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does drinking more milk increase rates of hip fractures?
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outrider - 22 Jun 2005 07:41 GMT I have been told that when you evaluate the top vs the bottom quintile for milk consumption among women, the former had the highest rate of hip fractures, and the latter the lowest. True?
The study for men found no difference; however it appears they didn't consider the chocolate cake factor.
Zee
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Am J Public Health. 1997 Jun;87(6):992-7. Related Articles, Links
Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study.
Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA.
Channing Laboratory, Boston, Mass. 02115, USA.
OBJECTIVES: This study examined whether higher intakes of milk and other calcium-rich foods during adult years can reduce the risk of osteoporotic fractures. METHODS: This was a 12-year prospective study among 77761 women, aged 34 through 59 years in 1980, who had never used calcium supplements. Dietary intake was assessed with a food-frequency questionnaire in 1980, 1984, and 1986. Fractures of the proximal femur (n = 133) and distal radius (n = 1046) from low or moderate trauma were self-reported on biennial questionnaires. RESULTS: We found no evidence that higher intakes of milk or calcium from food sources reduce fracture incidence. Women who drank two or more glasses of milk per day had relative risks of 1.45 for hip fracture (95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.87, 2.43) and 1.05 for forearm fracture (95% CI = 0.88, 1.25) when compared with women consuming one glass or less per week. Likewise, higher intakes of total dietary calcium or calcium from dairy foods were not associated with decreased risk of hip or forearm fracture.
CONCLUSIONS: These data do not support the hypothesis that higher consumption of milk or other food sources of calcium by adult women protects against hip or forearm fractures.
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Here is a similar study for men -- no difference one way or the other, apparently. Zee
J Nutr. 1997 Sep;127(9):1782-7. Related Articles, Links
Calcium intake and the incidence of forearm and hip fractures among men.
Owusu W, Willett WC, Feskanich D, Ascherio A, Spiegelman D, Colditz GA.
Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston MA 02115, USA.
High calcium intakes are thought to be associated with strong bones and lower risk of fractures. However, findings from epidemiologic studies have not been consistent. In addition, the vast majority of such studies were conducted among women, leading to a relative lack of data concerning men. The objective of this study therefore was to investigate the relation between adult calcium intake and risk of fractures among men in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study (HPFS).
During 331,234 person-years of follow-up over an 8-y period, 201 forearm and 56 hip fractures due to low or moderate trauma were reported among 43,063 men 40-75 y of age in 1986 when they first completed a questionnaire about diet and lifestyle factors.
After controlling for age, smoking status, body mass index (BMI), physical activity, alcohol consumption and total energy intake, the relative risk (RR) of forearm fractures for men in the highest quintile of calcium intake (from foods plus supplements) compared with those in the lowest quintile was 0.98 [95% confidence interval (CI) = 0.59-1.61; P for trend = 0.78]; for hip fractures, the comparable RR was 1.19 (95% CI = 0.42-3.35; P for trend = 0.58).
Relative risks for consuming >2.5 glasses (600 mL) of milk per day compared with one (240 mL) or fewer per week were 1.06 (95% CI = 0.69-1.62; P for trend = 0.82) for forearm fractures and 0.97 (95% CI = 0.39-2.42; P for trend = 0.56) for hip fractures.
In conclusion, these results do not support a relation between calcium intake and the incidence of forearm or hip fractures in men.
Juhana Harju - 22 Jun 2005 07:55 GMT :: I have been told that when you evaluate the top vs the bottom :: quintile for milk consumption among women, the former had the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] :: In conclusion, these results do not support a relation between :: calcium intake and the incidence of forearm or hip fractures in men. Sufficient *sunlight* exposure or supplemental *vitamin D is much more* *important* in the prevention of fractures than calcium. This is a later study by Harvard:
Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Feb;77(2):504-11. Related Articles, Links
Calcium, vitamin D, milk consumption, and hip fractures: a prospective study among postmenopausal women.
Feskanich D, Willett WC, Colditz GA.
Channing Laboratory, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02115, USA.
