisions have to be made as well as possible under uncertainty. It's up to you, with the assistance of your doctor, to determine whether taking statins is better for you overall than not taking them. It sounds like you've made a reasonable decision, and you should be careful about taking advice of people whose qualifications you have no way of evaluating, who have an agenda, and who present information in a biased and skewed manner.
Howard McCollister - 14 Jul 2005 14:47 GMT >>Per outrider: >>>Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > fluoride (13) canola oil and any number of other monomaniac theories > that I can't recall on the spot. Circumcision.....
HMc
REP - 14 Jul 2005 14:58 GMT > >>Per outrider: > >>>Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Circumcision..... Not following a 2 p0und diet...
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outrider - 15 Jul 2005 04:14 GMT > >>Per outrider: > >>>Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > HMc Oh cut it out.
Zee
outrider - 14 Jul 2005 18:05 GMT All information I have given the poster about the documented adverse effects of the class of drugs he is taking is from MEDLINE. If you disagree with the findings of these studies, I suggest you write your concerns to the FDA and Merck (the manufacturer of Simvastatin). If ignored the symptoms the poster is complaining about can lead to rhabdomyolysis. That too is documented.
What you are doing is not helpful.
Zee
> >Per outrider: > >>Statin injury can kill. With what you have described here and on other [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > you have no way of evaluating, who have an agenda, and who present > information in a biased and skewed manner. Happy Dog - 14 Jul 2005 18:37 GMT <bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in
> sci.med seems to attract one trick ponies. Over the years, according > to various individual posters, we've been told that the sole cause of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fluoride (13) canola oil and any number of other monomaniac theories > that I can't recall on the spot. Let's not forget the gubmint.
> Like most drugs, and indeed most things in life, statins have risks as > well as benefits, and both risks and benefits will depend on the > individual. Of course, it being an imperfect world, the exact values > of the risks and benefits of statins are not available, so as with most > things in life, decisions have to be made as well as possible under > uncertainty. However, in this case, all responsibility rests with someone you can whine to and who will *pay* for every service and take responsibility for every mistake. When you've reached that point, it becomes impossible to see the world as a place where personal responsibility has much use. In fact, it's to be frowned upon in the same way that many unions frown upon anyone who sets standards or goals above the minimum necessary. All problems have one cause. All problems have one solution. And thinking doesn't much enter into it.
moo
Howard Homler - 14 Jul 2005 07:22 GMT >Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any >downsides to having the gall bladder out. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Anything else I should know? I had mine out and can't tell the difference except that the pain is gone! :-) H2
(PeteCresswell) - 07 Aug 2005 01:13 GMT Per Howard Homler:
>I had mine out and can't tell the difference except that the pain is >gone! Do you recall how long it was before you felt comfortable driving a car (perception/coordination-wise) and how long before you resumed work?
I had mine done on 8/2 and have been telling my clients/collegues that I'd be back this Monday. At the moment this seems tb a bit over-optimistic...
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Jeff - 16 Jul 2005 01:34 GMT > Aside, of course, from the inescapable risks of anesthesia, are there any > downsides to having the gall bladder out. Death, injury to the liver and digestive track, the recover from the surgery, the cost.
> My last attack put me down for almost two weeks. Aside from hurting a > lot, I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > as a > possible longterm benefit. I think this is a totally seperate issue. If you like having a pulse, you will get your gluttony under control now. If you are overweight, the more weight you lose, the better. Also, increasing the amount of excercise, under the care of your doctor, will help your recovery.
Jeff
> Anything else I should know?
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