Supplemental Testosterone > 10 Years, No Ill Effects?

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(PeteCresswell) - 12 Jul 2005 22:33 GMT

A couple of years ago, my testosterone level dropped to around 400 (dunno what
the units are.... but the doc says 500-600 is closer to normal).

Fatigue, loss of libido, diminished mental acuity, and a general feeling of
being *really* old.

Coincident with going on Zocor? Concident with use of Proscar? Not too sure,
as I don't have exact dates.

I am aware that Proscar is something of a testosterone antigonist, and
discontinued same in hopes of reversing the T level.

Zocor? No way I can see of getting off the stuff. My brother didn't make it
to 45. I don't have exactly the same genetic package that he had, but it seems
tb close.

To cut to the chase, my doc put me on transdermal testosterone - which reversed
all of my perceived symptoms; but introduced one of it's own - testicular
shrinkage. Mine were already about a "3" or a "4" on a scale of 1-10 -
probably damaged at sometime in my life per the doc. I suspect an obese
childhood. Anyhow, after being on the supplement they shrank to what the doc
calls a "2".

This can't be a good thing, and I've been playing around with the dose - trying
to find some level of supplement that my regulatory system (pituitary gland?)
thinks is normal for me so that the testis aren't inhibited.

I seem to have had some success in this regard, but remain leery of using this
stuff longterm - in spite of the obvious benefits.

The bottom line: has anybody in the NG been on testosterone suppliments for a
significant period of time with no adverse effects? Let's say 10 years...

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outrider - 13 Jul 2005 01:48 GMT

> A couple of years ago, my testosterone level dropped to around 400 (dunno what
> the units are.... but the doc says 500-600 is closer to normal).
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> Coincident with going on Zocor?

Many men who have taken statins think so. On three statin chat groups
reports of lowered testosterone, ED, and lagging libido abound. Wonder
why so many men are taking Viagra et al? Could it be because so many
men are taking statins?

Search on your statin side effect here in the 86 page PDF of medical
studies on statin adverse effects. Page 36 is ED.

Unless you have cardiovascular disease there is no evidence statins
will prevent it. Do statins have a role in primary prevention? In a
word: NO.
http://www.ti.ubc.ca/pages/letter48.htm
"If cardiovascular serious adverse events are viewed in isolation, 71
primary prevention patients with cardiovascular risk factors have to be
treated with a statin for 3 to 5 years to prevent one myocardial
infarction or stroke.
This cardiovascular benefit is not reflected in 2 measures of overall
health impact, total mortality and total serious adverse events.
Therefore, statins have not been shown to provide an overall health
benefit in primary prevention trials."

There is no free lunch with drugs. You can't just keep taking one to
fix what the previous one caused. Some things may be unfixable; like
mitochondrial myopathy, permanent vision damage, peripheral neuropathy,
transient global amnesia, memory loss, aphasia... .

http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/StatinFAQ_031305wTOCv4.pdf

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Concident with use of Proscar? Not too sure,

> as I don't have exact dates.
>
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> The bottom line: has anybody in the NG been on testosterone suppliments for a
> significant period of time with no adverse effects? Let's say 10 years...

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WhyDoYouWantToKnow@Incorrect.gov - 13 Jul 2005 05:04 GMT

>A couple of years ago, my testosterone level dropped to around 400 (dunno what
>the units are.... but the doc says 500-600 is closer to normal).

>Fatigue, loss of libido, diminished mental acuity, and a general feeling of
>being *really* old.

>Coincident with going on Zocor? Concident with use of Proscar? Not too sure,
>as I don't have exact dates.

>I am aware that Proscar is something of a testosterone antigonist, and
>discontinued same in hopes of reversing the T level.

>Zocor? No way I can see of getting off the stuff. My brother didn't make it
>to 45. I don't have exactly the same genetic package that he had, but it seems
>tb close.

>To cut to the chase, my doc put me on transdermal testosterone - which reversed
>all of my perceived symptoms; but introduced one of it's own - testicular
>shrinkage. Mine were already about a "3" or a "4" on a scale of 1-10 -
>probably damaged at sometime in my life per the doc. I suspect an obese
>childhood. Anyhow, after being on the supplement they shrank to what the doc
>calls a "2".

>This can't be a good thing, and I've been playing around with the dose - trying
>to find some level of supplement that my regulatory system (pituitary gland?)
>thinks is normal for me so that the testis aren't inhibited.

>I seem to have had some success in this regard, but remain leery of using this
>stuff longterm - in spite of the obvious benefits.

>The bottom line: has anybody in the NG been on testosterone suppliments for a
>significant period of time with no adverse effects? Let's say 10 years...

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