BACKGROUND: Short trials of calcium supplementation show that it reduces loss of bone density in postmenopausal women; longer observational studies do not generally find a lower risk of hip fracture with higher-calcium diets. Fewer studies have focused on vitamin D in preventing postmenopausal osteoporosis or fractures. OBJECTIVE: We assessed relations between postmenopausal hip fracture risk and calcium, vitamin D, and milk consumption. DESIGN: In an 18-y prospective analysis in 72 337 postmenopausal women, dietary intake and nutritional supplement use were assessed at baseline in 1980 and updated several times during follow-up. We identified 603 incident hip fractures resulting from low or moderate trauma. Relative risks (RRs) from proportional hazards models were controlled for other dietary and nondietary factors. RESULTS: Women consuming > or = 12.5 microg vitamin D/d from food plus supplements had a 37% lower risk of hip fracture (RR = 0.63; 95% CI: 0.42, 0.94) than did women consuming < 3.5 microg/d. Total calcium intake was not associated with hip fracture risk (RR = 0.96; 95% CI: 0.68, 1.34 for > or = 1200 compared with < 600 mg/d). Milk consumption was also not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture (P for trend = 0.21). CONCLUSIONS: An adequate vitamin D intake is associated with a lower risk of osteoporotic hip fractures in postmenopausal women. Neither milk nor a high-calcium diet appears to reduce risk. Because women commonly consume less than the recommended intake of vitamin D, supplement use or dark fish consumption may be prudent. PMID: 12540414
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Enrico C - 22 Jun 2005 12:09 GMT > Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Feb;77(2):504-11. Related Articles, Links [...]
> dark fish consumption may be prudent. Such as swordfish, salmon, blue-fish, mackerel, or sardines, right? :)
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Juhana Harju - 22 Jun 2005 12:32 GMT :: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:55:27 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote in :: <news:3hsgalFil53cU1@individual.net> on sci.med,sci.med.nutrition : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: Such as swordfish, salmon, blue-fish, mackerel, or sardines, right? :: :) Yes, that is what they mean but it is almost impossible to get enough vitamin D from diet in the Northern latitudes (> 50 N). Supplements are needed in wintertime.
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 21:12 GMT >>CONCLUSIONS: These data do not support the hypothesis that higher consumption of milk or other food sources of calcium by adult women protects against hip or forearm fractures. <<
COMMENT: Well, actually, what is not supported is that higher amount of milk on dietary recall studies is associated with lower rates of hip fracture. Meta-analysis of many available such studies generally show the same thing. Several prospective studies of calcium supplements, however, do show a protective effect, which raises the question of whether or not the calcium source difference is the problem, or the dietary recall epidemology is the problem. I know of no prospective randomized studies on milk and fracture--- they would need to be too large and of course couldn't be blinded (though for fracture endpoint, probably blinding isn't a big issue). There are a couple of studies of calcium and bone density that are prospective, but they're funded by the milk lobby and use a proxy variable, so are open to criticism.
In general, epidemiologic studies are more useful for refuting a purported causal relation than for PROVING a purported causal relation. Even if there was a NEGATIVE epidemiologic correlation between milk drinking and fracture, all we could infer is that milk probably doesn't CONTRIBUTE to fracture in a big way. A null result gives much the same conclusion.
As I read it, the best evidence is that women are better advised to take calcium supplements for their calcium, and consider milk-drinking harmless recreation. As with chocolate cake.
SBH
Osteoporos Int. 2004 Oct 21; [Epub ahead of print]
A meta-analysis of milk intake and fracture risk: low utility for case finding.
Kanis JA, Johansson H, Oden A, De Laet C, Johnell O, Eisman JA, McCloskey E, Mellstrom D, Pols H, Reeve J, Silman A, Tenenhouse A.
WHO Collaborating Centre for Metabolic Bone Diseases, University of Sheffield Medical School, Beech Hill Road, S10 2RX, Sheffield, UK.
