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Jim Spriggs - 12 Jul 2005 02:56 GMT
Is all blood donated in the UK tested for infectious agents such as HIV?

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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 12 Jul 2005 05:25 GMT
> Is all blood donated in the UK tested for infectious agents such as HIV?
>
> Tia

COMMENT:

Are you mad, man? The Public Health Service doesn't have that kind of
money. They collect blood only from little old ladies feeding pigeons
in Hyde Park, and hope for the best.

SBH

PS. In Germany they have the money, but the germ theory of disease
still competes with ideas from Natural Hygeine. So they might might
test blood either.
Tim Fitzmaurice - 13 Jul 2005 08:15 GMT
>> Is all blood donated in the UK tested for infectious agents such as HIV?
>>
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> money. They collect blood only from little old ladies feeding pigeons
> in Hyde Park, and hope for the best.

????

As the blood service's webpages clearly state they take a test sample from
every donor every time they donate, so every unit gets a test for a
number of agents.

http://www.blood.co.uk/pdfdocs/tests_on.pdf gives a list.

Tim
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 13 Jul 2005 23:47 GMT
Thanks for sharing that. I would have thought the Hyde Park reference
would clearly label it as facetious, as no doubt the original troll
was.

Back in 1983 when it had become clear that AIDS was spread in the blood
supply and that the infected donors were almost entirely younger males,
but the causal agent was still not quite known and there was no
commercial blood test, I seriously suggested that my hospital solicit
for, and accept donations from, only women over the age of 65.

This was greated by great derrision on the part of the blood bank
pathology people, who made liberal egalitarian noises to the effect
that I was suggesting *age and gender PROFILING.*  Why, the very idea.
However, had they accepted my proposals, they would have saved a few
lives in Long Beach, California.

"Well," I remember asking reasonably, "if you won't accept blood only
from women, how about at least asking men some questions about their
sex lives, and turn down blood from men who admit homosexual activity?"

More shock and more outrage that I might now want to be profiling
donors by their *sexual orientation.* Even worse!  So they refused to
do that, either.

Noadays, of course, we do the question part routinely. But only after
we got permission to do from the AUTHORITIES.  Before that, nobody
would bring themselves to just DO it on their own. They had to be given
permission.

Damn, some people are stupid. Pathologists aren't immune.

SBH
Tim Fitzmaurice - 14 Jul 2005 08:05 GMT
> Thanks for sharing that. I would have thought the Hyde Park reference
> would clearly label it as facetious, as no doubt the original troll
> was.

Well, the line of ??? was there to give some indication that I wasn't
entirely 100% sure of how your response stood before I gave an answer.  It
certainly wasnt clear which way your answer stood in seriousness, one way
or the other, Hyde Park came over as flippant but hard to tell one
way or the other as to whether the first part of the answer was serious or
not. The original question seems perfectly valid - the Blood Transfusion
service goes to great lengths to tell you just how much testing is done on
the UK blood supply so it is presumably a reasonably high marker on any
FAQ scale....its certainly one I've heard asked in assorted contexts by
perfectly serious people.

Tim
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 13 Jul 2005 23:50 GMT
Thanks for sharing that. I would have thought the Hyde Park reference
would clearly label it as facetious, as no doubt the original troll
was.

Back in 1983 when it had become clear that AIDS was spread in the blood
supply and that the infected donors were almost entirely younger males,
but the causal agent was still not quite known and there was no
commercial blood test, I seriously suggested that my hospital solicit
for, and accept donations from, only women over the age of 65.

This was greated by great derrision on the part of the blood bank
pathology people, who made liberal egalitarian noises to the effect
that I was suggesting *age and gender PROFILING.*  Why, the very idea.
However, had they accepted my proposals, they would have saved a few
lives in Long Beach, California.

"Well," I remember asking reasonably, "if you won't accept blood only
from women, how about at least asking men some questions about their
sex lives, and turn down blood from men who admit homosexual activity?"

More shock and more outrage that I might now want to be profiling
donors by their *sexual orientation.* Even worse!  So they refused to
do that, either.

Noadays, of course, we do the question part routinely. But only after
we got permission to do it from the AUTHORITIES.  Before that, nobody
would bring themselves to just DO it on their own. They had to be given
permission.

Damn, some people are stupid. Pathologists aren't immune.

SBH
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 12 Jul 2005 15:13 GMT
>Is all blood donated in the UK tested for infectious agents such as HIV?

A google search on UK and "blood donation" gives the following link:
    www.blood.co.uk
the National Blood Service, and the following link about blood donation
from the NHS:
    www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.asp?TopicID=751

There are 68,000+ more links.

The short answer is yes, blood is tested for HIV and a number of other
diseases.  Unfortunately, not all diseases have tests, vCJD among them.
Note that there's a period between the time a person is infected with
HIV and the time the test becomes positive, so if you suspect you may
have been infected, you could kill the recipient of your blood.  If you
want a HIV test, get it by other means. Your public health people can
probably provide anonymous testing.

Substantial efforts are made to screen donors.  The risk of acquiring
an infection from receiving a transfusion is very low, but it can never
be zero.
 
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