A low intake of calcium is widely considered to be a risk factor for future fracture. The aim of this study was to quantify this risk on an international basis and to explore the effect of age, gender and bone mineral density (BMD) on this risk. We studied 39,563 men and women (69% female) from six prospectively studied cohorts comprising EVOS/EPOS, CaMos, DOES, the Rotterdam study, the Sheffield study and a cohort from Gothenburg. Cohorts were followed for 152,000 person-years. The effect of calcium intake as judged by the intake of milk on the risk of any fracture, any osteoporotic fracture and hip fracture alone was examined using a Poisson model for each sex from each cohort. Covariates examined were age and BMD. The results of the different studies were merged by using the weighted beta-coefficients. A low intake of calcium (less than 1 glass of milk daily) was not associated with a significantly increased risk of any fracture, osteoporotic fracture or hip fracture. There was no difference in risk ratio between men and women. When both sexes were combined there was a small but non-significant increase in the risk of osteoporotic and of hip fracture. There was also a small increase in the risk of an osteoporotic fracture with age which was significant at the age of 80 years (RR=1.15; 95% CI=1.02-1.30) and above. The association was no longer significant after adjustment for BMD. No significant relationship was observed by age for low milk intake and hip fracture risk. We conclude that a self-reported low intake of milk is not associated with any marked increase in fracture risk and that the use of this risk indicator is of little or no value in case-finding strategies.
PMID: 15502959 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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J Bone Miner Res. 1997 Sep;12(9):1321-9.
Calcium for prevention of osteoporotic fractures in postmenopausal women.
Cumming RG, Nevitt MC.
Department of Public Health and Community Medicine, University of Sydney, Australia.
A systematic review of the literature was conducted to assess the effectiveness of calcium supplements and/or dietary calcium for the prevention of osteoporotic fractures in postmenopausal women. Studies were identified by conducting a Medline search using the text words "fracture" and "calcium" for the period 1966 to March 1997 and by reviewing articles known to the authors. Only studies with fracture outcomes were eligible. There were 14 studies of calcium supplements (including 4 randomized trials), 18 studies of dietary calcium and hip fracture (no randomized trials), and 5 studies of dietary calcium and other fracture sites (no randomized trials). The 4 randomized trials of calcium supplements (mean calcium dose: 1050 mg) found relative risk (RR) reductions between 25% and 70%. Meta-analytic techniques for dose-response data were used to investigate and pool the findings of 16 observational studies of dietary calcium and hip fracture. These hip fracture studies were not consistent and heterogeneity of study findings (p = 0.02) was not easily explained by subject characteristics or study design. Pooling study results gave an odds ratio (OR) of 0.96 (95% confidence interval, (CI) 0.93-0.99) per 300 mg/day increase in calcium intake (the equivalent of one glass of milk). This is likely to be an underestimate of calcium's true effect because of inaccurate measurement of dietary calcium in observational studies. This review supports the current clinical and public health policy of recommending increased calcium intake among older women for fracture prevention.
Publication Types: Meta-Analysis
PMID: 9286747 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 21:41 GMT >>There are a couple of studies of calcium and bone density that are prospective, but they're funded by the milk lobby and use a proxy variable, so are open to criticism. <<
I wrote "calcium" but meant to write that there are few studies of MILK SUPPLEMENTATION that are prospective. You can show prospectively that milk supplements increase bone density in women, but the studies have not been large enough to show a difference even in vertebral fracture, let alone hip fracture.
SBH
George Lagergren - 23 Jun 2005 03:50 GMT > As I read it, the best evidence is that women are better advised to > take calcium supplements for their calcium, and consider milk-drinking > harmless recreation. As with chocolate cake. Per the www.notmilk.com web site, cow's milk-drinking is NOT a harmless recreation.
David Wright - 23 Jun 2005 05:05 GMT >> As I read it, the best evidence is that women are better advised to >> take calcium supplements for their calcium, and consider milk-drinking >> harmless recreation. As with chocolate cake. > > Per the www.notmilk.com web site, cow's milk-drinking is NOT a >harmless recreation. That web site is crap, George, no matter how much you want it to be true.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Are you going to come quietly, or do I have to use earplugs?" -- The Goon Show
banmilk@hotmail.com - 23 Jun 2005 22:00 GMT > >> As I read it, the best evidence is that women are better advised to > >> take calcium supplements for their calcium, and consider milk-drinking > >> harmless recreation. As with chocolate cake. > > > > Per the www.notmilk.com web site, cow's milk-drinking is NOT a > >harmless recreation.
> That web site is crap, George, no matter how much you want it to be > true. Perhaps you or our esteemed Dr. Harris would care to debate cow milk science on live radio or tv with Robert Cohen?
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "Are you going to come quietly, or do I have to use earplugs?" > -- The Goon Show Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 22:51 GMT >>Perhaps you or our esteemed Dr. Harris would care to debate cow milk science on live radio or tv with Robert Cohen? <<
And have him speak a gallon of nonsense while I'm struggling to get in a pint of reason?
We have pretty good debating medium right here on the internet. If somebody says something, it's on the record and they can't claim they didn't say it. People can't make points without backup, without getting called on their sources. There's time for either side to read and evaluate new studies that the other hasn't seen. You can't have any decent fact-based debate without time for rebuttal and study of sources.
If Cohen wants to debate me right here, bring him on.
SBH
Pizza Girl. - 23 Jun 2005 23:50 GMT You're letting out too much rope here with those statements.
> >>Perhaps you or our esteemed Dr. Harris would care to debate cow milk > science on live radio or tv with Robert Cohen? << [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > SBH David Wright - 24 Jun 2005 03:29 GMT >> >> As I read it, the best evidence is that women are better advised to >> >> take calcium supplements for their calcium, and consider milk-drinking [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Perhaps you or our esteemed Dr. Harris would care to debate cow milk >science on live radio or tv with Robert Cohen? I'm all a-twitter -- do you suppose I can ask him why anyone should give a rat's a.s whether or not some bimbo actress has given up drinking milk? (When I looked at the site, this was prominently featured.)
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I believe The Battle of the Network Stars should be fought with guns." -- Steve Martin
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 21:16 GMT >>I have been told that when you evaluate the top vs the bottom quintile for milk consumption among women, the former had the highest rate of hip fractures, and the latter the lowest. True? <<
COMMENT:
I might add that prevention of high and forearm fracture is the hardest of the hard problems in osteoporosis prevention. Both these depend on loss of cortical bone, which is less susceptable to calcium supplement intervention loss than trabecular bone (ie, what's inside vertebrae), and which is what goes first and worse in classic type I homone-related osteoporosis. It make well be that milk drinking, like calcium, has a far bigger impact on widow's hump than hip fracture.
SBH
outrider - 22 Jun 2005 23:12 GMT Osteoporosis?
This whole osteoporosis thing is a load of hooey.
The standard they are measuring women against is a 30 year old woman.
Few women over 30 will meet that standard; neither will they at 50, and certainly not at 70. That does not mean they have a disease process.
Bone loss is a normal factor of aging!
True osteoporosis prevention begins with choosing your parents wisely, getting weight bearing exercise throughout your life and daily, eating a nutritious moderate and thoughtful diet (maybe avoiding carbonated beverages, for example), and asking lots of questions...
Not all of them in the same office where resides a smouldering prescripiton pad.
Zee
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 23:20 GMT >>Osteoporosis? This whole osteoporosis thing is a load of hooey. The standard they are measuring women against is a 30 year old woman. <<
No, no. Google "DEXA Z-score" and educate yourself. Then get back to us.
SBH
outrider - 22 Jun 2005 23:36 GMT > >>Osteoporosis? This whole osteoporosis thing is a load of hooey. > The standard they are measuring women against is a 30 year old woman. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > SBH Us? Who is this all-brain US?
Down boy.
Zee
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 23:45 GMT >>Us? Who is this all-brain US? << The readers of this newsgroup.
Twittering One - 22 Jun 2005 23:40 GMT Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 23:43 GMT >>Few women over 30 will meet that standard; neither will they at 50, and certainly not at 70. That does not mean they have a disease process. <<
COMMENT:
If I understand your point, it comes up against the question of whether or not to regard "normal" or "average" age-related changes as "diseases."
My answer is that if it breaks your hip and kills you, or even if it crushes your spine and gives you a hump, it's reasonable to think of it as a disease. Disease = "dis - ease". Something that screws up your life.
Of course, there are people who refuse to be labeled as having a "disease" no matter what. People 4 feet tall. People 5 feet tall and 400 lbs. People HIV positive. People whose bones are thin as tissue paper. Denial isn't just a long river in Egypt. And that's fine with me if people absolutely insist that they are healthier than I think they are. The ultimate judge of health is the natural course of things. If it breaks under normal stress, I submit that it wasn't healthy.
Is there some age beyond which *nobody* is healthy? Sure. That's the human life span is limited. If you refuse to see things that way, then YOU explain it.
SBH
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 22 Jun 2005 23:43 GMT >>Few women over 30 will meet that standard; neither will they at 50, and certainly not at 70. That does not mean they have a disease process. <<
COMMENT:
If I understand your point, it comes up against the question of whether or not to regard "normal" or "average" age-related changes as "diseases."
My answer is that if it breaks your hip and kills you, or even if it crushes your spine and gives you a hump, it's reasonable to think of it as a disease. Disease = "dis - ease". Something that screws up your life.
Of course, there are people who refuse to be labeled as having a "disease" no matter what. People 4 feet tall. People 5 feet tall and 400 lbs. People HIV positive. People whose bones are thin as tissue paper. Denial isn't just a long river in Egypt. And that's fine with me if people absolutely insist that they are healthier than I think they are. The ultimate judge of health is the natural course of things. If it breaks under normal stress, I submit that it wasn't healthy.
Is there some age beyond which *nobody* is healthy? Sure. That's why the human life span is limited. If you refuse to see things that way, then YOU explain it.
SBH
outrider - 23 Jun 2005 00:26 GMT > >>Few women over 30 will meet that standard; neither will they at 50, and > certainly not at 70. That does not mean they have a disease process. << [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > as a disease. Disease = "dis - ease". Something that screws up your > life. I was wrong about the 30 year old.
She's only 25.
"The World Health Organization has based definitions on the T-score, which is the number of standard deviations from the mean (average) value of a 25-year-old woman."
Zee--out getting some osteoporosis prevention
> Of course, there are people who refuse to be labeled as having a > "disease" no matter what. People 4 feet tall. People 5 feet tall and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > SBH Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 01:05 GMT It's around two standard deviations, depending on whose definitions you like. But it's a lot. The Z-score IS used to give you a look at how you're doing compared to average for your age, sex, and race. This is helpful. The T-score defines the disease because nature doesn't grade on a curve.
outrider - 23 Jun 2005 20:23 GMT Slight tack to port:
http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/archives/04-05/jun18.html
The role of calcium in builidng strong bones. Priest says calcium has been way overrated. Much more important is physical activity and Vit D.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 21:04 GMT The role of calcium in builidng strong bones. Priest says calcium has been way overrated. Much more important is physical activity and Vit D.
That's probably correct, and is even more correct for children and young adults than for older ones. A lot of the milk studies are confounded by the fact that the milk is usually UV irradiated and therefore supplemented with vitamin D.
Here's one for the pediatricians, a very large meta analysis. Result. Bonewise, milk per se does little good, but also no harm in kids. Both boosters and detractors of routine milk for kids as a way to build strong bones, are going to be unhappy. Doesn't it suck when practically EVERYBODY is wrong, establishment AND antiestablishment?
Pediatrics. 2005 Mar;115(3):736-43.
Comment in: Pediatrics. 2005 Mar;115(3):792-4.
Calcium, dairy products, and bone health in children and young adults: a reevaluation of the evidence.
Lanou AJ, Berkow SE, Barnard ND.
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, 5100 Wisconsin Ave NW, Suite 400, Washington, DC 20016, USA. alanou@pcrm.org
OBJECTIVE: Numerous nutrition policy statements recommend the consumption of 800 to 1500 mg of calcium largely from dairy products for osteoporosis prevention; however, the findings of epidemiologic and prospective studies have raised questions about the efficacy of the use of dairy products for the promotion of bone health. The objective of this study was to review existing literature on the effects of dairy products and total dietary calcium on bone integrity in children and young adults to assess whether evidence supports (1) current recommended calcium intake levels and (2) the suggestion that dairy products are better for promoting bone integrity than other calcium-containing food sources or supplements. METHODS: A Medline (National Library of Medicine, Bethesda, MD) search was conducted for studies published on the relationship between milk, dairy products, or calcium intake and bone mineralization or fracture risk in children and young adults (1-25 years). This search yielded 58 studies: 22 cross-sectional studies; 13 retrospective studies; 10 longitudinal prospective studies; and 13 randomized, controlled trials. RESULTS: Eleven of the studies did not control for weight, pubertal status, and exercise and were excluded. Ten studies were randomized, controlled trials of supplemental calcium, 9 of which showed modest positive benefits on bone mineralization in children and adolescents. Of the remaining 37 studies of dairy or unsupplemented dietary calcium intake, 27 studies found no relationship between dairy or dietary calcium intake and measures of bone health. In the remaining 9 reports, the effects on bone health are small and 3 were confounded by vitamin D intake from milk fortified with vitamin D. Therefore, in clinical, longitudinal, retrospective, and cross-sectional studies, neither increased consumption of dairy products, specifically, nor total dietary calcium consumption has shown even a modestly consistent benefit for child or young adult bone health. CONCLUSION: Scant evidence supports nutrition guidelines focused specifically on increasing milk or other dairy product intake for promoting child and adolescent bone mineralization.
Publication Types: Review
PMID: 15741380 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The case for milk and calcium as a way to prevent bone loss in type I osteoporosis is a bit stronger, but confounded with vitamin D, and (as noted) is mainly based on bone calcium measurements and hasn't been big enough or long enough to directly show a lower major fracture rate at hip or arm.
Here's a milk study, but uncontrolled for vitamin D. All you can say is it provides evidence that milk per se doesn't do harm.
Osteoporos Int. 2003 Oct;14(10):828-34. Epub 2003 Aug 12.
The effect of milk supplementation on bone mineral density in postmenopausal Chinese women in Malaysia.
Chee WS, Suriah AR, Chan SP, Zaitun Y, Chan YM.
Department of Nutrition & Dietetics, Faculty of Allied Health Sciences, National University of Malaysia, Jalan Raja Muda Abdul Aziz, 50300 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. winnie@medic.ukm.my
Dietary studies often report low calcium intake amongst post-menopausal Malaysian women and calcium deficiency has been implicated as part of the etiology of age-related bone loss leading to osteoporosis. Therefore, the objective of this study was to examine the effectiveness of high calcium skimmed milk (Anlene Gold, New Zealand Milk, Wellington, New Zealand) to reduce bone loss in Chinese postmenopausal women. Two hundred subjects aged 55-65 years and who were more than 5 years postmenopausal were randomized to a milk group and control group. The milk group consumed 50 g of high calcium skimmed milk powder daily, which contained 1200 mg calcium (taken as two glasses of milk a day). The control group continued with their usual diet. Using repeated measures ANCOVA, the milk supplement was found to significantly reduce the percentage of bone loss at the total body compared to the control group at 24 months (control -1.04%, milk -0.13%; P<0.001). At the lumbar spine, the percentage of bone loss in the control group was significantly higher (-0.90%) when compared to the milk (-0.13%) supplemented group at 24 months (P<0.05). Similarly, milk supplementation reduced the percentage of bone loss at the femoral neck (control -1.21%, milk 0.51%) (P<0.01) and total hip (control -2.17%, milk -0.50%) (P<0.01). The supplemented group did not experience any significant weight gain over the 24 months. The serum 25-hydroxy vitamin D level improved significantly (P<0.01) from 69.1 +/- 16.1 nmol/l at baseline to 86.4 +/- 22.0 nmol/l at 24 months in the milk group. In conclusion, ingestion of high calcium skimmed milk was effective in reducing the rate of bone loss at clinically important lumbar spine and hip sites in postmenopausal Chinese women in Malaysia. Supplementing with milk had additional benefits of improving the serum 25-hydroxy vitamin D status of the subjects.
Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 12915959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Here's much the same kind of study in New England, showing much the same kind of thing. Note that again, milk is better than placebo, and just about as good as a calcium supplement. However, again both groups got vitamin D and this may just as well explain the effect.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1998 Nov;83(11):3817-25.
Calcium supplementation prevents seasonal bone loss and changes in biochemical markers of bone turnover in elderly New England women: a randomized placebo-controlled trial.
Storm D, Eslin R, Porter ES, Musgrave K, Vereault D, Patton C, Kessenich C, Mohan S, Chen T, Holick MF, Rosen CJ.
St. Joseph Hospital, Bangor, Maine 04401, USA.
Elderly women are at increased risk for bone loss and fractures. In previous cross-sectional and longitudinal studies of women residing in northern latitudes, bone loss was most pronounced during winter months and in those consuming less than 1 g calcium per day. In this study we sought to test the hypothesis that calcium supplementation by either calcium carbonate or dietary means would prevent seasonal bone loss and preserve bone mass. Sixty older postmenopausal women without osteoporosis were randomized to one of three treatment arms: Dietary milk supplementation (D-4 glasses of milk/day), Calcium carbonate (CaCO3-1000 mg/day in two divided doses), or placebo (P). After 2 yr, placebo-treated women consumed a mean of 683 mg/day of calcium and lost 3.0% of their greater trochanteric (GT) bone mineral density (BMD) (P < 0.03 vs. baseline); Dietary supplemented women averaged a calcium intake of 1028 mg/day and sustained minimal loss from the GT (-1.5%; P = 0.30), whereas CaCO3-treated women (total Ca intake, 1633 mg/day) suffered no bone loss from the GT and showed a significant increase in spinal and femoral neck BMD (P < 0.05). Femoral bone loss occurred exclusively during the two winters of the study (i.e. total loss, -3.2%; P < 0.02 in placebo-treated women) with virtually no change in GT BMD during summer. Serum 25-OH vitamin D declined by more than 20% (P < 0.001) in all groups during the winter months but returned to baseline in summer; PTH levels rose approximately 20% (P < 0.001) during winter but did not return to baseline during the summers. Urine N-telopeptide and osteocalcin levels increased significantly but only in the P-treated women and only during winter. Serum insulin growth factor binding protein 4, an inhibitory insulin growth factor binding protein, rose 15% (P < 0.03) from summer to winter, but this increase was significant only in those women consuming <1000 mg/day of calcium. By multivariate analysis, total calcium intake was the strongest predictor of bone loss from the hip. Urinary N-telopeptide also closely correlated with GT BMD but only during winter (P = 0.003). We conclude that calcium supplementation prevents bone loss in elderly women by suppressing bone turnover during the winter when serum 25-OH vitamin D declines and serum PTH increases. The precise amount of calcium necessary to preserve BMD in elderly women requires further studies, although in this study, at least 1000 mg/day of supplemental calcium was adequate prophylaxis against femoral bone loss.
Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 9814452 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
And here's one more prospective study, again with the vitamin D problem.
J Bone Miner Res. 1995 Jul;10(7):1068-75.
The effects of calcium supplementation (milk powder or tablets) and exercise on bone density in postmenopausal women.
Prince R, Devine A, Dick I, Criddle A, Kerr D, Kent N, Price R, Randell A.
Department of Medicine, University of Western Australia, Nedlands.
The etiology of age-related bone loss is unclear but both lack of exercise and dietary calcium deficiency have been implicated in its causation. This 2-year randomized placebo-controlled study was designed to examine the effects of increased dietary calcium and exercise in 168 women who were more than 10 years postmenopausal. The subjects were randomized into one of 4 groups: placebo, milk powder containing 1 g of calcium, calcium tablets 1 g/night, and calcium tablets 1 g/night and an exercise regimen. The exercise group aimed to undertake 4 h of extra weight-bearing exercise per week and were undertaking 10% more activity than other groups at 2 years. Bone mineral density at the lumbar spine, three hip sites, and two sites of the tibia close to the ankle joint were measured at 6 month intervals. Dietary intake was evaluated by a weighed food record, exercise was evaluated by an exercise diary, and blood and urine samples were obtained to examine effects on calcium homeostasis. Individual data points were compared using repeated measures ANOVA and least squares regression. Calcium supplementation by either the calcium tablets or the milk powder resulted in cessation of bone loss at the intertrochanteric hip site (placebo, calcium tablets, calcium and exercise, milk powder -0.81, +0.17, +0.23, and +0.07% per year, respectively; p < 0.05 for all supplementation groups compared with placebo) with similar results at the trochanteric hip site. The calcium and exercise group had less bone loss at the femoral neck site when compared with calcium supplementation alone (placebo, calcium tablets, calcium and exercise, milk powder -0.67, -0.18, +0.28, and -0.18% per year, respectively; p < 0.05 for calcium and exercise compared with calcium alone). There was a significant reduction in the rate of bone loss at the ultradistal site of the tibia (placebo, calcium tablets, calcium and exercise, milk powder -2.5, -1.6, -1.0, and -1.5% per year, respectively; p < 0.05 for all supplementation groups compared with placebo). There was no significant bone loss at the spine site in any group.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 7484282 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Final comment:
The reason it's so hard to do milk studies WITHOUT the vitamin D is that it's almost impossible to find unfortified milk these days, unless you get it raw and unprocessed. That's no excuse for not doing a vitamin D only control in these things, though.
Still, studies like this I think are adequate to put the screws to the nuts who say processed milk (with its vitamin D) is actually bad for women with osteoporosis. Clearly, it is not. Clearly, it's better than water. Sorry, alternative weenies.
SBH
Pizza Girl. - 23 Jun 2005 23:52 GMT No mention of the mass vomitting the women did four times per day.
> The role of calcium in builidng strong bones. Priest says calcium has > been way overrated. Much more important is physical [quoted text clipped - 339 lines] > > SBH David Wright - 24 Jun 2005 03:55 GMT >No mention of the mass vomitting the women did four times per day. Now, now, PG, there is no reason to assume all those women were reading your ghastly postings.
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>> The role of calcium in builidng strong bones. Priest says calcium has >> been way overrated. Much more important is physical [quoted text clipped - 339 lines] >> >> SBH Robert - 23 Jun 2005 00:58 GMT > Osteoporosis? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bone loss is a normal factor of aging! More people as they age come down with cancer. Is this a normal factor of aging? Whether normal or abnormal process the end result is disease and the intervention is directed against preventing normal factors of aging or abnormal factors of aging. Disease is disease and falling down and breaking bones with ease is a disease. Call it whatever you want. Just prevent it. Calling it normal and not doing anything is not preventing it.
George Lagergren - 23 Jun 2005 03:47 GMT > More people as they age come down with cancer. Is this a normal factor of > aging? As people age, they make less digestive enzymes.
Jim Chinnis - 23 Jun 2005 01:26 GMT "outrider" <outrider@despammed.com> wrote in part:
>I have been told that when you evaluate the top vs the bottom quintile >for milk consumption among women, the former had the highest rate of >hip fractures, and the latter the lowest. True? Buncha nonsense. Maybe women who remember drinking more milk are more active and more likely to break bones. Who the heck knows?
You need a randomized study. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Pizza Girl. - 23 Jun 2005 03:40 GMT This stands to reason because of milks great calcium - magnesium imbalance. The bones turn to chalk and the digestive system gets irritated to the point of uselessness and malnutition results.
> I have been told that when you evaluate the top vs the bottom quintile > for milk consumption among women, the former had the highest rate of [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > In conclusion, these results do not support a relation between calcium > intake and the incidence of forearm or hip fractures in men. Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 19:27 GMT >>This stands to reason because of milks great calcium - magnesium imbalance. The bones turn to chalk and the digestive system gets irritated to the point of uselessness and malnutition results. <<
COMMENT:
Did you read the posted studies?
Anyway, Pizza Girl, you might be interested in the fact that human milk has the same calcium/magesium ratio as cow's milk: about 10 to 1. If the baby's bones don't turn to chalk, it's rather unlikely that the adult's do.
SBH
noz - 27 Jun 2005 10:41 GMT The calcium /magnesium balance is the problem. Too much dairy results in decreased magnesium. Osteoporosis is simply 'chalky' bones.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 27 Jun 2005 18:10 GMT >>The calcium /magnesium balance is the problem. Too much dairy results in decreased magnesium. Osteoporosis is simply 'chalky' bones.<<
COMMENT:
Ignorant sod. In osteroporosis the bone gets thinner and disappears. That's left has composition which is very close to normal for bone. There's nothing chalky about it.
SBH
Pizza Girl. - 28 Jun 2005 00:23 GMT If the bones had good magnesium content they would break often as the resilence would prevent it.
> >>The calcium /magnesium balance is the problem. Too much dairy results > in decreased magnesium. Osteoporosis is simply 'chalky' bones.<< [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > SBH
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